Diplomacy - 1600 (Ended)

[OboeGuru]

First variant game! Woo-hoo!

Same rules as original Diplo apply.

Use of the 4 canals is as follows: The fleet must move to the province it is connected to by canal before moving out to sea. This means that the following MUST happen:
F Novgorod -> Ingria
F Voronezj -> Crimea
F Cracow -> Bessarabia
F Warsaw -> Pmr.

There are 9 powers in this game and I am one.
There are currently NO openings in this game.

Player list:
OboeGuru
madman5
Werewolf91
ChairsSobD
TheGreatBrain
Subjukator
BlackHawk
Fenguin
Modred

Nation assgignments:
Poland - Subjukator
Sweden - Werewolf91
Denmark - BlackHawk
England - madman5
France - Modred
Spain - TheGreatBrain
Habsburg Empire - Fenguin
Ottoman Empire - OboeGuru
Russia - ChairsSobD

[Shinigami]

Pick me! :D

[madman5]

Ill join :)

[Mtank]

edit: sorry..wanted to be in but realised that time zone differences will cause problems...damn. :cry:

[Valjean]

OOO!!! ME! I wanna be in it!! ^_^ O_O ^_^

[ChairsSobD]

PICK ME
PICK ME!

Okay, just sign me up.

[TheGreatBrain]

Oh, I'll SO play. :)

[Subjukator]

Thy hath joined thee Diplomacy game!

[BlackHawk]

In!!! (if it's not too late).

[OboeGuru]

Two more everybody!!!

[Fenguin]

I'll play. Even though I got my ass kicked in the previous game :D

[OboeGuru]

Naw, you didn't get your ass kicked, you just got off to a bad start.

Now you have a little experience under your belt. :D

EDIT: Come on guys, one more!!!

[Valjean]

Ill join :)
or maybe zero? @.@

[OboeGuru]

Ah, thank you, I missed the edit.

Poland - Subjukator
Sweden - Werewolf91
Denmark - BlackHawk
England - Shinigami
France - madman5
Spain - TheGreatBrain
Habsburg Empire - Fenguin
Ottoman Empire - OboeGuru
Russia - ChairsSobD

http://diplomacy.oboeguru.net/1600/pre-movement.gif

First orders due Thursday night. Be merry and make war.

[Shinigami]

En... England? Oh for Christ's sake! I'm going to be the real king of England at this rate. *Sigh*

England extends alliance proposals to Denmark, France, Poland and the Habsburg Empire.

[OboeGuru]

Sorry Shini, it just worked out that way. Hehehehe...

Ottoman Empire extends alliance proposals to Spain and Russia.

[BlackHawk]

Woah, map is small, meh. Should be interesting though, and a nice change from the 'regular' diplo, good find Oboe :).

And Denmark accepts Englands alliance.

[Valjean]

Okay, I've sent my alliance/NAP offers and my move orders. I'm all set. :)

[madman5]

yeah france accepts englands alliance and exstends an alliance to the great mother russia

[Subjukator]

Poland wishes for alliances with Russia and Hapsburg Empire with NAP Denmark. :)

Accepts English alliance.

[TheGreatBrain]

Spain offers alliances to the Habsburg Empire, and to England, and a NAP with Denmark.

Spain accepts the Ottoman Alliance proposal.

[Fenguin]

Habsburg Empire accepts alliances with Spain and England.

[Shinigami]

England accepts Spain's offer.

[TheGreatBrain]

Ignore.

[Subjukator]

Should have made the deadline Wednesday :\

[OboeGuru]

People can turn them in whenever they want to. If I get them all in before the deadline, I'll release the map before the deadline.

As it stands, I have not received orders from Shinigami, madman5, or you Subjukator.

[madman5]

ok i take a county next to me on the ah...left

a npc country

[OboeGuru]

wtf? Do you even know how to play Diplo???

[Modred]

The US nukes Turkey for starting this game when he was away from home. :p

[Shinigami]

Oh shit, it's the cops!

England
F London - North Sea
A Wales - York
F Ireland - North Atlantic Ocean

[OboeGuru]

As for not making the deadline tonight, I wanted to leave time for everybody to formulate a general strategy and form alliances/NAPs.

Plus, I didn't know how much free time I would have this week so I shoved the deadline back to when I knew I would. In the future, my deadlines will be shorter; typically 2 days, 3 tops. Except if I'm out of town or something, which may or may not be the case next week, I'm not sure.

Anyways, the list shortens. madman5, I suggest you take a crash course in submitting Diplo orders. I find it ironic how the one person that has complained about the deadline being too late is one of the two without orders in... :annoy;:

[Fenguin]

Yo, where's the map? ;)

[OboeGuru]

*cough*thursdaynight*cough*

Unless all the orders get in, that is... Why don't you be more productive and harass the slackers?

Geez, so impatient, don't get on the GM's bad side... :annoy: ;)

[/spam]

[Subjukator]

*cough*thursdaynight*cough*

Unless all the orders get in, that is... Why don't you be more productive and harass the slackers?

Geez, so impatient, don't get on the GM's bad side... :annoy: ;)

[/spam]

You gotta be harsh man! If those slackers don't submit their orders in time, then go on without them!

And I always turn my orders in the last day in case one of my allies decides to do something, I'll be able to alter mine appropiately.

Edit: Orders PMed :)

[BlackHawk]

As for not making the deadline tonight, I wanted to leave time for everybody to formulate a general strategy and form alliances/NAPs.

Plus, I didn't know how much free time I would have this week so I shoved the deadline back to when I knew I would. In the future, my deadlines will be shorter; typically 2 days, 3 tops. Except if I'm out of town or something, which may or may not be the case next week, I'm not sure.

Anyways, the list shortens. madman5, I suggest you take a crash course in submitting Diplo orders. I find it ironic how the one person that has complained about the deadline being too late is one of the two without orders in... :annoy;:

Madman, I suggest this (http://ry4an.org/diptutor/) tutorial, explains everything nicely.

[OboeGuru]

And I always turn my orders in the last day in case one of my allies decides to do something, I'll be able to alter mine appropiately.
You can always post or PM updated orders. Just make sure I know that they are the ones to use and not the previous ones.

Edit: Future reference guys, it would help me if you put the name of your nation/power into the title of PMs.

You have until 9 PM (Central Time) to submit orders, madman5.

[OboeGuru]

OboeGuru's Open
Spring 1601

Poland - Subjukator:
A Cracow-Transylvania
A Warsaw-Cracow
A White Russia-Livonia

[B]Sweden - Werewolf91:
F Stockholm -> Baltic Sea
A Est. -> Livonia
A Finland HOLD
A Ber. -> Stockholm

[B]Denmark - BlackHawk:
F Jut. - Hol
All armies HOLD

England - Shinigami:
F London - North Sea
A Wales - York
F Ireland - North Atlantic Ocean

France - madman5:
No Orders Received.

Spain - TheGreatBrain:
A Cas-Por
F Gra-Western Mediterranean
F Nap-Rom
A Fla-Lor

Hapsburg Empire - Fenguin:
A Austria -> Wes. Hung.
A Cro -> Ven.
A Bohemia -> Bavaria

Ottoman Empire - OboeGuru:
A Egypt -> Libya
A Anatolia -> Armenia
F Constantinople -> Black Sea
A Greece -> Serbia

Russia - ChairsSobD:
A Voronezj - Uralsk
A Moscow - Voronezj
A Novgorod - Pskov

http://diplomacy.oboeguru.net/1600/1601-Spring.gif

Next orders due Sunday.

[Shinigami]

Britain
F North Atlantic Ocean - Scotland
F North Sea Convoy A York - Netherlands
A York - Netherlands

The real reason I don't color my orders is I'm too lazy to find the necessary hex code.

[Modred]

Gami, it's #e4e4e4. :p

[OboeGuru]

From Diplomacy:
Crud, how can I hide my orders, the background isn't black!!!The background color is hex code E4E4E4, so if you wish to post your orders and make them indistinguishable from the background as you did at BlizzForums, simply use [color=#E4E4E4] instead of [color=black].

Did you forget it or something, Shini??? ;)

[TheGreatBrain]

Note to Ottomans: I don't want North Africa.

DENMARK, how about a NAP?

[ChairsSobD]

Oboe: Can I move Voronezj to Crimea?

[BlackHawk]

Note to Ottomans: I don't want North Africa.

DENMARK, how about a NAP?

Agreed, sorry didn't see your previous post :shiftyr:.

[Subjukator]

Oboe: Can I move Voronezj to Crimea?

