need all pro humans player??

[robzombie]

we all human need to share our thoughts to improve our performnce so any human player have a new or tricky move done by human plz share and i also need to tell whats is the best combination of heros (neutrol or human or both};)

shaman says :burn earth on fire eat my cock

[Darkeggy]

Best combo of heroes is Crypt lord and Death Knight, in my opinion. But for human, Probably Pally and Archmage, for Brillance+Healing. They benefit each other quite nicely.

[S0vietF0rce]

Best combo of heroes is Crypt lord and Death Knight, in my opinion. But for human, Probably Pally and Archmage, for Brillance+Healing. They benefit each other quite nicely.
wtf? the crypt lord? wut type of an undead player are u? that weak big ass walking piece fo shit just asks to get killed. some of its speels are great but fuck its cooldown is so fucking big and it doesnt even do that much damage. it gets slaughtered by virtually evry other melee hero. fucking low hp, low attributes. its ultimate is pretty good and impale last for a short while. the other 2 spells suck cock. heh id liek to to see u use a crypt lord as one of ur heroes when playing 1v1 UD v. UD against me. im so sure i can whoop ur ass its not even funny. jesus fucking christ, that piece of sh1t caused me many losses in my earlier warcraft career. now i regret i ever even layed eyes on it. it costme so much fucking time. i never ever ever got beaten by another undead player who had his PRIMARY hero as the crypt lord.

we all human need to share our thoughts to improve our performnce so any human player have a new or tricky move done by human plz share and i also need to tell whats is the best combination of heros (neutrol or human or both};)

shaman says :burn earth on fire eat my cock
wtf? i thought he said "storm, earth and fire...heed my call"
i get it, ur prolly making a joke or sumthing. trust me dude i may b wrong about wut he says but dude he doesnt say anythign about eating a cock. jesus fucking christ y is that the first thing coming to ur mind rather than the way i hear it? ur a pervert or sumthing.

[Mindslaver]

its ultimate is pretty good and impale last for a short while. the other 2 spells suck cock.
Yeah, I know. Beetles are good for scouting, but I rarely use Chinitinous Armor.

jesus fucking christ y is that the first thing coming to ur mind rather than the way i hear it? ur a pervert or sumthing. I thought Jesus and Christ were the same person....
And I believe that robzombie is trying to make a joke.

[S0vietF0rce]

Yeah, I know. Beetles are good for scouting, but I rarely use Chinitinous Armor.
I thought Jesus and Christ were the same person....
And I believe that robzombie is trying to make a joke.
rofl mind slaver u make laugh :P ! rofl "i though jesus and christ were the same person..." roflmao. dude i didnt mean jesus was fucking with christ lol.
and yeah i believe he was makiugn a joke too lol.

[singo]

human strats?


INVISIBLE MORTARS!

[S0vietF0rce]

human strats?


INVISIBLE MORTARS!
the last strat u wanna use against the undead. play me to find out why.

[singo]

nah, ive already tried it against UD :P


rifles+priests+kinghts however.........

[xodkrm]

human strats?


INVISIBLE MORTARS! How 'bout the creeps you can buy from the store? The suicide bombers...

Best combo of heroes is Crypt lord and Death Knight, in my opinion. But for human, Probably Pally and Archmage, for Brillance+Healing. They benefit each other quite nicely. I never thought of Brilliance and healing.

[singo]

of course a triple pally rush w/holy light owns all

[S0vietF0rce]

nah, ive already tried it against UD :P


rifles+priests+kinghts however.........
ya and wut happened? u lost? or did the guy let u win?:P

How 'bout the creeps you can buy from the store? The suicide bombers...

I never thought of Brilliance and healing.
ya but the goblin sappers and clockwerk goblins can b used by anyrace.

of course a triple pally rush w/holy light owns all
maybe in a hero rush it may screw sum newbie up pretty bad but triple deathknight with death coils and fiends pwn that, esepecially if there are only footmen/rifle with the pallys. 3 fo the same hero isnt good for human vs undead. to prove me wrong ur gonna have to play me.

[Lordshadowbane]

Any HU strat w/o the MK sucks in solo. CL does not suck he owns orcs. If you micro he's awesome. Invisi mortars will own any base. 12 of them break a Castle with masonry in around 2-4 volleys. They'll do it in 1-3 volleys for a black citadel. No towers are gonna change that.

