Anti-Christ: Who is he/she?

[DragonPaladin]

I was just thinking about the bible and I remembered some people talking about the Anti-Christ. If anyone knows anything about the Anti-Christ, could you please post. And no spamming like, "My sister is the Anti-Christ" up here. What do you think?

This is what I know so far.

Supposedly in the Apocalypse, these things will happen.

-Sun will rise in the West and set in the East.
-Men will grow more arrogant and belligerant(As if they aren't already.)
-Something with Hebrew Numbers, like:
777(Jesus Christ)- 111(The Perfect Unity, makes me think of the Zerg)= 666(Sign of the Beast)
-Something about the angels coming down and Jesus returning and the battle of good vs. evil.

Any help would be nice!

[uchafu]

I am not very religious, but I think that the Anti-Christ is a metaphor to describe all the things that will eventually lead to mankind's downfall. Greed, corruption, war, all those things that go against the things that Christ preached. Everyday all those things get stronger and bigger eventually they will cause a LOT of chaos and the world will come to an end. That is just my theory.

[Protogod]

actually, Dp, you have referred to me as the anti-christ, so I accept that responsibility. You said no spamming, but I am entirely serious, now give me your SOUL!

[DragonPaladin]

Yes...I was making a movie of Jesus trying to find the Anti-Christ on Java.

It's called. I Spy the Anti-Christ.

So far, these people are the Anti-Christ(s)

Ryan Simmons
Drake Quails
Evan Slyverston
My sister(I'm not kidding.)
Kyle Martinnez
Patrick Winn
The Zerg

So, yea. I'm going to write a story where Mystikal zaps all of us (protogod, Griffonheart, DFIK, Deadfast, BSTRhino, HamSandwich, and Scififreak into the website's mainframe to battle the deadly computer virus.

And we all represent our avatars

protogod: Zealot/Protoss God
Hamsandwich6: Unsurprisingly, a ham sandwich with mustard.
Griffonheart: A Griffin
DFIK: A Ghost
Scififreak: A Jedi
BSTRhino: A rhino, can't think of anything else.
deadfast: A Hunter-Killer

It'll be like a RPG -style game. Hahha....

[Modred]

It is widely believed that the anti-Christ will bring peace to Jerusalem, meaning solve the problems of the Middle East. Judging from my perspective, it would take a supernaturally endowed person to bring that around.

Anyway, I don't particularly want to pick a person as the anti-Christ. But if I were to pick someone...let's see. Who is widely popular, with a fairly unknown background, and has political aspirations? Minus the second qualification, we could point to Ahnold. Dubya fits the third, the first is iffy and the second is no where close to him. Hmm...maybe Yuschenko. He is popular, particularly outside his country, I don't know much about him, and he is President of Ukraine. Although the second part is mostly because I haven't researched him; I'm sure his background is available online.

[Protogod]

dragon...i noticed that you have taken to just posting the exact same thing on warboards and sc.org...wtf?

[DragonPaladin]

I remember, that the Jews and Muslim will have a long war to settle this. It's also a sign of the apolcalyse.

That was an accident. Did you not see the whoops? The spacing was messed up..still....

[Schwitzer]

This isn't up to Intellectual Roundtable standard. It could've been, but a couple of you just aren't posting decent enough posts to warrent it here. I'm moving it to the Members Lounge.

[DeltaForce]

.... Dp, it's 333, not 111

[Ender]

I'm not going to say much, simply because I'm not religious, but I know the stories. Anyway, I'm going to lay out what I understand will be the events (at least some of them) of the Coming of the Antichrist and the end of kind.

God will take up his faithful from the Earth. Those who remain will be left with 7 years (I think) of suffering.

A leader will rise to power through diplomacy, not force. This leader will be incredibly charismatic and able to force his will onto people. This leader will be the AntiChrist.

A few of the events that will happen on this planet: A massive, worldwide war, a worldwide earthquake, a meteor named Wormwood will crash into the planet and poison 1/3 of our freshwater, the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse will come.

Those are the things I specifically remember, although there are many more. At some point, that great leader I mentioned will be assassinated, but then will be resurrected in good-old Christian fashion and truly become the Beast. At this point the Beast will mark his followers with the sign of the Beast, and anyone not carrying the sign will be killed, imprisoned, etc. etc. Once these 7 years are up, God will take any new faithful he has and the world will end.

What many of you seem to be forgetting is that the Bible specifies no actual time when all this is to happen. Don't believe me? Get out your Bible and read Revelations. There is NOTHING that says that the Antichrist is coming now. He might not come for a year. Ten years. 100 years. One million years. Chances are, no one is the Antichrist at this point and time, so there is really no point deliberating on it.

Sorry.