I dont see why not unless you get bounced by F Black Sea (Turkey)

[Shinigami]

Aah, that's right. Thanks. :];

Oh, and the map isn't showing up.

[BlackHawk]

Aah, that's right. Thanks. :];

Oh, and the map isn't showing up.

Now it is ;).

[OboeGuru]

Aah, that's right. Thanks. :];

Oh, and the map isn't showing up.
Heh, that's my web server for ya. :)

[Subjukator]

Polish orders sent

[OboeGuru]

Yeah, about that.... build orders are given in the Spring, not the Fall. If you want to revise your orders accordingly, do so.

I still need orders from TheGreatBrain, madman5, and ChairsSobD.

They're due today, folks!

[TheGreatBrain]

Spanish Orders:

A Por Hold
A Rom Hold
A Lor Hold
F Western Mediterranean-Gulf of Lyon

[Subjukator]

Polish orders fixed w/o build :)

[BlackHawk]

We skipping madman5 again?

[OboeGuru]

I'm making the absolute deadline 9 PM (Central) again. If madman5 fails to turn in orders, I will open up his slot as France.

I still need his and ChairsSobD's orders.

[Subjukator]

Arg!!! Mappage Already!!

[Valjean]

*strangles Obe for not making teh map NOW!*

[BlackHawk]

It's 10 EST, so it's gotta be past 9 Central. Come on Oboe! *shows fist*

EDIT: I see him viewing the thread, he must be posting!

/me jumps out of his seat in joy. Sits back down quietly as parents ask what he's doing...

[OboeGuru]

OboeGuru's Open
Fall 1601

Summary:
The Habsburg and Ottoman Empires expand their borders significantly, as does Spain.
Denmark and Poland grow to a lesser extent.
France remains motionless and Russia lies dormant this season.
Sweden invades Polish territory.
England jumps to the mainland

Poland - Subjukator:
A Cracow-Bessarabia (Bounce)
A Transylvania S A Cracow-Bessarabia (Cut)
A White Russia-Mazovia

Sweden - Werewolf91:
F Baltic Sea -> Pru.
A Est. -> Livonia
A Finland HOLD
A Stockholm HOLD

Denmark - BlackHawk:
F Hol - Bre
A Zca - Hol
A Vest HOLD
A Scan HOLD

England - Shinigami:
F North Atlantic Ocean - Scotland
F North Sea Convoy A York - Netherlands
A York - Netherlands

France - madman5:
No Orders Received.
Opened up for new player.

Spain - TheGreatBrain:
A Por Hold
A Rom Hold
A Lor Hold
F Western Mediterranean-Gulf of Lyon

Habsburg Empire - Fenguin:
All HOLD.

Ottoman Empire - OboeGuru:
A Serbia -> Transylvania (Bounce)
F Black Sea -> Bessarabia (Bounce)
A Armenia -> Azerbaijan
A Libya -> North Africa

Russia - ChairsSobD:
No Orders Received.

Builds/Retreats/Disbands:
Poland: 1/-/0
Sweden: 1/-/0
Denmark: 2/-/0
England: 2/-/0
France: 0/-/0
Spain: 3/-/0
Habsburg Empire: 3/-/0
Ottoman Empire: 3/-/0
Russia: 0/-/0

http://diplomacy.oboeguru.net/1600/1601-Fall.gif

Next orders due Wednesday, 9PM (Central). Happy Diplomicating! :)

[BlackHawk]

You forgot to mention how many builds each person gets ;).

[OboeGuru]

Hehe, oops. I knew I was missing something but couldn't put my finger on it...

See what little to no sleep does to a person??? Blah. Now they're there, thanks BlackHawk.

[Subjukator]

Wait a minute, I just noticed something. Oboeguru as GM is also playing Turkey as a player. This gives him an unfair unadvantage no matter how you look at it. When a person sends their orders in, a GMing player knows exactly what a player is doing beforehand. Obviously, this gives an unfair edge to Oboeguru who we thus far can only trust him not to betray his original orders when recieving orders from another player that conflicts with his own interests.

[Valjean]

...and Sub finaly figures it out. :p

Dude, Capt. Hair and Mordred were players and GMs at the same time too. Oboe, Mord, and Capt. are not that low. Just give some trust until things start gettin' sneaky...>_> <_<

[OboeGuru]

If you will so notice, such is the case with the other Diplo game.

I always make my moves first thing after putting up a map. So right now, my moves are made over here. I just choose not to post them for all to see.

I don't change my orders based on what other people do. You can see that evidenced in my last move in the other Diplo. Based on what Fenguin did, my move was stupid. I kept my stupid move despite knowing what Fenguin was doing the same turn.

I wouldn't have started this game if I knew I couldn't trust myself as a GM.

And BTW, I'm not Turkey, I'm the Ottoman Empire. kthxbye.

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Anyways, does anyone know of anyone who'll fill the France slot? Unless madman5 still intends to play, that is...

[Subjukator]

Well, jeez sorry Oboeguru. I didn't mean for you to get agitated towards me with the "kthxbye" comment. :( sorry.

[BlackHawk]

Anyways, does anyone know of anyone who'll fill the France slot?

Nope, but I can advertise :).

[Valjean]

Orders sent. ^_^

[OboeGuru]

Well, jeez sorry Oboeguru. I didn't mean for you to get agitated towards me with the "kthxbye" comment. :( sorry.
My purpose in life is to make you squirm. :D

Nope, but I can advertise :) .
Thankee much.

[Shinigami]

England
A London
A Wales

F North Sea Convoy A London - Fla
A London - Fla
A Netherlands Support A London - Fla
A Wales - Yorkshire
F Scotland - North Atlantic Ocean

[Modred]

I am hesitant to take over France....but wth, I'll go ahead.

France
A Pro-Sav
A Burgundy-F.Co
A Paris-Cha
F Gascony H

France offers friendship to England and the Hapsburgs.

[OboeGuru]

Yay! The spot is filled!

Just a quick PSA that I still need orders from Subjukator, ChairsSobD, and TheGreatBrain.

Tomorrow by 9 PM (CST).

[ChairsSobD]

Russia


A Voronezj - Crimea
A Uralsk - Central Asia

[TheGreatBrain]

Spanish Orders:

A Cas
F Nap
A Fla

A Por-Nav
A Cas-Ara
F Nap-Tyrrhenian Sea
A Rom-Tus
A Fla Hold
A Lor Support A Fla Hold
F Gulf of Lyon Hold

[BlackHawk]

Hurry Oboe, or I'll spit on your driveway...Yea you know it, I'm so gangsta!

[Modred]

I do hope that Oboe plans to make this map before leaving....

[BlackHawk]

I do hope that Oboe plans to make this map before leaving....

Ditto I wanna see it, so I can spend hours devising a masterful plan...:ninjar:

[OboeGuru]

OboeGuru's Open
Spring 1602

Poland - Subjukator:
Builds

A White Russia

Moves

A White Russia S A Mazovia-Pru (Invalid)
A Mazovia-Pru (Bounce)
A Cracow-Warsaw
A Transylvania-Bessarabia

Sweden - Werewolf91:
A Est.

F Pru. HOLD
A Livonia -> White Russia (Bounce)
A Finland HOLD
A Stockholm HOLD
A Est. HOLD

Denmark - BlackHawk:
F Jut
A Zca

F Jut - Skagerrak
F Bre - Mec
A Hol - Bre
A Zea - Hol
A Vest HOLD
A Scan HOLD

England - Shinigami:
A London
A Wales

F North Sea Convoy A London - Fla
A London - Fla (Bounce)
A Netherlands Support A London - Fla
A Wales - Yorkshire
F Scotland - North Atlantic

France - Modred:
A Pro-Sav
A Burgundy-F.Co
A Paris-Cha
F Gascony H

Spain - TheGreatBrain:
A Cas
F Nap
A Fla

A Por-Nav
A Cas-Ara
F Nap-Tyrrhenian Sea
A Rom-Tus
A Fla Hold
A Lor Support A Fla Hold
F Gulf of Lyon Hold

Habsburg Empire - Fenguin:
F Cro
A Boh
A Aus

A West Hung. -> East Hung.
A Boh -> Sax
A Bav S A Boh -> Sax
A Ven -> Tyr
F Cro -> Ven
A Aus -> Slo

Ottoman Empire - OboeGuru:
Build:
A Constantinople
F Greece
A Anatolia

Move:
A Serbia HOLD
A North Africa HOLD
F Black Sea HOLD
A Azerbaijan -> Georgia
A Constantinople -> Bulgaria
F Greece -> Ionian Sea
A Anatolia -> Armenia

Russia - ChairsSobD:
A Voronezj - Crimea
A Uralsk - Central Asia

http://diplomacy.oboeguru.net/1600/1602-Spring.gif

Next orders due Sunday, 9 PM (CST).