[singo]

3 fo the same hero isnt good for human vs undead. to prove me wrong ur gonna have to play me.

ya, i will as soon as im sober enuf to remmber how to spell warrcrasft


so about mid-january then :P

[S0vietF0rce]

Any HU strat w/o the MK sucks in solo. CL does not suck he owns orcs. If you micro he's awesome. Invisi mortars will own any base. 12 of them break a Castle with masonry in around 2-4 volleys. They'll do it in 1-3 volleys for a black citadel. No towers are gonna change that.
not if i drop and rape ur base and then cj ur reinforcements, then ur invisible mortars wont work. its not so much that CL sucks cock but its just that in any situation i find sumthign else better suited for the job. u cant micro a CL in the middle of a battle cuz he is too big and is easily surrounded. keeping on the sideleines basically makes him useless and minimizez his damage too. so tehre u go CL sucks c0ck.

[Demon_Child]

Could anyone tell me as to why this thread has gone from a Human player's strategy and tactics to a Crypt Lord being a knob slobberer?

And S0vietF0rce, could you please try to refrain (if but a little bit) from using excessive language?

[Lordshadowbane]

CL does not suck. Surrounded easily? Impale them. You have spikes for extra armor. Potions and coil keep you alive. And locust swarm just makes you near invincible. My CL doesnt die very often except when he's below level 3. If your CL is doing nothing and dies to much. Your doing something seriously wrong.


Back to the topic. MK/Pally owns UD. AM/MK for everything else. W/o MK you have no offensive except vs UD and water elementals.

[S0vietF0rce]

CL does not suck. Surrounded easily? Impale them. You have spikes for extra armor. Potions and coil keep you alive. And locust swarm just makes you near invincible. My CL doesnt die very often except when he's below level 3. If your CL is doing nothing and dies to much. Your doing something seriously wrong.


Back to the topic. MK/Pally owns UD. AM/MK for everything else. W/o MK you have no offensive except vs UD and water elementals.
ya well then obviously im doing something that's total p00nage cuz i never lost to a CL user. even if he does implae it doesnt mean he can get out. the impaled units still suround him. and why the fuck wuld i waste the resources for healing potions and sh1t whan all i have to do is use any other damn hero and get the better effect without having to use potions as much. for sum reason i rape that dumass slow walkign piece of shit all the time and thats the main reason i think it sucks ba11z. and plus since its so fucking big and gay looking i can liek get it to half health with almost any AOE spell cuz liek the CL is alsmot as big as the area of the AOE spell itself and it basically the same thign as striking it with chain lightning and a storm hammer and then surround it and beating that piece of sh!t to the ground (or makign it waste health potion and THEN beating that piece of sh1t to the ground. that big ass walking piece of sucks ballz and im never going to use it and im never going to lose to it unless i get ganged in a ffa game or its liek a 3v1 in RT game where my allies suck c0ck.

and pally dusnt own undead unless the undead player sucks c0ck and is a CL user and only masses units without any micro and never attempts to cj.

[Lordshadowbane]

Holy light+storm bolt= auto gg hero.

It takes around 2 of those to kill a hero.

[Demon_Child]

However, the UD do have Hero Nukes of their own and they are deadly against all races. Nova, Coil, and Swarm being the three most deadly of the hero nukes. Not to mention that a lvl 6 + CL can be a bitch to kill off especially with a DK Coiling him constantly but other then that he isn't that difficult to handle.

[S0vietF0rce]

However, the UD do have Hero Nukes of their own and they are deadly against all races. Nova, Coil, and Swarm being the three most deadly of the hero nukes. Not to mention that a lvl 6 + CL can be a bitch to kill off especially with a DK Coiling him constantly but other then that he isn't that difficult to handle.
ya that y u shuld get any other hero rather than CL and death coil it instead. id rather get a few ghouls rather than that CL mammoth sh1t.

Holy light+storm bolt= auto gg hero.

It takes around 2 of those to kill a hero.
very general statement with nothign to back and not takign into account the type of opposing hero and the surrounding effects of the battle and the spells used. the statement is basically invalid. state more details on the situation.

