Where Are The Xel'Naga coming from?

[RelinaIonna]

Xel’Naga this and Xel’Naga that. Every Xel’Naga that were present at the Zerg’s home world were wiped out. Their a nomadic race and therefore don't settle on a planet for long. I can see only a few possible answers if we follow what is inside the SC manual. 1: There were Xel’Naga World Ships left on Auir, perhaps some stragglers. 2: The Xel’Naga had some other experiment and a portion of their fleet resided over some other planet. 3: A portion of the fleet departed from the main fleet over the Zerg home world, to do some errand like scouting out for their next experiment. Beyond those few can anyone tell think of why their would be Xel’Naga in SC2. (The manual doesn’t make sound like their were any survivors from the Zerg assault, and the Zerg nature would seem support it.)

[cpt.beefhart]

im sure they could just introduce the last few Xel'naga(Out from hiding to finally help the protoss again) it would be cool if after all this time developing races, they themselves are left to die of as a race of Gods and help there first Race on to the last part of THERE evo.....But ultimatley......Doomed

[Shinigami]

I chose opción cuatro: the Xel'Naga fleet wasn't wiped out. I cite the StarCraft Manual, page 53, paragraph 4. "As the greater whole of the Xel'Naga race was consumed by the raging, genetic whirlwind of Zerg..."

[RelinaIonna]

Hehe, I love a good challenge. You realy make my forum life alot more difficult, but interesting and fun. Thx.

[RelinaIonna]

I chose opción cuatro: the Xel'Naga fleet wasn't wiped out. I cite the StarCraft Manual, page 53, paragraph 4. "As the greater whole of the Xel'Naga race was consumed by the raging, genetic whirlwind of Zerg...""THE FALL OF THE XEL’NAGA

The pride in their achievements proved to be the fatal downfall of the Xel'Naga. The Overmind, while slowly expanding itself into the void of space, became aware of the mighty Xel'Naga world-ships hovering ominously above the skies of Zerus. The Xel'Naga, having kept a constant watch on the Overmind, were horrified to find that it had actually severed their psychic link, effectively hiding itself from their view. With its need to consume driving its minions into a lustful frenzy, the Overmind launched the now space-faring Zerg swarms at the unsuspecting Xel'Naga. The ancient race did what they could to stem the tide of the ever-advancing Zerg onslaught, but in the end their efforts were in vain. Wave after wave of Zerg swarms hammered the reinforced hulls of the Xel'Naga's ships with no signs of abatement. Within only a few hours the Zerg overran the defenses of their creators and laid waste to the Xel'Naga fleet.
As the greater whole of the Xel'Naga race was consumed by the raging, genetic whirlwind of the Zerg, the Overmind gained the knowledge and insights of its masters. The Overmind processed thousands of sentient beings into itself, causing it to grow far more powerful than it had ever imagined. It learned the secrets of the sacred Khaydarin Crystals, and began to incorporate the energies of these Crystals into its own. Through the intimate knowledge of evolution and proto-genetic physiology gained from the Xel'Naga, the Overmind was able to increase the level of sentience in many of the higher Zerg strains, while still keeping them fully under its control.
Through dissecting the memories of the Xel'Naga, the Overmind was made aware of the myriad races that had at one time or another been influenced by the ancient race. The Xel'Naga had kept a detailed genetic history of each race, giving the Overmind a clear understanding of their respective strengths and weaknesses. Most importantly, the Overmind learned of an exceedingly powerful race that lived near the galaxy's fringe known only as the Protoss. The Overmind knew then that the Protoss and the Zerg would be caught in an inevitable, apocalyptic conflict. "

OK, I've analyzed this section and can see both sides of the argument. But as I take it in as a whole I notice that it says "As." Meaning durring the time the zerg had destroyed most of the Xel'naga fleet. You can read it how you like. Personaly I find that it doesn't go on the clafrify whether the rest of the Xel'naga are consumed or escape. But believe what you want.

[Shinigami]

The pride in their achievements proved to be the fatal downfall of the Xel'Naga.
I'll admit that at first I was hard-pressed to find a way to respond to this. You colored "fatal" and so I concentrated on that, but when I realized what it was describing I knew I had found the error in your logic that had until then eluded me. Downfall. As Shinitenshi so eloquently put it "... the Protoss experienced their own fatal downfall at the hands of their Conclave and the Zerg when 70% of Aiur's population was massacred."

OK, I've analyzed this section and can see both sides of the argument. But as I take it in as a whole I notice that it says "As." Meaning durring the time the zerg had destroyed most of the Xel'naga fleet. You can read it how you like. Personaly I find that it doesn't go on the clafrify whether the rest of the Xel'naga are consumed or escape. But believe what you want.
Blizzard didn't toss "the greater whole" in for nothing. If they wanted to say that the Xel'Naga were to be completely destroyed it would have been much more logical to say "As the Xel'Naga were consumed". Adding "the greater whole" when the entire fleet was decimated anyway would be pretty pointless (unless the entire fleet was decimated but there were others [albeit very few as the "greater whole" was annihilated]). Those three extra words leave room for Blizzard to bring back the Xel'Naga in some form, whether through a new race, Duran or simply themselves.

[RelinaIonna]

I realy do enjoy this, but since I have run thin on counter resources I will put it like this: Blizzard doesn't like to paint itself into a corner and it is this that probably accounts for that opening. It still dosen't clearly define what happened to the rest of the Xel'naga and I don't see a way of proving the out come until SC2 is released and it shows that the Xel'naga are their and were surviviors of the Zerg assault and not from another one of the other options. I haven't won the argument, but I won't admit a loss, I leave it on nuetral ground.

[Coolness53]

Have you played the secret misson in BW. That is why everyone is thinking that they are going to make the new race. Duran is the cheif behind the zerg and protoss mix. Which is the Xel'Naga.

[RelinaIonna]

Um, It doesn't clearly define the Xel'naga as Duran's master or as the hybrids in the secret mission. I could see some evil exiled Xel'naga who preformed some forbidden experiments or whatever, but I don't know who the master realy is. And the Hybrids are just that hybrids, unity of the purity of essence and form.

[Shinigami]

Which is the Xel'Naga.
Who? The Protoss/Zerg hybrid or Duran? Either way you're talking as if a fact and I can guarantee you that at the time I post this it is unconfirmed by any reliable sources (read: Blizzard).

[blkmage]

Why would there be Xel'Naga left on Aiur? The Protoss killed off a whole bunch of them, and if the Protoss didn't get them on Aiur, then the Zerg overrunning the planet surely would have weeded out any possible survivors.

There are probably a few Xel'Naga left, but not enough to be a power in the galaxy.

[Shinigami]

Why would there be Xel'Naga left on Aiur? The Protoss killed off a whole bunch of them, and if the Protoss didn't get them on Aiur, then the Zerg overrunning the planet surely would have weeded out any possible survivors.
Who said anything about Xel'Naga being left on Auir? They had experiments before the Protoss and they could have left a portion of the fleet to look over another, slower-paced race.

There are probably a few Xel'Naga left, but not enough to be a power in the galaxy.
That's an ignorant thing to say we have no idea how many Xel'Naga their fleet contained, not to mention the definition of "the greater whole". Hell, even how many Xel'Naga are needed to be a "power" in the galaxy is debatable.

[Case_in_point]

Who said anything about Xel'Naga being left on Auir? They had experiments before the Protoss and they could have left a portion of the fleet to look over another, slower-paced race.

I thought the Protoss were there first experiment. It says the name means first born, and I don't remember reading about them doing any other projects than the Zerg, though I could be wrong about how many projects they did. *Goes to read Starcraft manual*

[Shinigami]

*Goes to read Starcraft manual*
Let me save you some time:

"The Xel'Naga, or 'wanderes from afar', was rumored to have seeded and cultivated thousands of various species on the cold and barren worlds within their domain."

[cpt.beefhart]

Through the intimate knowledge of evolution and proto-genetic physiology gained from the Xel'Naga, the Overmind ,
Through dissecting the memories of the Xel'Naga, the Overmind was made aware of the myriad races that had at one time or another been influenced by the ancient race




Duran is the overmind and the overmind is the closest thing to the Xel'naga, if duran is working on a new form of life (HYBRID) the ONLY way blizzard (i hope)can, even it up, is if the Xel'naga come back and fight alongside there old races or at least help in some way. (protoss mainly, Are terrains xel'nagas too? rel?).
You can be confident though that whatever Blizzard decide to do, its been on the storyboards for a LONG time and everything is written in a very open manner for a good reason.

[blkmage]

Where is it revealed that Duran is the Overmind?

Why would the Xel'Naga want to fight alongside the Protoss? They were a failed creation, whereas with the Zerg, they achieved their goals.

[cpt.beefhart]

*SigH* :\

Trust me duran is the overmind hes FAR to intelligent to have died.

and if the Xel'naga don't help they' be wiped out as well as the protoss (there both on an ancient Xel'naga world maybe there are a few statsis pod or ancient xel'naga weapons(the crystal tower is there perhaps more can be made) )

and the zerg were a failed experiment, they obliterated there creators

[blkmage]

Since when does obliterating your creators make you a failure?
I think you'd definitely be a success if you could surpass those who created you.
And in the manual, it says that their goals were accomplished withe the Zerg.

And the Duran is the Overmind thing sounds like you're BS-ing to me. You have no definite proof to that claim.
However smart the Overmind may be, if you're dead, you're dead.