[Shinigami]

Sonuvabitch.

France, it's England. Want to ally-up and gangrape Spain?

[ChairsSobD]

RUSSIA

A Pskov - Est
A Crimea Holds
A Central Asia Holds

[TheGreatBrain]

Sonuvabitch.
Yeah, you woulda liked me to be so naive, wouldn't you. :)

[madman5]

I'm Back With Knowledge of This Shit!!!!!!:tup:
:worship: THANX BLACKHAWK, YOU ROX!!!!! :worship:

Madman5
:with:
Not any more:)
France

A Sav H
A F.Co. H
A Cha. H
F Gascony H

[Shinigami]

Yeah, you woulda liked me to be so naive, wouldn't you. :)
I underestimated you, young Skywalker... I will not do so again. :tu:

[Modred]

Dude, madman5 was inactive several times, and now that he's here, all he does is order holds. I demand that I be allowed to keep control of France.

When Oboe decides the right thing to do, yes England, I accept thy offer.

[Valjean]

I agree with Mordred. -_-

and Mordred already gave his orders. If Madman really wanted to play, he'd have come here before Mordred took France. -_-

I vote in favor of Mordred. =P

[Subjukator]

I vote in favor in keeping Modred due to madman5 being inactive for far too many turns.

[ChairsSobD]

Agreed.

[BlackHawk]

I agree, if he's just going to order them to hold all the time, it's the same as surrendering, or just giving them up. Let Modred take over.

[Valjean]

so it's basicaly unanimose (however that's spelled. :p).

Madman -> Out

Mordred -> In

all we need is the finaly blow from Oboe. :D

[TheGreatBrain]

Even the guy who wants to kill him agrees.

[Modred]

Just remember one thing Brain...the English already defeated your precious armada, and soon, he and I shall be taking over your precious colonies in the Americas as well.

Mwahahahahaha!

[OboeGuru]

So yeah, now that I'm back in town and in front of my computer, I decree:

Modred controls France.

Sorry madman5, but cutting out on the game just doesn't fly.

[BlackHawk]

Bah, Oboe you got me all excited, I was like "Finally he's got the map", but alas, just posting he concurs. How about the map [/annoying nub :)]

[OboeGuru]

Heh, I'm still missing some orders.

Shinigami, Modred, TheGreatBrain, and Subjukator.

2 hours, guys.

[Subjukator]

WEREWOLF91!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I AM GOING TO STRANGLE YOU SLOWLY IF YOU DONT REPLY BACK TO MY PM!!!!!!!!!!!

[Valjean]

Gah!! O_o I almost forgot!! O_O

EDIT: Okay, I replied to it.

[ChairsSobD]

No.. I think, when someone reminds you about something that you didn't know, that's called "forgetting." No almost :)

[Valjean]

The logic! It burns like breifs!! >_<

Boxers > Briefs

=P

[Subjukator]

Cool thx :D

[Modred]

Orders in a sec.

EDIT: The map's gone....how can I write orders without a map?

EDITx2: You are one cold SOB.

EDITx3:
France
A Sav H
F Gas H
A F.Co-Lor
A Cha S A F.Col-Lor

EDITx4: I promise I won't be so lenient next time people are late for my games...

[OboeGuru]

You're lucky I was in the middle of mapmaking, Modred. :)
My apologies about the map, I guess my server's being a bit queer at the moment or something.

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OboeGuru's Open
Fall 1602

Summary:
Spain is motionless, England and Poland pretty much in the same boat.
The Ottoman Empire draws first blood and continues to expand.
Denmark and the Habsburg Empire steadily grow outward as well.
Russia and Sweden clash over land.
Poland begins to become closed in.

Poland - Subjukator:
A Mazovia - Pru. (Bounce)
A Warsaw S A Mazovia - Pru. (Invalid)
A White Russia - Mazovia (Bounce)
A Bessarabia - Transylvania (Bounce)

Sweden - Werewolf91:
A Est. -> Pskov
A Livonia S(upport) A Est. -> Pskov
F Pru. H(old)
A Finland H(old)
A Stockholm H(old)

Denmark - BlackHawk:
F Mec - Pom
A Bre - Net (Bounce)
A Hol - Bre (Bounce)
A Scan - Zea (Invalid)
F Ska - North Sea (Bounce)
A Vast - Tron

England - Shinigami:
F North Sea Convoy A Yorkshire - Fla
A Yorkshire - Fla (Bounce)
A Net Support A Yorkshire - Fla (Cut)
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid Atlantic Ocean
A London Hold

France - Modred:
A Sav H
F Gas H
A F.Co-Lor (Bounce)
A Cha S A F.Col-Lor

Spain - TheGreatBrain:
No Orders Received.

Habsburg Empire - Fenguin:
A Bavaria S Spain A Lorraine HOLD
A Saxony -> Bra
A Slovakia -> Moravia
A Tyrolia -> Austria
A Eastern Hungary HOLD
F Ven HOLD

Ottoman Empire - OboeGuru:
A Georgia -> Crimea
F Black Sea S A Georgia -> Crimea
A Bulgaria -> Transylvania
A Serbia S A Bulgaria -> Transylvania
F Ionian Sea -> Naples
A Armenia -> Azerbaijan
A North Africa HOLD

Russia - ChairsSobD:
A Pskov - Est DISLODGED
A Crimea Holds DISLODGED
A Central Asia Holds

Builds/Retreats/Disbands:
Poland: 0/-/0
Sweden: 0/-/0
Denmark: 1/-/0
England: 0/-/0
France: 1/-/0
Spain: 0/-/1
Habsburg Empire: 1/-/0
Ottoman Empire: 3/-/0
Russia: 1/A Crimea (Ukr., Vor., Ura.), A Pskov (Ing., Nov., Tul.)/0

http://diplomacy.oboeguru.net/1600/1602-Fall.gif

Next orders due: Wednesday, 9PM (CST). No Diplo catch-phrase this week, sorry.

[Shinigami]

Motherfucker!

England
F North Sea Convoy A Yorkshire - Fla
A Yorkshire - Fla
A Net Support A Yorkshire - Fla
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid Atlantic Ocean
A London Hold

[OboeGuru]

I'll be nice and include that order, because there's no major change.

In the future though, my deadlines are final. Always by 9PM CST on the due date.

Why not turn orders in early?

[Modred]

Hey Oboe, where did you get this map? None of the maps I've found even have Lorraine as an SC.

At least you are like me, if the orders are in before the map, I remake the map...now I'd normally not include Gami's...but since you're being nice, why not?

[OboeGuru]

I got the map from http://www.diplom.org/Online/maps.html

I couldn't find any other maps.

Weird.

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I figure I gotta let one slide before laying down the law. At least it was one where nothing major changed in the map after adding in the order set.

[Modred]

Weird...that's the same place I got my map from, and Lorraine still isn't a supply center.

[OboeGuru]

Ah yes, that's right, I used an updated version of that map.

http://w1.132.telia.com/~u13214882/1600.htm
"The variant is still under development and you may view a copy of the latest version here (http://w1.132.telia.com/~u13214882/1600_25c.gif)."

[Subjukator]

Dude, why was my order Invalid for me taking Pru?

EDIT: Probably a real good reason too and I'm gonna get screwed regardless...

[BlackHawk]

Hey Oboe I got some problems with this:

A Scan - Zea is supposed to be A Scan - Zca (only saying this because you're remaking the map).

And why did I get bounced when I did:

A Bre - Net
F Ska - North Sea?

If he doesn't support it don't I automatically get it even if he has a person in it (i.e. if he holds and I attack I get it)? Correct me if I'm wrong, because I know that's happened in the other Diplo and if you attack a holding country that isn't getting supported, you get it. Modred?

And if I'm right I should get those, and Sub should get Pru (unless Werewolf supported the hold).

EDIT: And Werewolf, delete some of your PMs, gawd I can't send you any because your inbox is full, sheesh.

[Valjean]

oh sorry. I'll get right on that. ^^;;

EDIT: Okay, I've gotten rid of some messages.

And I've PMed Oboe about why my attack didn't work. :mad:

[OboeGuru]

Subjukator, to support the attack, the supporter must also be adjacent to the target. Warsaw is not adjacent to Prussia.

BlackHawk, I will now quote the tutorial you tout:
All units in Diplomacy, be they armies or fleets, are equally strong. In an attack the advantage is always possessed by the defender who wins all ties.

