In Response to Nissa's Thread and other Posts

[Protosschick99]

Alrighty--Wow. So much to say and so little time! I know that I wear my heart on my sleeve and I'm a bit predictable but what I'm about to say goes deeper than that. I'm gonna say everything on my mind and if I get made fun of for it--Oh well. This place is a place of liesure that I go to to get to know new ppl and it is here that I have made already lasting friendships. So this is straight from the my heart.

@ Nissa: I appreciate everything you've done for me chica :) I know what you were trying to say.....And I luv ya dearly for it. *Hugz*

As for everyone else.......Okay ummm--I'm not trying to start a debate and I sure as heck don't want another flame war. I'm posting things as I see them.

I took what Xenon said as a personal attack because of the way he directed his sentences at me. Calling me a b**** and an f-ing this and f-ing that saying I'm a "whore for Jesus" is not a personal attack at all? I honestly don't understand why that would not be since he is actually calling me names.

And also, I am grateful to my church and Pastor so when he insults my Pastor by not calling him by his real name or saying that my church is a cult, insults me. He is attacking my home church and my man of God. When he says comments like, "What happened to your parents marriage? Did your daddy run away with his secretary?" That angers me. I really don't think that my parents divorce is any of his business unless I choose to tell him. He has no idea how much that comment affected me. Only three ppl on this forum know and I will not give out their names.

Also, yes, I live in a "Mobile Home Park" so to say, but it really gets on my nerves when I'm being called "trailer park trash" and all sorts of other names about living in a trailer. Xenon never called me trailer park trash at all, let me clear that up--But from what I understand, he kind of implied it.

Another thing--I absolutely DO NOT like it when my God is attacked so severly. Honestly, if God posted at WB, and He was constantly being attacked, what would you mods do? Assuming that God is a regular member, not an admin or mod or whatever, what would you do? God wouldn't close the thread or delete posts--He could, but He doesn't. Because He has given us free will to do as we please even if that means hating Him.

So if he was constantly being flamed and personally attacked, would you ban the ppl who kept doing it? Close the threads bashing him? Delete the stupid and spammy posts? What?

I wish that you guys would give God that curtosey (however the heck that word is spelled) because what I believe in my heart and know from what the WORD says--Is that God lives on the inside of me. The Most High God lives on the inside of everyone who chooses to give their lives over to Him. So when you bash God you bash me.

I am like God's billboard--I represent Him and I do what I can to live for Him no matter what. I strive to make my concerns His concerns and His thoughts my thoughts. It hurts to see ppl bashing God everyday.....I just know that I'm blessed to know God the way that I do.

Anywayz, to all admins and mods, I will admit (I dunno if you know this Xenon) that I did report some of Xenon's posts. I reported three to be exact. Only because I was getting extremely fed up with what I percieved as personal attacks. On certain posts that he made I can tell the difference between a personal attack and when he's making a statement or opinion. He's pretty strong-willed and that's awesome. Which is why I said that Xenon would be an awesome addition to the Kingdom of God :)

But, back to the admins/mods again--I was upset because in my eyes I saw that nothing was being done about these personal attacks so I got even angrier that I was having to go through a whole 'nother episode of Ole and Raptor put together but like two times worse. (If ya'llz didn't know, Raptor and I got into this huge flame war back at BF. No one did anything at all. And I mean--nothing. I was left to fend for myself, lolz.)

As for that Biblical question thread--I mean seriously ppl--Can you all not see it? I am a woman. That thread opened up with Corinthians. The verse about how Paul thinks that women need to be silent in the churches and have no authority over the men. Xenon knows I'm Christian, he knows I went to Peru and ministered to crowds, he knows that I am very steadfast in my beliefs and that I'm female. Of course that kind of thread was made to try and get me ticked off. Well, it didn't, but I was annoyed with it.

He was challenging me in my opinion and I honestly don't choose to argue with him. If I ever feel it in my heart to sit down and write something about what the Bible says to his debating questions then by all means I will sit down and write everything on my heart that God has told me to say. It says in the Bible to stay away from foolish arguements that will just get you angry and that is what I am doing. I don't want to go and put myself in a situation where I know I'll get angry over it, that would be stupid on my part. I'm doing what I can to stay away from what I used to be and making my life new everyday.