[cpt.beefhart]

The Xel'Naga, having kept a constant watch on the Overmind, were horrified to find that it had actually severed their psychic link, effectively hiding itself from their view. With its need to consume driving its minions into a lustful frenzy, the Overmind launched the now space-faring Zerg swarms at the unsuspecting Xel'Naga. The ancient race did what they could to stem the tide of the ever-advancing Zerg onslaught, but in the end their efforts were in vain. Wave after wave of Zerg swarms hammered the reinforced hulls of the Xel'Naga's ships with no signs of abatement. Within only a few hours the Zerg overran the defenses of their creators and laid waste to the Xel'Naga fleet.
BLKmage

i suppose the xel'naga were delighted that the zerg were popping up to say hello! while completely Destroying everything in there path.

and the only way Duran could have the knowlegde of the xel'naga (genetic manipulation) is if he was xel'nageion or The Overmind and since he has an infested voice im sticking with OVERMIND theory (this is all IMO thou' don't take it so seriously)

[deadstalker]

im sure they could just introduce the last few Xel'naga(Out from hiding to finally help the protoss again) it would be cool if after all this time developing races, they themselves are left to die of as a race of Gods and help there first Race on to the last part of THERE evo.....But ultimatley......Doomed
Why would the Xel'naga help the protoss? the protoss couldent even make it by themselves.
Why would they help anyone? why dont they just create a new race and start killing off the zerg since the zerg killed many of the Xel'naga?

[cpt.beefhart]

Why would the Xel'naga help the protoss?

the protoss survived the attack of the swarm and killed the first overmind, the one the xel'naga couldn't defend against and if they help the races to survive then they survive too by default also the protoss can now fight back more effectively using dark energys (they can kill Overminds and cerebrates/kerrigan).

why dont they just create a new race and start killing off the zerg since the zerg killed many of the Xel'naga?


it took a huge amount of time to create the zerg. it would take just as much time to start again & there are less xel'naga now then ever hence even more time needed.

[cpt.beefhart]

There are probably a few Xel'Naga left, but not enough to be a power in the galaxy.
even ONE xel'nageion would have a vast knowledge of the zerg, i reckon that pretty powerful.

[Shinigami]

Duran is the overmind
You shouldn't speak so confidently when you're facts and opinions backing this statement are earily rebuked.

and the overmind is the closest thing to the Xel'naga
Except for the Xel'Naga themselves who I believe are still alive. The manual states that the bulk of the Xel'Naga race was wiped out. In my eyes, the only thing disputable about how it was stated in the manual is whether or not the Xel'Naga fleet survived or their were other Xel'Naga elewhere.

the ONLY way blizzard (i hope)can, even it up, is if the Xel'naga come back and fight alongside there old races or at least help in some way.
I'm sure the Xel'Naga will come armed with the same amazing armaments that fended off the Zerg for a few hours before at least the majority of their fleet was decimated.

Trust me duran is the overmind hes FAR to intelligent to have died.
The Overmind was very powerful, yes, but I'm sure his back-up plan was what Daggoth led; the merger of multiple Cerebrates into a nw Overmind. Had the UED not intervened, I don't doubt that this new Overmind would have taken over the Swarm with ease.

and the only way Duran could have the knowlegde of the xel'naga (genetic manipulation) is if he was xel'nageion
Or he could be a member of any other race using highly advanced technology to splice the genes of the Zerg and the Protoss, hence creating these hybrids.

Why would the Xel'naga help the protoss? the protoss couldent even make it by themselves.
The Protoss have evolved a lot since the Xel'Naga left them and the advancements and reunification and such might restore the Xel'Naga's faith in them. The real question is how they would help.

[Case_in_point]

The Protoss where supposed to be of perfect form, and the Zerg of perfect essence, so put them together, you have the perfect being. Play the Black Dream campaigns, they have excellent story lines and have many well thought out theories regarding this stuff. They don't really touch on Duran, but more on the the similarities between the Protoss and Zerg in regard to the Xel'Naga.

Of course, they are just ideas, and aren't official, but they really make you think.

I believe that Blizzard left the story very very open in many areas, and they may not even have a new story line completed. Almost anything can happen at this point, which is why I eagerly await the arrival of Ghost.

[Coolness53]

Ya. I talked to the guy at gamestop a couple days ago. SC ghost is coming out in September. Well I am anixous to play it because of the story also.

[cpt.beefhart]

Or he could be a member of any other race using highly advanced technology to splice the genes of the Zerg and the Protoss, hence creating these hybrids.


HOW all the other race are nowhere near the technology of the xel'naga. and even the overmind(DURAN) who is the closest intelligence to the xel'naga (absorbed all xel'nageion knowledge) is having trouble with genetic splicing.

So don't tell me hes an infested terrian working for the terrains or the protoss or even a xel'nageion working on his own cos if he was, the hybrids would have won already.

Jesus wats with this place i give my OWN view on things and i get flamed for it. FFS

[cpt.beefhart]

You shouldn't speak so confidently when you're facts and opinions backing this statement are earily rebuked.
Where if anything i made a stronger case read ALL my posts on the matter.



Except for the Xel'Naga themselves who I believe are still alive. The manual states that the bulk of the Xel'Naga race was wiped out. In my eyes, the only thing disputable about how it was stated in the manual is whether or not the Xel'Naga fleet survived or their were other Xel'Naga elewhere.

DO u seriously believe the xel'naga are walking around disgusted as infested humans(duran), trying to create another new race from TWO that were failers. i think not.

no DURAN is the overmind hell, hes more ambitious then even Kerrigan, and the hybrids were his idea(an overmind like one) ,
How can he act alone if hes part of Kerrigans Brood and hide his intentions remember she CONTROLLED the dark templars leader the most powerful mind in all the galaxy (or,so u said)

[blkmage]

The Xel'Naga would love to have the Zerg and the Protoss become one. As in the Overmind's speech, one has purity of form and the other has purity of essence - opposite facets of a greater whole. Perhaps their original plan was to eventually combine the two races?

And again, the Overmind exists at the same time Duran does, before and during Brood War. Therefore, they cannot be one and the same. Speaking of which, why would the Overmind want to be Duran?

[Shinigami]

HOW all the other race are nowhere near the technology of the xel'naga. and even the overmind(DURAN) who is the closest intelligence to the xel'naga (absorbed all xel'nageion knowledge) is having trouble with genetic splicing.
The Terran, Protoss and Zerg may not be as technologically advanced as the Xel'Naga, but they don't need to be. You don't have to be the creator of these races to splice their genes together and attempt to create a Protoss/Zerg hybrid. You said Dran was having issues with the hybridization which is all the more reason that he is not the Overmind. By consuming the midns of hundreds, possibly thousands of Xel'Naga he should be able to do it pretty damn well. Yet he's having issues. Why is it so hard to believe he's a Terran using highly advanced gene-splicing technology?

Jesus wats with this place i give my OWN view on things and i get flamed for it. FFS
I can't speak for the others, but I have yet to flame you, I'm merely debating with you.

[AppleTurtle]

i have 2 theories on duran and the xel' naga

1. Duran is a hidden xel' naga that has been waiting for his time to build the perfect race. if so the race would have to have some flaw to even out the game.

2. Duran is a human working on making more pets to the terrans, like they tried with the overmind and the zerg.

DURAN CANNOT BE ZERG FOR 2 REASONS

1. the zerg are far too arrogant and they would never use the DNA of a mortal enimy.

2. if the zerg were to do it, all theyed need to do is plug the dna into a larva. if you know anything about the history of the zerg, you know thats all they need to do.

[Coolness53]

I am pretty sure he isnt human. I dont think he is apart of the overmind either. The one clue that he gives you is that he is being control by someone else. I think he is very old. He has deceived the Queen of Blades, not many people can pull that off. Kerrigan is very smart and she has shown it through Brood War. Backstabbing everyone and climbing to the top. Kerrigan's Zerg is the winner of Brood War as we all know. But Kerrigan has no idea what Duran is doing. The Terran dont know either. The only person that knows is Zeratul and Duran already said that he has hundred's or thousands capsule filled with protoss/zerg hybrid. Maybe he doesnt have a army but give him a little time and he will show he true colors :).

[Geckat]

I hope the Xel'Naga are a race to play in Starcraft II. But I don't think they'd side with the Protoss. They built the Zerg to befriend and control the Protoss (as they were killing each other), and their experiments both went wrong. They may come to wipe out all of the races, including the Terrans for getting mixed up in what they shouldn't have. Any ideas on what the Xel'Naga are like?

I'm guessing they're like Protoss, but since the Zerg turned on them and sucked them into their genetic stream, but the Overmind couldn't control them very well so he discarded them, they're probably the infested Protoss that were in the secret mission. The Terrans probably recreated the Xel'Naga!

[Visions_of_Khas]

Heh, I have had a theory that the Xel'Naga were trying to create a new race in wihch they could inhabit, for their bodies were dying. LoL, but if they had that advanced a technology, then why couldn't they just clone themselves. Perhaps they had to turn their ailing bodies to mechanical shells, and wiashed to once more have living vessels. But if either of these are the case, then why did they treat the Protoss with such kindness? Both theories are unlikely.

[Ghost_Assasain]

I have a Wacky Idea...

What if the Terran's are or more put were the Xel'Naga.
But the Terrans having lost themselves extermintated themselves until only earth Survived.
And then earth was put back into the Medievil ages through loss of Tech on acount of it all being blown up and Stuff.

The Terrans once rulers of entire Galaxies and Creator of Races now in a war with it's unkowing creations.

Lol i rekon it a stupid Theory but one that could pass given there and our nature to kill each other.

[cpt.beefhart]

1. the zerg are far too arrogant and they would never use the DNA of a mortal enimy.

2. if the zerg were to do it, all theyed need to do is plug the dna into a larva. if you know anything about the history of the zerg, you know thats all they need to do.
the overmind used the dna of a human to create its new child how is that arrogant.
also..

the larve are the beginnng stage(the first form of the zerg), its how the overmind CHOOSES the larve to develop that makes it what it is.
The overmind (duran?imho) is using the techniques of the xel'naga(since he acquired the knowlegde from the 'Naga fleet) to develop/evolve the hybrid race (zerg/'toss) but the couldn't get any of his minions to aid him in his research so he took human form (the best scientists) and is using them to make his dream come true (the perfect race). also there is more then one human/overmind form IMO (only), hes was the overmind afterall.
Why make one of yourself when u can make a few dozen with a better chance of survival and be the perfect spy to boot.