And by the way, that province is Zea, not Zca. Look closely at the letter, it's definitely an 'e' if you compare it to the other 'e's on the board. I was allowing Zea -> Jut or Hol because of the unnamed water there, it just seemed silly, but there is named water around Scan, so you'll have to convoy across from there to Zea.

[Valjean]

Werewolf, to support the attack, the supporter must also be adjacent to the target. Warsaw is not adjacent to Prussia.
1.) Livonia, not Warsaw.

2.) Pskov, not Prussia.

3.) They are adjacent.

EDIT: More proof:

http://www.yoxio.com/images.php?id=25888

[TheGreatBrain]

Fuck, I forgot. That sucks.

And fuck you Ottomans. I never liked you anyways.

[ChairsSobD]

Werewolf is right. I can see no cutting of supports.. He's totally entitled to Pskov.

Not that I want him to be :)

My backstab would have worked, Werewolf, if Sub knew how to play the game a little better.

[Modred]

Mwahahahahaha.

[OboeGuru]

Heh, surry about the mix up in my earlier post, Werewolf. That's my brain on no sleep.

- - - - -

Est. and Pskov were essentially attempting to trade places, which (by my understanding) is not legal.

Basically, the attack itself was cut, and the support from Livonia does nothing because it is not trying to take over Pskov, only supporting the attempted take-over.

The "Can't cut support against self" principle doesn't apply because the support is not being cut, the attack is.

Still, can I get assessments from other seasoned players? Perhaps I'm looking into this too far.

[Modred]

Sweden - Werewolf91:
A Est. -> Pskov (Bounce)
A Livonia S(upport) A Est. -> Pskov

Russia - ChairsSobD:
A Pskov - Est (Bounce)

Hehe, units cannot trade places because they are of equal strength. These attacks are not of equal strength however, one has support, and the other does not. 2 > 1.

And yes, I actually emailed Avalon Hill over this once, and that's what they said. Or at least, summary of what they said.

EDIT: So that means Werewolf gets Pskov.

[OboeGuru]

Thankee much Modred, I'll make the change.

[Subjukator]

Now you tell me that supporting units needed to be next to each other... fucking shit... thats fucking two times in a row I've missed important times to obtain supply centers. I'll probably be the first to leave ONCE AGAIN for being newbie... i hate being newbie :mad: ...

me=dumbass

OboeGuru's Open
Spring 1602

Poland - Subjukator:

A Mazovia-Pru
A White Russia S A Mazovia-Pru (Invalid)

it hurts, really :(

OboeGuru's Open
Fall 1602

Poland - Subjukator:
A Mazovia - Pru. (Bounce)
A Warsaw S A Mazovia - Pru. (Invalid)

[Shinigami]

Hey, Denmark: your mother.

Britain declares war on Denmark.

I'll be nice and include that order, because there's no major change.

In the future though, my deadlines are final. Always by 9PM CST on the due date.
I owe you, man. Depending on when Modred replies to my PM, I'll have them in either today or tomorrow, but rest assured I won't forget again.

[BlackHawk]

He gets to re-do all his orders?

Wth, he'll just counter everthing I do, and he can use this to his advantage (i.e. he already knows what everyones doing). He should just have to fix whatever the hell was wrong in the first place.

You don't have to listen to me of course, you are teh GM Oboe...just my 2cents.

[OboeGuru]

What about re-doing orders???

I think he's just swearing that he'll get orders in on time from now on forever and ever.

[Modred]

France
A Pro

A Cha S English A Lon-Fla
A F.Co.-Lorraine
F Gas H
A Sav S A Pro
A Pro H

[Shinigami]

England
F North Sea C A Lon - Fla
A Net S A Lon - Fla
A Lon - Fla
A Yor - Scotland
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Granada

[Subjukator]

People need to check there PM's more often (Fenguin...). Theres no way I can salvage my loss of two wasted turns as well... if only Hapsburg cut support to Serbia like I asked him to in the PM...

Poland Orders

(Highlighting=wrong)

A White Russia S A Mazovia-Livonia
A Mazovia-Livonia
A Bessarabia S A Voronezj-Crimea
A Warsaw-Cracow

[Fenguin]

I was in China, foo. ;) I only had an Internet connection for a while like 2:00 Friday morning (Friday afternoon China time), and I sent in my order then. :D Sorry about that.

[Subjukator]

Thanks for the belated warning *rolls eyes*

[Fenguin]

I posted that I would be in China in three threads. Also, my custom title was "Currently in China." :p

[Subjukator]

I must have missed the memo :p

[Cygnus]

If you guys ever need a replacement... ^^

[OboeGuru]

Hopefully not anytime soon, but I'm missing orders from a lot of people here!!!

BlackHawk, Fenguin, Werewolf, TheGreatBrain, and ChairsSobD.

Come on guys! We're past my deadline!!!
I'll give you all 'til 9PM CST tomorrow (Thurs), but after that's past, I'm mapping. No exceptions.

[ChairsSobD]

I had them all ready but forgot to post them! >_<

RUSSIA

Builds
A Novrgorod
Retreats
A Crimea - Voronezj
A Pskov - Ingria
Moves
A Novrgood supports A Ingria - Pskov
A Ingria - Pskov
A Voronezj - Crimea
A Central Asia - Persia

[TheGreatBrain]

Spanish Orders:
Dis A Lor

A Tus-Rom
F Tyrrhenian Sea Support A Tus-Rom
A Ara-Gra
A Nav-Por
A Fla Support Danish A Bre-Net
F Gulf of Lyon-Western Mediterranean

[OboeGuru]

Spain must disband a unit.

Your orders are all invalid until you specify a disband.

[Modred]

Haha, Oboe went against his word. He said his deadlines are final. And they aren't....always.

[OboeGuru]

Well, when five out of nine people don't have orders in... I gotta wait. After all, I'm not a sadist or anything. Just don't do it again, y'all!

[Subjukator]

A short reprieve for the failing kingdom of Poland :(

[OboeGuru]

Okay, I don't want to leave TGB in the dust here, but I also want to get this map out.

Those who have played with TGB before, any idea what he's likely to disband if he doesn't post something tonight?

[BlackHawk]

Aragon, since it isn't really under any threat. And I don't think it's doing anything. If it is, then...yea...

EDIT: Nevermind it is doing something...bah then I dunno. Just choose one that isn't under too much danger and isn't doing anything that will really affect the outcome (i.e. not something that would totally screw up someones moves ;) ).

[TheGreatBrain]

Jeez! What is wrong with me this game? It's edited, sorry.

[OboeGuru]

OboeGuru's Open
Spring 1603

Summary:
Spain looks to recover lost territory.
France and Habsburg squabble over ceded Spanish land.
England moves another army to the mainland.
Sweden gets hacked apart as Poland and Russia begin to lose land.
Denmark expands into Russia and free sea.
France remains unchanged

Poland - Subjukator:
A White Russia S A Mazovia-Livonia
A Mazovia-Livonia
A Bessarabia S A Voronezj-Crimea DISLODGED
A Warsaw-Cracow

Sweden - Werewolf91:
A Livonia -> Est.
A Pskov HOLD DISLODGED
F Pru. HOLD
A Finland HOLD
A Stockholm HOLD

Denmark - BlackHawk:
F Vest

A Bre - Net (Bounce)
F Vest - Norwegian Sea
F Ska - North Sea (Bounce)
A Tran - Karelia
A Scan HOLD
F Pom HOLD
A Hol - Mec

England - Shinigami:
F North Sea C A Lon - Fla
A Net S A Lon - Fla (Cut)
A Lon - Fla
A Yor - Scotland
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Granada (Bounce)

France - Modred:
A Pro

A Cha S English A Lon-Fla
A F.Co.-Lorraine (Bounce)
F Gas H
A Sav S A Pro
A Pro H

Spain - TheGreatBrain:
Dis A Lor

A Tus-Rom
F Tyrrhenian Sea Support A Tus-Rom
A Ara-Gra (Bounce)
A Nav-Por
A Fla Support Danish A Bre-Net DISLODGED
F Gulf of Lyon-Western Mediterranean

Habsburg Empire - Fenguin:
A Bavaria -> Lorraine (Bounce)
A Austria -> Bavaria
F Ven -> Tuscany (Invalid)
A Bohemia -> Saxony
A Eastern Hungary -> Western Hungary
A Moravia -> Silesia
A Bra hold

[B]Ottoman Empire - OboeGuru:
Build:
F Greece
A Constantinople
A Egypt
Move:
A North Africa HOLD
A Serbia HOLD
F Naples HOLD
A Azerbaijan -> Uralsk
A Crimea S A Azerbaijan -> Uralsk (Cut)
F Black Sea C A Constantinople -> Bessarabia
A Transylvania S A Constantinople -> Bessarabia
F Greece -> Ionian Sea
A Constantinople -> Bessarabia
A Egypt -> Syria

Russia - ChairsSobD:
Builds
A Novrgorod
Retreats
A Crimea - Voronezj
A Pskov - Ingria
Moves
A Novrgood supports A Ingria - Pskov
A Ingria - Pskov
A Voronezj - Crimea (Bounce)
A Central Asia - Persia

Retreats:
Spain
A Flanders -> Wst, Normandy, DISBAND
Sweden
A Pskov -> Tula, DISBAND
Poland
A Bessarabia -> Volhynia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, DISBAND

http://diplomacy.oboeguru.net/1600/1603-Spring.gif

[Valjean]

Oboe has been deprived of sleep again. ;)

[OboeGuru]

What's that supposed to mean???

