Starwars III (Spoiler Alert!) [Archive]

Mtank

05-19-2005, 9:34 PM

He didn't practicaly beat Sidious, he reversed the lightning with his lightsaber. Even the most simple of Jedi could have done that.

but he did manage to defend himself against the emperor, wheras the other jedi couldnt.

and im pretty sure the emperor's lightning would have melted just about any other jedi even with the lightsabre. Yes, Obi wan did defend himself neatly against dooku's lightning in ep 2, but dooku was not nearly as strong as the emperor.

but i think yoda would have defeated the emperor based on his strength, but since they'd already made ep 4, 5 and 6, they were bound by that to ensure that neither anakin, nor obi wan, nor the emperor, nor yoda died.

Joszer

05-19-2005, 9:44 PM

hmm yeah that's true, but in episode II didn't ObiWon state to Anakin "As powerful as Mace Windu and as Wise as Master Yoda" So by that did he mean he was the most powerful of the Jedis?

kongurous

05-19-2005, 9:49 PM

hmm yeah that's true, but in episode II didn't ObiWon state to Anakin "As powerful as Mace Windu and as Wise as Master Yoda" So by that did he mean he was the most powerful of the Jedis?

By all rights, Anakin is easily the strongest Jedi, light or dark, to live this side of the Rishi Maze. However, when Obi-Wan deformed Anakin became, from twice as powerful as Palpatine, to about 80% of Palpatine's power. And Jedi is spelled Jedi, plural or singular.

GrassDragon

05-19-2005, 10:10 PM

Hey guys I just seen the movie and i was like OMG!!! SOO AWESOME!!! but i have a little question. Would Mace Windu (Samuel L Jackson) be considered the strongest jedi in the series because he practically defeated Lord Sidious?? What do you guys think?
Uhh, Yoda could stop the lightning with only his hands, no lightsaber needed. Though Mace Windu is very strong, I think Yoda is still stronger.

And he did get a fight towards the end of the movie.

Toucan

05-20-2005, 8:31 AM

Im not sure if Windu would have defeated the emperor, he didnt seem really scared, it was like he was toying with Windu, (it was the first time he ever saw how strong he was as well, he was freaking)
He wanted Anikin to do the deed I think, it was a step for him.

Edit: PS I think people that have seen the movie should have a thread to talk in as well.

Mtank

05-20-2005, 11:31 AM

By all rights, Anakin is easily the strongest Jedi, light or dark, to live this side of the Rishi Maze. However, when Obi-Wan deformed Anakin became, from twice as powerful as Palpatine, to about 80% of Palpatine's power. And Jedi is spelled Jedi, plural or singular.

how could anakin be the most powerful? Obi wan defeated him, and Mace and Yoda were definitely more powerful than Obi.

and i suppose anakin did lose a large part of his mobility after the incident...but im sure he could have defeated the emperor if he had any will left.

Joszer

05-20-2005, 3:08 PM

kongurous

05-20-2005, 4:31 PM

how could anakin be the most powerful? Obi wan defeated him, and Mace and Yoda were definitely more powerful than Obi.

and i suppose anakin did lose a large part of his mobility after the incident...but im sure he could have defeated the emperor if he had any will left.

Anakin lost because he was arrogant and clouded and didn't keep his guard up. Obi-Wan exploited that weakness, and lopped off his extremities.

Hmm yeah that is true, but it seemed like Mace had the upper hand when he fought the Chancellor. I think if Anakin didn't interfer, Mace would of killed him, thus being the only one able to defeat Lord Sidious. Im not sure though it can be debated many ways.p

Mace had the upper hand, because he reflected the lightning back at Palpatine.

Oh yeah this is kinda off topic but is God of War a good game? I wondered when seen Mtank's profile

Yes, God of War is a good game. It's one of the best game, on any system, that I have played.

GrassDragon

05-20-2005, 6:57 PM

Hmm yeah that is true, but it seemed like Mace had the upper hand when he fought the Chancellor. I think if Anakin didn't interfer, Mace would of killed him, thus being the only one able to defeat Lord Sidious. Im not sure though it can be debated many ways. Anyone able to e-mail George Lucas and ask him lol?
I don't think so. After Anakin lopped of his hand, suddenly Palpatine had much more energy, he was even screaming with glee as he shocked the crap out of Windu. I think it was just an act to get Anakin to do some damage to Windu so he would turn to the dark side.

And I vote a mod puts "(spoilers)" in the thread title here so people don't step in and find out stuff they don't want to know.

Toucan

05-20-2005, 7:06 PM

I think this movie demonstrated the power of Palpatine, he didnt get to be emperor by being weak, even in the end it took the will of 2 skywalkers to kill him.
He had the entire senet under his power, they screamed with glee as he said im becoming emperor.
I thought Palpatine, planned much of this from years before.

Sikawtic

05-21-2005, 11:06 PM

Palpatine was a genius, if evil he be. I knew from episode I that he was behind the war (well... who didn't?)... I saw the movie tonight, brilliant! Awesome movie, Georgy has redeemed himself.

"What do we do Anakin?"