[ZeroCross]

Is there any actual point left to this thread?

In any case, if I remember my biblical quotations right, it said the anti-crhist would rise up and declare himself God or something. It would also be a time when food was mass-produces, and all controlled from like, one compnany or one government or something. I also heard that it happened when "microchips in people's hands" technology was starting to become popular or something, which, from what I have heard, does'nt seem to far off.

[Modred]

Chances are, no one is the Antichrist at this point and time, so there is really no point deliberating on it.
A valid point, but it is also possible for the AntiChrist to be alive now. But I must point you to 1 John 2:22, which states that anyone who claims Jesus is not the Christ is an antichrist. Of course, this isn't referring to the guy who will supposedly take over the world, but you could take that to mean there are many antichrists throughout history and the present.

[Kingscrab]

I Believe EnderWiggin is pretty much on the mark.
What ZeroCross said is also correct... I am not sure if it is a "micro-chip" but i heard it was a "sign of the beast" or something like that. Some people have equated that to modern day BAR-CODES...

Of course, there is the Nostrodomus version of all this too:
Something along the lines of "the New City" burning (twin towers?) and 20 years of war following... With the great two northern nations forming an alliance against the "antichrist who wears a blue turban"... After this war, there is suppose to be 1,000 years of peace... This is different from the Biblical interpretation obviously, but i just thought i'd throw that out there....

Granted, it's been a while since i've studied the writings of Nostrodomus so my info is probably REALLY rusty... :concern:

- Kingscrab

[wraizyr]

Partial preterism anybody? That school of thought believes Nero was the anti-Christ, if I remember correctly.

Edit: I myself am not yet sufficiently well-educated in eschatology to form a firm opinion on the subject; fortunately, it doesn't have much immediate practicality anyways. :)

[Ender]

A valid point, but it is also possible for the AntiChrist to be alive now. But I must point you to 1 John 2:22, which states that anyone who claims Jesus is not the Christ is an antichrist. Of course, this isn't referring to the guy who will supposedly take over the world, but you could take that to mean there are many antichrists throughout history and the present.

I didn't say it wasn't possible that the Antichrist isn't alive now. I said it was just as likely that he isn't.

And, in regards to John 2:22 that you mentioned...that makes any aethist, agnostic, or non-christian (the vast majority of the world, mind you) an Antichrist-including myself. So, basically, nonbelievers in Jesus as Christ as essentially linked with the most evil person ever to arise on the planet (according to the Bible)? Don't you think that is a touch on the extreme side of things?

[Basan]

Nice post (nr.10) there, Ender'.

...
Edit: I myself am not yet sufficiently well-educated in eschatology to form a firm opinion on the subject; fortunately, it doesn't have much immediate practicality anyways. :)

As for my opinion on this one, I'll tend to agree with him here (read above quote) and will believe when see it, aka proven.
(Since this isn't in the IR section anymore, ain't gonna further elaborate on it.)

[Modred]

So, basically, nonbelievers in Jesus as Christ as essentially linked with the most evil person ever to arise on the planet (according to the Bible)?
Pretty much. Although it seems as though an anti-Christ would not necessarily be evil, being literaly opposed to Christ. However if we assume God and Jesus are good, then those who oppose good generally, but not always, fall under evil. Depends on perspective (but point well taken).

[Radical_Edward]

Here it is! I was just looking at this a few days ago. I wanted to learn more about the Apocalypse and well it lead me here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti_christ

[DragonPaladin]

Well, isn't the Anti-christ like the false Messiah? He leads everyone away from God except the faithful. And so on...You know what would be scary. If a really devout catholice is the Anti-Christ because what he believes is a LITTLE different from what the bible teaches?

[Dark_Soul74]

Being the Anti-Christ would be such a cool job.

[Modred]

Being the Anti-Christ would be such a cool job.
I'm hiring. Apply via PM or Email. Include at least two references.

Well, isn't the Anti-christ like the false Messiah? He leads everyone away from God except the faithful. And so on...You know what would be scary. If a really devout catholice is the Anti-Christ because what he believes is a LITTLE different from what the bible teaches?
Well, anyone can lead people away from God. But not everyone is going to bring about the apocalypse.

[Ender]

Pretty much. Although it seems as though an anti-Christ would not necessarily be evil, being literaly opposed to Christ. However if we assume God and Jesus are good, then those who oppose good generally, but not always, fall under evil. Depends on perspective (but point well taken).

Well, the Bible clearly states that after the Antichrist is killed about halfway through the Tribulations (the seven years after the first return of Jesus when he takes the faithful to Heaven), he will be reborn, and the Beast will be present inside him. In layman's terms, Satan actually inhabits his body, and let's face it: Satan is evil, therefore the Antichrist (at least for the last half of the Tribulations) is definitely evil.