Anywayz, I know that Xenon and I are total opposites, and I actually feel a lot better knowing that he has respect for me. Really, this whole thing between him and I got me angry, but I would get over it in a matter of seconds (Compliments of the Holy Spirit ;))

I dunno if ya'llz have noticed, but I got even angrier at Ole when him and I were arguing. I have learned from Ole and from my behavior that I don't need to take things personally. It's just the internet, lolz. It's not like these ppl are right in front of me telling me these things. :P

But anywayz, Xenon--I really don't need your sympathy when it comes towards my belief's. No offense, but I can say right here, right now that my life has changed for the better since I got saved. :) My income has tripled at my job, I'm recieving favor everywhere I go, I am being blessed constantly, I have a more fulfilling relationship with God, I am being taught the Word correctly, my faith has developed to the point of miracles, I have come extremely far as a person, my talents/gifts/abilities have grown since I have discovered them, since my income has tripled--I am able to give more and bless others more, and my family life is soooo much better than what it used to be!

Living a Godly life is something that I do not regret. You may think otherwise, but I am very content and happy for being a hand maiden of God. =) I've seen miracles, signs, and wonders, and I've experienced, miracles, signs, and wonders--Heck I'm a walking miracle myself =D I was supposed to die a long time ago--But I didn't. I am still here on this earth and Praise God for it!

Anywayz, Xenon, I still am praying for you like I said that I would. It's in my heart to do so. I won't change my mind, because I am a steadfast Christian and I'm not one of your ordinary Christians--I'm different. I can guarantee that. Well, these are my thoughts ya'llz! Now I must go to bed since it's almost 2 in the morning and I have work...today, lolz.

GN and be blessed!

-PC

[Frattimonde]

I agree, TheXenon has definatly gone to far in the posting of all those threads and attacks on you and christianity.

Know anyways that I respect your faith, and I would not attack your beliefs.

You´re a lovely person, and it´s nice to have you here at WB.

[peace_machine]

Not that I agree with everything you say, but it takes alot to change deep thoughts to words and speak what is truley on your mind under these circumstances.

theXenon is definatley smart but what and when he voices his opinion is not always wise. Although I can't fully grasp what has been happening of late I hope what is said in the future will remain the opinion or that person and not be taken to heart as offensive by others.

There is something more I want to say but I just can't figure out what. Maybe in time.

[XTERMIN8OR1]

First of all, Protosschick99, I want to say that I think you've got a point on certain things, but that I don't agree with everything you say (just a quick side-note: can one agree with everything another person says?). I know TheXenon sweared at you, which is wrong, but he also sweared at other people :mad: .

For the rest I think you're a nice person ;) .

[Graeme]

I'll note now that this thread, although its intentions are good, is very much going to turn out to be flamebait. If you guys aren't here to alleviate any stresses or pressure on the issue, then I suggest you don't post at all.

I'm keeping a watchful eye . . .

[Scauthra]

Kiss and make up. Thanks.

[BSTRhino]

Well, I didn't get back in time for the thread close last time, but I wanted to say, Xenon's last post about how he respected you, that was beautiful.

But, I drew a little mind-map to get there's an issue that we need to resolve. Xenon and P-chicky, this might not be the last time a conflict like this happens. First let's set up the ground rules. We need both of you to be committed to working out the problem. So to do this, we need you to be able to be understanding. Try to make your answers short (don't drone on) and don't use your posts to lay blame.

First, let me describe how I'm seeing the issue. Xenon and Protosschick99, in the last thread I described you both as total individuals, not afraid to be yourself, and not afraid to defend what you believe. Do you both feel that is an accurate description of you?

Protosschick, the way most people see you is, you are very religious. The thing is, sometimes people react to this in by returning flames. So, do you see how the way you talk and the things you say might be causing them to get wound up?

Xenon, P-chicky has said that she was feeling angry and hurt by some things you said. One example was "What happened to your parents marriage? Did your daddy run away with his secretary?" Do you understand why Protosschick felt like she did after those comments?

[Xenon]

Check my PM to you BSTRhino.

[Kaervek]

Great post, PChick. I think you know my stance on religion, etc. etc., so I won't even bother going on about that and how I can be somewhat annoyed at your adament faith. I don't post here hardly enough to know what's been going on, but I for one can attest to being at odds with Xenon myself in the past.

Let me say this: I know you're a great person, regardless of any circumstances (I lived in a trailer park myself a few times - it's far from a big deal ;) ) and that you mean no harm to anybody at all. You're very well-spoken, albeit a little ...out there in your beliefs :P

I also know that Xenon is an absolutely great person himself! He's opinionated - God forbid (I know, I'm sorry :P ) - and he's very strong-willed when it comes to making a point or debating on any topic. I've been frustrated with him in the past, and he has been with me. But we both understand that such frustrations, especially with a person we don't even know, is quite frivolous and laughable. I can honestly say that, in more ways than one, Xenon is an admirable person with alot to say which should be heard. Same with you... kind of :p No, seriously, you're both very opinionated and have alot to say that can be applied to all walks of life and that is very valid for everybody to consider.

