Best Strategy for TvT?

[ReD_ICE]

Come on ppl...let's have some suggestions for TvT...I'm running out of ways to beat my friend.:confused:

[Darkslayer633]

My favorite is rines, meds, and seigetanks. but another nice one is just using all three units in the factory along with dships to drop a few nasty mines in the middle of the enemies armies, Oh and if he likes air then goliths with upgraded range will pwn the air.

[IceFlare]

The first strat u sed is usually only used effectively against zerg.

[Darkslayer633]

The first strat u sed is usually only used effectively against zerg.
yes most effective against zerg but in a tvt i believe that is not the best ever made but still very nice.

[ReD_ICE]

I've actually been using golis, but my friend always harrass me with wraith early in the game, flying their ass of all over the place, and then dropping tanks at my backdoor as soon as my golis are lured to where my 2nd expansion is attacked. any comments on that?

[IceFlare]

4 rines in a bunker placed sporadically around shud scare away up to 4 wraiths. Turrets too. Keep gols close as well.

[ReD_ICE]

k got it...and would u say keep some tanks sieged around the base?

[IceFlare]

of course but dont overdo it since sc is a game of aggression not turtling.

[Sambo83]

let's have some suggestions for TvT
Play ZvT or PvT instead.

[Ahzz]

Play ZvT or PvT instead.
shut up. If you are a terran player, you must know how to play tvt sooner or later. I know, its like 90% of games are boring and such, but you just gotta learn it at some point... Here was to give advice tvt, not to change the topic. Im now on a hurry, so I'll possibly help this out later

[usclsw]

marines and medics in ratio 3:1 is the best for rushing tactics. if you want to be more better attacking force then you should take a few vultures and siege tank with you because they take heavy damage to the building you wanted to destroy. *( DUH.. THAT BUNKERS FRUSTARATING ME AGAIN MAN..)

[Sambo83]

lol, ahzz, you're funny.

TvT is about making tanks. Most of the time you don't even need to bother to make a single marine. You make more factories, secure more expansions and make more tanks.. Then, if you're not a dumbass, you can position them decently so your opponent can''t move out, and starve him of resources. But you have to scout well, and watch for shit like 2 port wraiths. You need some goliaths too, I never really understood why, but everyone makes them so you should too.

[Ahzz]

lol, ahzz, you're funny.

TvT is about making tanks. Most of the time you don't even need to bother to make a single marine. You make more factories, secure more expansions and make more tanks..


you seriously think I thought something else? Maybe also gols to those tanks, and dropping and such. it depends of strat

[thefazant]

gols are used to guard youre own tanks against dropships dropping units on youre sieged tanks.
they also deal almost equal or maybe even more dmg then an unsieged tank and they cost a lot less, so they are pretty good to drop on sieged tanks, just try to avoid attacking over ground except if you really outnumber the sieged tanks.
they are also good against wraiths.
i personally dont use gols that much, but thats because i dont really use mass drops much.
i mostly open with a harass bo (gol drop or smth), try to get my expo up asap, then switch to 3 port +1 cloacwraiths, then just harass with 1-2 ships of tanks and my wraith flock, while getting more expos up with tank/turrets.
the great thing about having a lot of wraiths is that he cant use a lot of dropships, because if i intercept them once, its gg.
he also cant spread to thin because my wraiths will always be in 1 huge group, and youd be surprised at how well mass upped wraiths work against small numbers of gols/turrets.
the best counter to this is him getting wraiths+valks himself while outharassing/outexpoing me.

[ReD_ICE]

say he does fast 2 ports, and 1 fast multi, what do i do? i mean, i woul usually get goli, but he harrass me all the way (including dropping tanks on my back)...AND he always builds tons of turrets around his base so that it makes a anti-air barrier all around his base.

here, u might as well just watch the replay...it would be easier to understand my case...i know i made many mistakes in this game...so..plz dont be offensive, and be helpful (thanks).

[thefazant]

vs two port wraiths, open gols, but dont be offensive, expo as soon as possible (after 4 gols or so), then siege some tanks against youre cliff with turrets next to them and a floating rax over you cliff so you cant be fucked by wraiths+tank drop on youre cliff.
then get 3 port wraiths while starting youre +1 attack up for youre wraiths, send 2 scvs to youre island, put turrets+cc there whenever you have extra mins.
try to contain him, keep scanning him and get more wraiths/more tanks to counter what he has (tanks vs gols, wraiths vs tanks/wraiths, valks vs wraiths).
deny him his expoes as long as possible with youre wraiths and a dropship or two with tanks while expoing yourself.
try to contain him with turrets/tanks at his choke.
this does not have to hold him, just slow him down a bit and force him to get a few dropships instead of pure ground.
the key to tvt is getting a better economy then his, so denying him expoes and getting expoes yourself and protecting them.

[ReD_ICE]

thanks man...actually, i've beaten him once already...except i dont think i could win the next time...ill try to post the replay...but anyway...thanks again.

[thefazant]

heres a tvt i just played it shows pretty well what i do in tvt

[ReD_ICE]

wow...yeah...that was some replay...could u maybe TEACH me sometimes on bnet? (but i play in asia though....)
ps. i really wanna become a good terran player ^^

[DS-Shadow]

What you did wrong

No scouting for expos:

He had 2 operating expos which you knew nothing about the whole game

You made bad decisions:

2 tanks on your cliff. You have over 5+ tanks free. You leave your 1 tank to try to defend the cliff w/o a baracks. If you have free minerals (like 500+) use them! Armory, Starport (wraiths), upgrades, turrents.

You scan into his base. You see 1 port with a a/o, 2 factories and some tanks. You have no port. What you do? Think about it. Firstly where is he getting the money to out produce you? I would've secured my natural with 3 tanks, rax. One thing I noticed is that you got stressed and let him keep turrents above you. You should've not yeilded any ground and destoryed them.

You had good scanning though. And you tried to to micro (lets face it micros hard =)). But one part I don't understand is why you attacked his cliff with your tank force and lost your whole force 6-1? What did you think when you were doing that? Because that part had me stoned

[ReD_ICE]

i know the errors...and i've beaten him twice since then...(we really only PLAYED twice ever since)...and i know his disadvantages...if u observe his build order, he was a LOT slower than mine, and he often went for 2 port wraiths...i understood his way of playing, so last time, i contained him with tanks, turrets, vultures(mines), and i also got a base of my own ^^