[Demon_Child]

If the ghouls haven't gotten the frenzy upgrade then all they will do is give exp to the HU heros, especially when the MK has Clap. However, a little bit of Sleep/surround is a good alternative in reducing the amount of losses and maximizing the damage to the HU army.

[S0vietF0rce]

If the ghouls haven't gotten the frenzy upgrade then all they will do is give exp to the HU heros, especially when the MK has Clap. However, a little bit of Sleep/surround is a good alternative in reducing the amount of losses and maximizing the damage to the HU army.
ur absolutely right the ghouls will give extra xp (and plus i never said im gonna use any ghouls late game except once ina while maybe all i was sayin was the emphasis on how i hate the crypt lord), but so will the walk1ng sh1t. also i shuld remind that the DL has the sleep spell not the CL for those of u that might b cinfused.

[Lordshadowbane]

Yes I know about the nukes and how they're known to take down 100 food armies with gosu players and stuff. But the point is Pally+mk just screws the UD up. And DL sleep is great but CL does the same with less stun but with Unholy aura you should have enough time. DL swarm is too weak on early levels and if you get sleep then you cant nuke. CL impale is good vs heavy ground units, and DL is good for air and lots of weak units. Besides the CL is the strongest hero in the game (by strongest I mean has the most strength, not the best), and with locust swarm and spikes he can take a lot of beating. Give him rings of protection and frost armor with coil and then he'll be Really hard to take down.


UD rely heavily on their heroes. They have strong heroes and weaker units. Without their heroes then they lose.

[Demon_Child]

The drawback to Impale is that you have to re-target the unit/s that have been impaled. I'd still stick with Beetles over impale for extra units can go a long way even if they are not all that powerful. Not to mention that with lvl 2+ beetles have the ability to burrow when the battle gets a little too dicey.

[Lordshadowbane]

Beetle fiend is really annoying but useless vs elves due to wisps. I find them great for scouting. You can also easily power creep with them almost as easy as the dreadlord.

[Demon_Child]

If done correctly the detonating wisps can be avoided. Though another option is to use Frost Nova to cause a great deal of damage and to slow down the movement of the detonating wisps.

[cole]

You people have no clue what your talking about, yet your contingent on posting your opions. First of all Dh/gryph with tram/mk/pally is extremely hard to beat. Mk is a tank hero so nuking him is pretty much ineffective. Plus the pally can holy light the mk and hell pretty much never run out of mana due to the fact that brilliance aura is broken as fuck. And as soon as ghouls surround the mk hell just clap and gg your ghouls are slowed and die quick to focus fire. If by some chance in hell that you cant* counter being sleep surrounded by your pally or am then you can just use divine shield for the pally and holy light or use pots which you should at least have a pot of invis, invul, or greater healing unless you sat in yout base the whole game and didnt creep. CL is not a worthless hero. I take it youve never heard of coil/nova/impale? Its probaly the only thing that allows ud to win vs a half decent hu. Cl/fiends at tier 1 is extremely cheesy at tier 1 except vs hu and ne(where defend rapes pretty hard thanks to that nice buff) and ne can ourproduce him by going dual aow archers. I usally dont have to much trouble vs cl/fiends now because my micros ok but still its annoying. The cl beetles can tank easily while the fiends attack move.

There thats about it for this thread. Theres really no such thing as a useless hero in war3. Although some are a bit more broken then others to say the least...

[Demon_Child]

Hi, Cole. Long time, no see. :) I wouldn't mind reading Iman's 2cents worth on UD tactics since (even though I would hate to tell you this) he kinda is a better UD player than you or I (but then again I have retired from WC3 for a while and yet I was more random than any one particular race) but I'll have to settle with your input. :P

BTW Tell Mystkal_Azn to try not to hold a grudge against me for beating him, at the state I am in with the lack of time playing WC3, I think that he wouldn't have too much trouble giving me a beating on Bnet. ;)

[cole]

Yea long time no see DC. Im not sure who the hell mystakal_azn is but ok. I havent played in like 4-5 days mainly because im waiting for the router and wow i ordered for my new comp. Now that i have a mouse i can handle iman decently imo. I havent soloed him in a like while though. The last time we played i think was a few weeks ago which was when i didnt have a mouse though. I still managed to go 1-1 vs him in solo. Hes still a pretty good ud player although he plays WOW now. Did you hear about our clan, clan jihad? Well its fixing to die unless shroomie does something with, mainly because most of us are playing wow now. DC if you still play war3 then you should solo me sometime when i get my router(if im not to busy with WOW :X), you better get ready to bend over and take your war3 ass raping ;p

