how u cannon rush and then still have good prodution at ur base?

[mr.nuke]

:mad: how u cannons rush but still get produtive in ur base?

[Ahzz]

I'm not helping on fast map strategies. They suck, they have no point, they are no fun, you get better on them faster by playing 1v1 on good maps.

First of all, thanks. You maid much better topic name, and such
now, IF you are talking on playing REGULAR good maps, it should be done as this:(about... However, this cannot work vs T well, unless you're lucky, and vs P it needs practise, and good execution. vs Zerg, escpecially if he/she does fast expand, cannon rush is fine)
1.probes to mine, make all the time more probes. Never stop.
2.When you have 8/9 supply of probes, make an pylon, somewhere near your choke point. send probe to scout
3. make an forge remember to keep making probes.
4. By now you should have found your opponent. If he has an lone hatchery, or base defended, or something else.... Well, place a pylon somewhere near it, but not next to it. Also make an gateway or two, and take care you have good timing on pylons. If he didn't notice the pylon, or cannot see it, bring more probes... maybe 3-4 to the pylon. Also make an assimilator
5. start making cannons. Use the probes to slow down and to defend your cannons. Also bring zealots in, if you think they will be useful.
6. Make a new expand, and make a few cannons to defend it.
7. The teching, gaming style etc you want here.
I hope this will be some use too... However, this wont work at all times, and all. Use your mind first, should you try it in that situation or spot or not.

[mr.nuke]

They suck, they have no point, they are no fun,
er..........they r pretty fun, and thx for the

First of all, thanks. You maid much better topic name, and such
now,
........:D

[MidnightGladius]

Go with what Ahzz said, as he's pretty much right most of the time. I personally think, if it's an undefended zerg natural, you can skip the gates completely and get your cannons in faster.

Btw, there's this one pvz replay where the protoss guy cannon rushes the zerg. But then the zerg makes a hatchery in the toss base with the scouting drone and offensive sunkens. Upshot is that zerg is contained for 10 minutes and toss loses his main. I'll post it if you want.

[Sambo83]

Why are you trying to learn stupid cheese strategies? You should probably be concentrating on getting your basic build together, and understanding the basic mechanics of the game. Not how to pull off cheap tricks on newbies.

[MidnightGladius]

Sambo this is the first post I've seen in a while from you.

While I agree that cannon rushing is not fundamentally sound, he DID ask, and I think you should answer a question that someone asks.

[mr.nuke]

im kind of getting bored of regular startges............i use DTs but my allies need help so i got 2 help them which makes the enemy no that i got temps and they use start building detctors which screws the hole plan

[MidnightGladius]

DTs are good even when they have detection. It's just a matter of making sure their detection is somewhere else when you hit them.

[Sambo83]

While I agree that cannon rushing is not fundamentally sound, he DID ask, and I think you should answer a question that someone asks.
It's obvious he's a total newb. I did answer his question by telling him to learn how to play instead of trying to cheese with cannons.

[GoatseS_BoxeR]

learn how to play toss noobie

[MidnightGladius]

Why are you trying to learn stupid cheese strategies? You should probably be concentrating on getting your basic build together, and understanding the basic mechanics of the game. Not how to pull off cheap tricks on newbies.

Remind me how that's supposed to tell him to "learn how to play"? You were just insulting his desire to learn all aspects of the game, not the status quo build orders.

Besides, some pros modify offensive cannons and use them in their games. Does that mean they're "total newb"s too?

[Sambo83]

Is English your second language?

[MidnightGladius]

That was completely irrelevant.

For your information, I'm bilingual (English and Chinese). I learned English in primary and secondary school while learning Chinese at a private establishment. I mainly use English in most of conversations, though I do use Chinese when speaking with Chinese adults and my family.

I'm really not sure what you were trying to point out by saying that.

[Sambo83]

I just wondered because in your response you didn't seem to understand one word that I said.

That is, the fact that a progamer might ocassionally cannon rush has nothing to do with the fact that mr. nuke is a newbie. It's like if I say to you, "The sky is definately blue," and your response is, "No, the grass is green."