*Anakin draws his light saber

--

Michael Jackson must be pissed <_<

Ender

05-22-2005, 8:33 AM

Hey, everyone, let's not forget that Anakin is MUCH younger than Mace Windu, and certainly Master Yoda. Less experience, less training...same for Obi-Wan. Mace, Yoda, and Obi are all very strong Jedi already, and plus their superior training and stuff...yeah, Anakin would lose. Even with that said, if you actually paid ATTENTION to the movie, the reason Anakin lost to Obi-Wan was because Obi-Wan had the high, which made it so much easier for him to slice Anakin as he tried that stupid-ass jump move. Moron.

Joszer

05-22-2005, 11:16 PM

Haha yeah true (power + wisdom = uber jedi skillz) (power + stupid brain = no skillz)
^---Obi ^----Anakin

Ragnarox

05-22-2005, 11:48 PM

Well, no matter what anybody says about Mace Windu that makes him the best. One thing over all makes him the best Jedi....

He had a purple lightsaber...nough said. :)

DragonPaladin

05-23-2005, 12:01 AM

Ahh...yes, the royale purple. Enough to cover your enemies into fear, or hysterical fits of laughter.

Ragnarox

05-23-2005, 12:06 AM

Enough to cover your enemies into fear, or hysterical fits of laughter.

DO NOT INSULT THE PURPLE SABER!

*Ragnarox whips out a purple lightsaber and chases DP around*

WarBrood

05-23-2005, 12:24 AM

Ok to stop all the confusion I am going to give you all the official list of most powerfull users of the force

Jedi
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Yoda
3. Aenon Jurtis (Ancient Jedi Master)
4. Obi-Wan Kenobi
5. Kaja Sinis (The Very First Jedi and Founder of the Jedi Order)
6. Mace Windu
7. Ben Skywalker (Son of Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade)
8. Plo Koon
9. Anakin Skywalker
10. Ce Ce Denowai (Most Powerful Female Jedi of All Time)
11. Kyle Katarn
12. Ki Adi Mundi
13. Princess Leia Organa Solo
14. Mara Jade Skywalker
15. Kit Fisto
16. Qui-Gon Jinn
17. Shintor Beerus (Ancient Jedi Master)
18. Yendar Platis (Ancient six-armed Jedi Master)
19. Bontu Sitmus (Whill Jedi Master Who Taught Yoda)
20. Anakin Solo (Son of Han Solo and Princess Leia)

Sith lords
1. Darth Sidious with Kyber Crystal
2. Darth Vader
3. Darth Bane
4. Darth Plagueis
5. Darth Tyranus
6. Darth Rage
7. Darth Maul
8. Darth Scarz
9. Darth Revan
10. Darth Imperius
11. Darth Ghore
12. Darth Vak
13. Darth Slane
14. Darth Vicrone
15. Darth Malak
16. Exar Kun
17. Darth Xio Jade (Best Female Sith of All Time)
18. Darth Seer
19. Darth Thrax
20. Darth Secretus

Oh and one more thing i found interesting. The Midichlorian Counts
Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader = 27,700
Darth Sidious/Palpatine (with Kyber Crystal) = 20,500
Yoda = 17,700
Luke Skywalker = 14,500
Leia Organa Solo = 14,500
Aenon Jurtis (Most powerful Jedi Master prior to Yoda) = 14,200
Shintor Beerus (ancient Jedi Master) = 13,900
Ce Ce Denowai (the most powerful female Jedi) = 13,700
Ben (Jhon) Skywalker = 13,700
Anakin Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 13,700
Darth Plagueis (Darth Sidious' master) = 13,600
Count Dooku/Tyranus = 13,500
Obi-Wan Kenobi = 13,400
Kaja Sinis (the first Jedi) = 13,250
Kyle Katarn = 12,200
Mace Windu = 12,000
Darth Maul = 12,000
General Grievous (New Episode 3 Villain) = 11,900
Kit Fisto = 11,800
Exar Kun (Dark Lord of the Sith during the Sith War) = 11,700
Shindor = 11,500 (Dark Jedi from Episode 7)
Yaddle = 11,300
Xanatos' (Qui-Gon Jinn's former apprentice) = 11,300
Darth Seer (Founder of the modern Sith Order) = 11,200
Plo Koon = 11,100
Mara Jade = 11,000
Darth Malak (Knights of the Old Republic video game) = 10,800
Jedi Master Corran Horn (from the New Jedi Order series of Star Wars novels) = 10,700
Ki Adi Mundu = 10,600
Darth Bane = 10,500
Nebar Foxis (Jedi Knight played by SuperShadow in Episode 3) = 10,400
Joruus C'baoth = 10,350
Darth Imperius = 10,300
Shaak Ti = 10,300
Tahari Vehlia (New Jedi Order novels) = 10,300
Echuu-Shen Jon = 10,200
Darth Revan = 10,200 (Knights of the Old Republic video game)
Jedi Master Kam Solusar (New Jedi Order novels) = 10,100
Aalya Secura = 10,000
Qui-Gon Jinn = 10,000
Average Jedi = 10,000
Assajj Ventress = 9,600
Naga Sadow (Dark Lord of the Sith that fled to Yavin 4)= 9,400
Jedi Master Adeus Hust = 9,300
Jacen Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
Jaina Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
Jedi Master Cihgal (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
Darth Rage (Sidious' apprentice after Darth Maul) = 9,000
Jedi Master Tionne Solusar (New Jedi Order novels) = 8,500
Dezar Looger (Dagobah Dark Jedi) = 8,400
Xio Jade = 7,400
Chewbacca = 7,200
Tylus Liv = 7,100
Aurra Sing = 7,000
Need To be Considered for Training as a Jedi = 7,000
Padme Amidala = 4,700
Danni Quee (New Jedi Order Jedi Scientist)= 4,500
Beru Lars = 3,700
Shmi = 3,300
Lando Calrissian = 3,300
Boba Fett= 1,500
Han Solo = 1,500
Jango Fett = 1,500
Owen Lars = 1,500

Toucan

05-23-2005, 11:12 AM

Interisting details.