[RelinaIonna]

I say the Overmind had he live would of asimilated what was left of the protoss be it a desire from xel'naga he asimilated or merely to improve the swarm.

[Visions_of_Khas]

The desire for perfection was a trait the Xel'Naga programmed into all Zerg; it is their primary drive, their true reason for being. The Overmind represented these instincsts and drives, for it was the amalgamted consciousness of the Zerg race, that had, through complicated Xel'Naga technologies, effectively became its own sentient being, in turn creating semi-independant creatures called Cerebrates. Each cerebrate contains a specific task and directive given by the Overmind. It's a beautiful, complicated system.

[DrowElf]

Really, I'm not in the mood to read this, but just to leave my note, I thought I read in the Aeon of Strife about the Protoss slaughtering the Xel'Naga because they tried to leave Auir, and the Protoss believed that they would be left in the dark without them.

Just what I remember, no slaughter.

[cpt.beefhart]

hmmmm

[cpt.beefhart]

I say the Overmind had he live would of asimilated what was left of the protoss be it a desire from xel'naga he asimilated or merely to improve the swarm.
which is exactly what duran is doing!

[RelinaIonna]

Hybrids are a mix of 'toss and zerg genes and are grown to perfection. Whereas in assimilation th protoss aren't just infested they are reproduced until they are a zerg strain with a protoss core genus. Not half n half. Infestaions is when zerg cells infest a unit and dominate them.

[Visions_of_Khas]

Isn't there a "Delete Post" button somewhere around here? :shiftyl: :shiftyr:

[Netrunner]

God, I'm sick of the Xel'Naga why don't we have races pop out of nowwhere, forcing every race to adapt quickly. and adding more strategy to the game, you have to know how to fight FOUR races, not three.

[cpt.beefhart]

God, I'm sick of the Xel'Naga why don't we have races pop out of nowwhere, forcing every race to adapt quickly. and adding more strategy to the game, you have to know how to fight FOUR races, not three.

why couldn't the xel'naga POP out of no were. :rolleyes: it would fit nicely with the universe since THERE nowhere to be found ('cept maybe durran) :bigsmile:

[RelinaIonna]

God, I'm sick of the Xel'Naga why don't we have races pop out of nowwhere, forcing every race to adapt quickly. and adding more strategy to the game, you have to know how to fight FOUR races, not three.Actually I agree somewhat, I personaly would rather see soem ancient power thats not a xel'naga be linked to durran. Even if it was a rival race of the Xel'naga.

[RelinaIonna]

Isn't there a "Delete Post" button somewhere around here? :shiftyl: :shiftyr:I started this thread and people are welcome to say what they want no matter how different. All within the rule of forum conduct.

[DrowElf]

Now that I've read a little bit, I think that would be the best. I've not read everything so don't get on my ass if this has been pre-suggested.

Aside from reading the release date, no information is out about SC2, so I hope that there are two outcoming races. I wouldn't like anymore, but if they added just one more than these two, I wouldn't be that pissed off.

One: Duran's new breed. Obviously a hybrid of Zerg-Protoss. Why any other work?
Two: Xel'Naga strike-back. Either the hellacious genuisii of the Xel'Naga, or their newest creation after the failed Protoss and Zerg becomes finally revealed.

I'm honestly ambivilant about any game becoming better than Star-Craft. However, on the offchance that SC2 is just Star-Craft with upgraded shit and more missions, I think I'd cream myself.

[RelinaIonna]

However, on the offchance that SC2 is just Star-Craft with upgraded shit and more missions, I think I'd cream myself.I think beacause of what starcraft is to everyone, blizzard has been so reluctant to get started on an sc2. If its does bomb or isn't as good if not better than sc/bw than they may verry well lose their alot of their audience for ever.

[Visions_of_Khas]

I started this thread and people are welcome to say what they want no matter how different. All within the rule of forum conduct.

I meant that I posted something, then later thought it unnecessary, and so wanted it deleted. Sorry if there was a bit of confusion.

[RelinaIonna]

I meant that I posted something, then later thought it unnecessary, and so wanted it deleted. Sorry if there was a bit of confusion.no harm no foul :)

[SSA_Ultimasheep]

i'm confused everyone keeps talking about this secret mission and i have no clue what they are talking about. will someone plz explain :cry:

[Lord_Sirian]

Ever heard of procreation people? No hybrids, the Xel'Naga will come back as themselves, maybe with a defence against the Zerg. You dont think they'll come back empty handed?

[SDForce]

first im gonna be writing only with letters and periods so forgive me if you cant understand. my theory on the supposed SC2:
1: duran is not part of the xel'naga...
2: i am also one of the hopefuls of sc2 and believe that the xel'naga is still in existance...
3: i think that duran shall make a species thru the knowledge of the overmind and therefore the xel'naga. i also think that the xel'naga will come back in sc2 if there is going to be one. they would probably be looking for revenge against the zerg and protoss since they have both betrayed their masters. they wouldnt be as powerful as before so the protoss and zerg would be formidable opponents. the zerg would be the biggest threat since in the end of bw they ended pretty well. the ued would probably try their schemes at trying to figure out wat the hell is going on half way across the galaxy (with the zerg and protoss)... durans race would most likely be the xel'nagas and terrans main objective (xel'nagas secondary)... if SC2 was to come out i wouldnt be suprised if a few lost souls make a comeback... (ie. Raynor)... In conclusion, Blizzard would probably take all of our ideas into acct IF theyre to make SC2... For the meanwhile, Im hoping that sc ghost will answer some of our questions... My next statement will sound hippocritcal yet i feel this is needed to be said... Get a life! The fact of the matter is that Blizzard hasnt even announced any plans about SC2... Be satisfied with wat you have... You have a beautiful game at your disposal... Play it... Hope that SC ghost will provide you with enough action and storyline to satisfy you... IF they do announce SC2, may the speculation once again return. That sounded very hippocritcal. In advance i apologize.

I am SD x[SD]x -=AoW=- KbK s[SD]d

[Ole-The-Murder]

i'm confused everyone keeps talking about this secret mission and i have no clue what they are talking about. will someone plz explain :cry:
I heard it's a secret mission between Zerg Mission 7 or 8 in Broodwar or something..not sure?....I'd never seen it, since I didn't complete it withouth cheats...but it was HARD..real..real..hard...I didn't realize I had to have them off to complete it. But it's a secret mission where Duran and Zeratul meet, I've also heard..

[RelinaIonna]

How is it hard, You mind control the damn BC's and Science vessels. It just takes patience while the Dark Archons recharge their energy.

[Visions_of_Khas]

*Sigh*

If you capture the Matriarch away from the Protoss on Char within fifteen or thirty minutes, I think it is, you will unlonk the secret mission, "Dark Origins". Here, you are the Protoss, and Zeratul tells his men of the great defeat they have just suffered: their fleets have been almost completely destroyed, many of their brethren have lost, Kerrigan now lords over the broods, and the Dark Templar Matriarch has been killed. They detect psionic emenations from an uncharted moon, and Zeratul investigates with a small squad. Here you learn that Duran serves not Kerrigan, but a far greater power, and that he is creating the Hybrids, a mix of Protoss and Zerg. After the mission, Zeratul goes off to parts unknown, unable to explain his findings to his brothers...

As Relina Ionna said, it's not particularly hard, it just requires your patience.

[Min]

Aint sure if this was posted, but the Protoss never betrayed the Xel'Naga if my memory serves correctly. The Xel'Naga thought they were pushing the protoss to fast, therefor the Xel'Nage took the protoss as a failed creation. The Ships left and overtime the protoss psionic links between tribes became bad. Eventually they went into a civil war.
This civil war was called... "The Aeon of Strife"

I belive my memory serves correctly.

Also i believe Duran is Xel'Naga.
Most of Xel'Naga ships were destroyed, and not all of the Xel'Naga would be in 1 spot....they would be spread out far far away. I believe the Xel'Naga are once again trying to create the perfect race. Yet at the same time cleaning up there messes with the other 2 failed creations.

No one knows for sure, although i would like to get the book (written by blizzard) "The Shadow of the Xel'Naga".

[RelinaIonna]

not all of the Xel'Naga would be in 1 spot....they would be spread out far far away.Xel'naga are a nomadic race, but it doesn't say if the travel as seperate groups or as one big community.

If the Xel'naga are nomadic, what happened to their homeworld?

[ZergTyrant]

in the secret mission u find out that duran is xel-naga and they are makin zerg/protoss hybrids. WUT A GREAT SETUP FOR STARCRAFT2. There problebly will be xelnaga and the hybrids in the new starcaft 2 that im hopin will cum out soon.

*sighs, curls up into a little ball and sobs*

ok all better now
plz replie tothis post:bigsmile:

o, and u can get that book shadows of the xel'naga at barnesandnobles.com I think.....

[MrMer]

I don't remember that the secret mission stated that Duran was a Xel Naga. It just showed the hybrid.

[Duddits]

Is it an actual mission, or is it just a cinimatic? I don' have my BW copy with me, so I can't check.

[RelinaIonna]

Its a mission

[Duddits]

Ahhh... ok.

Lemme get this strait, though. You have to beabt it under 20 minutes w/o codes? Eh, doesn't sound bad, but still. (If not, I'll have to hexedit SC to give me infinte minny and gassy).

[RelinaIonna]

why, just use built in cheats if nesesary. But their plenty of tutorials online that will tell you how to beat it quickly.

[ZergTyrant]

The mission isnt that hard.....all u need to do is make like 1-2 groups of guardians, and a shit load of hydras...

attack at about 15 minutes to go becuase it usually takes 5-10 minutes to clear out the base...damn reavers

but its well worth it...the next mission is pretty cool

[RelinaIonna]

See their a strategy for, you besides cheats are only meant to help bottom rung players who are stuck on something.

[ZergTyrant]

Well i think if your addicted to starcraft u shouldnt need cheets to beet a level.......they aren't that hard anyway...the comp is soooooooooo predictable.