[Demon_Child]

Seeing as how you have me at a severe disadvantage since I haven't even been playing WC3 for at least 9 months I wouldn't doubt it. :/

Has anyone else besides shroomie, been getting back into the WC3 habbit, lately? I'll probably make a return, perhaps, but my schedule won't be all that friendly for everyone else unless it is on a weekend that I have off and I won't know when that will be till like the last minute.

[cole]

Not much of the regulars still play anymore. There are alot of hasus that play from bf, you dont really know them though because you stopped posting on bf. I used to solo this guy eva.01 alot, i think my rec vs him was like 200-2 though,lol. But he was getting alot better and he was fun to solo. He had good manner too. I dont think he plays anymore though because he bought wow. Occassionally ordin,ghetto, and in.bred log on and play a for a little bit. If you want ill play a few games with you. Hit me up on aim(Fadedcole) or PM me.

[Demon_Child]

Ah, ok. Thanks for the heads up. I'll try to contact you sometime in the future, but it may not be for a little while. :/

[Lordshadowbane]

Defend seems kinda weak vs fiends. It just makes microing easier for UD. Especially with unholy aura and ff. Beatles can tear the slow footies up and the DK can just coil them and fiends just need to retreat.

The nuke is imba... It can take down 100 food armies. -_- only problem is to level up all three heroes...not a problem in ffa...

[cole]

Defend is not weak vs fiends like it used to be, especially if you go dual rax and overpower him. You dont defend all of your footys at once, you just defend the 1-2 footys being focus fired on. And if he has a dk and a cl your basically saying that hes tier 2 and if hes tier 2 you should be tier 2 also really. AM/MK is pretty much anti fiend due to WEs, clap, and even bolt works ok. On top of this it will be a little while before your heros run out of mana due to brilliance aura. At tier 2 priest can 2-3 priest are pretty effective dispel for beetles because youll still have plenty of mana to heal to thanks to brilliance aura. And if the dk is coiling the footys, then hes not coiling his fiends which are getting raped. Ud nuke is imbalanced in some ways but its no worse than the AM, FS,warden, and a few other broken heros. You say nuke is imbalanced but you dont really specify what type of nuke.(Coil/nova?, Coil/nova/impale?, or coil/nova/swarm?) Mass air vs ud is pure imbala. I mean ud has very little chance vs a orc that masses bat/wyvern with chain wave wolves and knows how to attack move his wyverns.

[Lordshadowbane]

I mean ud has very little chance vs a orc that masses bat/wyvern with chain wave wolves and knows how to attack move his wyverns.My orc strat is mass wyverns and bats with lust. And I add chainwave.

^ ^.

[cole]

Why not use a strat that actually takes a bit of micro, tt.

[Lordshadowbane]

I do a fast tech making me vulnerable for fiends. Fiends with ghouls kill orc air pretty badly but I have chainwave. I also need to creep and creep jack him and relentlessly harrass him. After wyverns and bats are made I make a voodoo lounge and start teching to poison spears, all 3 casters, and tauren.

[cole]

You shouldnt be vulnerable to fiends if you have a good base setup. Plus if you know how to use your fs then you should be able to kill at least 2 acos if you harrass repeatedly unles he sits in his base with his dk the whole game so he can coil acos.

[Johnsonater]

It's quite interesting going gargs vs. fast teching Orc. You'll tech a bit slower, but dual crypts will already have been set up by the time beastaries are done, and I'm fairly sure that gargs outproduce wyvs, so it's just a matter of keeping your gargs 'in the dark' so that Orc doesn't get bats, otherwise it's GG for UD...

[Lordshadowbane]

It's quite interesting going gargs vs. fast teching Orc. You'll tech a bit slower, but dual crypts will already have been set up by the time beastaries are done, and I'm fairly sure that gargs outproduce wyvs, so it's just a matter of keeping your gargs 'in the dark' so that Orc doesn't get bats, otherwise it's GG for UD...Use goblin lab or wolf.