Well, isn't the Anti-christ like the false Messiah? He leads everyone away from God except the faithful. And so on...You know what would be scary. If a really devout catholice is the Anti-Christ because what he believes is a LITTLE different from what the bible teaches?

Two things wrong with this. A) You say that the AC would leave everyone away from God, except the faithful. Isn't that kind of redundant? The faithful are already faithful, and the unfaithful are already unfaithful. He isn't taking them away from God; they've already reached that point.

B) A REALLY devout Catholic has no different beliefs than what the Bible teaches whatsoever. And let's not forget about the other Christian religions here.

[DragonPaladin]

"There is no teacher but the enemy. No one but the enemy will tell you what the enemy is going to do. No one but the enemy will ever teach you how to destroy and conquer. Only the enemy shows you where you are weak. Only the enemy shows you where he is strong

Where does that come from? I've heard of it but... Oh well, yea. Well, the Anti-Christ is suppose to be really famous and stuff. Have large support.

How about signs of the apolcalyse?

[Sikawtic]

Lucifer (which means the morning sun or something cheerful like that, isn't that weird?) is the anti-christ. He has been, and will be... but this time, he'll be in the form of a human, and pursuade the world to follow him into the "perfect life" which may include longer life, less crime, etc etc. This isn't set in stone, it's just a theory I've heard about and I believe it may be close to the truth.

But... a REAL interesting topic, is Lucifer. His background is amazing. The most powerful, handsome General of the Armies of God. The highest ranked Being in the universe excluding God himself. This guy stood in front of the holy Legions of God before Earth came, he was their commander. Think about that. He was almost a demi-god in his own right, compared to us he was.

He wanted the great story of life to have a new main character however... that one being himself. He wasn't happy enough at being the commander of all but the holy Trinity. He wanted it all. So he pursuaded 1/3 of the angels to join him, "and there was war in heaven" (some verse excerpt). The holy Arc Angel Michael, second in command of the holy Legion of angels, took up God's blade made for him, and became the new commander.

The two battled just like in all the movies we all watch. Michael got the upper hand using his superior weaponry, and slashed a whole side of Satan. That's some fantasy stuff there... I don't see how ppl think the Bible and stuff is so boring... that's an awesome tale...

Next time on Rambling On: A king gets a short sword plunged within the folds of his fat. (a story from the bible).

Sorry I strayed from the topic... it was just a lil bit though ^_^

[Protosschick99]

The Anti-Christ.

Hmmm--It really isn't our place to know these things about the end of the world until it actually does happen. Ppl somehow "hear a prophetic word from heaven" saying that they were told when Jesus was coming causing Christians old and new to leave their jobs, build shelters, and save everything they have to a stock pile because they want to be prepared for His coming.

--Talk about whack, lolz. The Bible says clearly that no man on this earth knoweth of Christ's coming. Only God knows Himself--Not even Jesus knows! He says so Himself. All I know is that Jesus is coming soon. That's all we're allowed to know.

If you want to know more about the rapture--I suggest reading the series "Left Behind" or if you want some hard core reading, Revelation from the Bible. Now that's some hardcore stuff :P

Anywayz, for any of you who are curious about certain events happening that do lead up to the rapture. I can tell you this for sure: The mark of the beast is already in it's beginning stages. They have already started giving it out to ppl in Europe. It's in the form of a barcode. Each nation was going to put the color of their flags in their barcode but that became too much of a hassel so they just stuck their colors together making it one.

The barcode is currently being administered on pplz hands or foreheads. Right now they are taking volunteers, but pretty soon it will be required. As for the anti-christ--Get a load of this ppl: Over in Brussels, they have already erected a solid gold statue, a faceless one at that; and on the bottom of the statue reads something like this: Here is the man that will lead the world into the new Roman Empire. Basically--The One World Leader the Bible mentions aka The Anti-Christ.

Also, from what I understand--It is already illegal to preach in the "Name of Jesus" over in Europe. Can you believe that?? It's illegal to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ?? LOLZ!!! That's funny--Too bad for them though cuz when I get over to Italy, France, and England--I'm soo gonna change those nations for God. Those ppl who will be impacted for Christ won't know what hit 'em, lolz :P

So basically--I care not for what's "illegal". I know I'm called to preach there so I will do what God has called me to do. Which is why I have been pushing myself to get in shape cuz I may have to run from the police over there one of these days, lolz.