Where did they come from?

GrassDragon

05-23-2005, 12:23 PM

A quick google tells us it came from here:

http://www.supershadow.com/

Kingscrab

05-23-2005, 12:32 PM

I don't think so. After Anakin lopped of his hand, suddenly Palpatine had much more energy, he was even screaming with glee as he shocked the crap out of Windu. I think it was just an act to get Anakin to do some damage to Windu so he would turn to the dark side.

I agree. It was cleary a ploy.

WarBrood

05-23-2005, 4:06 PM

A quick google tells us it came from here:

http://www.supershadow.com/
google never fails

Ecthelion

05-24-2005, 8:33 AM

I think Anakin was the strongest technically in Force knowledge and lightsaber skill, but I think Yoda and Obi-Wan and Windu were the strongest due to more experience and wisdom. And they didn't have the arrogance that lead to Anakin downfall.

And yes, the purple lightsaber rocks! But how come he was the only one with a special colored lightsaber? What makes him so special?

hammocksleeper

05-24-2005, 8:50 AM

And yes, the purple lightsaber rocks! But how come he was the only one with a special colored lightsaber? What makes him so special?

Because he's blacktastic, duh. Green is a special color too, right?

Demon_Child

05-24-2005, 9:01 AM

I am still partial to Darth Maul's double-sided lightsaber.

GrassDragon

05-24-2005, 10:09 AM

Because he's blacktastic, duh. Green is a special color too, right?
When the Jedi are fighting, everyone has a green or blue lightsaber. Only Windu has purple. Yoda had a midget one though, and Darth Maul had the double (agreed DC, way cool).

hammocksleeper

05-24-2005, 10:43 AM

When the Jedi are fighting, everyone has a green or blue lightsaber. Only Windu has purple. Yoda had a midget one though, and Darth Maul had the double (agreed DC, way cool).

Yeah but I'm primarily thinking of the original trilogy, all the good guys have blue lightsabers except Luke, who has the green one Ben gave him, but once it gets broken and Luke makes his own, what color is it? I forget. Also I might be wrong about what I'm saying here, if I am let me know.

Nuts

05-24-2005, 12:46 PM

Ok to stop all the confusion I am going to give you all the official list of most powerfull users of the force

You mean the totally fabricated list? Your supposed "official" lists appear nowhere but other forums copying from Supershadow. Supershadow is either the largest S/W joke on the net, or the most dellusional person this side of the Mississippi. Either way, any information found on his website is to be taken with a massive grain of salt.

Nebar Foxis (Jedi Knight played by SuperShadow in Episode 3) = 10,400
One word: Bullshit

Kingscrab

05-24-2005, 3:02 PM

You'd think that Luke's first light saber (in Star Wars) would be the same color as Annakin/Vader's light saber in the final battle near the lava. Doesn't ObiWan, pick up Vader's light saber at the end of the lava battle?

And... On Tattooine, Obi Wan tells Luke "This was your father's light saber"? hmmm... :)

Nuts

05-24-2005, 3:10 PM

Anakin had a blue saber in the Lava pits, as did Obi Wan.

Luke had a blue saber, presumably the same one as his father, in episode IV.

http://mobz.org/starwars/image,878

Wick3d

05-24-2005, 6:03 PM

Protoss_Honor

05-24-2005, 6:11 PM

For that rather large lise - Obi-Wan is not as powerful as windu.

And I'm fairly sure I once heard it said that Windu is more powerful than Yoda, but yoda has a greater command of the force, hence why he was able to stop force lightning with his hands and not a saber as Windu required. Yoda is the only one strong enough in the force to stop force lightning with his hands everyone else has to use lightsabers.

Ecthelion

05-24-2005, 6:23 PM

They should have made an orange lightsaber. That would have been awesome :P . A black-on-the-outside-white-on-the-inside lightsaber would also look neat.

kongurous

05-24-2005, 6:26 PM

Yeah but I'm primarily thinking of the original trilogy, all the good guys have blue lightsabers except Luke, who has the green one Ben gave him, but once it gets broken and Luke makes his own, what color is it? I forget. Also I might be wrong about what I'm saying here, if I am let me know.

Luke had a blue lightsabre in the beginning, the same one as Anakin. However, when Luke's hand was cut off, he dropped his father's sabre and built a green one.

Ecthelion

05-24-2005, 6:28 PM

Where did General Grievous (a) get all of his lightsabers and (b) learn to fight with them? Was it Count Dooku?

kongurous

05-24-2005, 6:30 PM

Where did General Grievous (a) get all of his lightsabers and (b) learn to fight with them? Was it Count Dooku?