Now, using cheets to beet a lev cuz your to lazy is a diff thing.......

[Valjean]

Another strat is to just mass mutas and then take about a fourth of them, turn that fourth into guardians, and then take about an eighth of the remaining mutas and turn them into devourers. Add some scourges too. Then just attack the protoss and keep reinforcing your attack by building more units and flying them over. Also, just ingore the terrans unless they do a huge attack on you. And just incase, have proper defenses set up in your base.

[ZergTyrant]

That to.....well u dont need to be that....excessive.

or u could just mass hydras up the ass and mad rush em into the base and let them kick ass.

really no big effort into that mission

[Jodalo]

in the secret mission u find out that duran is xel-nagaDuran serves not Kerrigan, but a far greater power
I believe that as stated before the zerg destroyed most of the Xel'Naga therefore Duran can not be a Xel'Nagian because he states that he serves a far greater power than Kerrigan, henceforth Duran cannot be a Xel'Nagian.


Heres the equation
Kerrigan is zerg+zerg destroyed Xel'naga= Duran not Xel'Nagian:p

[Duddits]

Remember though-- The heros have an unusally high ego for themselves. Considering Kerrigan got owned by a ground of zeal and goons once in one of the mission I played, how powerful can she be?

Yes, that made so sence other than I wasn't paying attention to her. She is the queen bitch of the universe though.

[ZergTyrant]

OK, kerrigan IS the queen bitch of the universe...

It said in the story that most of the xel'naga were destroyed...but not all obviously. The rest pulled back into the depths of space...so duran could be xel'naga. Plus he said "young kerrigan" meaning that he is much much older that she is and the zerg and terrans dont live that long...this meaning he could very well be xel'naga....besides...he has cool voice and he is NOT protoss.

And he says he serves a far greater power than kerrrigan...and at this time zerg is the most powerful force...he is xel'naga and also works for them.

Besides...xel'naga pretty much made the zerg and that takes great intelligence as does makin hybrids.

[RelinaIonna]

Its possible that Durran is Xel'naga, but since its neither confirmed nor denied I choose not to believe he isn't. But an alien servant of an unknown ancient race serving his master.

[general_raynor]

'serves a far greater power than "kerrigan"'

this doesnt necessarily mean a different race
this may be far fetched but it could mean the original overmind. when tassadar attacked it his mind could have merged with the overmind, hence protoss and zerg merging therefore hybrids, im just saying it doesnt necessarily mean xel'naga just a 'greater power than kerrigan'

[RelinaIonna]

true enough, again it comes down to personal preference

[ZergTyrant]

Wut it really comes down to is Blizzard...
doesn't matter wut we think because we aren't behind the making of the game/storyline...
Wutever Blizzard wants to happen, will happen with the game.

BTW, cool idea about the overmind/tassadar thing..

[RelinaIonna]

Until blizzard clarifies Durrans origins all we can do is speculate. Their for our ideas and opinions being whats out their, so no currently it comes down to us.

[ZergTyrant]

Well i guess......

BTW is your little sig animation flippin me off? lol

[Knovascene]

i know this is kinda of dumb to make you guys debate again but what if kerrigan knows of what duran is doing it is playing into her hand like a chess peace

[J_Tal]

the duran is not the overmind unless you can give me some real proof. what i can see is that duran is "special" and has more abilitys than he lets on. the voice could be a disguise for kerigan so she asumes he is infested. him being xel'naga, i say oy i dont think he is but that is debatible.

but we all agree that duran is "special" right?

quick question, has anyone read the 3rd sc book(cant remember the name but was about the xel'naga)? and what was that creature?!? since they wrote about it and printed it...they will tie it in somehow.

anyway tell me what you think about that

ps i know the duran thing is speculation but i thik it is funny.

[RelinaIonna]

Thats book 2: shadow of the Xel'naga. No fuckign idea what it is or its purpose.

[Van.Hellsing]

Have you played the secret misson in BW. That is why everyone is thinking that they are going to make the new race. Duran is the cheif behind the zerg and protoss mix. Which is the Xel'Naga.

I have not played the secret mission and im sure others havn't either so could some 1 tell me how to get to it and it would clarify Alot.

[Foreign_Dog]

Hrm... Not to piss you guys off...but I've been playing sc for a few years (not that this is relevant) and just got battlechest the other day to play brood war..(still not to the point) but on the back of the battle chest box near the picture on the case of the original starcraft, it says.. and I quote..
It is a time of crisis. Three OF THE MOST powerful forces in the universe are headed on a collision course for galactic domination. I capitalized OF THE MOST simply because I dont belleive that these three races are going to be the only ones waging this war in the second starcraft game. The Xel'Naga are obviously destructively powerful,but also meek, and pretentious like the protoss..besides..who created them? -hint- -nudge-
Another theory is that one of the other races the xel naga created comes in and is even more destructive then the last two.. lets put this into perspective, folks. The Zerg used large tissue and muscle groups to create buildings, which then produced larva which then could be grown into warriors or builders,which drew from the creep in the ground to make more buildings. etc. The Protoss empire is powered my pylon fields which make psi. without this psi all buildings are useless..(kinda like creep) but both races are very destructive. The Terran are nomadic, and are self sufficient. (another irrelevant point: Devourer + Valkrie = really nice though) I think this eliminates the possibility of anything terran being made by the xelnaga. However,I could imagine another race will comeabout, interbred from the many xelnaga's races in the world..(think the critters,like ragnasaurs..they could be made by the xelnaga)Hrm? One who uses machines like the terrans? Who knows the possibilities..they may not even add another race at all and keep the same three waring 3! Noone will ever know until sc2 comes out. Don't force your veiws on anyone,until BLIZZARD puts something in a game or prints it, it's not official. =)

[LordHarrison]

I think that Duran being Xel'Naga simply makes the most sense...To take it from his own words he is doing a "grand experiment" This is EXACTLY what the Xel'Naga would do..Not to mention that this experiment involves genetics and evolution, Xel'Naga hobbie again. He has been around for countless millennia? Well the Protoss can live for thousands of years so i assume the Xel'Naga can as well.

[Frattimonde]

This may sound silly or wrong.

But could It not be possible that the Xel`Naga are the Burning Legion?
Considering how evil the Zerg are, and that the Xel`Naga created them.

Could It not be a small chance?

[RelinaIonna]

Um..... You have to be a SC player to know how wrong that is. Especialy if you know about the Protoss.

[King_master]

Alright, I patiently read the entire posts, what a reading. (GASPS)

My question is, if Duran is truly some type of ancient entity, then where does Duran get his human appearance?
My theory is, is that Duran somehow was born a human, and like all ghosts which he was born as possibly, became telepathic. As he aged, Duran enhanced his mind abiliities to the extreme.
As for the storyline:
If the Starcraft team at blizzard is as good since the last publishing of starcraft, then I think that they will give us something totaly unexpected. I mean I thought the protoss in BW were going to slaughter the zerg in the end. But no, Kerrigan wiped out everyone. I guess if I were to make a conclusion, a I think nice climax would be if the terran some how turned the tide, I mean the terran have been sorta a buffer zone in the entire series. The terran may devolop a technology, that surpasses any of the 2 other races, and possibly the Xel-Naga.

[RelinaIonna]

Hes a shape shifter and his unit is a ghost type but I don't think hes exactly a ghost. I mean Stukov isn't really a ghost either.

[King_master]

Hes a shape shifter and his unit is a ghost type but I don't think hes exactly a ghost. I mean Stukov isn't really a ghost either.
Well I did say possibly, shape shifter or telepath he has a complex mind, the difference between Stukov and Duran though, is that Duran seems to have a much older taste about him than Stukov does. Stukov is an officer with a good strategic mind but no where near a telepath. In the Bonus Mission, Duran say's that "A power that has existed for countless ages." Which in my mind, gives me clues to think that he has some mental influence, because in order for him even know about how long it's been, he'd have to have some kind of ability to understand what Xel-Naga did. So if he is part of the Xel-Naga, (or just a really beafed up terran ghost) Then he would have to have powerful mind abilities. Specialy if he was working with a telepathic group like the Xel-Naga and their creations.

[Sasuke308]

duran is actually like a spy sent by xel'naga to check on the protoss and zerg and then mix them together to make a hybrid like zealot's strong attack power with zergling's fast speed= zeling or watever.

[RelinaIonna]

Oh god not another one of these people. There's no damn proof that his
master(s) are Xel'naga and most of everything is speculation. Read through this damn thread for a debate on it or don't. w/e

[Foreign_Dog]

especially my thread. Don't force your veiws on everyone or expect to get flamed :D
-digs through pocket and pulls out giant book that couldn't possibly fit in there-
-flips through pages-
Ah! Here it is! general forum rule number 7: Anyone who forces their stupid repetetive opinion on someone else or states the obvious, untrue, or repeats someone else will get smacked with a giant inflatable pink gorilla into a state of coma. You will then become the gorilla's bitch. have a nice day.

[Dr_Inferno]

This conversation is getting extremely nerdy, come on, the Xel'naga either got wiped out, or didn't, no big deal.

[khaozxmaster]

Story 1: not my idea
yo durran can be a species of a ancient power (xel naga) that was awaken during the protoss/zerg/or terran war somewhere from the original starcraft sagas. now durran can be a power that the xel naga themselves abandon him from ever awakening and durran probably had the power to create such species that has both powers of zergs and protoss but no weakness when the table came up with the idea of creating a race. now xel naga saw this and probably put durran a long time ago to sleep for his idea and his capabilites to do so. so xel naga was feared of this and put him to sleep for xel naga was a peaceful race and probably sent him off somewhere where no being can ever awake him. Durran probably was the dark minded force of xel naga with powers to use to kill and not for peaceful purpose. maby he was the one to be born to control the universe. and ever so during that durran seem to have grown to become just that. and xel naga had many reasons to abandon him...