But don't worry--I'm not leaving now, but I know God is preparing me that's for sure :)

Anywayz--Get ready ya'llz cuz Jesus is coming and the end is near. I know in my spirit that I'll be used as a missionary to gather up the harvest that is coming. What is "The Harvest"? The Harvest that I am referring to is the souls that will come to Christ in the last days before Jesus comes. There will be a great multitude all over the world. It'll begin in the United States but spread all over the earth. Laugh now if ya want, I'm used to it. But I don't care--God is my priority and I know He reigns! I'm telling you all what I know because I know that you need to know.

Btw, don't think that I am judging any of you in anyway--That's not my style. Who am I to judge you? I'm not Jesus, lolz. A Christian is one who loves on others--Basically, they walk in love and live right. They don't say "Jesus is Lord!" and "I'm Christian!" And then go off into a bar and get drunk and begin to curse up a storm. A Christian doesn't judge others because they are different or tell ppl they are going to burn in hell by yelling in their faces. No--That my friends, is no Christian. You can tell who is Christian by the way they talk, the way they present themselves, the way they act. There is always something different about someone who lives right and isn't ashamed of the gospel. They have that extra something, it's just there! And it's eating at you to find out what it is. I know that same exact feeling.

"What is it about them that makes them so happy? Why are they so different??"

Why? Because they live for God that's why. God changes you as a person. You become different in Christ. I'm living proof. For those of you who were posting with me way back when I was 16 (That's when I came to Blizzforums), I said I was Christian--But did I act like it? Heck NO! I was a hypocrite and I apologize to ya'llz who were there back in the day to see that.

I'm a completely different person in Christ and I'm not ashamed to say it. I wanna share with ya'llz the good news that has come into my life because if you all know what I know...Man that's enough to make ppl shout for joy!

Well, I'll close with this, if any of you have actually read this whole thing :p God had a plan. He had a plan to have you have a relationship with Him. A lot of ppl think that God is there and that's it. He cares ya'llz. He cares about each and every one of you and wants to have a relationship with you. It's you who takes the step though. God won't force you--He's a gentleman. He will only come into your life if you let Him.

I've let Him, and man I sure can tell you that God is good and He does wonders all the time.

[Frattimonde]

Lucifer (which means the morning sun or something cheerful like that, isn't that weird?)(OOC: Not to just bump into the discussion, but I think you mean the "Morningstar".)

[DragonPaladin]

Ok, anyone from Europe confirm what she said?

[Protosschick99]

We got a few peeps from Europe, I was waiting for the same thing, lolz :P

[Kingscrab]

The mark of the beast is already in it's beginning stages. They have already started giving it out to ppl in Europe. It's in the form of a barcode. Each nation was going to put the color of their flags in their barcode but that became too much of a hassel so they just stuck their colors together making it one.

The barcode is currently being administered on pplz hands or foreheads

I'm certainly no authority, but i AM a news junkie and i've never read anything about this... I will do some searching. I am curious... :)

The barcode thing COULD be a reference to the holocost concentration camps... Kinda makes sense to me...

[Ender]

PC, that CAN'T be the mark of the Beast. It would totally go against the Bible's order of things, so either A)the Bible is incorrect or B) it isn't the mark of the Beast.

[singo]

Also, from what I understand--It is already illegal to preach in the "Name of Jesus" over in Europe. Can you believe that?? It's illegal to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ?? LOLZ!!! That's funny--Too bad for them though cuz when I get over to Italy, France, and England--I'm soo gonna change those nations for God. Those ppl who will be impacted for Christ won't know what hit 'em, lolz

Heheheh, good luck, us over here are hugely sceptical of everything (Why we produce good scientists, we dont make good preists for the same reason :P) We, for all intents and purposes started the spread of christianity, a few hundred years later we disowned it. I wasnt aware preaching was Illegal, but it sounds like the kind of thing that brussels would come up with.

The barcode rumor/thing could have sprung from the fact that the middle numbers on ALL barcodes are, yes, three sixes. Something in the bible about when the antichrist comes trade without his mark will be impossible. Got that a few years ago from a lunatic conspiracy theorist who called himself a "substitute teacher" heh, better than real work I suppose, but listening to him made my brain hurt.


Oh, and a while ago I got blessed by a preist outside a bar in liverpool, his co-churchtypeperson was carrying a cross :P, I wont be converting, but its nice to see people making the effort. Even If I wouldnt go out of my way to force my beliefs on others like that (I do it facelessly on Internet forums :D)

[Valjean]

I wouldnt go out of my way to force my beliefs on others like that (I do it facelessly on Internet forums :D)

Singo: YOU ARE THE FACELESS STATUE IN EUROPE THAT PROTOSSCHICK99 MENTIONED THAT MAY OR MAY NOT EXIST. OH GOD.

[singo]

I (and most brits for that matter) dislike being referred to as "Europeans"

Just a point :P

and the statue me?......well, like both Kai and my sig say..."this is the time of the ending, its the dawn of a new world order"

[Valjean]

Point out where I called you European.

