View Full Version : When is a N00b Pro?
BrotherGreen
05-09-2005, 1:27 PM
Where is the line between noob and pro? I've seen noobs be called pro just because they beat the other guy, who happened to be more of a noob.
Then maybe, noob is just a gloat that we, the pros of Bnet, like to use when we win, as ignorant as we are.
Didnt noob originate as newbie - a new person? If that were true then noob and newb shouldnt be insults, more of statements. For all you know that new person could be great. But then he'd be a pro - because you got beat, but wouldnt that be false? Because hes a newb.
Thank you majority of Bnet users for butchering this word we used to use as a pointless statement
The_Maker
05-09-2005, 2:11 PM
I believe it originated from "newb" which was short for "new blood" when new players would join an online clan. But there isn't really a line between "n00b" and pro IMO, I jus tplay to have fun :). But, if you want to know if you are a pro see how many times you can win a game while online, if you can win 90% of the games you play in one sitting I believe you are considered pro, however some people don't always follow that "guideline" ;).
Spdstr
05-09-2005, 2:54 PM
Well, Newbie or Newb are just like saying that "this guy is new", and n00b is more of an insult whenever you crush someone at a game and say "j00 n00b" and stuff like taht.
Member,
~ Spdstr
sololop
05-09-2005, 3:27 PM
I always thought a "n00b" was a person who has a low record, meaning their new to b.net. But it's also used if u have say 154-107 record, and lose. I think a "pro" is someone who has a very good record, with LITTLE losses, so you can't call them a "n00b" because their rec is just too good. Ex: 287-72.
Black.Ice
05-09-2005, 3:41 PM
I always thought of a newbie as a person who is new to StarCraft and just sucks in general. A n00b is someone who is classified as a newbie, but doesn't have potential to get better. For example, he doesn't listen to allies and just stay sin his rut.
Now, it's not like you're a newbie and then one day you wake up to find yourself a pro. Obviously, there are many stages - you start off as a newbie, and then become a novice. After a while, you become intermediate where you win 50% of your games and lose 50%.
You become a pro when you feel like you're a pro. You're a pro when you can say you're a pro and back it up. :D
MidnightGladius
05-09-2005, 3:52 PM
You're a pro when you can call yourself a pro in front of others and [A. no one disagrees], or [B. someone disagrees, but you beat them, leading to A.]
haha! Stats/records don't mean ANYTHING. Why? It all depends on the opponent what you pick. For example the public 1v1 games... I could easily get a 100-1 record from them, it's nothing hard to do. Anyone can get a high record, it just depends of the opponent. At my current acc at b.net I have a record of 600-800... And that's only because I pick GOSU opponents. Like one person from my countrys B team has kicked my butt over 200 times, but that does not mean I'm a noob.
If Fazant plays 30 games vs yellow, and loses them all, and has record of 0-30, Does it make him noob? No, it doesn't. To be a pro you have to reach the title by some tournament or some sort, but to be a pro by skill you need to be extremely good too. No one in europe, except people like didi and elky, blackman etc. Have reached the title of progamer by skill, but It was long time ago, and noone of them play anymore. People like Mondragon, Testie, and so on may be semi-pros by skill, but it doesn't make them pro :P.
BrotherGreen
05-10-2005, 9:33 PM
Some of you have re-iterated my point. n00b is just 1337 talk for newb.
Records mean nothing. - Some people just compstomp all day - theres your 90% wins in a sitting.
What I was trying to say is, people who use n00b as an insult are just plain ignorant...
Oh, and I think somebody said this. But just because you get beat doesent make you n00b, if you get called n00b by someone who barely beat you, or even rushed you.. isnt that wrong? Yeah.
skyglow1
05-10-2005, 11:27 PM
Pro is to be known worldwide like the top koreans and a few foreigners.
skyglow1
BrotherGreen
05-11-2005, 1:32 AM
ACtually, I'd consider that more.. elite. Im pro, I hardly get beat by humans (No, Not fastest), but im not known worldwide. Does that mean im n00b? Perhaps to the ignorant famous koreans who pound me.
Cpt.Chronic
05-11-2005, 2:47 PM
ACtually, I'd consider that more.. elite. Im pro, I hardly get beat by humans (No, Not fastest), but im not known worldwide. Does that mean im n00b? Perhaps to the ignorant famous koreans who pound me.
Haha, you think you're pro? Hardly. I haven't played this game in over a month and I bet I'd still wipe the floor with you and I'm nowhere near pro.
Also, noob is used to insult experienced players that still suck at the game. No, they're not actually new to the game, but they play like it, which is why they are called noobs. I'm guessing you fall into this category.
BrotherGreen
05-12-2005, 2:37 AM
And thank you for fulfilling the "ignorant idiot" position in this thread, you sure deserve it. In all honestly, im not going to say i'd beat you or not, because I dont know you, and im not an ignorant arrogant asshole.
Also, I didnt ask WHY people get called noobs, I asked What the line was between pro/noob.