General Grievous killed Jedi and collected their lightsabres as trophies, and Dooku taught him how. And anyone else notice Grievous was Russian?

Ecthelion

05-24-2005, 6:34 PM

General Grievous killed Jedi and collected their lightsabres as trophies, and Dooku taught him how. And anyone else notice Grievous was Russian?
Ya, an 90% droid, 10% alien that leads the Seperatist Army somehow has an very nice Russian accent. :concern:

I thought the General Grievous fight scene was kinda lame (2nd one). For how menacing and diabolitcal he was, he was a sissy when Obi-Wan fought him. He was dead in like four seconds. Giant iguana was cool though :) .

WarBrood

05-24-2005, 6:40 PM

Protoss_Honor

05-24-2005, 6:44 PM

Nuts

05-24-2005, 6:50 PM

There was a yellow light saber created but it was destroyed and the blueprints along with it becase it was saw as a threat by the jedi council and they did not want the dark side getting their hands on it because it had a special feature...it cold cut through other lightsabers

Really? Where did you read this? (Edit: PH beat me to it, but the question remains.)

Oh yes, Supershadow.com Please stop using this site as a reference for your Star Wars history. It's really annoying.

Ecthelion

05-24-2005, 7:00 PM

Really? Where did you read this? (Edit: PH beat me to it, but the question remains.)

Oh yes, Supershadow.com Please stop using this site as a reference for your Star Wars history. It's really annoying.
Did you look at supershadow.com? Fuck, everything from how much money Episode III made to how many nose hairs Yoda had in the movie was on there. That, or course, doesn't mean it's all true, but shit, there definately is a lot.

Nuts

05-24-2005, 9:07 PM

Fact mixed with bullcrap still = a pile of shit. ;)

Toucan

05-24-2005, 9:13 PM

Fact mixed with bullcrap still = a pile of shit.

I couldnt agree more.

I dont think all star wars fans would agree with all the info at Supershadow.com

siuloongbao

05-24-2005, 9:18 PM

a lightsaber that could cut other lightsabers seems to defeat the purpose of lightsabers...

Wick3d

05-24-2005, 10:24 PM

General Grievos is a lot more badass in the clone wars cartoon.

op6

05-25-2005, 12:04 AM

General Grievos is a lot more badass in the clone wars cartoon.

Very true. Too bad in the movie he isn't like that though.

DragonPaladin

05-25-2005, 12:06 AM

Well, he couldn't live can he.

Wick3d

05-25-2005, 12:30 AM

He could have been more badass! He just coughed, then got hands chopped off.

GrassDragon

05-25-2005, 12:36 AM

He could have been more badass! He just coughed, then got hands chopped off.
But it was damn cool to see a droid-ish character coughing, and the exploding/flaming/burning eyes and heart were very cool.

He's Russian? I want to hear a recording of somebody speaking Russian, because that voice is just kickass.

Ecthelion

05-25-2005, 8:15 AM

The zoom in on his eyes was really cool. The detail was superb.

Why didn't he put solid plates around his heart? Then Obi-Wan wouldn't have been able to bend the metal open. He would have lived and not been such a pussy.

hammocksleeper

05-25-2005, 9:10 AM

Luke had a blue lightsabre in the beginning, the same one as Anakin. However, when Luke's hand was cut off, he dropped his father's sabre and built a green one.

Ok so why did it turn green?

Nuts

05-25-2005, 9:19 AM

Could color be some sort of un-official ranking system? It seems that only highly experienced Jedi's have colors other than blue.

DragonPaladin

05-25-2005, 10:11 AM

I think the color depends on the crystal inside the blade.

hammocksleeper

05-25-2005, 10:22 AM

Nuts

05-25-2005, 10:32 AM

I mean, sure, maybe it deals with the crystal inside the lightsaber, but it has to have some kind of symbolic significance.

And another question, if both Anakin and Obi-Wan have blue lightsabers, where did Anakin get the green one from in the duel against Count Dooku?

Obi Wan tosses Anakin his saber, but that leaves the question, why did Obi Wan have a green saber? This is too damn confusing. ;) (I assume you're talking about episode II)

Toucan

05-25-2005, 10:38 AM

In the Jedi Academy trilogy, they were because of the crystal inside them, the jedi would go on a kind of quest to find it, the crystal would "call" to them and they would find it, they didnt know what color it would be, not in those books anyways

EDIT PS. what color was the emperors lightsaber?

kongurous

05-25-2005, 3:46 PM

Obi Wan tosses Anakin his saber, but that leaves the question, why did Obi Wan have a green saber? This is too damn confusing. ;) (I assume you're talking about episode II)

He picked it up in the Arena after being rescued by the Clones.

EDIT PS. what color was the emperors lightsaber?

The emperor's lightsaber was red.

siuloongbao

05-25-2005, 7:48 PM

wait...annakin fights with a blue saber up until it gets cut up in geonosis...doesn't he? I thought obiwan just got supplied with the two sabers. And he gave one to Annakin.

Ecthelion

05-26-2005, 7:58 AM

Anakin fights Obi Wan with the blue one at the end, but he loses it when he gets his limbs cut off. I wanna know where he gets the red one. Does Darth Sideous give him his?