STORY NUMBER 2: the best of them all
or maby duran is a all powerful ancient creature that was part of the creation of the universe. for protoss have said. all my gods. keyword "Gods" meaning they might of praised some gods that the xel naga have taught them to praise on. and durran could be a ancient creature that the gods themselves had to step up to the plate and stop durran but it was a sacrafice which caught both gods and durran to there own banishment. Durran has awaken and saught to want to awaken his true power but to do so he needs time and maby to capture something remain peices of his power in the universe that seem so guarded by the species of protoss/terran/zerg. so he went for the weak mind (terran) and decided to use there technology for that purpose. and you know the rest is history....durran< and his species is the Gods first creation but with that in mind the gods realize that durran future was to control the universe with force from what was told in the book of prophecies of the gods. maby . and xel naga was the next species of creation making them peaceful creators to expand the universe. durran was probably jealous of xel naga powers to create. so what he did was he was about to wage war on xel naga and durran and his species were then confronted with the gods. which was a horrible war for the gods thought durran and his people were gonna be taken out in one shot. but durran mastermind the gods and hid something from the gods own eye and ambolish all the 4 gods (the creators of the galaxy where they live at). and then durran (last remainder of his species) was then accidently use that power to put him to rest for good. xel naga went to the scene and found there gods put to rest in some sort of a item and same with durran thinking. the 4 gods are kept in a very secret place. maby where the dark templers planet are at where a secret templer of xel naga was placed. part 2 of starcraft. durran will use his new species to destroy kerrigen and from there he could find what he been looking for his powers remains. meanwhile the protoss uncover and awaken the 4 gods who too have hardly the powers that they once had but need to find there remains of power as well. the ancient first war has come in a big surprise of durran great universe control. there nightmares of durran with more power then these gods has been realized and the gods are now set to be tested with there xel naga first creation on there side. the hybrid is just a back up plan for durran. for he is trying to recreate his species and rule the universe with his bethrehen and create his children and his reigne from there and take over the gods throne as the Universal Ruler.
^^be honest with everyone in this board. this idea was set on the blizzard board team story board. starcraft 2 taste as you may add. and i know all of you are wondering who i am. and yea right you lieing. tell all that to me. dont phase me actually i know who i am and what i do for living. it is up to you to understand that yes. blizzard is secretly working on SC2 project. but doesnt seem no more of a secret for what i have told you the story board that might be the SC2 story. now beleive it or not it is up to you. maby in the near future when you see signs of SC2 and when it does come out. you'll play and pass the game. and realize hey who was this guy he mention of this. so i hope you do like the story cause its the number 1 top story for the board of design. thank you and have a nice day

[LordHarrison]

This may sound silly or wrong.

But could It not be possible that the Xel`Naga are the Burning Legion?
Considering how evil the Zerg are, and that the Xel`Naga created them.

Could It not be a small chance?
Well that statement just makes no sense so i will ignore it...However i would like to correct that the Zerg ARE NOT EVIL. The Overmind is not Evil nor are his cerebrates. The Overmind wanted to make his race genetically perfect and destroy all lesser races. Though this would be an evil type of deed to committ if you were HUMAN. Keep in mind that the Overmind is just some sort of bodyless entity. He doesn't really see "good and evil" as Human society does. So therefore the Overmind is just evil in human eyes. The basic Zerg warriors themselves are not evil either...Rather are just mindless beasts that will take any order an overlord, Cerebrate, or even the Overmind itself tells them. Zerglings could become as harmless as a hamster if the Overmind told them to.

However the only real Zerg that could be called "evil" Is Kerrigan. Why? Because that human element combines the human personality of "bad" into the Zerg which otherwise has never seemed to experience it.

As for the Duran having a human body thing. Here are some THEORIES to try to explain that.

1.)shapeshifter
2.)a bodyless spirit that possessed a human body
3.)Simply is such a powerful being that he can just manipulate matter.
4.)He seems to like genetic experiments. Maybe he was something else but used genetics to make himself appear human?

[RelinaIonna]

Incoming Transmission:

The Zerg are harmless docile animals; it’s all a bunch of propaganda promoted by the Dominion to boost recruitment levels. All video footage is heavily edited by the Dominion and like the previous Confederate Government, they alter the minds of their forces. Any horror story they tell was thought up by a Dominion Scientist and his team. I beg you all not to buy into this conspiracy! I as a representative of PETA (People for Ethical Treatment of Aliens) will champion these misunderstood creatures. Unfortunately I must go now, as the Dominion is no doubt tracing this transmission. I swear on my life; any retraction I make is in fact a forced one!


Transmission Terminated.

[Visions_of_Khas]

Sorry, I'm part of a different kind of PETA: People who Eat Tasty Animals.

[RelinaIonna]

Sory but theses docile zerg have acidic blood, I assure you its purely self defence, though.

[mathx314]

ok, listen: the Xel'Naga were killed. Kaput. But, that doesn't mean that some other race can learn the secrets of necomancy and/or resurrection, and bring back the Xel'Naga. This is a computer game. Things can happen as they will!!!

[Power_Overwhelming]

Ok, just read throught the WHOLE thread, and there are some very important points I didn't see anyone mention.

From the SC manual in the Terran History: The Great Purification
"During this period, a brilliant young scientist named Doran Routhe made plans to consolidate his power within the UPL. Uninvolved with the vulgarities of Project Purification, Routhe was obsessed with founding colonies upon the worlds found beyond the Terran Sector"...

"ATLAS calculated that, should the prisoners survive in their new environment, many of them might benefit from this psionic mutation within only a few generations. These findings were recorded and relayed back to Earth, straight into the logs of Doran Routhe"

Could Doran Routhe be linked to Samir Duran? Now I know the name is a longshot, with one of the letters changed, also its Samir Duran's last name and Doran Routhe's first name, but a big deal seems to be made about this guy (and the first human revelation of psionic power in the second quote) briefly in the story, yet is not directly mentioned again. Im not saying they are one and the same, but there could certainly be a link.

Another, more concrete part of the story that people have missed is demonstrated in this quote.
"Nothing is known of the origin of the Xel'Naga, save that they were not native to the galaxy over which they held sway"

Lets not also forget that the name "Xel'Naga" (meaning 'wanderers from afar') was NOT the name of their race (ie. what they called themselves), but the name given to them by those in this galaxy. NOWHERE does it say that the Xel'Naga aren't simply an inter-galactic colonial expansion, or perhaps outcasts, banished from their race to another galaxy in a similar fashion to the way the Dark Templar were banished from Auir.

Therefore anyone who says that the race of beings of which the "Xel'Naga" were apart is completely destroyed, or that they are still alive, has no evidence to back up this conclusion. Remember "Nothing was known of the Xel'naga's origins". I personally belive they are still alive, but that is just an opinion.

As for Samir Duran being apart of the Xel'Naga, it is hard to say whether he is or isnt, but I would say it is fairly obvious that he is serving them (either directly, or acting in their name). The fact that he
1. Talks about the "Grand Experiment", which is exactly the name given to the Xel'Naga's experiment with sentient life in the game manual.
2. Says that he serves a far greater power than Kerrigan (therefore excluding any association with the Zerg, as Kerrigan truly is now the Queen of the Zerg).
3. Says that he says he has been around for countless ages, inferring that he is apart of, or serving an ancient race.
all imply that he is serving the Xel'Naga. Now, for those that think that it isn't the Xel'Naga, why the hell would Blizzard create a whole story around the Xel'Naga and their experiments, and then introduce some new ancient race that has yet to be mentioned! Again, from Blizzards perspective, the whole secret mission thing is there to give a tease for the next game. Duran is basically TELLING us he serves a race that we have yet to directly see. It would be pointless to have him serving some other zerg, like another (or the original) overmind. Why TRY and mis-interperet it? Also, at the end of Brood Wars, Kerrigan thinks to herself that all that has happenned is really only the introduction to a far greater battle. Now how would the two races she has just decimated provide the scope for a far greater battle? Again, Blizzard is TELLING us that there is going to be a new race introduced! It is obviously going to be Xel'Naga related, whether it is the actual race itself, or the continuation of experiments (merging Zerg and Protoss) in its name (therefore creating a new race representing the perfection of the Xel'Naga's experiments). As for Duran being Zel'Naga, he could be the essence of a Xel'Naga being, transplanted from a dead or long sleeping Xel'Naga into a human body, similar to the way in which a dead or crippled Protos Warrior's essence is transplanted into a Dragoon, but this is simply one of many possibilities.

I think the 2 most plausible senarios are
1. Duran is a human, or he is a self-enhanced human (possibly linked to Doran Routhe), or something greater that has taken the body of a human, and is continuing the Xel'Nagas experiment in their name. Hence creating a new race along the lines of the "Children of the Xel'Naga".
2. Duran directly serves the Xel'Naga (who are still alive in some respect), and is possibly a Xel'Nagian himself (Dragoon style as mentioned earlier), the Xel'Naga coming back to finish their experiments and possibly use them to wipe out their failed creations (or the failed creations of their banished predecessors).

Basically it is open, but to say with certainty that the Xel'Naga are dead, or that the Xel'Naga are still alive, or that Duran IS the overmind, is folly, as it has been left open. I think the one thing that can be said with certainty, simply because it is obviously alluded to in the story, is that there WILL be a fourth race in Starcraft 2 (and possibly Ghost), and that it will be Xel'Naga related (ie. Xel'Naga itself, or a continuation of their experiments to create the perfect being).

On a final note, I think it is silly to base a decision on the blurb on the back of the box. Of course the blurb is going to say "the three strongest races", they are trying to get you to buy the game and dont have space to fully explian the story (which is contained in the manual and game storyline). You can't base any SC2 theories on the blurb on the back of the box!

[Visions_of_Khas]

The Zerg destroyed and assimilated "the greater whole" of the Xel'Naga over Zerus. Some of their number apparently survived the onslught, though it remains to be seen for how long.