[singo]

You called me the statue outside brussels, as brussels is in europe that would make it (and thus me) european in origin.

Besides, it is still a useful thing to know, how not to insult people? It can be a useful skill.

Meh, who cares?, it is still time for a new world order :P...I'm gonna stop that now

[Valjean]

Right...But I never called you European...Although that can be assumed from what I said...

[Protosschick99]

PC, that CAN'T be the mark of the Beast. It would totally go against the Bible's order of things, so either A)the Bible is incorrect or B) it isn't the mark of the Beast.

And why not? The Word of God is never incorrect and yes, it is the mark of the beast in it's beginning stages. Besides, they probably won't force ppl to take it until the rapture has taken place--Ever thought of that? :P

[Basan]

And why not? The Word of God is never incorrect and yes, it is the mark of the beast in it's beginning stages. Besides, they probably won't force ppl to take it until the rapture has taken place--Ever thought of that? :P

Don't make me fetch the "stone'em to death when unfaithfull" arguement and it's eventual righteousness... :poke: *Meh*

As for the "mark of the beast" thing, it slips under to what deity's statue/symbol you revere the most. The cross for (most) Christians, the pentagram for satanics, the six edges star (forgive me for not reminding it's name now) for Hebrews, the buddha statue for Buddhists and all that yada yada. All religions come in and have your pick. :P
Afterall, it's human wanting to know or attribute an image / significate to what we cannot see and/or understand.

As many of you already know am an European, since I live and was born in the same named continent (aka no matter what Singo says, he's one too). :smirk:

And lately (read more than usual), I've been having a few religious 'minor glitches' with folks (count along mormons) preaching their faith door to door, in attempts to convert folks. I didn't asked to be 'saved' yet and prob'ly never will.
Mutual respect for others religious viewpoints is (in my country at least) is a founding pilar to society and should be kept that way, imao. ;)

[Sikawtic]

EDIT: Oooops, my mistake. *deletes this post.

[Valjean]

As for the "mark of the beast" thing, it slips under to what deity's statue/symbol you revere the most. The cross for (most) Christians, the pentagram for satanics, the six edges star (forgive me for not reminding it's name now) for Hebrews, the buddha statue for Buddhists and all that yada yada. All religions come in and have your pick. :P
Afterall, it's human wanting to know or attribute an image / significate to what we cannot see and/or understand.

This paragraph was kind of . . . irrelavant.

[wraizyr]

Don't make me fetch the "stone'em to death when unfaithfull" arguement and it's eventual righteousness... :poke: *Meh*
Bring it on.

To quote a certain symbiotic forum member,"I will end you." :D
I didn't asked to be 'saved' yet and prob'ly never will.
Which from their perspective increases the urgency of reaching out to you. Assuming of course sincere religious motives.

[Ender]

And why not? The Word of God is never incorrect and yes, it is the mark of the beast in it's beginning stages. Besides, they probably won't force ppl to take it until the rapture has taken place--Ever thought of that? :P

Ironically, the first part of your post supports me. The Word of God (the Bible) is never incorrect, therefore I'm right. The mark of the best FIRST APPEARS halfway through the Tribulations, well after the Rapture. Not that people are forced to get it at that point, but it actually is created then, as well as enforced. What you say is over there is not the mark of the Beast. Besides, no one has supported your claim anyways.

[Modred]

The mark of the best FIRST APPEARS halfway through the Tribulations, well after the Rapture.

Prove the Rapture occurs before the Tribulations (not with hard evidence, you know what I mean). As far as I know, it cannot be done with the Bible alone. Some unnamed and possibly made up scholars argue the Rapture could occur mid-Tribulation or even afterward.

Also, from what I understand--It is already illegal to preach in the "Name of Jesus" over in Europe. Can you believe that?? It's illegal to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ?? LOLZ!!! That's funny--Too bad for them though cuz when I get over to Italy, France, and England--I'm soo gonna change those nations for God. Those ppl who will be impacted for Christ won't know what hit 'em, lolz
As far as I know, it isn't illegal to preach in Jesus' name. I'm not from Europe, but I do know about a case in Sweden a few months ago. A pastor taught a sermon about homosexuality and was arrested for hate speech. The problem is the article didn't provide a copy of his story, so it could have been the most bigoted sermon in the history of Christianity. Just because it's based on the Bible doesn't mean it stays true to the Bible, you know? Anyway, he was arrested for his message on homosexuality, not for being a Christian.

Anywayz--Get ready ya'llz cuz Jesus is coming and the end is near.
Come on PC. People have been saying that for centuries. Forgive my skepticism, but I doubt it'll happen in our lifetime. If Jesus does come back, too bad for all those who didn't repent. It isn't as though they would have sincerely repented had they known.