Joszer

05-26-2005, 5:55 PM

Maybe, I think he made his own because jedi make their own lightsabres. Why didn't did the Jedi order have pimp dual bladed lightsabres like Darth Maul? It seems more efficient than a regular one.

op6

05-26-2005, 6:03 PM

Why didn't did the Jedi order have pimp dual bladed lightsabres like Darth Maul? It seems more efficient than a regular one.

I think its beacause they are used for training and aren't used as a main weapon usually. But if they wanted to they could, although traditionally jedi and sith use single bladed (and only one saber) weapons.

I read this in one of my many source books about starwars. If I must I'll go find it for you.

siuloongbao

05-27-2005, 12:56 AM

I remember reading that back in the day, the glory days of the jedi, there were three types of lightsabers, the normal single bladed sword like lightsabers, the double bladed lightsabers, and the extendable blade lightsabers. I think they just became out of fashion because the single bladed ones were more...utilitarian.

orta469

06-01-2005, 11:27 PM

Mace Windu was not stronger than the emperor, the emperor made it seem as though he was weaker than Windu so Anakin could intervene. Prove of this is that when Anakin cut off Windu's hand, the emperor showed his real power with his lighting.

Ecthelion

06-02-2005, 4:44 PM

They should make lightsaber daggers (lightdaggers?) so if the Jedi knight is ever disarmed, he has a secondary weapon. Personally, I would make myself a black lightsaber with a silver outline. That would kick ass. :D They could also make cat's claws (assassin claws) made of energy.

DS-Shadow

06-03-2005, 2:29 AM

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=episode3

Toucan

06-11-2005, 9:25 AM

An idea occured to me today when I was sitting there watccing attack of the clones again (had to pull it out again some time soon), what do you think of this possible scenario.

Some where on Naboo or where ever, darth sidious sneaks into his masters bed chamber, using the dark side of the force he is able to approach his sleeping master Darth Plagues the Wise completely undetected and quietly slits his throat.
At the same time halfway accross the galaxy on the distant world of Tatooine, a slave girl falls pregnant for no apparent reason. Never realising, or anyone realising that the child was in fact Darth Plagues the Wise himself, having found a way to use the meticloreans to cheat death.
Remember Sidious/Palpatine even said he (Plagues) could use meticloreans to spontaniously create life.
Anyway, just a passing thought.

kongurous

06-11-2005, 10:28 AM

Well, here is another idea: what if Plagueis never existed? What if Palpatine fabricated that story to convince Anakin? Anakin didn't even stop to think it was too good to be true, and bringing people to life and making life happen and saving people from death, sounds a lot like the light side of the Force.

Anakin fights Obi Wan with the blue one at the end, but he loses it when he gets his limbs cut off. I wanna know where he gets the red one. Does Darth Sideous give him his?

No offense, but a monkey could tell you that.

Toucan

06-11-2005, 10:30 AM

hmm, I never thought of that at all, your definately right, Palpatine may well have fabricated the story.
But I think bringing the dead back to life would be the work of the dark side.

EDIT: I mean Jedi's seem to except there death when the times comes if you know what i mean.

kongurous

06-11-2005, 10:31 AM

hmm, I never thought of that at all, your definately right, Palpatine may well have fabricated the story.
But I think bringing the dead back to life would be the work of the dark side.

Perhaps, but I'm only inferring that Plagueis could do that. Palpatine never said he could.

Toucan

06-11-2005, 10:36 AM

kongurous

06-11-2005, 10:40 AM

No he he didnt did he, he said he could use meticlorians to "spontaniously create life". Interisting wording. You can imagine how much that reawakend my last idea on Palpatine having some thing to do with Anikins birth :)

Still, that doesn't mean Plagueis ever existed(he would have been mentioned in books, I do believe)and having Plagueis die doesn't mean Plagueis creates a life as he dies. Two Sith are always born at the same time, so there must have been another out there, when Anakin was born. I think that was Darth Maul, but Maul was like in his 20s or something when he was killed. Maybe Zabraks age faster.

Toucan

06-11-2005, 10:45 AM

I think that was Darth Maul, but Maul was like in his 20s or something when he was killed. Maybe Zabraks age faster.

But then he would not have had time to be trained so well, if he had not had time to to learn the ways of the force, he never would have defeated quai gon jin.

Nuts

06-11-2005, 10:49 AM

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=episode3

I am so sick of seeing people worship this pile-o-shit. Maddox is little more than a loathful pile of manure. Last time I checked, Maddox didn't have 9 blockbuster movies under his belt.

Two Sith are always born at the same time

Did you read this somewhere? Because in the movies, it makes no mention of being born at the same time, only that two will exist at any given time, a master and an apprentice. Essentially, this means that when one dies, another sith is christened (i.e. Anakin becomes a Sith after slaying Dooku.)

kongurous

06-11-2005, 2:48 PM

Did you read this somewhere? Because in the movies, it makes no mention of being born at the same time, only that two will exist at any given time, a master and an apprentice. Essentially, this means that when one dies, another sith is christened (i.e. Anakin becomes a Sith after slaying Dooku.)

I read it in a book, and are more than two Sith existing at the same time(in KoTOR2, there are 3).