[Subjukator]

I know a game we could play: Guess who lost! I know I did!

[Valjean]

What's that supposed to mean???
...

I'm not even going to comment on that. -_o;;

[Modred]

Hapsburgs: I'm sure you won't mind my taking Lorraine, now will you?

France offers a treaty of alliance to the Ottoman Empire.

[Fenguin]

Nah, you can take Lorraine. I have other things to do at the moment. :)

[BlackHawk]

When are the next orders due Oboe?

[OboeGuru]

Orders due Sunday, but they're always welcome earlier. :)

[Subjukator]

France offers a treaty of alliance to the Ottoman Empire.

That's right, suck it up to the biggest player on the map ;) lol :p

[Shinigami]

England
F North Sea - Hel
F Fla S A Net
A Net S F Fla
A Scotland Hold
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Hold

[TheGreatBrain]

Spanish Orders:
A Fla Retreat Wst

A Wst Support Danish A Bre-Net
A Por Hold
A Ara-Lan
A Rom-Nap
F Tyrrhenian Sea Support A Rom-Nap
F Western Meditterranean-Tyrrhenian Sea

[Subjukator]

So... this map... anytime soon?

[OboeGuru]

So... this map... anytime soon?
When you, Modred, and ChairsSobD turn in orders.

Hopefully Werewolf will turn in corrected orders, too, otherwise I'll have to assume disbanding his dislodged army...

I set the deadline for Sunday, so be patient Grasshopper.

Perhaps I should start making orders due sooner?

[Valjean]

what am I supposed to do with my dislodged army?! O_o

[OboeGuru]

Check out what ChairsSobD did in the last turn with his two dislodged armies.

It's a perfect example of what you can do.

[Valjean]

Okay, Orders have been sent and OKed.

[Subjukator]

Polish Orders

Retreat: A Bessarabia-Volhynia

Moves

A Volhynia S A Cracow
A Cracow S A Volhynia
A Livonia S A White Russia-Mazovia
A White Russia-Mazovia

[Modred]

Orders will be up momentarilly. Hard to post orders when you haven't been at a computer for over three days.

[OboeGuru]

Sorry if I sounded agitated in the PM, Modred, it wasn't my intention.

[Modred]

France
A Cha-Paris
A F.Co-Lorraine
A Pro-Lan
A Sav-Tus
A Gas-Nav

And you thought I'd be late. :p And I understand your aggravation at late orders.

[Subjukator]

So I guess your answer to my PM was no then right Oboe?

[BlackHawk]

Are we just waiting on ChairsSobD?

[ChairsSobD]

Sorry! I had them in this pretty little notepad but I forgot to post them.

Since I'm the last one, I see no reason for secrecy.

Russia
--
A Pskov - Holds
A Persia - Azerbajan
A Voronezj - Moscow
A Novrgorod - Tula

[BlackHawk]

Sorry! I had them in this pretty little notepad but I forgot to post them.

Since I'm the last one, I see no reason for secrecy.

Russia
--
A Pskov - Holds
A Persia - Azerbajan
A Voronezj - Moscow
A Novrgorod - Tula

W00t, come on Oboe!

[OboeGuru]

OboeGuru's Open
Fall 1603

Summary:
Russia takes a beating as one of its Home SCs and two nations are captured.
Poland loses land to the expansion of the Ottoman and Habsburg Empires.
Spain loses its much of its northern exposure and two SCs in the process.
France expands into Spanish territory as Denmark and Sweden take remote control of Russian land.

Poland - Subjukator:
Retreat: A Bessarabia-Volhynia

Moves

A Volhynia S A Cracow
A Cracow S A Volhynia
A Livonia S A White Russia-Mazovia
A White Russia-Mazovia

Sweden - Werewolf91:
Retreat A Pskov -> Tula -> Moscow (Bounce)
A Stockholm -> Ost

A Est. HOLD
F Pru. HOLD
A Finland HOLD

Denmark - BlackHawk:
F Nor - North Sea
F Ska - Hol (Invalid)
A Bre - Net (Bounce)
A Mec - Bra (Failed)
F Pom S A Mec - Bra (Invalid)
A Kar - Archangel
A Scan HOLD

England - Shinigami:
F North Sea - Hel
A Fla S A Net
A Net S F Fla
A Scotland Hold
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Hold

France - Modred:
A Cha-Paris
A F.Co-Lorraine (Bounce)
A Pro-Lan (Bounce)
A Sav-Tus
F Gas-Nav

Spain - TheGreatBrain:
A Fla Retreat Wst

A Wst Support Danish A Bre-Net (Failed)
A Por Hold
A Ara-Lan (Bounce)
A Rom-Nap (Bounce)
F Tyrrhenian Sea Support A Rom-Nap (Cut)
F Western Meditterranean-Tyrrhenian Sea (Bounce)

Habsburg Empire - Fenguin:
A Bra hold
A Silesia -> LPo.
A Saxony -> Lorraine
A Bavaria S A Saxony -> Lorraine
A Austria -> Slovakia
F Ven -> Romagna
A Wes. Hung HOLD

Ottoman Empire - OboeGuru:
A North Africa HOLD
F Ionian Sea -> Tyrrhenian Sea (Bounce)
F Naples S F Ionian Sea -> Tyrrhenian Sea (Cut)
A Syria -> Azerbaijan (Bounce)
A Bessarabia HOLD
A Transylvania S A Bessarabia HOLD
F Black Sea -> Constantinople
A Serbia HOLD
A Crimea -> Voronezj
A Uralsk S A Crimea -> Voronezj

Russia - ChairsSobD:
A Pskov - Holds
A Persia - Azerbajan (Bounce)
A Voronezj - Moscow DISLODGED
A Novgorod - Tula (Bounce)

Builds/Retreats/Disbands:
Poland: 0/-/1
Sweden: 0/-/0
Denmark: 0/-/0
England: 1/-/0
France: 0/-/0
Spain: 0/-/2
Habsburg Empire: 1/-/0
Ottoman Empire: 2/-/0
Russia: 0/A Voronezj (Ukraine, DISBAND)/1

http://diplomacy.oboeguru.net/1600/1603-Fall.gif

Next orders due: Wednesday, 9PM (CDT).

[Modred]

Interesting indeed....

[ChairsSobD]

JohnRobinette 05: ?
BirdComix: Werewolf's got one crazy peice eh?
BirdComix: Y'know.
BirdComix: Moving twice in one turn.
BirdComix: And all that jazz.
BirdComix: It's like... A SUPER PIECE.
BirdComix: ULTRA PIECE
JohnRobinette 05: lol

It's a retreat. I get it!


Wait. Oboe. What faggotory is this?

A Novrgood - Moscow (NO SUPPORT)
A Tula - Moscow (NO SUPPORT)

...Faggotory.

[OboeGuru]

It's the retreat.

Sure the notation's odd, but it's understandable, considering I was conversing with him about it.

[BlackHawk]

Getting a bit crowded, no?

[ChairsSobD]

Um. Oboe. Hate to tell you this but... You pulled a classic Bird. Screwing up.


BirdComix: I knew there was something wrong.
BirdComix: He said Voronezj was dislodged.
BirdComix: WTF
BirdComix: ?!?
BirdComix: I'm confused.. is there some rule in which Werewolf moves a piece into moscow it immediatley dislodges any other peice moved there?
BirdComix: Or did Oboe just fuck up?
Adrift Holy Bell: I'd say Oboe fucked up?
BirdComix: Yeah.
BirdComix: I'd agree.

[OboeGuru]

I dislodged your A Voronezj with A Crimea and A Uralsk, Bird.

[Shinigami]

I read you like a book, Denmark.