Anyway, I can't seem to figure out where the whole 666 being the mark of the beast came from. It isn't in the Bible, I'm quite sure. Perhaps someone could enlighten me.

[wraizyr]

Come on PC. People have been saying that for centuries.
coughthessalonianscough

:D

[Ender]

Prove the Rapture occurs before the Tribulations (not with hard evidence, you know what I mean). As far as I know, it cannot be done with the Bible alone. Some unnamed and possibly made up scholars argue the Rapture could occur mid-Tribulation or even afterward.

Modred, just so you know, I'm an agnostic. I do not remotely believe in the Bible. I'm just pointing out what the Bible says, and since PC says the Word of God can't be wrong...well, I'm using her own stuff against her mostly.

Come on PC. People have been saying that for centuries. Forgive my skepticism, but I doubt it'll happen in our lifetime. If Jesus does come back, too bad for all those who didn't repent. It isn't as though they would have sincerely repented had they known.

I agree.

Anyway, I can't seem to figure out where the whole 666 being the mark of the beast came from. It isn't in the Bible, I'm quite sure. Perhaps someone could enlighten me.

I heard something once. I don't recall exactly, but the number started off as 2666 and it meant something bad, but somehow it got changed to 666...I don't know, I'll shut up.

[Protosschick99]

Omg Modred do I have to bust out Revelations for you?? :P

Revelations 13:16-18 - "16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666."

[singo]

Okay, so why is what will come to pass (If the bible is to be believed) written in the past tense?

[wraizyr]

Okay, so why is what will come to pass (If the bible is to be believed) written in the past tense?
1. I believe that Revelation was written from a vision of heaven, which is timeless.
2. Again, there are schools of thought that say the events in Revelation have already taken place.

[Valjean]

PC, do you have a news link of some sort telling about this Mark of the Beast in Europe?

[Protosschick99]

I'll see if I can dig one up for ya'llz. :)

[singo]

1. I believe that Revelation was written from a vision of heaven, which is timeless.
2. Again, there are schools of thought that say the events in Revelation have already taken place.

Well, if its option 2) then it something has gone wrong and would not there be records OTHER than the bible?

[wraizyr]

Well, if its option 2) then it something has gone wrong and would not there be records OTHER than the bible?
Sorry, I'm not sure I understand you, could you please clarify?

[Protosschick99]

Btw, here's what the barcode looks like:

http://www.ananova.com/images/news/euroflag410x283.jpg


ALSO! The computer that will process all the information from these things being stuck into our foreheads or hands is called....Check this out--The Beast. Here's a clip from an article:

"It is interesting that Brussels, Belgium has remained on the forefront of computer technology--possessing for decades vast computers (http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=COMPUTERS) (one originally nicknamed "the beast" for its massive size which covered several city blocks) which are able to hold information on billions of individuals. More recently, Belgium has aspirations for (and--according to Newsweek--will have by 1997) a massive super-computer able to process 1 trillion pieces of information per second.

They are also calling it the "BEAST"--an acronym for "Belgian Electronic Accounting Surveillance Terminal". (‘Accounting Surveillance’ are the two words which really jump out!) They seem to have an affinity for that name."

Pretty crazy huh?

[singo]

Heh, I bet they selected that name just to laugh at the conspiracy and apocalypse theories that would spring up....

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand you, could you please clarify?

If the events in revelation have ALREDADY happened, would it not have been recorded?


And dont say "in the bible" I specified sources OTHER than that....

[Ender]

Yeah, but that isn't the mark of the Beast meaning the Antichrist or Satan, and you know it.

Besides, that article is 8 years old. Basically, if that IS the mark of the Beast, then the Bible is totally wrong, because the tribulations are only 7 years long.

Woot, Bible contradictions abound!

[Valjean]

Btw, here's what the barcode looks like:

http://www.ananova.com/images/news/euroflag410x283.jpg


ALSO! The computer that will process all the information from these things being stuck into our foreheads or hands is called....Check this out--The Beast. Here's a clip from an article:

"It is interesting that Brussels, Belgium has remained on the forefront of computer technology--possessing for decades vast computers (http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=COMPUTERS) (one originally nicknamed "the beast" for its massive size which covered several city blocks) which are able to hold information on billions of individuals. More recently, Belgium has aspirations for (and--according to Newsweek--will have by 1997) a massive super-computer able to process 1 trillion pieces of information per second.

They are also calling it the "BEAST"--an acronym for "Belgian Electronic Accounting Surveillance Terminal". (‘Accounting Surveillance’ are the two words which really jump out!) They seem to have an affinity for that name."

