Using Computer to Train??

[Yaqoob]

Hey..

Please don't get me wrong, I play against Human players all the time on Lost Temple, and the likes, but I am refering to getting fast, I mean I play Protoss, and I am a bit slow with them, but I would like to play Terran, but when I play Terran I get crushed, so I mean playing computer to practice speed, or is it just me, or is actaully excuting a good Terran Push, take speed, alot of Micro, and Macro, so I want to get better at excuting the Push properly..(Mines/Tank Setup/Turrets + Macro of Units) so wouls be playing the computer to gain the speed in these tasks a bad ideal..???

I play Terran and Protoss, and I like playing them both, and switch back and forth, between them, but usually if my opponent is Terran then I choose Protoss, so if he does a Push and I lose, then I can watch the Replay, and such, and if he chooses Protoss, then I choose Terran so I can try to excute a Push and learn how to properly play them, and I know Terran is not all about "Pushing"..

If you guys could post successful Terran pushes, early in the game..(First 10 Mins) then that would be nice, I mean I am trying to improve my early game, so a nice early Terran push in the early game..

Actually, I have a couple replays of Terran Pushes, but the best I have is the one I will attach, and I have another question, this replay is between Boxer (1/2 Terran)) and a Protoss Player by the name of Nazgul (Powerhouse) or something like that, this Slayer_Boxer or Boxer_Slayer whichever it is, is this the "Boxer" that everyone keeps talking about..Anyways I am going to post 2 Replays, one where Boxer is succesful in his Push, and one where he isn't...

Lastly, some people were saying in another Thread that they used the computer for a 3v1 TvP Terran Push, so maybe they could post that, or something similar 2v1 TvP Terran Push...but I know computers are stupid, and playing them can be useless, and I do watch Progamer replays...

Thanks..

[Ahzz]

Training speed against cpus... not so good idea. The cpus are not really good, and secondly, again playing against human players improved you speed ALOT. Atleast much more than against cpus :). Some special computers might give more of a challenge. What version of stracraft do you use? Just thought that I have made a computer ( zerg) what might make rather good challenge for newbieish players :) Much better than blizzards...I also have an protoss AI... It is REALLY good IMO blocking terran pushes of newbies (well not too noob) and defending. The stupid thing in it is, that it just turtles. It expands once a 2 mins or smthing like that, so it makes huge amount of bases. It most likely will only attack when you've all dead or run out of resources. :/

[MidnightGladius]

Yeah, I once found an AI that would do these rediculous worker rushes. Unfortuneately, it got lost when I was formatting my hard drive. But seriously, that was hilarious (watching ~10 scvs run into your base and promptly own everything there). The micro was absolutely amazing.

If you're practicing terran pushes, don't go against normal BW AI. It'll do a large attack in the beginning and then sit there for the rest of the game. Human practice is a lot better in that respect.

[Yaqoob]

Anyways, I have an AI Upgrade..(Racines Insane AI), but I haven't played it yet...

Secondly, those replays I posted, are they the legendary Boxer..??

Thirdly, anyone actually have good replays that I asked for..(Pushes that were successful in the early game)

[Yaqoob]

So, does anyone have an answer to my question..(about the replays I posted, if they belong to the Player "Boxer"

Secondly, the Replays I asked for...

[Ahzz]

Those most likely are from the legendary boxer.

The racines AI is different than my AI

No, I do not have any pushing reps atm

[ReD_ICE]

i have some push replays, but they're mostly corrupted...so...too bad

[hidiho2]

Don't train vs. comps unless your practicing your build strategy or seeing how fast you can tech. Comps' AI can become very screwed up, I've played a game where a computer did nothing but get a gateway, to a computer that killed my friend and I 2v1 while compstomping.