Retreat A Pskov -> Tula -> Moscow
What the hell is this?

[ChairsSobD]

Well supposedly he retreated to Tula and THEN moved to moscow.

Tho it could be clearer.

Oboe: I would bounce Tula -> Moscow before being dislodged.

[OboeGuru]

Right, my bad, I just found an example like that in the game manual from AH.

All fixed up.

[TheGreatBrain]

*Sigh... the dream is over.

Spanish Orders:
Dis A Wst
Dis A Rom

F Tyrrhenian Sea-Gulf of Lyon
F Wesern Meditterranean-Gra
A Rom Hold
A Por-Nav
A Ara-Lan

[Valjean]

/me is confused by so many things from the last two maps and surrends all land to Denmark

[BlackHawk]

* Werewolf91 is confused by so many things from the last two maps and surrends all land to Denmark

Sweet...Do I get all his armies / builds too? And are you sure Were?

[Valjean]

no armies. And I have no builds. O_o;; Just the places. ;)

[OboeGuru]

* Werewolf91 is confused by so many things from the last two maps and surrends all land to Denmark
How about no?

All your units are in the right places, trust me. Just move pieces from the positions as shown on the map. Then have a nice cup of cocoa and be satisfied that you're doing well in this game. :)

[Valjean]

http://www.yoxio.com/images.php?id=28026

http://www.yoxio.com/images.php?id=28024

Bah. >_< fine. but later. >_<

[Shinigami]

Werewolf, you can't surrender land to a player. You can only surrender, which means that your pieces simply don't move. They always hold and cannot support any other units, though they can be supported by other players.

[Modred]

Wow Brain, am I just like bad luck for you? :p

France
F Nav-Por
A Par-Cha
A F.Co S A Par-Cha
A Tus S Ottoman F Nap-Rom
A Pro-Lan

[Subjukator]

Oboe, you forgot to color in Karelia for Denmark. No wonder I was so confused on why an army had just appeared in Archangelsk from the sea...

Orders PMed

[BlackHawk]

Oboe, you forgot to color in Karelia for Denmark. No wonder I was so confused on why an army had just appeared in Archangelsk from the sea...

Orders PMed

I don't think he is supposed to colour in Karelia since I wasn't in their during the fall, which is when you "claim" new land officialy. Then again, I might be wrong?

[OboeGuru]

That would be correct BlackHawk. Good job, you get a cookie! http://images.oboeguru.net/cookie.gif :D

[TheGreatBrain]

Wow Brain, am I just like bad luck for you? :pHa. Ha, ha ha. Ha. Haaa.... *cries

[OboeGuru]

Ha. Ha, ha ha. Ha. Haaa.... *cries

Teehee, it's funny because it's true. ;)

A quick reminder to ChairsSobD, Werewolf, and Shinigami that your orders are due tonight.

[Shinigami]

England
F London

F London Support F Hel - North Sea
F Hel - North Sea
A Scotland Hold
A Net Support A Fla
A Fla Support A Net
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Support French F Navarre

[BlackHawk]

Hurry Were and Chair! I want a map :(.

Chairs reading the thread, yay! :D

[OboeGuru]

The Bird is making orders as we speak, and something tells me Werewolf isn't giving any orders this season...

[ChairsSobD]

Disbands
--
A Persia

Retreats
--
A Voronezj - Ukraine

Moves
--
A Ukraine - White Russia
A Pskov supports A Ukraine - White Russia
A Novrgorod - Moscow

[BlackHawk]

W00t, one to go! Btw, (the real reason I made this post) what is the objective? (i.e. how many SCs do we have to get before one wins? Is it 18 like normal Diplo? Or more because of a larger (I think) map?).

[OboeGuru]

what is the objective? (i.e. how many SCs do we have to get before one wins? Is it 18 like normal Diplo? Or more because of a larger (I think) map?).
I should probably figure that out... heh.

I'll do that while making the map.

[Cygnus]

The majority of the SCs is the one you need (51% rounded up)

[OboeGuru]

27 SCs wins the game. That's out of 53 SCs total, so about 50.95% in this case.

- - - - -

OboeGuru's Open
Spring 1604

Summary:
Spain cedes Rome to the Ottoman Empire, which takes another Russian Home SC.
The Habsburg Empre invades France.
Attempted Anglo-French stab fails.
Denmark gets pushed around by England while shifting its northern line.
Poland loses two Home SCs to Habsburg and Russia.
Sweden is motionless, the commander appears to have stepped down.
Swedish units hold positions until further notice.

Poland - Subjukator:
Disband: A Cracow

A Livonia-Pru.
A Mazovia S A Livonia-Pru.
A Volhynia-White Russia

Sweden - Werewolf91:
No Orders Received.

Denmark - BlackHawk:
F Ska - Jut
A Mec - Hol
F North Sea - Net DISLODGED
A Bre S F North Sea - Net
F Pom - Baltic Sea
A Scan - WGc
A Arch - Kar

England - Shinigami:
F London

F London Support F Hel - North Sea
F Hel - North Sea
A Scotland Hold
A Net Support A Fla (Cut)
A Fla Support A Net
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Support French F Navarre (Invalid)

France - Modred:
F Nav-Por (Bounce)
A Par-Cha
A F.Co S A Par-Cha
A Tus S Ottoman F Nap-Rom
A Pro-Lan (Bounce)

Spain - TheGreatBrain:
Dis A Wst
Dis A Rom

F Tyrrhenian Sea-Gulf of Lyon
F Wesern Meditterranean-Gra
A Por-Nav (Bounce)
A Ara-Lan (Bounce)

Habsburg Empire - Fenguin:
A Bav (Invalid)

Moves
A Bavaria -> F. Co (Invalid)
A Lorraine S A Bavaria -> F. Co (Invalid)
A Saxony S A Lorraine
A Bra HOLD
F Romagna -> Ven
A Slovakia -> Cracow
A LPo S A Slovakia -> Cracow

Ottoman Empire - OboeGuru:
A Anatolia
F Greece

F Naples -> Rome
F Ionian Sea -> Tyrrhenian Sea
A North Africa HOLD
F Greece -> Ionian Sea
A Serbia HOLD
A Transylvania HOLD
F Constantinople -> Black Sea
A Bessarabia -> Volhynia (Bounce)
A Anatolia -> Armenia
A Syria -> Azerbaijan
A Voronezj -> Moscow
A Uralsk S A Voronezj -> Moscow

Russia - ChairsSobD:
Disbands
--
A Persia

Retreats
--
A Voronezj - Ukraine

Moves
--
A Ukraine - White Russia
A Pskov supports A Ukraine - White Russia
A Novrgorod - Moscow (Bounce)

Retreats:
Sweden:
F Prussia -> (Pmr., DISBAND)
Denmark:
F North Sea -> (Skagerrak, Norwegian Sea, York, English Channel, DISBAND)

http://diplomacy.oboeguru.net/1600/1604-Spring.gif

Next orders due: Friday, 9PM (CDT).

[Shinigami]

Fuck technicalities.

[Subjukator]

O that's just great. I get stabbed by not just one, but TWO players...

[ChairsSobD]

<3 ^^ ô_ô

[TheGreatBrain]

Yey! FOUR - MORE - YEARS!

[BlackHawk]

Hey Oboe, can't my Fleet in North Sea retreat to Hel as well? And I'm thankful you pulled out Britian, :).

[OboeGuru]

No, dislodged units cannot retreat to the area where the attack originated.

You all should be ashamed. I already have 5/9 orders in another game of 1600 and that map was up last night as well. :p ;)

Do please take note that I've made this deadline shorter: it's Friday, not Saturday; and I fully intend to make the map on Friday night, so start sending those orders in!

[Modred]

I have searched the 1600 website and can find no mention of a rule allowing builds in any supply nor Bavaria being a Hapsburg HSC.

Unless you show me where his build is valid, it is illegal and his unit was not built, making his attack impossible.

Same rules as original Diplo apply.

Even you have said that there are no rule changes. Since Bavaria is not a Hapsburg HSC, I demand that the map be remade.

[OboeGuru]

Aww crap, how did I miss that?!?!?!

Thanks Modred.

Edit: All fixed. That's fatigue for ya. Meh.

[BlackHawk]

Orders Sent.

Btw, is Fenguin around? He hasn't answered my PM...

[OboeGuru]

I don't know where he is right now, but he'd better get back so he can adjust his orders...

I'm still missing orders from Shinigami, Modred, and TGB.

[BlackHawk]

Hurry guys, we want teh map! *tear*

Maybe PM them? Or they just didn't realize you changed the due date.