People get heated in debates, especially when one's views are so different from the other's. Look at some of my posts at BF regarding abortion vs. Courthead. Or theology vs. Jedi_Templar / Elric. Basically, don't take it to heart - if anything, you might just start understanding their way of looking at things, and come to some sort of common-ground... even become buddies! *shrugs*

Oh, and this "Ole" dude. Is that OleManiac from BF? Yah, that guy's a complete tool anyway. Just ignore his meaningless, half-hearted attempts at anything resembling human conversation. ;)

EDIT: Oh, and with regards to this thread (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=6467), I really don't think Xenon is of such a low-calibur to be equated or even compared to this Ole or Raptor. :)

[Black.Ice]

I kept writing a response, and then revising it... maybe three or four times. I don't know what to say without soundling like an idiot, or maybe sounding inconsiderate. So I decided not to post in this thread. Then I came back, and decided to write something like this.

Gracie, you're religous and that's great. It doesn't matter what you do nor what other say about you. I understand that it was annoying, but coming from a background where your religion gets bashed every day, it doesn't matter what others say. I know you've already stated something along those lines, but I just want to let you know you aint the only one. .. ;)

It seems like this thing has been blown out of proportion. I see logic and reasoning behind TheX posting what he did. I'm not saying it was the right thing to do, all I'm saying is that I see his reasoning.

You guys are both grown adults, and you both seem adamant in not changing. So, stop trying to change each other.

Gracie, one of my biggest pet peeves is others forcing religion in my face. I am confident in what I believe, and I don't like others sticking stuff in my face. I don't go around saying, "Islam, Islam its the best of them all," nor do I expect someone to do that in my face. From the most unbiased point of view that I can muster, I'm just saying you seem to be flaunting religion around TheX, who seems to be agnostic (perhaps Atheist?). I'm not saying that this is a bad thing - it's your right. I'm just saying that this may be the cause TheX responding the way he did.

Xenon, all I can say is try not be so harsh. You're intelligent, no doubt about it. Why phrase stuff the way that you do? You can do it more eloquently, I'm sure. Trying to be as unbias as I can, all I'm saying is that you were a little rude. I believe your statements were a little too personal. I mean, you know PC's character. You know what effect your responsed would have...

Both of you are grown adults. Don't feud over something so simple.

Well... that's what I had to write. I don't know whether this was of any use or not, but I just felt like writing my opinion...

[Xenon]

You know what effect your responsed would have...

Points to ponder. ;)

[Geno]

If I might say so (*Hears voices in the back screaming NO!*), I would like to state my opinion, which will be slightly bias, but I'll do the best I can to see this openly:

PC: I'll agree with you on nearly everything you say about the Bible, within reason. If you said God wants me to jump off a cliff, because it says so, I'll tell you yea right. But for the most part, I agree with you. I also care for you a lot (For those of you that didn't know, we talk on the phone nearly every other night...), and don't want to see you hurt. But you said it yourself: You take things too seriously. I've learned that you seem to take anything stated against Christians or the Bible in a radically different way than intended. Upon further inspection against TheXenon's posts, I realized that he wasn't being that rude. He actually was debating you, but in a... How to say it... Harsh? No... That's not the word... In a heated way... As in, he pushed heavily from his side. Although it seems rude to you, I looked back, and realized that most, if not all, of his first posts weren't flames, but heavy debated threads. Although some of his more recent ones I haven't looked over, they seemed like flames, but if I looked at them closer, I might realize they weren't.

Basically, Gracie, I'll say it again, like I told you on the phone: You have to be more open, stop, take a breath, and learn to accept that not everyone will agree, not everyone will change, and some things aren't worth fighting. Remember, there are people other than TheXenon that you can change. Try and find them before focusing intently on him Praying for him is one thing, but preaching is quite another (And not to say you were or weren't preaching, but in the end, it seemed like BOTH of you were preaching).

And now to TheXenon:

When I first saw you start posting, I'll admit, I was somewhat afraid. I knew you were a heavy debater when you were at BF, and I knew of your record from there. I knew, though, that nothing was going to happen here from looking at your past records. This is more or less a second chance. But really, I didn't know what to expect. Once you started getting into the religious debates, I sat back, idly by, figuring out if I wanted to even post. I have read a lot of your posts, and you know what you speak quite well. I compliment you for your knowledge (Read as: Go on Jeopardy). But after a while, I felt like you were flaming my good friend. Now I know I'm being totally bias there, and not looking at what you're posting, and I hope you accept my apologies for that. I took it as you trying to call her out, upset her, and whatnot. Please remember, I stand by my friends, although not usually loudly on the internet, but I do support them. But once I read into your threads, and realized what you were posting, I saw that you weren't, in fact, flaming, but debating heavily. For one that doesn't debate often, nor knows the best way to on the internet, it's hard to catch. If I had more often, I might have realized it. And please remember, PC doesn't do that often either. We're both casual posters who enjoy a nice game in the RP forum. So again, I hope you understand why I acted the way I did, and I'll admit, I reported two of your posts, but now that I look back on that, I somewhat regret it.