Now, I am not sure whether you know this or not, but the theory of Doran and Samir being one and the same- or at least the existence of a link between the two- has been debated over a great deal; you are not alone. Samir Duran himself said that he has gone by many names over the thousands of years. This implies that he may have done what he's doing before, ie infiltrating different factions to different races in order to gain trust and manipulate them in some way. He, or another agent like him, may have taken on the name of "Doran Routhe" and worked to do whatever they needed to do in the UPL, be it sabatoge, advancing of Terran tech, or gaining power in that empire.

I myself have theorized that those creatures that go by the name "Xel'Naga" iwere actually sent packing from wherever they first originated, be it due to some unknown enemy or another experiment gone awry. Yet anothet possibility is that they wish to somehow leave a part of themselves in a perfect creature in the years to come. Maybe they are a dying race and need additional vessels to contain their spirits? The possibility of spirits inhabiting different vessels in implied by Duran's "funky" voice in his last appearance in the game. But, if they are dying, then would they not have been extinct in the years they've been experimenting? Perhaps they were containing their essence in some other artificial form, perhaps mechanical. This makes me wonder: perhaps the Protoss took the idea from the 'Naga and used it for Dragoons: transplanting body/spirit into a cold, mechanical shell...

[PowderBB3D]

The manual says that they aren't native to the Milky Way galaxy. I'm pretty certain there'd be plenty of them left somewhere out amongst the stars.

- P

[RelinaIonna]

I disagree with the Xel'Naga theories. I find it all speculation; I have yet to see anything that shows it actually is the Xel'Naga or something linked to them. It is all possible and we also must not forget that contradiction is not outside the realm of possibility. So called "absolutes" may be disregarded during SC2's and/or Ghost's development because they become inconvenient to Blizzard.

I myself like to think of Durran as some ancient shape shifter that servers an even more ancient and all powerful entity. The so called resemblance to the Hybrids could be its balance of light and dark energies.

All this talk of what the Xel'Naga look like. They're is a picture in the manual and I say they look a lot like Protoss. They also appear to have a psionic abilities of they're own. Also one must not forget that this is concept art and it does frequently change, I.E. that one of Raynor.

Finally if you read “Shadow of the Xel’Naga” you do learn of older Xel’Naga Experiment that is a creature of energy when it is fully mature. But to get to this state it has to absorb both Zerg and Protoss suggesting that it needs they’re DNA and/or essence. One can also speculate that it uses light and dark energy. It was in its cocoon stage for who knows how long. I think it is also a possibility that this Experiment is Durran's master. That's about it.

[Visions_of_Khas]

Didn't that same book have a huge, phoenix-like creature burst out of the Xel'Naga temple? I would think that something that important would be in the games, not some book. I do not consider the books canon StarCraft.

Nor do I believe that the Xel'Naga were pictured in the manual. The Protoss evolved almost completely without intervention from the Xel'Naga for most of their history; it is only when they discover them do they begin to help the First Born evolve. Would they waste the resources to make them look like the 'Naga physically? I doubt it. Besides, that picture looks more like a ritual or rite of passage. I believe all beings in the picture on Pp. 73 are Protoss.

[J_Tal]

Didn't that same book have a huge, phoenix-like creature burst out of the Xel'Naga temple? I would think that something that important would be in the games, not some book. I do not consider the books canon StarCraft.that "phoenix-like creature" was the start of a new race that requiered protoss and zerg biology to finish maturing inside the cocoon, crystalis or "temple" as you call it.

the books are an actual part of the story line ie: the first book is the story from the original starcraft human campain. read it.
if the books are not "cannon starcraft" then why the hell did they print it with blizzard logo, and starcraft logo? <exasperated sigh> think about it!

next the thing about the picture . . . i agree that those are not xel'naga. but if you think about it, if you are trying to make the perfect race, then you might want to add your "thumbprint" in the blueprints. hope you don't hate me, but isn't that what god sopposidly did?

anyway sorry if i pounded to hard on the book thing, i like to read alot and the books are (as far as i can see) acurate.

[Shinigami]

the books are an actual part of the story line ie: the first book is the story from the original starcraft human campain. read it.
There's a difference between a book actually being in the game (ie a story about the battle in which Kerrigan was caught by the Zerg) and a book that takes place in a game (ie the "first story" you mention).

if the books are not "cannon starcraft" then why the hell did they print it with blizzard logo, and starcraft logo? <exasperated sigh> think about it!
The books are nothing more than fan fiction that happen to get published. They have the StarCraft and Blizzard logos because since the books are going for sale, they need to cut a deal with Blizzard because of the copyrights on StarCraft, not to mention to get permission to publish a book on one of their games for the purpoe of making a profit.

[RelinaIonna]

The Xel'Naga looking like the Protoss is a limited resource. Concept Art isn't absolute and is often changed. But I do believe it was the Xel'Naga in the picture.

The new books aren't fan fiction. The authors are professionals and write a lot of books. Blizzard went out and hired out these people to write stories for them. Blizzard was probably just branching out.


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[Spartan-II]

OK ive read through the thread and want to make a point:
The zerg consumed the greather whole of the Xel'naga over Zerus right.. So what If the Xel'naga are set up in a different galaxy and decided to bide their time to re-control the zerg ?
And about Duran.. If he is Xel'naga why would he allow himself to be infested?
A) I dont think he's really infested, since the Xel'naga were the masters of genetic manipulation what if he just changed his voice and pretended to be infested, or maybe allowed himself to be "infested" by the overmind to gain the knowledge it had of the Xel'naga?
B) WHy would he pretend to be a human in the first place? Couldnt he just hang around and watch and capture a stray shuttle or an overlord. Another question if Duran is Xel'naga how did he sneak into the koprulu sector without being noticed without a highly advanced ship? And for that matter, how can he be infested and NOT be corrupted by the overmind? Because as i have read and deducted "the overminds will is all consuming" so if Duran was a mere human or agent of the swarm he could not resist the overminds control UNLESS the terrans have drafted an anti-infestation vaccine but, nowhere in SC is that mentioned.
And then theres the reality that he might not be infested as I mentioned above

[RelinaIonna]

how can he be infested and NOT be corrupted by the overmind? Because as i have read and deducted "the overminds will is all consuming" so if Duran was a mere human or agent of the swarm he could not resist the overminds control UNLESS the terrans have drafted an anti-infestation vaccine but, nowhere in SC is that mentioned.
And then theres the reality that he might not be infested as I mentioned aboveDurran was infested after the Overmind's death. Durran is like an infested Ghost, as was Kerrigan. If Kerrigan can fight being controlled by other Cerebrates, then most likely so could Durran, as well as Kerrigan. Plus he's probably a superior Alien, who is immune in some ways to the Zerg infestation. (I still say he's not a Xel'Naga.)

[Frattimonde]

Durran was infested after the Overmind's death. Durran is like an infested Ghost, as was Kerrigan. If Kerrigan can fight being controlled by other Cerebrates, then most likely so could Durran, as well as Kerrigan. Plus he's probably a superior Alien, who is immune in some ways to the Zerg infestation. (I still say he's not a Xel'Naga.)
I know you said "superior alien", but If I might ask.

Exactly what kind/race of superior alien would you suspect that he is?

[RelinaIonna]

I know you said "superior alien", but If I might ask. Exactly what kind/race of superior alien would you suspect that he is?Well my feelings very, and is speculation, that's why I don't consider it that relevant. Perhaps a creation of his Master, or perhaps of an Elder Race, doing the will of it’s god. All such things are too clichéd if you ask me, I hope Blizzard blind sides us with the answer. But no more damn Xel'Naga.

[Hunta]

Allow me to mix myself into this discussion once again.

There are quite a few theories on this matter. But in the end, it always narrows down to two options: either the Xel'Naga are alive, or they are not. It's that simple.

I myself believe the Xel'naga are still alive. As seen from the previous posts and the manual itself, the Xel'Naga were not native to our galaxy. This means, for whatever reason they left their native galaxy, there still might be a fraction of the Xel'Naga left in their own galaxy (or in a third another galaxy for that matter). Perhaps the Xel'Naga that created the Zerg and the Protoss were nothing but an expiditionary force? A scientific crew with a mission (to create the perfect lifeform) like the Enterprise of StarTrek? Yes, the possibility is there. We don't know what happened in the native galaxy of the Xel'Naga. Perhaps there was fought great battle between the Xel'Naga and their ancient enemies? And are the Xel'Naga being hunted down for their previous mistakes in another galaxy? Could be, in that case I know what the fifth race in StarCraft 2 will be.

We simply don't know that for sure ofcourse, but it's safe to assume the Xel'Naga guaranteed their own survival. I mean, they created hundreds of races, steered thousands of evolutions and manipulated millions of gene's. I am sure they were able to capture their own genomes and cloned themselves to secure their own future. Yes, I think all the genetical information of the Xel'Naga is stored in some super computer on a distant planet or mothership, forever.

What more or less a fact is, is that the Xel'Naga apparently survived the Zerg attack. But lets think the opposite option for a moment. Perhaps all the Xel'Naga did die that day at Zerus. Perhaps the Zerg did assimilate each and every last one of them. But what the Overmind did not knew, was that the Xel'Naga expected this. On a distant planet (the one I mentioned before), several Stasis Cells existed, each containing a cryo-hybernated Xel'Naga. The Xel'Naga were in fact sleeping...

Yes, I am hinting at that one sentece by Duran. "I am a servant of a far greater power, a power that has slept for countless ages!" What if the Xel'Naga cryo-hibernated several of their species to secure their own survival in cases of relentless attacks like that of the Zerg? What if the Xel'Naga expected that to happen? I know it, they decided to pretend to be dead. Without their presence, the Protoss and the Zerg would fight their inevitable conflict. However, there was one little problem: the power of the Zerg did not match that of the Protoss yet. How to solve that? Simple, the Xel'Naga consulted their records and concluded this slightly advanced race in the Milky Way they paid a visit several centuries ago could be worthy enough for the Zerg to assimilate. Yes, I'm talking about the Terrans. With the psionic potential of the Terrans, the Zerg would be able to have an equal fight with the Protoss. And so the Xel'Naga send forward the guy we know as Doran Routhe aka Samir Duran.