[OboeGuru]

I didn't change it, that was the original date I posted.
It just happens to be shorter than usual (2 days instead of 3).

Maybe I should wait 'til tomorrow?

PMing won't do any real good, they're not on right now...

[Modred]

I really need to consult with my allies....

France
F Nav-Por
A FCo-Lor
A Cha S A FCo-Lor
A Pro H
A Tus H

[TheGreatBrain]

Spanish Orders:

A Ara-Lan
F Gulf of Lyon Support A Ara-Lan
A Por Hold
F Gra Support A Por Hold

[OboeGuru]

No orders from Shinigami this time.

Making map now.

[BlackHawk]

No orders from Shinigami this time.

Making map now.

Score. Bed time :(. I'll lookie tommorow.

[OboeGuru]

OboeGuru's Open
Fall 1604

Summary:
France invades the Habsburg Empire!
Poland is fractured to the Habsburg Empire.
The Ottoman Empire gains sterner control of Russian territory.
Spain looks to gain French ground while France fails to snag Spanish land, unlike O.E.
England is motionless and Sweden's life slowly drains away to Denmark.

Poland - Subjukator:
A Pru. Hold
A Mazovia-Warsaw
A Volhynia S A Mazovia-Warsaw (Cut)

Sweden - Werewolf91:
No Orders Received
F Prussia Disbands

Denmark - BlackHawk:
F North Sea retreats to Ska

F Ska S F Jut - Hel
A Bre - Net (Bounce)
F Jut - Hel
A Hol - Mec
A WGc - Ber
F Baltic Sea - Stockholm
A Kar - Lappland

England - Shinigami:
No Orders Received.

France - Modred:
F Nav-Por (Bounce)
A FCo-Lor
A Cha S A FCo-Lor
A Pro H
A Tus H

Spain - TheGreatBrain:
A Ara-Lan
F Gulf of Lyon Support A Ara-Lan
A Por Hold
F Gra Support A Por Hold

Habsburg Empire - Fenguin:
A LPo. -> Warsaw
A Cracow S A LPo. -> Warsaw
A Wes. Hung. HOLD
F Ven. HOLD
A Bra. HOLD
A Saxony -> Hes.
A Lorraine -> Bavaria

Ottoman Empire - OboeGuru:
A Bessarabia -> Volhynia
A Armenia -> Crimea
F Black Sea C A Armenia -> Crimea
A Moscow HOLD
A Uralsk -> Central Asia
A Azerbaijan -> Uralsk
A Transylvania HOLD
A Serbia HOLD
F Rome HOLD
A North Africa HOLD
F Tyrrhenian Sea -> Western Mediterranean
F Ionian Sea -> Tyrrhenian Sea

Russia - ChairsSobD:
A White Russia Holds
A Pskov supports A White Russia Holds
A Novrgorod Holds

Builds/Retreats/Disbands:
Poland: 0/-/2
Sweden: 0/-/2
Denmark: 2/-/0
England: 0/-/0
France: 1/-/0
Spain: 0/-/1
Habsburg Empire: 2/-/0
Ottoman Empire: 3/-/0
Russia: 0/-/1

http://diplomacy.oboeguru.net/1600/1604-Fall.gif

Next orders due: Monday, 9PM (CDT).

[Modred]

Dangit Gami....

[Fenguin]

You owe me one BlackHawk. :D That Pom looked sooo tempting... ;)

Edit: dammit, Pom looks like something sick. >.<

[Shinigami]

Dangit Gami....
Yeah, and I'm happy that I was so fucking pissed about last turn that I tuned this game out, too. :rolleyes:

[BlackHawk]

You owe me one BlackHawk. :D That Pom looked sooo tempting... ;)

Edit: dammit, Pom looks like something sick. >.<

Thanks Fengy, and yes, I owe you one :).

EDIT: Who's going to choose which units are disbanded by Were? Oboe?

http://www.yoxio.com/images.php?id=29652

[OboeGuru]

I'm not choosing, I'm following the rules laid down by Avalon Hill for the order of unit disbandment when a nation is in "civil disorder."

That's just so you all might have an inkling as to what's being disbanded.

Yeah, and I'm happy that I was so fucking pissed about last turn that I tuned this game out, too. :rolleyes:
You do under stand why I had to do that though?

I know what you meant, but what you wrote has an entirely different meaning, and what's written is ultimately what counts most. After Werewolf's weird and wacky orders, I told myself to adhere to the rules more strictly, so I'm not accepting vague or miswritten orders anymore.

By the way, miswritten does not mean spelling mistakes, those are completely understandable. :)

[Modred]

Hey, when are the next orders due?

EDIT: NM, found it.

[Subjukator]

You owe me one BlackHawk. :D That Pom looked sooo tempting... ;)

Edit: dammit, Pom looks like something sick. >.<

No, instead he went for option number 2, siding with Oboe in stabbing me in the back, hard.

[Shinigami]

You do under stand why I had to do that though?

I know what you meant, but what you wrote has an entirely different meaning, and what's written is ultimately what counts most. After Werewolf's weird and wacky orders, I told myself to adhere to the rules more strictly, so I'm not accepting vague or miswritten orders anymore.

By the way, miswritten does not mean spelling mistakes, those are completely understandable. :)
Of course, but understanding hardly makes me feel any differently towards the situation. It's totally my fault and I'm mad at myself for that.

[OboeGuru]

Of course, but understanding hardly makes me feel any differently towards the situation. It's totally my fault and I'm mad at myself for that.
Ooooohhhhh... It sounded like you were mad at me.

[TheGreatBrain]

I'll outlast someone if it's the last thing I do! :)

Spanish Orders:
Disband F Gulf of Lyon

A Lan-Nav
A Por Hold
F Gra Support A Por Hold

[Subjukator]

Just leave tiny Poland alone plz Hapsburg, you've crushed me enough arg!!

Orders...
Disband: A Mazovia, A Volhynia

A Pru.-Pmr.

[OboeGuru]

Shinigami's spot as England is being filled by our prodigal son, madman5.

[madman5]

ok i need a summary on what shini has done(i.e. alliances and who hes gangin up on and so on)
I don't wanna read 23 pages :)

[OboeGuru]

Under new leadership, I would assume that all of Shini's alliances, public and secret, are null and void. So everybody who wants to, start making alliances/NAPs with England all over again.

In short, you're the British leader now madman5, you handle the country however you want, and essentially ignore everything Shini's done and improvise from what has been given to you.

Just a reminder (to everybody as well as madman5): orders are due Monday.

[Modred]

Greetings madman, I trust your leadership of England will be more...proactive than your leadership of France.

As of now, you are at war with Denmark, and I seriously doubt that any amount of negotiation will prevent him from attacking you.

Gami and myself were allied against Spain, I will PM you details if you are still interested.

[BlackHawk]

As of now, you are at war with Denmark, and I seriously doubt that any amount of negotiation will prevent him from attacking you.

At war? :concern:. The total opposite, if you have been watching the map, you will have noticed he initiated it after I had offered my help to Spain, against you and Old England's assaults. I have only mounted a defense, and have regained the land he took from me. There has been no agressions on my part, just moves and gains that ensured my security from further Britian (under Shini's rule) assaults.

With a new England however, I'm sure there will be no exchange of punches between us. I officialy offer England an NAP and alliance if he wishes it.

~ Denmark.

[Modred]

Oh...ok.

Well, my offer to whip Spain still stands.

[BlackHawk]

Oboe? Ahem, map? Pwease?

[Modred]

Um...BH, its only 2:30 Central time. :p The deadline is at 9pm.

France
A Bur

A Bur-Lan
A Pro S A Bur-Lan
F Nav-Gas
A Cha S A Lorraine
A Tus-Sav
A Lorraine H

[OboeGuru]

Um...BH, its only 2:30 Central time. :p The deadline is at 9pm.
Modred > BlackHawk. ;)

Soon, little diplo whore, soon.

I still need orders from ChairsSobD and madman5.

[madman5]

England has a new king!
In an announcement by Shinigami in the Diplo sub-forum, Shinigami offically resigned from all diplo games he is in. Diplo 1600's open spot was filled by madman5 the former commander of France. Every1 is shocked and hope that madman5 gets his orders in on time. NAP's are now open for establishment. Thank you!

Orders

F Mid Atlantic H
F London-English C.
F North S. H
A Scotland-Cum
A Fla H
A Net H


Damnit how do u do the color so it hides yer orders?

[OboeGuru] You needed [/color] at the end of your orders. I added it for you.

[Modred]

To England: I trust we have no hard feelings for my little coup d'etat. Seeing as you have pulled one yourself, I believe we could get along quite well.