[unlov3D]

if you email me @ railking6@yahoo.com ill send you a pvt micro map that comes in the 8882 mappack. it has a pretty good push u can train on to get faster. the pvt has lots of little mini scenerios built in to train different unit micro. and i have a tvp to train terran unit micro. those help me to get faster. if you really wanna get good and its not gonna happen overnight. study build orders and learn to scout your azz off. and always always use hotkeys. a little trick i do to get my apm up is get my drone inside the other guys base and see how long i can keep him alive. im constantly hitting hotkeys during this. and my first 4 drones i try to get them all to deliver their first load at the same time. thats harder than u think too. gl

[Cpt.Chronic]

Lastly, some people were saying in another Thread that they used the computer for a 3v1 TvP Terran Push, so maybe they could post that, or something similar 2v1 TvP Terran Push...but I know computers are stupid, and playing them can be useless, and I do watch Progamer replays...

Thanks.. I was the one that said that and it did indeed help me learn how to push, but I didn't save any of the replays. Pushing against 3 comps is still much easier than pushing against 1 human-controlled protoss.

Pushes in the first ten minutes are really only possible if you build marines from 1 rax because otherwise the protoss will have enough units to stop a small-scale push. The most successful version of an early push is called a gundam rush where you build about 4 marines, get seige and mine upgrade first and build a bunker just outside his choke with seige tanks, mines and turrets. You should also have a floating building to spot up the cliff for your tanks. This build can be countered by a good reaver drop or dt drop in your main so you may want to set some mines where he would most likely drop and if its a dt drop put mines around turrets in your main.

Otherwise, pushes come a bit later in the game once you have enough tanks to beat his army, even if it is larger than yours. In this situation there are two types of pushes: fast push and slow push. There are pros and cons to both. A slow push is extremely safe vs any and every toss ground unit, but it gives them time to expand and tech to carriers or arbiters, which can spell serious trouble for the terran. A fast push allows you to pressure the protoss and limit his expansions, and thus he won't have enough money to build carriers. The risk here is that in order to fast push you have to seige your tanks where they are, which usually means they'll be grouped. If the toss reacts fast enough he can drop zealots/dts on grouped tanks before your turrets get up, as well as storm the groups of tanks. Fast pushing takes better microing (vultures sniping high templars, faster laying of mines) and knowing the location of his army so you can set mines in the proper spot(s).

I'm sure I have some tank push games saved. I'll post 1 or two when I get home.

[skyglow1]

Play TvP and PvT against the insane version of the AI. If you can easily beat it in TvP using puish, youre sussed for your push.

skyglow1

[Ahzz]

It still sucks alot. You cannot measure "beating 7 insane comps" to an human player. The insane comps just send their units to death, without proper micro, and such. They dont know how to expand secretly, but just send a probe, which is shot down by a tank. I'm sure even with my T I could beat an insane with tank push within... 5-10 minutes. or earlier. Cannot say it really, never tried it. Probably gonna do so someday.

[MidnightGladius]

I once beat a terran insane 1v1 PvT by building an assimilator on the gas. The BO screwed up and all they had was one marine. Then I rushed with the two zealots i had. GG

[Cpt.Chronic]

Congratulations.

[ReD_ICE]

lol..

[ZeroCross]

Frankly, it's only best to play the computer so you get a firm grip on what the units can do, and what they are capible of on a basic level. Humans are so much better at finding weaknesses and strengths than the computer, because they learn, computer AI's can't adapt nearly as well as a human can.

[Hayley]

Unless you have no internet access or something, it's much much better to play against real people. Don't worry about losing or trying something new in the game, your record doesn't matter very much, and if it does to you, you can always make a different account for trying things out :)

[skyglow1]

Mmm if you give the computer a chance, instead of attacking its building then running with your scout, or taking its gas, then its actually quite hard, unless im missing somehting here and I'm just a noob. v3.0 TvP is really hard for me and I have to go to an hour long game to beat the carriers with a push. 2v1 is even harder and will test your ability to macro.

And as hayley said, comps cant replace humans because theyre much better to play against.

skyglow1