Nuts

06-11-2005, 2:52 PM

http://stuffo.howstuffworks.com/sith1.htm

It would seem that we may both be correct to a degree. Did KOTORII take place prior to the leadership of Darth Bane? (I can't believe I'm discussing SW lore.) ;)

kongurous

06-11-2005, 3:00 PM

Vhaeraun

06-11-2005, 3:36 PM

I read it in a book, and are more than two Sith existing at the same time(in KoTOR2, there are 3).

Actually kong, you are wrong. KotOR2 takes place back when there were literally thousands of sith. Treya, Sion, Nihilus, plus the thousand of unnamed sith lords you defeat in game, not to mention Visas is a sith before she joins your party. It wasn't long after KotOR2 that the sith empire dwindled in number to just two. But during KotOR2 there were in fact thousands. (I remember battles where there were a pair of Sith Lords I had to defeat, on top of the countless Sith Marauders, and some Sith Assassins.)

kongurous

06-11-2005, 3:44 PM

Actually kong, you are wrong. KotOR2 takes place back when there were literally thousands of sith. Treya, Sion, Nihilus, plus the thousand of unnamed sith lords you defeat in game, not to mention Visas is a sith before she joins your party. It wasn't long after KotOR2 that the sith empire dwindled in number to just two. But during KotOR2 there were in fact thousands. (I remember battles where there were a pair of Sith Lords I had to defeat, on top of the countless Sith Marauders, and some Sith Assassins.)

I meant true Sith, not perverted Jedi. The Trayus Academy was made to pervert Jedi to the Dark Side, after Revan defeated the Mandalorians on Malachor V. Traya, Sion, and Nihilus are true Sith, products of the Mandalorian Wars, and Visas turned to your side, making her an exile who abandoned Nihilus' teachings.

Nuts

06-11-2005, 3:59 PM

I meant true Sith, not perverted Jedi. The Trayus Academy was made to pervert Jedi to the Dark Side, after Revan defeated the Mandalorians on Malachor V. Traya, Sion, and Nihilus are true Sith, products of the Mandalorian Wars, and Visas turned to your side, making her an exile who abandoned Nihilus' teachings.

If you're going to make such a determining factor, then you cannot consider Anakin a Sith either. At which point the "they come in pairs" analogy falls flat on its face.

kongurous

06-11-2005, 4:07 PM

If you're going to make such a determining factor, then you cannot consider Anakin a Sith either. At which point the "they come in pairs" analogy falls flat on its face.

You misunderstand me. The original Sith were exciled from the Jedi Order 10,000(if memory serves)years before Episode 1. Those Sith went to Korriban, built up their strength, and attacked the Republic 1,000 years later. The Jedi Order killed all the original Sith, and those who werent, used the Sith as a faction, rather than religion. Anakin, is a special case. He isn't one of the original Sith, but he was born to be a Sith, to attempt to destroy the Jedi Order. We know what happens next, and thus balance is brought to the Force, if only temporarily. What I'm saying is, regardless of whether or not the analogy is true, Anakin brought balance to the Force.

Nuts

06-11-2005, 4:11 PM

kongurous

06-11-2005, 4:23 PM

That brings up an excellent question. If Anakin brought balance to the force, then how unbalanced is the force now that both Sidious and Anakin are dead?

I think Lucas should bring balance to the force in a 3rd trilogy. Let Luke be lured to the dark side as his father before him. Then you would have brother and sister, both on opposite sides of the force, true balance.

Well, if Luke fell to the Dark and Leia went to the Light, both would spread their influence. And besides, its never established whether or not Leia can feel the Force as potently as Luke. Now, if Luke were dead and no Jedi or Sith were still alive, then balance would be brought.

CaptainWill

06-11-2005, 4:28 PM

The only thing I can say about Star Wars III was that I couldn't help but laugh at the 'NoOoOoOoOoO!' scene at the end. It did seem rather ridiculous, and there are now tens of spoofs of it on the internet.

Nuts

06-11-2005, 4:34 PM

I was really hoping to hear him say "This is CNN" or "Simba, you have forgotten me."

;)

Morkeliph

06-14-2005, 6:47 PM

Personally I thought that the whole movie was terrible from start to finish, but then again, I'm not a big fan of *any* of the new Star Wars. I thought the casting was poor, I was having a hard time making the transition of Edward Bloom to Obi Wan Kenobi with Ewan McGregor. I thought the acting was poor, apparently all it takes to become more evil looking is a little squinting of the eyes. I thought it was much less realistic, since when do things slide off of ships in zero-gravity? I thought the script was terribly written, "I'm so in love with you." "No, I'm so in love with you...". As a whole, I think it lists on my top 10 worst movies list, right behind National Treasure, because hey, at least this had lightsabers in it.

kongurous

06-14-2005, 7:09 PM

I thought it was much less realistic, since when do things slide off of ships in zero-gravity?

Dude, it didn't slide off. The ship was flying and the droid was not. Simple as pie. And it wasn't zero-gravity. They were fighting in the atmosphere of Coruscant(remember, the Seperatist ship holding Palpatine fell towards the planet when its stabilizers went out.).

