Could have Qui-Jon Ginn kept............

[op6]

...Anakin from going to the darkside?

I think yes. Mainly because Obi-Wan Kenobi was too inexperienced as a mentor to really guide Anankin to becoming a Jedi; I thought Qui-Jon Jinn could have kept Anakin in line.

[Modred]

I think he could not. SPOILER ALERT (highlight text to read):

The sole reason that Anakin betrays Mace Windu is because the death of Palpatine will destroy his chances to save Padme. Ironically, it is only Anakin's move to the dark side which causes Padme's death. The force which causes Anakin to become Vader is his internal unrest at a premonition that most likely would not have come true had he not acted. The lessons of Kenobi and Yoda both warned Anakin of his emotions, but he chose to follow another path.

In light of this, I see no way that Qui-Gon Jinn's influence would have affected Anakin any more than Obi Wan Kenobi's.

[Mindslaver]

word.
What?


Modred is correct - the point that George Lucas was trying to home in on was that humans make choices on their own, and nothing can influence a strong-willed decision. It is unlikely that Anakin would have become a Sith had Palpatine not existed, but given that Palpatine exists, Qui-Gon Jinn's mere preachings would not have stopped Anakin from joining the dark side. Anakin feared that he would lose his chance of saving Padme if Palpatine died, and this fear is what turned him to the darkness.

I'm confused - did Anakin really kill Padme? I know he semi-constricted her, but that's just confusing...I thought she was still alive, but died after giving birth or something?

[Protoss_Honor]

I beleive she died after giving birth too Luke and Leia. I thought that was what happened anyway.

[Windwalker]

I'm confused - did Anakin really kill Padme? I know he semi-constricted her, but that's just confusing...I thought she was still alive, but died after giving birth or something?

SPOILER:
Anakin did kill her in a way, but the constriction on her did not kill her. If you payed attetion to what that damn annoying baby giving droid said you would know she was perfectly healthy but didn't have the will to live. Thus therefore meet her timely demised and left us with the corny Darth Vader repeating over and over NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[siuloongbao]

I meant to agree with what you guys have said, it was Annakin's choice to turn to the Dark side because he feared he would lose his wife if he did not gain the ability to keep her alive, Qui Gon would not have been able to do any better then Obi Wan had.

But then again, if Windu had allowed Annakin to head the assault force going to take Grievous, he wouldn't be able to be there to stop Windu when he was fighting the Emperor.

[Demon_Child]

Qui-Gon would not have done anything to keep Anakin from turning to the dark side. Though even if Qui-Gon had not fallen to the hands of Darth Maul, (in Ep. 1) then he would have either fallen to the hands of his former master, Count Dooku or he would have sided with Dooku. (if any of you actually payed attention to Ep. 2 Qui-Gon has been known to do things that aren't always permittable by the Jedi Council) So in either case, Obi-Wan would have been stuck with Anakin anyway.

Edit: Besides anything other than Anakin turning torwards the dark side in Ep. 3 would have made even more clashes in the storyline for Ep. 4.

[Kingscrab]

I'm confused - did Anakin really kill Padme? I know he semi-constricted her, but that's just confusing...I thought she was still alive, but died after giving birth or something?
No, he didn't actually kill her directly. The emporer lied to Vader.

He (Emporer) knew that saving Padme was the only reason why Annakin justified all his actions and crossed over to the dark side. He knew it would tear Annakin apart and twist him even further if he heard that HE had "killed" her with his own hands.

Granted, Padme losing the will to live was a direct result of Annakin's actions... So indirectly, yeah he was a main factor in her death, but i don't think that's what the Emporer was talking about.

[Mtank]

Actually, i doubt Qui gon would have joined Dooku. He did say that he wanted to ally in order to defeat the sith, but then he was the sith. im sure Qui Gon would have had enough wisdom and experience to know that he should say "no".

[Ecthelion]

Qui-Gon would have been as powerless to stop Anakin as Obi-Wan was. Anakin turned to the Dark Side to save Padme, and since he loved her so much, nothing would have swayed his decision. Ironic that it was his actions that lead to her death.

Question: The part at the end with Obi-Wan being able to commune with Qui-Gon (as told by Yoda) to learn the secret of immortality, did Qui-Gon come back or is Obi-Wan talking to his Force essence or what? I was confused on that.

[Mtank]

Qui-Gon would have been as powerless to stop Anakin as Obi-Wan was. Anakin turned to the Dark Side to save Padme, and since he loved her so much, nothing would have swayed his decision. Ironic that it was his actions that lead to her death.

Question: The part at the end with Obi-Wan being able to commune with Qui-Gon (as told by Yoda) to learn the secret of immortality, did Qui-Gon come back or is Obi-Wan talking to his Force essence or what? I was confused on that.

yes, i think yoda was referring to his force essence. Thats probably how Obi wan later learned the same thing.

[Kingscrab]

Qui-Gon would have been as powerless to stop Anakin as Obi-Wan was. Anakin turned to the Dark Side to save Padme, and since he loved her so much, nothing would have swayed his decision. Ironic that it was his actions that lead to her death.

Question: The part at the end with Obi-Wan being able to commune with Qui-Gon (as told by Yoda) to learn the secret of immortality, did Qui-Gon come back or is Obi-Wan talking to his Force essence or what? I was confused on that.
Yeah, i think it was Lucas' way of trying to explain the whole
Jedi-ghost-comebackfromthedead-vision-thingee...

[Aquarian]

Qui-Gon would have killed Palpatine and has a stronger influence to Anakin

[ice]

anaki wouldnt listen any more to him, he was not under his control any more!
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[Modred]

Qui-Gon would have killed Palpatine and has a stronger influence to Anakin
And that stops Anakin how? Palpatine just provided the final shove, Anakin was on his way to the Dark Side anyway. It could be argued that Qui-Gon's sometimes unorthodox methods would have given Anakin justification for going against the Jedi Council in certain situations. Thus Anakin is encouraged to go to the Dark Side by Qui-Gon's influence.

Also...are there not enough current threads for you to post in? =P

[Aquarian]

What the hell do you mean?It's only a month old!

[Repeat]

Well if you wanna really get your panties in a wod then how did Vader become a ghost in the end of Return of the Jedi? If it took Yoda and Obi-Wan years of training to commute and eventually become ghosts, how did Vader do it in 20 seconds of being on the Jedi side? I guess the only thing i can think of is when Yoda says (this may be in comic or movie cant remember) the power to communicate with the dead can only be achieved through compassion not greed. And at the end of Jedi, Vader was showing his good side. But still didnt it require training?