Pretty crazy huh?

Here's a link to the whole article:

http://www.insiidetrack.com/EUnion.htm

[SpeedyWorm1]

Antichrist=Person who will rise to power during the tribulation.
666=time something REALLY BAD happens but i forget what i'll edit it in later
Mark of the beast=The mark of the antichrist if you take it you ar condemmed and can never be saved.


Read the Left Behind Seiries by Jenkins/Lehaye


BTW antichrist=Possesed by Satan after he [rises from the dead by satans power]

Then after 3 1/2 more years or so satan gets wiped out and then.............................................. ...........

[Basan]

Bring it on.

To quote a certain symbiotic forum member,"I will end you."

*Lol* Btw, who's he / she? :o

And do ya recall a "who never sinned throw the 1st stone" do ya? Those were my 'guiding' lines here... and you do love 'clashing' with me in the religious field do ya? (Me too, sorta.) ;)

Which from their perspective increases the urgency of reaching out to you. Assuming of course sincere religious motives.

Bah, I had Christian background raising and never get tired of commenting it here. So, I do know what both sides are relevant to pick with, since I went into the atheists' path for a lil' while before ending up agnostic. And in my view it sure pays off better to be atheist than Christian theist, since morals don't forcefully have a religious backbone. ;)

And meh, whennever I hear that sentence it always reminds me of the Inquisition's 'sincerity'... :(

Here's a link to the whole article:

http://www.insiidetrack.com/EUnion.htm

Rest assure that I'll check upon it later on. (And obviously feedback it later.)
Now, I'm reading another article that 'someone' *Cough*Wrayzir*Cough* provided in other thread around in the IR 'arena'. :)

[wraizyr]

Well crap, sorry Singo, I completely forgot about this.
Heh, I bet they selected that name just to laugh at the conspiracy and apocalypse theories that would spring up....I know I would've



If the events in revelation have ALREDADY happened, would it not have been recorded?
And dont say "in the bible" I specified sources OTHER than that....
Not being a preterist myself, I'll have to do some research on the topic before I can reply to you. (Unless you're satisfied with me making up "facts") Unfortunately, my school schedule for the next 1.5 weeks is too insane for in depth research of the necessary type. I'll try to remember to do it after that and get back to you, but if I forget, just drop me a pm.
Btw, who's he / she? :o
Carnage.
And do ya recall a "who never sinned throw the 1st stone" do ya? Those were my 'guiding' lines here... and you do love 'clashing' with me in the religious field do ya? (Me too, sorta.) ;) I'm not casting stones, I'm engaging in debate. (And I do take the stone thing to refer to acts other than just literal stoning ;))

And meh, whennever I hear that sentence it always reminds me of the Inquisition's 'sincerity'... :(Yeah, but you don't know the motive of said religious people; I imagine they vary from Inquisition-ish to very sincere.

[Basan]

I'm not casting stones, I'm engaging in debate. (And I do take the stone thing to refer to acts other than just literal stoning ;))

Eh, I know that you're actually nitpicking with me. Count me in for the same deal... *Hopes this relieves the mood around betweeen us* ;)

Nowadays it could be interpreted that way... I would have. :)
But since those were spoken and meant in the ol' days where they were a 'tad' more linear in the line of expressing themselves, I'll have to keep with the straight interpretation. Call me a 'poor hermeneutic' (on this one)... :smirk:

Yeah, but you don't know the motive of said religious people; I imagine they vary from Inquisition-ish to very sincere.

Alas from personal experience those were mostly, if not always, from the 1st kind. Sorta imposing their way... :concern:
Perhaps sometime in due time, I can be shown otherwise... altough from what I've seen seriously doubt it.

[JoEsMhOe]

Malachy had some Prophecies about the last ten http://www.crystalinks.com/papalprophecies.html


1. The Burning Fire. PIUS X. 1903-1914. This Pope showed a burning passion for spiritual renewal in the Church.

2. Religion Laid Waste. BENEDICT XV. 1914-1922. During this Pope's reign saw Communism move into Russia where religious life was laid waste, and World War I with the death of millions of Christians who were carnage in Flanders Field and elsewhere.

3. Unshaken Faith. PIUS XI. 1922-1939. This Pope faced tremendous pressure from fascist and sinister powers in Germany and Italy, but he was an outspoken critic of Communism and Fascism which enraged Hitler.

4. An Angelic Shepherd. PIUS XII. 1939-1958. This Pope had an affinity for the spiritual world and received visions which have not been made public. Peter Bander says Pius XII "has emerged as one of the great Popes of all time," and he "was in the truest sense of the word an Angelic Pastor to the flock..."