Morkeliph

06-14-2005, 7:21 PM

I'm pretty sure the battle ni the opening scenes was in space. I remember them having to enter the atmosphere to land the ship...not to mention wasn't ridiculously convenient how even though the ship's steering was gone they managed to fly right onto a big long runway, long enough for a huge warship.

Sikawtic

06-14-2005, 7:34 PM

Isn't it cool how anakin isn't really a full human? Half human, half force... pretty tight eh? Which means both luke and Leah are quarter force...

kongurous

06-14-2005, 8:22 PM

I'm pretty sure the battle ni the opening scenes was in space.

Go watch it again. They are in the atmosphere. Far enough away for debris to be in orbit, but close enough to still be in the gravity well.

Morkeliph

06-14-2005, 8:30 PM

I'd rather not, it wasn't exactly an enjoyable experience the first time. Even if they are in the atmosphere, the rest of the movie was just a big dissappointment. The best actor in the movie was Yoda, and he's computer generated. Samuel L. Jackson is a good actor but he really just doesn't shine at all in this role, and I can see how it would be hard with such a terrible screenplay.

That's probably my biggest complaint, George Lucas just doesn't right good scripts. The original movies were good, but mainly because Harrison Ford found some way to make the lines work. Take out Han Solo and you get over-dramatized, cheesey-lined crap that relies heavily on special effects to make what we call a movie. That's exactly what the new ones are if you ask me. I was just severely dissappointed.

Nuts

06-15-2005, 4:34 AM

As a whole, I think it lists on my top 10 worst movies list, right behind National Treasure, because hey, at least this had lightsabers in it.

Seriously, you either have a very odd taste in film, or you've seen maybe 11 movies your entire life. Science fiction (i.e. Star Wars) requires a suspension of reality. The entire movie is full of impossibilities, and here you are complaining about some zero gravity issues?

National treasure? Not a very good movie at all, but one of the top 10 worst of all time? Hardly. ;)

I do happen to agree 100% with your assessment of Harrison Ford. I made a similar comment a few months back. The new trilogy has no comic relief/cool guy character to give you a sense of reality.

Morkeliph

06-16-2005, 7:24 PM

You know, it wasn't really the realism that killed the movie for me, I can deal with that. Hell, I love the movie Big Fish. Realism really is something that can be tossed of for the sake of a story or a movie, but quality acting and scriptwriting cannot. Like I said before, what killed this movie was the puke-worthy lines, unconvincable acting, and heavy reliance of special effects. To me it was like watching Godzilla without the monster and in space.

As for National Treasure, I've never liked Nicolas Cage. He's very dry and unbelievable. Casting him as a know it all historian treasurehunter/Indiana Jones was a poor decision. The same things killed this movie that ruined Star Wars, poor acting, and poor screenplay. "I'm sorry I dropped you, Honey; I had to save the Declaration of Independance." Overall, I thought it was just all around terrible, but a lot of people loved it and I knew I was going to get flak for tearing this one apart. I was suprised actually that you agreed that it wasn't a very good movie because most people that I talk about this with think it's the greatest things they've ever seen.

Kingscrab

06-16-2005, 7:51 PM

And... roll...
Go watch it again. They are in the atmosphere. Far enough away for debris to be in orbit, but close enough to still be in the gravity well.
Whatever. Who cares. It's sci-fi. If we split hairs, every movie would be lame.

Like I said before, what killed this movie was the puke-worthy lines, unconvincable acting, and heavy reliance of special effects. To me it was like watching Godzilla without the monster and in space.
The dialogue WAS shite. I liked the movie a lot, but Lucas can't write his way out of a paper bag. Take Natalie Portman: great actress, loved her in every movie she's done... but watching her in the trilogy was just painful. The script she had to work with was awful. It's like handing someone a turd and saying bake a pie out of this. No cook can do that! Ewan McGregor was pretty good though. MUCH better than his ho-hum/cardboard attitude in the first movie.

The Emporer stole the show hands down. Kick ass performance!

I do happen to agree 100% with your assessment of Harrison Ford. I made a similar comment a few months back. The new trilogy has no comic relief/cool guy character to give you a sense of reality.
Nuts, i think the planets are in alignment. We agree on something! ;)
The first three movies had no charming characters. No real shining wit like Han Solo. The comic relief was a CGI character build for a two year old. Did anyone really care about the characters in the three movies? Sure, Yoda and Chewy are neat, Obi-Wan was kinda cool... um... that's about it. I was glad when Mace Windu got wacked. His character was SO lame. Again, great actor, reading from a shitty script. I have to admit, Annakin wasn't all that bad this time around, but we're comparing his acting to the attack of the clones... not hard to beat.

As for National Treasure, I've never liked Nicolas Cage. He's very dry and unbelievable. Casting him as a know it all historian treasurehunter/Indiana Jones was a poor decision. The same things killed this movie that ruined Star Wars, poor acting, and poor screenplay. "I'm sorry I dropped you, Honey; I had to save the Declaration of Independance." Overall, I thought it was just all around terrible, but a lot of people loved it and I knew I was going to get flak for tearing this one apart. I was suprised actually that you agreed that it wasn't a very good movie because most people that I talk about this with think it's the greatest things they've ever seen.
LOL I'm on your side here brutha! National Treasure was a steaming dung heap of a movie. Not on my top 10 worst movie list, but pretty bad... Matter of fact, i am gonna go start a new worst movie ever thread right now! :D

Toucan

06-16-2005, 8:08 PM

The Emporer stole the show hands down. Kick ass performance!
Oh, I second that, but I have always loved the emperor, its a shame Lucas didnt have the sense to get more help with the screenplay.
You know its funny, a few days ago I may have argued more, maby it was huge shot of star wars law that is now wearing off.
hmm, yea, by and large the movie was shite.