My personal advice, which may be destroyed, used, or whatnot:

Please remember that PC doesn't debate often. She's more of a preacher in life than online. I really with I had caught on sooner, for I would have talked to PC and made her aware of what I saw, and this most likely wouldn't have escalated to what it is now. The only thing I must ask on would be the religious thread that spoke of the women not speaking and whatnot. That is the only thing I still wonder about, if it were flame bait, or if it was actually a legitimate question, or even both? Beyond that, I highly respect you, TheXenon, and enjoy reading your debates (Because, quite honestly, I like seeing 90% of people get slammed by a door in their face by you XD). I'm sorry we got off to a bad foot (From both PC and myself), and hope that this won't happen again. At least, not in this fashion.

Please accept both PC and I's apologies, and let's move on. This is, after all, an online forum. Things usually change in a day. Let's say this day ended, and a new one began, shall we?

~Larry "Geno" Meyers
- RP forum Ambassador

[Seraph_Knight]

Hey PC, nice to see you again. I would say just don't let Xenon get to you. His whole mission here is to be a complete asshole and make sure everyone around here is ruffled. I have seen very little else that would prove otherwise. In any case, I would'nt suggest you trying to get him "modded". First of all, he is a freind of a Mod here, (I believe Schwitzer), So don't count on him going anywhere as long as he is protected by his freind. Second, if RoP posted this:

http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=6556&page=4&pp=10 (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=6556&page=4&pp=10)

And I reported him, and no action was taken, I would'nt count on Xenon being modded any time soon. I realize that the supposed "thirty some year old man with wife and kids, who curiously has little better to do than antagonize teenagers like a young teen who is pissed at the world" (who i bet also does'nt even own, let alone play or have interest in any game by blizzard) should by alrights be banned from the internet for his hatred and malice he has poured out ever since he got here, but since he has not, because of some cruel twist of fate, we will have to deal with him. My hunch is, if we just completely ignore him, we will take away his entire reason for being here: trying to make our lives as miserable as his. I would jsut suggest we completely ignore him, as well as all his asinine remarks, cut-downs, insults, and anything else he tries, then maybe he will get the picture that he is wasting his time, because we refuse to waste our time on someone who has done nothing to deserve anything but a punch in the face at the least.

[Neo]

I dont understand why at this point anyone takes Xenon's posts seriously when he goes into 'personal attack mode'

Not that I would brush it off either, but isnt this what PMs are for? O_o

Also I would suggest that those of you not directly related to this stop posting.

On a final note, I would suggest people look into this feature right here:

http://www.warboards.org/profile.php?do=editlist

See that "ignore list" thing? There are many people who utilize it to ignore people they don't like. It often works wonders.

-Neo

[Seraph_Knight]

You realize Neo, that it takes someone to open the door for people to realize they should walk their dumb ass through it :P lol

[Seraph_Knight]

That is obscene, and you should take that down before some child wanders on here and sees that.

[Xenon]

ROFL.

Nice one Kaervek. Oh, By the way... if you see Sambo, try and entice him to come on over here. We make a good tag-team when playing BW.

Seraph_Knight: I challenge you to a game of Brood War. If you're man enough, that is.

[BSTRhino]

What Seraph_Knight said Kaervek if you would please.

[Xenon]

Why? Where's the harm? Does it really bother anyone that much? Are we all such pussies that an image of someone's middle finger will deeply offend us? Why are there smilies attributed to this board with the middle finger?

People need to grow up and stop hiding behind the "children" excuse.

:devil::lame:

[Fenguin]

I wouldn't say that we're offended by the middle finger concept as much as the fact that those hands are extremely ugly. The abundance of callouses isn't very pretty, I'm afraid.

[Xenon]

I found them to be good strong working hands. In a word, beautiful.

:)

[Fenguin]

Touché.

[Neo]

Just another reason yall scare me.

To be fair we are supposed to be a child-friendly board. I mean, you dont see a Chick Thread (yet) do you?

Heh.

-Neo

[GrassDragon]

Chick thread as in posting pictures of chicks to gawk at? It was done and closed already :P

EDIT: Here's the link:
http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=3506

[Calibur]

Just another reason yall scare me.

To be fair we are supposed to be a child-friendly board. I mean, you dont see a Chick Thread (yet) do you?

Heh.

-Neo
Really?????