He doesn't desire to learn all aspects of the game because at his present skill level, learning the "correct" way to cannon rush will do him absolutely no good. My response points him toward how to become a better starcraft player, which is the purpose of this forum. Explaining to him how to cannon rush just encourages him to do it. If he wants to talk about how him and his buddies cannon rushed 3 comps, the forum for that is the debriefing room. This forum is so he can learn how to get better.

[Cpt.Chronic]

Cannon rushing just may be the oldest cheese strat in the book, and it still works. It's pretty ez to cannon rush a zerg who fast expos because the site range of a morphing hatchery is very small so you can build cannons within firing range, but out of it's site range and just rally your zealots to it.

[Ahzz]

But can a noob, not knowing all the basics of the game survive after that? He should atleat know what to do in a non-cheese game, right? :o

[Cpt.Chronic]

Yeah, sure. Or he could cheese a player much better than himself then when that player gets all pissed and asks for a rematch he could just "ggnore noob" to further infuriate him :P

[Ahzz]

:D:D hehe yah.

[ReD_ICE]

im gonna agree with sambo on this one. cannon rushing is a cheeze strat that can get u nowhere in terms of starcraft skills. There is no point in playing sc if ur always gonna cannon-rush ur enemy. Nuke, u said u wanted to try OTHER strats, but im pretty confident that ur basics havent been established yet. AND, to tell u the truth, if ur cannon rush fails, u r already behind on economy. dont think about weird, crazy strats that have a 50-50 chance, its useless, becuz those probably only work against noobs, and defeating a noob with a cannon rush is nothing to be proud of, it shows no skill at all.

[Ahzz]

nah, if it's pvz you are not back, since you can fe right away. Fazant actually tried it 3 times to me back some time ago. Each one of them failed, but 2 of them were slow, slow, zealot cannon rushes, which work like every 1/10 games ;p

[thefazant]

nah, if it's pvz you are not back, since you can fe right away. Fazant actually tried it 3 times to me back some time ago. Each one of them failed, but 2 of them were slow, slow, zealot cannon rushes, which work like every 1/10 games ;p
ill assume youre gigant cuz that were the only pvzs ive played in a month or smth and youre finnish too.
in those games i didnt go for a good cannon rush, i did some shitty gate/forge (not early expo) build i saw in a rep on the new wcg maps, and i completely screwed it up.
my normal pvz fe build is 10-11 forge at expo and scout with 2 probes, if he hatches at expo, cannon it, if he 9 pools, get cannons immediattely, block his ramp with youre probe and send youre own probes down, if he 12 pools ,you can probably nexus first, cut some probes for a faster cannon, if he h&taches in main, you can go nexus and gate before youre first cannon,

you can easily non-cheese cannon rush this way, if the zerg is careless or if its a position where you can block youre cannons in with youre pylon(e.g. bottom left on nost), you will probably kill his expo if he doesnt use a lot of drones, if he does this, youre stilll up ahead, hell lose a lot of mining time and will probably panic and pump a lot of early lings too, just cancel youre cannons before they die, and then just get youre expo up, youll still be ahead, cuz if you dont put any kind of early pressure with cannons,the zerg will be able to pump pure drones, which pretty much eliminates the usefullness of youre early expo.

[mr.nuke]

first of all sambo needs 2 shut the fuck up cause im only asking 4 this stratge cause i kinda get bored here and also 2 midnight galdies im also american chinese^_^

[ReD_ICE]

dude...watch ur language man...come on, they're just TALKING...god..talk about bad language usage....

but hey...i didnt know so many were american-chinese here...lol...im not, im canadian-chinese..

correction: canadian-taiwanese (but ah, who gives about politics)

[mr.nuke]

lol..............

[MidnightGladius]

Many people care about politics. It's why the world is so screwed up these days...

[mr.nuke]

lol.........

[ReD_ICE]

yeah...luckily most of the games we play are non-political

[mr.nuke]

ok............

[siuloongbao]

Theres politics in starcraft...

in the storyline anyway.

[IceFlare]

You could try a different approach than this and instead make a pylon outside his main and then build cannon in the main with ur scouting probe, this takes good execution and if ur probe is spotted, very slim chance of working