[madman5]

To England: I trust we have no hard feelings for my little coup d'etat. Seeing as you have pulled one yourself, I believe we could get along quite well.
Whats a coup d'etat?

[Modred]

It means I took over your country. But you took over England, so all can be good now.

That was a subtle way of proposing an NAP/Alliance.

[madman5]

It means I took over your country. But you took over England, so all can be good now.

That was a subtle way of proposing an NAP/Alliance.
ok i accept

[OboeGuru]

OboeGuru's Open
Spring 1605

Summary:
France and Spain tango around their border while Denmark seizes more control of Sweden.
The H. Empire steps further into Poland while the O. Empire closes in on Russia.
England shifts slightly while France consolidates its units.
Russia is motionless and Poland is forcedly so.

Poland - Subjukator:
Disband: A Mazovia, A Volhynia

A Pru.-Pmr. (Bounce)

Sweden - Werewolf91:
No Orders Received
Disband: A Tula, A Ost
A Finland DISLODGED

Denmark - BlackHawk:
F Vest
A Jut

F Vest - Norwegian Sea
F Ska HOLD
A Bre HOLD
F Hel S A Bre HOLD
A Mec - Pom
A Jut - Hol
A Lappland - Fin
F Stockholm S A Lappland - Fin
A Ber - Ost

England - madman5:
F Mid Atlantic H
F London-English C.
F North S. H
A Scotland-Cum
A Fla H
A Net H

France - Modred:
A Bur

A Bur-Lan
A Pro S A Bur-Lan
F Nav-Gas
A Cha S A Lorraine
A Tus-Sav
A Lorraine H

Spain - TheGreatBrain:
Disband F Gulf of Lyon

A Lan-Nav
A Por Hold
F Gra Support A Por Hold

Habsburg Empire - Fenguin:
A Bav -> F. Co.
(build) A Bohemia -> Bav
A Hes HOLD
A Bra S A Warsaw -> Pmr
A Cracow HOLD
A Warsaw -> Pmr
A Wes Hung hold
F Ven -> Adriatic Sea
(build) A Cro -> Ven

Ottoman Empire - OboeGuru:
F Greece
A Constantinople
A Anatolia

A North Africa -> Aragon
F Western Mediterranean C A North Africa -> Aragon
F Tyrrhenian Sea -> Gulf of Lyon
F Rome HOLD
F Greece -> Ionian Sea
A Serbia HOLD
A Transylvania S A Constantinople -> Bessarabia
A Constantinople -> Bessarabia
F Black Sea C A Constantinople -> Bessarabia
A Anatolia -> Constantinople
A Bessarabia -> Volhynia
A Crimea -> Ukraine
A Moscow -> Archangel
A Uralsk -> Voronezj
A Central Asia -> Moscow

Russia - ChairsSobD:
No Orders Received
Disband: A White Russia

Retreats:
Sweden:
A Finland -> (Karelia, Ingria, DISBAND)

http://diplomacy.oboeguru.net/1600/1605-Spring.gif

Next orders due: Thursday, 9PM (CDT).

NOTE: Units disbanded at my discretion by Avalon Hill rule: "If a country in civil disorder has to remove units, the units farthest from the country are removed first."

[Modred]

France
A Pro-Bur
A Sav-F.Co.
F Cha S A Lorraine
A Lorraine S A Sav-F.Co
A Lan-Nav
F Gas S A Lan-Nav

[OboeGuru]

Subjukator, madman5, TGB, Bird:

I still need your orders. Today if at all possible.

[Subjukator]

Setting: Polish Army General in Prussia in a meeting with officers

"So... guys... what'da ya'll want to do?"

"Let's just hold our position."

"Sounds good. Spread the word."

"Ummm, General?"

"Yes?"

"Do yah think we should ummm... u know... attack?"

*Silence*

"Anyone else? "I do sir!" Well if no one has anything to say, go back to your prayer areas and do more praying."

[OboeGuru]

I'm giving madman5, TGB, and Bird until 9pm CDT tonight to turn in orders, then I'm making the map.

[TheGreatBrain]

Spanish Orders:

A Nav-Cas
A Por Support A Nav-Cas
F Gra-Ara

[OboeGuru]

OboeGuru's Open
Fall 1605

Summary:
Russia is eliminated by the Ottoman Empire!
The Habsburg Empire fails to recapture Lorraine.
Spain falters under a twin attack from France and the Ottoman Empire.
Poland's lone army holds steady as its land gets eaten up.
England is motionless.
Denmark continues to strangle life from Sweden, now one SC from elimination.


Poland - Subjukator:
A Pru. HOLD

Sweden - Werewolf91:
No Orders Received
Disbnad: A Finland

Denmark - BlackHawk:
F Ska - North Sea
F Norwegian Sea S F Ska - North Sea
A Bre - Net
F Hel S A Bre - Net
A Hol - Bre
A Pom HOLD DISLODGED
A Ost HOLD
A Fin HOLD
F Stock - Gulf of Bothnia

England - madman5:
No Orders Received.
F North Sea, A Net DISLODGED

France - Modred:
A Pro-Bur
A Sav-F.Co. (Bounce)
F Cha S A Lorraine
A Lorraine S A Sav-F.Co (Cut)
A Lan-Nav
F Gas S A Lan-Nav

Spain - TheGreatBrain:
A Nav-Cas
A Por Support A Nav-Cas
F Gra-Ara DISLODGED

Habsburg Empire - Fenguin:
A Bavaria -> Lorraine (Bounce)
A Hes. S A Bavaria -> Lorraine
A F. Co. S A Bavaria -> Lorraine (Cut)
A Ven. -> Tuscany
A Cracow -> Warsaw
A Bra. -> Pom
A Pmr. S A Bra. -> Pom
A Wes. Hung. HOLD
F Adriatic Sea -> Ionian Sea

Ottoman Empire - OboeGuru:
F Western Mediterranean -> Granada
A Aragon S F Western Mediterranean -> Granada
F Gulf of Lyon -> Western Mediterranean
F Ionian Sea -> Naples
F Rome S F Ionian Sea -> Naples
A Serbia -> Illyria
A Constantinople -> Serbia
A Transylvania S A Constantinople -> Serbia
A Ukraine -> White Russia
A Volhynia S A Ukraine -> White Russia
A Moscow -> Novgorod
A Archangel S A Moscow -> Novgorod
A Voronezj -> Tula
A Bessarabia HOLD
F Black Sea HOLD

Russia - ChairsSobD:
SURRENDERED
All units HOLD.

Builds/Retreats/Disbands:
Poland: 0/-/0
Sweden: 0/-/0
Denmark: 1/A Pom. (Mec., DISBAND)/0
England: 0/F North Sea (Scotland, York, London, DISBAND), A Net (Wst., DISBAND)/1
France: 0/-/0
Spain: 0/F Granada (No valid retreats, disbanded)/0
Habsburg Empire: 1/-/0
Ottoman Empire: 3/-/0
Russia: Eliminated

http://diplomacy.oboeguru.net/1600/1605-Fall.gif

Next orders due: Monday, 9PM (CDT).

[Modred]

Is it not strange how Spain was doing pretty good until I showed up?

Now he's fixing to be eliminated and England is falling silent. Am I bad luck or something? :p

[OboeGuru]

/me casts another Level 3 Unholy Aura on Modred.
Yup, it's all you. ;)

I think my move that stopped Spain from retaking Naples started the crippling trend. :)

Poor England is gonna start dying, methinks. :cry:

And I love how Greater Poland and Ukraine are just sort of there.

Au revoir Russia, rest in peace. *Bugle plays TAPS*

[BlackHawk]

FENGUIN! *strangles* grr...

[TheGreatBrain]

There. I outlasted someone. Now I can die in peace.

[madman5]

Damn i hate computer/internet/my dad didnt let me goes on the computer problems. Now im screwed! Shini wasnt watching the threat from north(BH) and now im paying for it! If any1 needs me, ill just try to hold my island from destruction. I just hate this game sometimes *inaudible cursing*


Do i get a build cause i got a free supply center?

[OboeGuru]

Do i get a build cause i got a free supply center?No. You must DISBAND one unit because you lost one of your supply centers to Denmark.

[madman5]

i kno that Oboe but i have 5 SC and 4 units. i should i have a build....

[OboeGuru]

i kno that Oboe but i have 5 SC and 4 units. i should i have a build....
Two of your units are dislodged. Look in the map border/sidebar by "England."

Also read the summary of moves, where it says DISLODGED.

And also the summary of Builds/Retreats/Disbands. Your valid retreats for those two dislodged units are listed there.