*Checks Edgewise's set of rules*
http://www.warboards.org/announcement.php?f=2&announcementid=1

Doesn't seem to say anything about that but it does say we should listen to moderators ,so if a moderator said this forum was supposed to be child-freindly would it count?????

[Neo]

The aim for WB is just serve as a place for young and old gamers alike to post and argue.

That is, we aren't aiming to be a flame-filled sinkhole of crap. If you wish to act immature thats fine, its even entertaining sometimes, but that doesnt mean you can go and post with cuss words every other word, or post huge "forum pictures" with mother f*cker in huge bold lines.

Besides that I would like to meat a 10 year old who hasn't seen a middle finger before (and doesn't know what it means)

Use common sense people... xP

*I meant a chick thread that not only stays open, but has admins posting in it xP*

-Neo

PS: *cough* smartasses

[Xenon]

Besides that I would like to meat a 10 year old

As far as I know, "meating" 10 year olds is illegal. ;)

[Basan]

I'm might be taken as biased of some sort but gonna say something related 2 the whole situation at hand as well. :concern:

2 u both (P.Chick n' Xenon),

Tolerance is the key. And as u can see I try 2 remain the upmost by it. ;)
Sometimes I get outta hand as u both did... see the Scipio's incidents 4 instance.
He started 2 boast so much unfundamented righ-wing extremist crap that I reacted. See this thread (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=6510) and it's brother (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=6509) as abonatory witnesses of it. There are others, but since those are more well thought (from his behalf), I'm not gonna exhume it. We didn't clash 'till that ocasion, 'cause his points didn' t stepped directly in my toes, altough I didn't always agreed with it's points of view. When it did, all hell broke loose... from my side that is (don't know 'bout his).
Extremism(s) is 1 of the things that gets 2 me the most n' I thought he's was goin' 2 far with it. Thus replied. Bad idea or not, it's up 4 the eyes of it's beholder. :shiftyl:

Recall that I'm biased on neutrality (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=6607). I consider myself kinda strongh-willed n' 2 change my mind u'll have a field day (almost as u did with each other ;)), but when mistaken I just admit it.
On the other hand if u realise that can't 'convert' each other 2 the other point(s) of view, just compromise, shake hands n' go on with ur bussiness... other ocasions will come. That might come from tolerance kicking in. This n' the polite policy works wonders in forums.
That's my opinion 4 most of'em at least... :)

[Xenon]

Was that even English?

[Basan]

Yes, it is. Do u want a mild short-terms IRC language dic (http://www.dlc.fi/%7Efrog/acronyms.htm)!?! *Foresees another "the way I post" flamin' point*
It's readable, isn't it? So, don't start with it! :P

[Xenon]

Really? I could swear "abonatory" was a made-up word. Ditto for "unfundamented"; and "his points didn' t stepped directly in my toes" is some wacky shit bro.

How do you "step directly in" someone's toes anyway? "altough I didn't always agreed with it's points of view" How many points were there?

[RoP]

Well, protosschick99, you have spoken your mind. Now I shall speak mine. I would rather stay out of a thread like this, since I find that they mostly do not concern me. Someone, however, has named me (brought to my attention through a friend on the board) and I have decided to discuss my ideas.

I will start out by saying one thing: I have been primarily a lurker at warboards. I was actually one of the first 4 members to sign up at warboards (then fenguin removed me, since at the time, warboards was not supposed to be in existence...) I have enjoyed reading stuff here for a long, long time. In the beginning, I noticed that since many members came here from blizzforums and were looking for a new, innovative approach to communicating through forums, they were extremely civilized.

I returned to posting here a few weeks ago. I instantly noticed that there was a slight change in forum dynamics. Half the people were still the same - they post awesome, interesting ideas, topics, etc. One-fourth were new members and were actually are very nice. The final fourth, however, consists of what I want to call the "scum." They constantly wish to get involved in small battles and melees against other members. Why, I can only guess... they have nothing better to do.

Let us take our fellow member Seraph_Knight here:
Hey PC, nice to see you again. I would say just don't let Xenon get to you. His whole mission here is to be a complete asshole and make sure everyone around here is ruffled. I have seen very little else that would prove otherwise. In any case, I would'nt suggest you trying to get him "modded". First of all, he is a freind of a Mod here, (I believe Schwitzer), So don't count on him going anywhere as long as he is protected by his freind. Second, if RoP posted this:

http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=6556&page=4&pp=10 (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=6556&page=4&pp=10)

And I reported him, and no action was taken, I would'nt count on Xenon being modded any time soon. I realize that the supposed "thirty some year old man with wife and kids, who curiously has little better to do than antagonize teenagers like a young teen who is pissed at the world" (who i bet also does'nt even own, let alone play or have interest in any game by blizzard) should by alrights be banned from the internet for his hatred and malice he has poured out ever since he got here, but since he has not, because of some cruel twist of fate, we will have to deal with him. My hunch is, if we just completely ignore him, we will take away his entire reason for being here: trying to make our lives as miserable as his. I would jsut suggest we completely ignore him, as well as all his asinine remarks, cut-downs, insults, and anything else he tries, then maybe he will get the picture that he is wasting his time, because we refuse to waste our time on someone who has done nothing to deserve anything but a punch in the face at the least.