Now go back into your corner, you little fool.
thefazant
05-12-2005, 5:36 AM
And thank you for fulfilling the "ignorant idiot" position in this thread, you sure deserve it. In all honestly, im not going to say i'd beat you or not, because I dont know you, and im not an ignorant arrogant asshole.
Also, I didnt ask WHY people get called noobs, I asked What the line was between pro/noob.
Now go back into your corner, you little fool.
im pretty sure youre a noob
Cpt.Chronic
05-12-2005, 3:10 PM
Also, I didnt ask WHY people get called noobs, I asked What the line was between pro/noob.
There's no line between noob and pro. More like an enormous gaping chasm.
Ecthelion
05-12-2005, 5:45 PM
Noob/newb/newbie/new blodd has been turned into an insult rather than a simple fact. Noobs are simply people who are new at Starcraft (win 0%-15%), then you become a novice (16%-50%), then intermediate (41%-80%), then pro (81%-90%), then elite (91%-100%). I don't know anyone who wins every game they play.
thats not true. Don't spit out stupid shit, when you don't know what you talk about...
Toucan
05-13-2005, 12:42 AM
To be Profesional in any sport or game or whatever, you need to be "paid" for it, end of story, and there are pro gamers (there is down here in Australia anyways, all in counterstrike though)
Also good sportsmanship and appropriate mannors are common to most Pro sportsman/gamers
Exceptions to every rule tho
BrotherGreen
05-13-2005, 2:07 AM
Finally, people with real opinions! Etchelion and Toucan are my heroes. I expected some ignorant comments, so i'll just discard those.
Are you really going to base status on wins? Perhaps somebody compstomps or constantly plays fastest with absolute noobs. Does that make him elite because he wins most of those games?
thefazant
05-13-2005, 6:29 AM
i think brothergreen is a newbie
there are people much worse than him here...
Cpt.Chronic
05-13-2005, 12:33 PM
Yeah, but at least they're not stupid enough to make a thread about what the difference between a noob and a pro is.
BrotherGreen
05-13-2005, 1:08 PM
Actually, its a rather good discussion, generally ruined by idiots like you :). If you dont like it so much, then fuck off.
Cpt.Chronic
05-13-2005, 2:48 PM
Actually, its a rather good discussion, generally ruined by idiots like you :). If you dont like it so much, then fuck off.
A bunch of noobs discussing what a noob is...yeah great discussion. WTF does this have to do with tactics anyway? Why even post this crap in here?
mr.nuke
05-13-2005, 3:24 PM
my belief is noob is new dude thats sucks like a rookie in a sport, even if ur good when u start ur still a noob(rookie) so probly when u get 2 a certain time u urn n 2 pro
ZergMan
05-14-2005, 9:43 PM
Newb: A person new at the game.
n00b: That's me! I've been playing for well over two years, and I still suck ass. I'm not going to deny that.
Pro: Anyone who can take on an individual of equal to or greater caliber and win.
MidnightGladius
05-15-2005, 5:33 PM
Well, agreeing with Ahzz, Cpt.Chronic, and thefazant, this has absolutely nothing to do with tactics/strategies. This belongs in debriefing room.
Oh, and about beating people, you'll never know until you try.
Another possible definition of N00b is someone who can't (operative word) implement the different baseline strategies for each race matchup.
ReD_ICE
05-16-2005, 8:44 PM
something to add: noobs dont know what to do in the game, and probably just try building all the units, or just defend like hell, not concerning expansion, not knowing how to react to a situation, and so on and so forth
BrotherGreen
05-17-2005, 1:34 AM
Well, atleast some people here have opinions, and others are idiots. Thats your choice.
the ones that have opinions are your idols? And the ones who tell the pure facts are idiots?
ReD_ICE
05-19-2005, 8:40 PM
lol...u need to organize ur thoughts
BrotherGreen
05-20-2005, 12:39 PM
No wonder most people dont like WB, most of you couldnt care less about dick-all.
And a few of you wonder why us at SC.org dont like our new WB mods. Jee...
DragonPaladin
05-20-2005, 2:10 PM
Yeah, but at least they're not stupid enough to make a thread about what the difference between a noob and a pro is.
He didn't ask the difference, he asked WHEN was a noob pro. Slightly different wording but very different meanings. Anyone knows that a noob is a beginner and a pro is an expert. That's been proven. But where is the gray area, or the thin line? That was the real question here.
siuloongbao
05-24-2005, 11:05 PM
i thot newbs were beginners, and noobs were dumbasses. and pros were...pros.
ReD_ICE
05-26-2005, 2:53 AM
ur making this much more complicated than it should be. the line between a noob and a pro is as simple as it is, a noob plays with not as much experience/skill as a pro..
DragonPaladin
05-27-2005, 9:56 AM
Well what if....
Newb - A complete beginnner. Horrible micro, build order, strategic manuvers.
Noob - COMPARED to the person he/she is playing against, this person sucks. He is not a BEGINNER, he/she just sucks when compared to the person he/she is playing against/with.