Nuts

06-17-2005, 7:25 AM

I was suprised actually that you agreed that it wasn't a very good movie because most people that I talk about this with think it's the greatest things they've ever seen.
The acting was jilted and corny, and I found the basic concept to be very...average. As I mentioned before, a suspension of disbelief is required for most ficticious movies, but I found myself just laughing at this instead of trying to believe it.

All that said, I have seen many more movies that were a lot worse. That's why I questioned your judgement. ;)

Nuts, i think the planets are in alignment. We agree on something! ;)
The first three movies had no charming characters. No real shining wit like Han Solo.
I watched the OT the other day in a single sitting, and I have to say, Han Solo sold the movies. The whole "Millenium Falcon is a piece of crap" runing joke, the Han/Chewie dialogue, the Leia/Han dialogue, hell, anything that had Harrison Ford in the scene was peppered with sarcasm and humor. I say brink back Ford for the 3rd trilogy and make him a Jedi knight. ;)

The comic relief was a CGI character build for a two year old.
Not to mention is was designed after a 18th century slave. The simlarities are obvious if you think about it. "Meesa" is very close to "massa" for master. There are plenty of other traits too.

Did anyone really care about the characters in the three movies?
That was perhaps the biggest problem with this entire trilogy, there was no human connection to anyone. I think the only character that I had any bit of relation to was Obi Wan, but even he was stilted enough that I couldn't quite relate all the time. (Given, the stilted nature of his performance was script driven, not acting ability.)

Kingscrab

06-17-2005, 10:44 AM

That was perhaps the biggest problem with this entire trilogy, there was no human connection to anyone. I think the only character that I had any bit of relation to was Obi Wan, but even he was stilted enough that I couldn't quite relate all the time. (Given, the stilted nature of his performance was script driven, not acting ability.)
Yeah... it's been likened to a documentary.

I think too, that at the time Lucas made the original, he was still kind of a no name, and the actors had the balls to tell him the script sucked. ie: colaborate and work with him instead of being yes men. Nowadays, he's a movie god, and people just do as he says... :cry:

Morkeliph

06-17-2005, 4:56 PM

The acting was jilted and corny, and I found the basic concept to be very...average. As I mentioned before, a suspension of disbelief is required for most ficticious movies, but I found myself just laughing at this instead of trying to believe it.

All that said, I have seen many more movies that were a lot worse. That's why I questioned your judgement. ;)

I think a part of why I might hate National Treasure so passionately is because I was on a very bad date at the time and I just wanted to shoot myself. The movie really didn't help my mood at all and by the end I wanted to pull a Viewtiful Joe by jumping in the screen and punching Nicolas Cage in the face. Sorry, that was a lot of rage, but I just can't stand this movie.

Repeat

07-02-2005, 1:26 AM

If you look into other Star Wars stuff (magazines ect.) you will see that George Lucas leaves it up to the audience to debate so there is no 100% winner. And if you look at it this way, Palpatine never really fights Mace, he has to let Anakin do it so he will fully become Sith. You might say Palpatine could have wipped Mace straight up because he has Kyber Crystal light saber and supposedly can move 100x faster than any jedi, but the movie is the movie so its for your imagination. I believe we never will know exactly who is stronger because the fight was staged.

Ahh sorry guys was posting reply to first page lol didnt see it had 10. I just read the rest and I feel im forced to post the text of the email I sent to the guy who hosts the http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=episode3 site:

Sup, I was just bored browsing some star wars forum and I noticed your site linked. As I read it I laughed the hardest I've ever laughed before. You must be congratulated for the awesome pics. But your view of star wars seems to be a little misled. If you actually watch episodes 1-3 you will see that Anakin first had "20 second visions" of his mother dying. As the movie shows he waited too late and she died. He blamed himself as most people would probably do and vowed it wouldnt happen again. So when he had them about Padme naturally he was most upset. The reason he turns to the dark side (I'll try to explain this best as I can) is because he becomes consumed by his hatred. He believes that the Jedi are corrupt because they fear his new religion (and it didnt help that Mace Windu tried to kill his mentor). So as most humans do when he didnt understand something his first reaction is violence and as he blames Obi-Wan for turning his wife against him because she does not share his feelings he blames the Jedi and fights Obi-Wan.

And the reason some would say that Episode III is the best: It fills the gap to complete the Saga. It is for most Star Wars fans the most anticipated movie ever. So naturally everyone will be hyping about it. Last but not least i have to say if you dont like it im SURE you have more constructive things to do than make a damn web site to show people how narrow minded you are. And for when you ask why I dont have better things to do! I am only 17 its the middle of summer and its 1 AM in the morning so i really have no life. Sorry to ruin all your fun.

Just remember everyone who actually listens to this guy.. if you want ANY information about something dont listen to the dumbasses... listen to the jackasses atleast they smart -_-