I like how (a) tries to talk about random junk about board politics (b)focus on himself (c) names another board member with whom he has supposedly reconciled (i.e. "RoP" or me). It is this kind of behavior that primarily annoys me. He posted an absolutely horrible post, making a joke about a situation I found far from funny. I decided that I did not care whether I got banned or not - I flamed him, yes - because I felt that he needed to be taught a lesson. He needed to realize that he cannot go posting miserable jokes about those who have lost their lives, sitting behind his monitor, shrouded in anonymity. It made me sick and that's what the post was about. He is a member of this fourth group - they wish to flame and post flamebait. He does little to make the forum a better place. I would like to pull up his last several posts to show you how poorly constructed his arguments and thoughts are; how miserably foolish he sounds and how many useless/harmful remarks he makes but that would be a waste of our time. The rest of the people I have gotten angry at have accepted my side of the argument and amended their ways. This one, however, neither acknowledges his vast mistakes nor does he attempt to resolve the issue at hand. I am sick of people like him. He is the kind of person ruining the board.

I understand, protosschick, your problem with xenon. I have but one suggestion for both of you: consider the other person's feelings - you've come to learn about each other's views now and I think you both can maturely discuss those topics. I would recommend rage ONLY if the other person crosses the line and attacks you very personally.

Also, Xenon - I have to say, your insults are awesome (yeah, I make up similar sets of words when I flame people on other boards), but please just tone it down a little. I don't care about the little kids. Rather, it's just that I can never stop laughing. I have broken two ribs by laughing alone.

[BSTRhino]

Basan, the way you type has been brought up many times. It is annoying to a lot of people, not just Xenon. If you type like that, people are not going to take you seriously or not listen to you, and you have to deal with that.

Kaervek, I've removed the image from your post, I'm sure you understand.

Seraph_Knight, RoP was seriously provoked in that situation.


I'm leaving this thread open because this is about Protosschick. I think she would be willing to see the posts here, and respond to them. Let's not try to distract from this point.

[Kaervek]

Really? I could swear "abonatory" was a made-up word. Ditto for "unfundamented"; and "his points didn' t stepped directly in my toes" is some wacky shit bro.

How do you "step directly in" someone's toes anyway? "altough I didn't always agreed with it's points of view" How many points were there? LMAO

Indeed.

That is obscene, and you should take that down before some child wanders on here and sees that.
Obscene? You don't get out much, do you?

If anything's 'obscene,' it's your apparent desire to censor and even ban somebody from accessing the internet whom may have different views and morals from your own.

http://www.subliminallusion.com/images/forums/pot_kettle.jpg

[Fenguin]

http://www.subliminallusion.com/images/forums/pot_kettle.jpg
LOL, that is freaking sweet. It made me giggle. xP

[Protosschick99]

Well, I have read the whole thread and plan to respond to every single post that has to do with the current situation! So, here it goes!

Know anyways that I respect your faith, and I would not attack your beliefs.

You´re a lovely person, and it´s nice to have you here at WB.Thank you Fratt--That shows a lot of maturity on your part and I appreciate it soo much :) I enjoy posting with you too!

Not that I agree with everything you say, but it takes alot to change deep thoughts to words and speak what is truley on your mind under these circumstances.

theXenon is definatley smart but what and when he voices his opinion is not always wise. Although I can't fully grasp what has been happening of late I hope what is said in the future will remain the opinion or that person and not be taken to heart as offensive by others.

There is something more I want to say but I just can't figure out what. Maybe in time.P_M, Thank you. What we have spoken of between ourselves was extremely comforting and exactly what I needed to hear. And you are right, I put my thoughts from my heart into words and under those circumstances, it was a bit difficult, but I managed :)

First of all, Protosschick99, I want to say that I think you've got a point on certain things, but that I don't agree with everything you say (just a quick side-note: can one agree with everything another person says?). I know TheXenon sweared at you, which is wrong, but he also sweared at other people.

For the rest I think you're a nice person.A lot of ppl don't agree with what I say in this world--I'm used to it :P But thank you for your concern XTERMIN8OR1, I appreciate it more than you know.