[Spartan-II]

I think the Xel'naga bred the races to play "Space Chess" with them, or were trying to make a perfect army to help them in future battles with a great enemy, and if thats true the enemies of the Xel'naga must be l337

[Hunta]

Lesson 1: "How to kill a discussion!"

[Torino10]

I have read many post's and have seen much speculation on this topic so I'll just add some of my own for fun.

Samir Duran and Doran Roethe are probably linked in some way. From everything I have read and what I have seen in the missions Duran appears to have some connection to the Xel Naga. The Xel Naga are a psionically aware race as that was there means for controlling the overmind. Doran Roethe was the man who cultivated psionic powers in the Terrans. Samir Duran claims to have detected a greater psionic presence and is conducting experiments that seem to closely parallel what the 'Phoenix' type energy that erupted from the Xel Naga temple did.

From what I have seen of SC:Ghost the missions will involve the infiltration of a Terran type base involved in experiments on the Zerg (Duran?).

These things lead me to believe that Duran will create his race of Zerg/Protoss hybrids in the release of SC2. Whether he is working for the Xel Naga or an ancient enemy of the Xel Naga remains to be seen.
I personally feal that the Xel Naga may be a highly evolved psionic race that actually has little or no need for physical bodies.
I look forward to Ghost illuminating the Starcraft universe for us.

[ZergMan]

*begins crack-pot rant*

I personally believe that the Xel'Naga are all dead. However, their behavior to me insinutes that they where nothing more then pawns playing a much larger game. I personally think that the Xel'Naga where created in order to spawn many other races and that when the time comes the Xel'Naga creators will awake and begin what they created the Xel'Naga to begin to do. I personally think that the Xel'Nagan creators made them like farmers; sowing the seeds of evolution throught the planets only to reap what they have gained when they return. Duran spoke of a cycle of sorts and i'm thinking that after what all's said and done these creators will just start it again.

*PS*

This is my own crappy idea, so feel free to flame.

[Spartan-II]

Interesting, but I doubt it

[Dorkz]

This forum is probably the most sensible one on the sit (apart from mine) and the argument the most truthful. As Spartan said, the Xel'Naga were totally and completely eradicated. End of story.

ok i got the name wrong. soory

[Spartan-II]

I did not say totally and completely annhilated.. When it says "The greater whole of the Xel'naga were destroyed" its referring most not all.

[Philly]

Im just sayin from a storline i found on www.starcraft.org

The Xel'Naga, remembering that the individualism of the Protoss had been their fatal flaw, decided to give the Zerg what would be their final gift - a collective consciousness. With the creation of this Overmind, the Zerg began to assimilate in a less haphazard way. Once they had consumed a handful of space-faring races, the real problems began.
Just as the Xel'Naga were congratulating themselves on a job well done - they had created a species with an unbelievable purity of essence - the Zerg were realizing the existence of an extremely powerful race with many useful genetic traits: the Xel'Naga. The Overmind quickly launched its new space-capable swarms at the Xel'Naga who were taken completely by surprise. By destroying this godlike race, the Overmind also gained knowledge of the only thing that could stop them - the Protoss.
Consumed by their desire to absorb the most powerful species available to them, the Overmind began to look for a way to overcome the considerable psionic power of the Xel'Nagas' first experiment. On their way to the Protoss home world the swarm discovered the Terrans, a weak race whose latent psychic potential could be assimilated and used to defeat the Protoss. The war that is Starcraft begins...

enjoy!

[theblueknight]

wow, my eyes are gonna bleed after reading all that.
here is something a friend of mine showed me a long time ago and i just picked it up again.
http://home.pages.at/tassadar/sc_timeline.html
go to it and read it all. (its a sinch compared to this thread) according to that the Xel'naga DID NOT MAKE ANY RACES EVER!!!!!! they watched them. simple as that. they are just observers in part of a galaxy where everyone is hating on them. if duran is Xel'Naga why did he take so long to come tomake this hybrid u speak of. if he is a Xel'naga he would know all about both races and have done it a long long time ago. so witht that said duran is just a plain ol' human like the rest of us. but the Xel'naga better make a friggen appearance in SCII ( if it ever does come out) and do something cool like give teh protoss new toys or tell the terran all about how to use chemical warfare on teh zerg. i really have no fucking idea on that last part

[theblueknight]

did i totally kill this thread? cuz after i posted its been inactive for about a month.

[singo]

nah, it sometimes happens that no one posts for a while

[dark-kirby]

Actually I agree somewhat, I personaly would rather see soem ancient power thats not a xel'naga be linked to durran. Even if it was a rival race of the Xel'naga. Wow, this can add more depth...two more races.
Xel Naga(notice the naga part..random link to wc3) storyline would be that having a good technelogical outpost, during the rebel that the zerg did, one lone ship made it to another planet, and they built up a base and soon colonized the planet completely, and cloaked it. Xel Naga have been watching the protoss, terran, and zerg duke it out.
+++ of Xel naga race:
Highest Technology Types
Powerful ranged superiorty
Uses post-protoss technology
Extreme Versatility
Has Shields
--- of Xel-Naga:
Costs a damn lot to build units.
weak melee capability
No specialist units

Duran, he could be an agent of the second race, trying to rule the galaxy by creating hybrids from two superior races. Obviously, I dont think that Duran is from Xel-Naga, nor is he the overmind. And for clarification
THE HYBRIDS ARE NOT XEL-NAGA, NOR WILL THEY BECOME XEL-NAGA
Why? Look, they are combinations of two races. Duran can get that technology from his race that hes working for. It would make sense: otherwise how would he have (as he noted in the secret level) "Hybrid Experiments" on many different planets? How would he be smart enough to backstab Kerrigan? He hasn't chosen a side; hes left kerrigan, killed stukov, and didnt seem too friendly to Zeratul. He is on his own race, and he should have the Hybrids intervened with that race. Im already starting to see campaign ideas; (note: I am a big protoss fan. protoss>all) Well, in the protoss campaign, you play as Artanis and try to search for zeratul as well as expanding the protoss empire and statistics. Artanis tracks Zeratul on the place where you saw the secret level; and hes built up a base around the Hybrid labs, investagating furthur for cures and stuff. Duran has left the planet, due to the event that Zeratul's forces built up too much of a resistance. He tried to destroy the hybrid labs(so Zeratul couldn't explore furthur and possibly make the Hybrids a part of the protoss), but the protoss were too good for him and drove him off...

[theblueknight]

YES finaly someone whe makes sense of this. DURAN IS A BLACK GUY NOT A XEL'NAGA. if he wanted to do hybrids that's his own deal.

[singo]

who says the xel' naga cant be black?

well, he has his own agenda, xel'naga or not.

possibly he is the one that cause the downfall of his race by giving the overmind a few hints

well, blizzards job - im not writing their plot (for free anyway)

[theblueknight]

who says the xel' naga cant be black?

Lets just say that the Xel'Naga do look like africans. that would be really lame. and blizzard would offend a large portion of its fan base calling black people non-humans.

[Frattimonde]

Lets just say that the Xel'Naga do look like africans. that would be really lame. and blizzard would offend a large portion of its fan base calling black people non-humans. They're probably energy based beings that can chose what ever form they wish. Although Duran is probably one of their lesser kin, a half-breed perhaps.

[dark-kirby]

I dont think Duran is Xel-Naga, since Zeratul mightve sensed it or duran mightve revealed it. Who knows what might happen.

[X-Master2]

where ever they are coming from, one thing is for certain they will come and and open up a can of whoop @$%, on that entire sector of space, punishing the zerg for destorying their research fleet, study the protoss, and try to figure how the terrans came to be, this is just another idea blizzard could put into motion, but whatever they decide it will be a most interesting story line.

[theblueknight]

i watched this show on history channel a few nights ago about aliens in teh ancient times coming to earth. it was the Xel'naga!!!!!!

[Lumosa_Brood]

the protoss rebeled against their creators just liek the zerg you know

[Aluur_Valuure]

Now, this currently is one of the hottest topics in this category, and I just want to state a few facts. The Xel'Naga did not create the Protoss, nor did they create the Zerg.

The Protoss were already existing in small tribes roaming across Aiur, and they already had psychic links. The Zerg were larvae that burrowed their ways into the backs of their victims to use their bodies as vessels. The Xel'Nagans merely just advanced their evolution, added various genetic enhancements and changes, and helped teach them. Well, they taught the Protoss at least.

[sololop]

Now, this currently is one of the hottest topics in this category, and I just want to state a few facts. The Xel'Naga did not create the Protoss, nor did they create the Zerg.

The Protoss were already existing in small tribes roaming across Aiur, and they alerady had psychic links. The Zerg were larvae that burrowed their ways into the backs of their victims to use their bodies as vessels. The Xel'Nagans merely just advanced their evolution, added various genetic enhancements and changes, and helped teach them. Well, they taught the Protoss at least.
i'm relpying to this first post...

you ever read da book that came w/ the game? i did...it was pretty lame, but the Zerg did not already exist.

Neither the Protoss.

Get the storyline book and read it if u wanna but..ya.

[Aluur_Valuure]

I've read the handbook. I know what the handbook said. The ZERG, were larvae. They already existed, but not in the way we think. They were a simple genus of adaptive larvae, that's it. And yes, the Protoss also existed, but not in the same way as we thought.

The Xel'Nagans did NOT create the Protoss or the Zerg. If you give me authorized Blizzard proof in the form of a link that says, the Xel'Naga DID INFACT create the Protoss and the Zerg from scratch, I MAY believe you.

[MattMan]

i'm relpying to this first post...

you ever read da book that came w/ the game? i did...it was pretty lame, but the Zerg did not already exist.

Neither the Protoss.

Get the storyline book and read it if u wanna but..ya.
Sorry, but that is DEAD wrong.

The way I see this whole thing: For sure the Hybrids are not The Xel'naga. How would it work that by combining the brainchildren of such an intelligent species, which were, in fact, merely geneticly altered, artificially selected, and evolutionarily assisted creatures, that you would get the parent species?