5. Pastor and Mariner. JOHN XXIII. 1958-1963. John was a pastor to the world, much beloved, and the Patriarch of Venice. The connection to "mariner" is thus remarkable.

6. Flower of Flowers. PAUL VI. 1963-1978. Paul's coat-of-arms depicts three fleurs-de-lis, corresponding to Malachay's prophecy. His coat of arms included three fleurs-de-lis (iris blossoms).

7. Of the Half Moon. JOHN PAUL I. 1978-1978. John Paul I was elected Pope on August 26, 1978, when there was a half moon. He reigned 33 days, that is, about one month, when he died, although many think he was murdered. He was the 109th Pope - is "De Medietate Lunae" (Of the Half Moon). The corresponding pope was John Paul I (1978-78), who was born in the diocese of Belluno (beautiful moon) and was baptized Albino Luciani (white light). He became pope on August 26, 1978, when the moon appeared exactly half full. It was in its waning phase. He died the following month, soon after an eclipse of the moon.

8. The Labor of the Son. JOHN PAUL II. 1978-2005. Pope John Paul II was the most traveled Pope in history. He circled the globe numerous times, preaching to huge audiences everywhere he went. He survived an assassination attempt. He has written a book which has enjoyed a large circulation. Like the sun which never ceases to labor and provides light daily, this Pope has been incessant. He was born on May 18, 1920. On that date in the morning there was a near total eclipse of the sun over Europe. Prophecy - The 110th Pope is "De Labore Solis" (Of the Solar Eclipse, or, From the Toil of the Sun). Like the sun he came out of the East (Poland).

9. The Glory of the Olive. The Order of St. Benedict has said this Pope will come from their order. It is interesting that Jesus gave his apocalyptic prophecy about the end of time from the Mount of Olives. This Pope will reign during the beginning of the tribulation Jesus spoke of. The 111th prophesy is "Gloria Olivae" (The Glory of the Olive). The Order of Saint Benedict has claimed that this pope will come from their ranks. Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil.

10. PETER THE ROMAN - This final Pope will likely be Satan, taking the form of a man named Peter who will gain a worldwide allegiance and adoration. He will be the final antichrist which prophecy students have long foretold. If it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived. The 112th prophesy states: "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Petrus Romanus, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End."

Malachy's final words, "Rome, the seat of the Vatican, will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people."

[wraizyr]

Eh, I know that you're actually nitpicking with me.
I'm quite serious. Casting stones here would be like flaming or something, not debating aggresively.

But since those were spoken and meant in the ol' days where they were a 'tad' more linear in the line of expressing themselves, I'll have to keep with the straight interpretation.Do you really think that in that event (you do know the situation the phrase came from, right?), had the pharisees instead been about to strangle the women, Jesus would've been cool with that?

Call me a 'poor hermeneutic' (on this one)... :smirk:
Thank you, I believe I shall. :)

Alas from personal experience those were mostly, if not always, from the 1st kind. Sorta imposing their way... :concern: Interesting article (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/spaninq.html) I found on the topic, claims that there was actually some valid reason for starting the Inquisition.

It is harsh and, i feel, an arrogant assumption that gays have commited a wrongdoing by simply existing and that they must atone for it somehow. That's not the Christian claim, the Christian claim is that they feel a tendency towards an act of wrongdoing. They cannot atone for it(It, along with all their other shortcomings is simply too great), so God atoned for it.

(and i swear... SpeedyWorm, if you tell me to read the bible for an answer, i will friggin' come through this PC and SMACK you back to Genesis!) :mad2:I suspect that if you go through the pc, your internet will become somewhat less than functional. Nevertheless, I wish you luck in this endeavour.

[Kingscrab]

I suspect that if you go through the pc, your internet will become somewhat less than functional. Nevertheless, I wish you luck in this endeavour.
LOL! Thanks. :)
Where there's a will, there's a way...

[LordAhriman]

I don't know if Wraizyr or some other Christian with any degree of intelligence has said this yet, but the Bible, Revelations included, actually makes no reference to the "anti-Christ" as a human being. Revelations actually contains no mention of the "anti-Christ" at all.

[wraizyr]

I don't know if Wraizyr or some other Christian with any degree of intelligence has said this yet, but the Bible, Revelations included, actually makes no reference to the "anti-Christ" as a human being. Revelations actually contains no mention of the "anti-Christ" at all.Not under the name of "anti-Christ"(though there are referrences to antichrists I believe). However Anti-Christ is a term used for the figure described in Thessalonians 2, the Man of Lawlessness.

[Drone]

This isn't up to Intellectual Roundtable standard. It could've been, but a couple of you just aren't posting decent enough posts to warrent it here. I'm moving it to the Members Lounge.Are we being graded here? Describe "standard"

[Black.Ice]

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