Kiss and make up. Thanks.lolz--Easier said than done. I live in Cali--He lives...I dunno where. Besides, I don't wanna kiss him, he's not my type--Someone else is *hint hint @ someone who posts here....;)* lolz.

Well, I didn't get back in time for the thread close last time, but I wanted to say, Xenon's last post about how he respected you, that was beautiful.

But, I drew a little mind-map to get there's an issue that we need to resolve. Xenon and P-chicky, this might not be the last time a conflict like this happens. First let's set up the ground rules. We need both of you to be committed to working out the problem. So to do this, we need you to be able to be understanding. Try to make your answers short (don't drone on) and don't use your posts to lay blame.

First, let me describe how I'm seeing the issue. Xenon and Protosschick99, in the last thread I described you both as total individuals, not afraid to be yourself, and not afraid to defend what you believe. Do you both feel that is an accurate description of you?

Protosschick, the way most people see you is, you are very religious. The thing is, sometimes people react to this in by returning flames. So, do you see how the way you talk and the things you say might be causing them to get wound up?I am an individual, I know that I am. =) And honestly, I wish ppl wouldn't judge me as religious--Because I'm very far from it. From what I understand, a religious person is one who is stuck in the rules and tradition of the church. It's not about rules and tradition--It's about Jesus and serving Him. I don't choose tradition over God--I choose God over tradition. There is a major difference between me and me being religious. If I need to explain that any further, ask away!

Also Rhino--You are like, the most bomb mod ever =D Seriously, I like your style and your personality. But I will say this, if ppl get offended because I say that Jesus is the Lord of my life--I don't care. I really don't. I'm not about to change for them cuz they are not my Savior. Jesus is. That's what I feel, think, and live :)

Great post, PChick. I think you know my stance on religion, etc. etc., so I won't even bother going on about that and how I can be somewhat annoyed at your adament faith. I don't post here hardly enough to know what's been going on, but I for one can attest to being at odds with Xenon myself in the past.

Let me say this: I know you're a great person, regardless of any circumstances (I lived in a trailer park myself a few times - it's far from a big deal) and that you mean no harm to anybody at all. You're very well-spoken, albeit a little ...out there in your beliefs.

I also know that Xenon is an absolutely great person himself! He's opinionated - God forbid (I know, I'm sorry) - and he's very strong-willed when it comes to making a point or debating on any topic. I've been frustrated with him in the past, and he has been with me. But we both understand that such frustrations, especially with a person we don't even know, is quite frivolous and laughable. I can honestly say that, in more ways than one, Xenon is an admirable person with alot to say which should be heard. Same with you... kind of :p No, seriously, you're both very opinionated and have alot to say that can be applied to all walks of life and that is very valid for everybody to consider.

People get heated in debates, especially when one's views are so different from the other's. Look at some of my posts at BF regarding abortion vs. Courthead. Or theology vs. Jedi_Templar / Elric. Basically, don't take it to heart - if anything, you might just start understanding their way of looking at things, and come to some sort of common-ground... even become buddies! *shrugs*

Oh, and this "Ole" dude. Is that OleManiac from BF? Yah, that guy's a complete tool anyway. Just ignore his meaningless, half-hearted attempts at anything resembling human conversation.

EDIT: Oh, and with regards to this thread (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=6467), I really don't think Xenon is of such a low-calibur to be equated or even compared to this Ole or Raptor.Wow, you said I'm a great person, lolz. You have no idea how jolly that made me just reading that, lolz. Seriously. You wanna know a secret? Okay....I've always avoided talking to you because the last time I got into a discussion with you you got all evil on me (Well, that's what I thought at the time but now know you were just debating.)

It was waaay back in the day on BF, when Scorch and I were dating....And of course, Scorch saw what you said and defended me and then you got back at him and told him something like, [i"That's not gonna get you laid."[/i]

Man I got sooo mad at that comment, lolz. Cuz I'm so virgin it's not funny, lolz. I know that sounds funny but it's true. Anywayz! Ever since then I avoided talking to you or whatever cuz I didn't wanna get all stupid again. Well, what you have posted here means a whole lot to me and let me tell you--I appreciate it greatly! Thank you Kaervek.

Gracie, you're religous and that's great. It doesn't matter what you do nor what other say about you. I understand that it was annoying, but coming from a background where your religion gets bashed every day, it doesn't matter what others say. I know you've already stated something along those lines, but I just want to let you know you aint the only one. ..

It seems like this thing has been blown out of proportion. I see logic and reasoning behind TheX posting what he did. I'm not saying it was the right thing to do, all I'm saying is that I see his reasoning.

You guys are both grown adults, and you both seem adamant in not changing. So, stop trying to change each other.