For I.E.: YOU NOOB! YOU SHOULD HAVE HELPED HIM DEFEND AGAINST THAT RUSH!
Pro - Duh...
L2_1989
05-27-2005, 12:40 PM
I'm starting to get enough. Newb, noob, pro, whatever. Newb and noob is about the same only noobs suck more.
ReD_ICE
05-30-2005, 2:57 AM
noob is the exact same thing as a newb, its just 2 different spellings...what does it matter? both plays with either no or not enough experience...jeez...
siuloongbao
05-30-2005, 6:17 PM
nah i don't believe thats true. A newb is someone that is new. And a noob is someone that shouldn't be bad because of experience, or they're just a dumbass that does stupid stuff that equals badness.
"Yea he's a newb."
"omg, you noob why did you lead them to my base"
Those are the only differences tho
Some ppl use nub in place of noob.
MidnightGladius
05-30-2005, 9:04 PM
Yeah, I agree "noob" is used more negatively than "newb".
EDIT: I found this list on www.gosugamers.net (http://www.gosugamers.net/). Enjoy:
Levels of play - From newbie to progamer
Before I go on, this is what I mean about levels of play. Here, in my estimation, are the stages that all players go through on their way to becoming great.
Total Newbie - does not even know the tech tree
Newbie - knows how to play the game but has very little idea of even unit counters
Very bad player - knows most basic unit counters but has very little idea of any of the nuances of the game such as build order countering, scouting, etc
Bad player - basically knows how to play at least 3 matchups (in my case pvt, pvz, and pvp) unit choice wise, but is still slow, tentative, and inneffective at micro and macro.
Ok player - more aggressive then a bad player, possibly has a halfway efficient build order
Decent player - player beginning to understand how to counter build orders
Good player - player has knowledge of several different opening build orders and when to employ them, has fair micro and macro, mouse speed won't improve past here without concentrated effort
Very good player - probably regularly uses hotkeys (though as toss it's possible to be very good without using them that much -- I would classify myself here) probably has either very good micro or macro, probably uses deception well and has good time management skills. Thousands of these to be found in Wgtour/Pgtour, past the first few ranking tiers.
True Gosu - definitely uses hotkeys, deception, efficient build order countering and scouting, excellent reaction times and time management, excellent attack timing, very good intuition. Really only a couple dozen of these for each of even the best brood war nations (outside of Korea).
Progamer level - like a true gosu, only usually faster mouse speed, better intuition, more honed reflexes, and better innovative skills. Obviously found only in Korea
Kingscrab
06-01-2005, 8:57 AM
Yeah, but at least they're not stupid enough to make a thread about what the difference between a noob and a pro is.
I think it's interesting & worth discussing, since plenty of people talk shit around here and throw those terms around like they are going out of style.
Actually, its a rather good discussion, generally ruined by idiots like you :). If you dont like it so much, then fuck off.
I agree. If you think it's such a bad thread, don't waste time posting and being a dick about it. Get lost. There are plenty of other threads to spam.
Yeah, I agree "noob" is used more negatively than "newb".
EDIT: I found this list on www.gosugamers.net (http://www.gosugamers.net/). Enjoy:
Levels of play - From newbie to progamer
Before I go on, this is what I mean about levels of play. Here, in my estimation, are the stages that all players go through on their way to becoming great.
Total Newbie - does not even know the tech tree
Newbie - knows how to play the game but has very little idea of even unit counters
Very bad player - knows most basic unit counters but has very little idea of any of the nuances of the game such as build order countering, scouting, etc
Bad player - basically knows how to play at least 3 matchups (in my case pvt, pvz, and pvp) unit choice wise, but is still slow, tentative, and inneffective at micro and macro.
Ok player - more aggressive then a bad player, possibly has a halfway efficient build order
Decent player - player beginning to understand how to counter build orders
Good player - player has knowledge of several different opening build orders and when to employ them, has fair micro and macro, mouse speed won't improve past here without concentrated effort
Very good player - probably regularly uses hotkeys (though as toss it's possible to be very good without using them that much -- I would classify myself here) probably has either very good micro or macro, probably uses deception well and has good time management skills. Thousands of these to be found in Wgtour/Pgtour, past the first few ranking tiers.
True Gosu - definitely uses hotkeys, deception, efficient build order countering and scouting, excellent reaction times and time management, excellent attack timing, very good intuition. Really only a couple dozen of these for each of even the best brood war nations (outside of Korea).
Progamer level - like a true gosu, only usually faster mouse speed, better intuition, more honed reflexes, and better innovative skills. Obviously found only in Korea
Cool post! Thanks Midnight! :tup:
Here's a thought for you:
A player ability level obviously differs based on the opponent.
By "opponent" i mean, a HUMAN opponent or a COMP opponent.
So, how would THAT factor into your scale? I assume the collective thought here is that just because a player can efficiently crush a COMP (thus, has adequate skills about how to understand and play Starcraft) enemy, this does not necessarily make him a "good player" by other standards... if he cannot hold his own vs. a HUMAN that is. :)
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