Also: I do not believe that Duran is Xel'naga either. Had he been a Xel'naga, he would never have been controlled by a cerebrate or by the overmind for that matter. Duran is most likely what the game actually says he is, an infested human. He is probably to be either Kerrigan's successor (most likely by conquest) or a temporary leader for the upcoming Hybrids. The hybrids will almost definately be a race in Starcraft II, otherwise, why would they even have been mentioned? There is a possibility, however, that he is a Xel'naga, and that the Hybrids will merely be a tool to be used in the reconstruction of their civilization. Either way, if Duran controls the Hybrids when they begin, he will be, forseeably, killed by either his own creations in a plausible attempt at freedom, or by his competitors in hopes of taking control of the Hybrids. Either way, its the Zerg all over again. The Hybrids will go out of control and destroy everything, forcing some alliances on the part of the Humans and Protoss most likely, and possibly assistance by Kerrigan's Brood.

[theblueknight]

or the hybrids is just kerrigans assignment for duran to do. has anyone thought that out? but i think a terran protoss alliance would be cool. and maybe when u play multiplayer if u have a terran and protoss on a team u can make certain units by combining them????

[DiscipleOfAdun]

No, I don't think that is right(being Kerrigan's assignment). I don't think that she knows what/where Duran is, because she says that he has disappeared. As for Duran being under a cerebrate's/overmind's control, I don't think that is correct. If he had been infested, it would have to be at the end of Emperor's Flight. Yet all infested's have an altered voice. But if he is infested, wouldn't his voice be altered during all of Patriot's Blood? While the next argument may be against my point, I don't think it would be right to leave it out. Only Stukov and Duran, if he is infested, were able to keep there human form. But Stukov was regenereated by a cerebrate. If that is the only way for him to keep human form, how can Duran be infested. If a cerebrate controlled him, wouldn't he have his own brood to control?
Therefore, I think that there are two options for Duran.
1. He is Xel'Naga. This is most unlikely, because the Xel'Naga learned not to actively participate in racial evolution after the Protoss. This policy is confirmed by their passive and set back guidance of the Zerg.
2. He is either another race that has come in contact with the Xel'Naga, or one of their other experiments. This is more likely, seeing as how it is obvious that he is above both the Protoss and the Zerg. He obviously recognizes the fact that the Protoss and Zerg are opposites - essence and form. The Overmind makes a similar statement. However, ALL the Overmind's knowledge about the Protoss came from the Xel'Naga.

Something else tells me that he might be the reason for the Ghosts. How else were the Zerg to be lured to an area near the Protoss? It is obvious that the Protoss would never go after the Zerg, they didn't know about them. To create a hybrid, he'd need both Zerg and Protoss genetic information. So he needed the Zerg.

[theblueknight]

ya knw if he was Xel'naga maybe hes a rogue who thinks that what has happened with the zerg and protoss is wrong and he wants to make a super race to put the others in their place or take it out. or he is an evil Xel'naga and wants to own everything.

[Spartan-II]

Alright, then explain to me why he says in the bonus mission that he has lived for many thousands of years and this is but his newest form? (Something along those lines, I haven't played the mission in quite awhile.)

[theblueknight]

he got really drunk.

[DiscipleOfAdun]

How about that he is from a species that doesn't exist physically, but controls different hosts. He retains memories and abilities from previous forms. The reason he is able to attempt and succeed in genetic experiments is that he once possessed a Xel'Naga. He continues through different forms throughout the millennia.

[theblueknight]

or that is a Xel;'naga. i mean we have never seen one. not even in concept sketches. so the Xel'naga could be all spiritual and stuff.

[Tenebrae]

I didn't read more then the first post so what I say might have already been said.

In the manual it states that the "Greater whole of the Xel'Naga fleet was destroyed" that means MOST not all.

The Xel'Naga are nomadic...meaning that they prolly travel in clans or tribes...so to speak. The world ships above the Zerg homeworld might only be one clan of Xel'Naga... Who's to say that there aren't other "clans" roaming other parts of the universe...

Perhaps the Xel'Naga upon death became pure energy, and the Hybrids are to be their new bodies...

To know any of this you would have to wait till we are told... but all these theories are possible, not to mention, as I stated...not all of them were destroyed...as the manual states.

[theblueknight]

or the xel'naga that did the protoss and zerg experiments were exiled from the planet because of what they had intended on doing, and now look what happened.

[DragonPaladin]

In my book, he's more like a possesor. He take sover Duran's body and the main character seals him in the crystal. Then a garbage man breaks the crystal and then all hell breaks loose...

I have a new job! Turning scary movies into non-scary movies

The Thing=The Thingie
I know what you did last summer=I Think I know what you did last summer but I'm not too sure because I wasn't there.
Scream= High-Pitched Giggle

[theblueknight]

hey one thing that i just realized is that is says the greater part of the fleet was destroyed. key word being fleet. they are still alive somewhere.

[Aluur_Valuure]

I personally don't believe the Hybrids will be the new Xel'Nagans, though they will somehow tie into the storyline involving them. I also found out another tid bit of information. You see, the Xel'Nagans may not have directly created anyone, but they did one thing, they created galaxies. They did not shape any creatures to be perfect, but they started habitats and left them for countless ages.

Upon returning, they found the Protoss, a nomadic telepathic race with much potential. The Xel'Nagans took them in as pupils, but they soon taught them too much and the Protoss demanded that they leave.

Returning to another planet, they found Char. Upon Char, there was a small larval creature which is nearly exactly the same as the larva now adays. These larva would burrow themselves into the backs of their victims and take over their bodies, gaining sustinence and a more powerful vessel.

What REALLY confuses the hell out of me is, and I think I'm pretty sure about this, is that the Zerg soon formed with the help of the Xel'Nagans. That's not the confusing part. The confusing part is that the Zerg scourged galaxies for things to assimilate and gain power, but they destroyed the Xel'Nagans with things only assimilated and upgraded from Char. This is confusing because the core geni of many of the Zerg were not FROM Char.

Wierd eh?

[kidneythief]

I just think it would be cool if the Xel'Naga are actually the genetic forefathers of the Terrans.

Think about it:

They want to create a species of perfect form (protoss) because they themselves of of a weak physical form (Terran)

They want to create a species of perfect essence (zerg) because they are divided in will (terran)

humans are always divided by ideological and ethical variations. communism versus capitalism, for example. the zerg aren't challenged by this trait.

The Xel'Naga fall at the hands of the zerg, but some escape to Earth (just like in the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy :P) but without their vast technology left behind on Aiur, their knowledge disappears during their struggle for survival on the new planet, and they devolve into savages.

The Xel'Naga temples in the game are of similar architecture to those of the ancient egyptian and aztec temples. Some kind of legacy from the Xel'Naga perhaps :P or perhaps, there were already primitive humans on earth, and the Xel'Naga became a deity to them, giving them the terrans most notable trait: Hope. I mean, the (in starcraft time) present-day terrans are the most physically feeble race in the game. They have dividing trusts and allegiences, and they don't have exactly superior mental abilities either. Despite all this, they face and sometimes overcome some of the most fierce warriors in the galaxy.

So it's my belief that the Xel'Naga are either the genetic, or foster-parents of the Terran race.

About Duran, I don't know what that's all about. :P

[DragonPaladin]

You've been reading too much Stargate...

I think humans weren't created by the Xel'naga so the Xel'naga are "afraid of them". Humans are random, unpredictable, and act differently from each other. THe Xel'naga can anticipate the Protoss and Zerg because it was their creation. But the Terran were a naturally evolving race, so no one can tell how they are and how they act and how they do things.

[kidneythief]

well i didn't say Created by, at least not in the sense that the zerg and protoss were. just, either they Became the terrans, or influenced them and shaped them. and so, the Xel'Naga as they once were, are no more. either they are extinct, or became the terrans.

Besides, the Xel'Naga were (according to my theory) scrawny, independant geniuses, and that's just like the science vessel dude! :P

[Aluur_Valuure]

Again, the Xel'Nagans did not 'create' the Protoss and the Zerg like you think. They created PLANETS, and then later on came along when both beings already existed and gave them a boost. In essence, yes, they helped create them, but the most they did was teach and try and slightly help evolve them.

I personally think the Xel'Nagans wouldn't fear the Terrans because of the array of emotions and selfish desires make them ultimately weaker. They are greedy, selfish, envious, lustful, and all together just jerkish. (I'm speaking of the overall race mind you)

[DragonPaladin]

I think the Terrans were naturally evolved. The Protoss and Zerg were "created" by the Xel'Naga so they know how both races will act. But the Terrans? You just got yourself a whole shitful of randomness right there.

[kidneythief]

i bet im right and you're wrong

[theblueknight]

how many times do we have to state that the Xel'naga never made any race?

[kidneythief]

as many times as you want, but that kind of contradicts what the people in charge are saying about them...

[Agent281]

ifI believe the greater whole makes for great speculation and I wish to believe the Xel' Naga will come back. Whether or not they do won't make or break Starcraft, but a couple new races would make things far more interesting. What I think would happen, is if they come back they would be a mostly mechanical race because of the fact that most of the race was consumed by the zerg.

Agent281

[kidneythief]

most of the race on aiur at least. there could have been several tribes of the xel naga on different planets, who knows. seems more likely to me, at any rate.

anyway, I'd like to see the xel naga make an appearance. I agree that ONE new race would be good, and if I had to choose between the UED and the Xel Naga, I'd definitely take the Xel Naga :)

I don't think they have to be "godlike" as everyone says. Except in the sense that they were Creators. But every race in starcraft is a Creator of some kind, that is not to say they are gods. The xel naga are just as mortal as anyone else, or else the zerg clearly couldn't have defeated them.

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2 things isaw "thats what the xel'naga would do" how the hell do you know?????

and then there was the overmind being a bodyless entiny well could it still be alive?its bodiless tassadar mearily killed a body so?:) just some thoughts