Gracie, one of my biggest pet peeves is others forcing religion in my face. I am confident in what I believe, and I don't like others sticking stuff in my face. I don't go around saying, "Islam, Islam its the best of them all," nor do I expect someone to do that in my face. From the most unbiased point of view that I can muster, I'm just saying you seem to be flaunting religion around TheX, who seems to be agnostic (perhaps Atheist?). I'm not saying that this is a bad thing - it's your right. I'm just saying that this may be the cause TheX responding the way he did.

Xenon, all I can say is try not be so harsh. You're intelligent, no doubt about it. Why phrase stuff the way that you do? You can do it more eloquently, I'm sure. Trying to be as unbias as I can, all I'm saying is that you were a little rude. I believe your statements were a little too personal. I mean, you know PC's character. You know what effect your responsed would have...

Both of you are grown adults. Don't feud over something so simple.

Well... that's what I had to write. I don't know whether this was of any use or not, but I just felt like writing my opinion...Ummm....I appreciate what you've said Black.Ice....But umm--Since when have I tried to change Xenon? I haven't been throwing Bible scriptures at him or telling him that he's gonna burn in hell , I haven't been shouting at him to give his life to Jesus or anything--So, I don't know where that sentence came from, lolz.

Anywayz, you're right about one thing--We both are grown adults. Xenon moreso over me, I don't even have my license yet :p lolz

But yeah, I'm gonna do my best to not take things so seriously now.

If I might say so (*Hears voices in the back screaming NO!*), I would like to state my opinion, which will be slightly bias, but I'll do the best I can to see this openly:

PC: I'll agree with you on nearly everything you say about the Bible, within reason. If you said God wants me to jump off a cliff, because it says so, I'll tell you yea right. But for the most part, I agree with you. I also care for you a lot (For those of you that didn't know, we talk on the phone nearly every other night...), and don't want to see you hurt. But you said it yourself: You take things too seriously. I've learned that you seem to take anything stated against Christians or the Bible in a radically different way than intended. Upon further inspection against TheXenon's posts, I realized that he wasn't being that rude. He actually was debating you, but in a... How to say it... Harsh? No... That's not the word... In a heated way... As in, he pushed heavily from his side. Although it seems rude to you, I looked back, and realized that most, if not all, of his first posts weren't flames, but heavy debated threads. Although some of his more recent ones I haven't looked over, they seemed like flames, but if I looked at them closer, I might realize they weren't.

Basically, Gracie, I'll say it again, like I told you on the phone: You have to be more open, stop, take a breath, and learn to accept that not everyone will agree, not everyone will change, and some things aren't worth fighting. Remember, there are people other than TheXenon that you can change. Try and find them before focusing intently on him Praying for him is one thing, but preaching is quite another (And not to say you were or weren't preaching, but in the end, it seemed like BOTH of you were preaching).

My personal advice, which may be destroyed, used, or whatnot:

Please remember that PC doesn't debate often. She's more of a preacher in life than online. I really with I had caught on sooner, for I would have talked to PC and made her aware of what I saw, and this most likely wouldn't have escalated to what it is now. The only thing I must ask on would be the religious thread that spoke of the women not speaking and whatnot. That is the only thing I still wonder about, if it were flame bait, or if it was actually a legitimate question, or even both? Beyond that, I highly respect you, TheXenon, and enjoy reading your debates (Because, quite honestly, I like seeing 90% of people get slammed by a door in their face by you XD). I'm sorry we got off to a bad foot (From both PC and myself), and hope that this won't happen again. At least, not in this fashion.

Please accept both PC and I's apologies, and let's move on. This is, after all, an online forum. Things usually change in a day. Let's say this day ended, and a new one began, shall we?

~Larry "Geno" Meyers
- RP forum AmbassadorI already talked to you about your post a few nights ago =)

Hey PC, nice to see you again. I would say just don't let Xenon get to you. His whole mission here is to be a complete asshole and make sure everyone around here is ruffled. I have seen very little else that would prove otherwise. In any case, I would'nt suggest you trying to get him "modded". First of all, he is a freind of a Mod here, (I believe Schwitzer), So don't count on him going anywhere as long as he is protected by his freind. Second, if RoP posted this:

http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=6556&page=4&pp=10 (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=6556&page=4&pp=10)

And I reported him, and no action was taken, I would'nt count on Xenon being modded any time soon. I realize that the supposed "thirty some year old man with wife and kids, who curiously has little better to do than antagonize teenagers like a young teen who is pissed at the world" (who i bet also does'nt even own, let alone play or have interest in any game by blizzard) should by alrights be banned from the internet for his hatred and malice he has poured out ever since he got here, but since he has not, because of some cruel twist of fate, we will have to deal with him. My hunch is, if we just completely ignore him, we will take away his entire reason for being here: trying to make our lives as miserable as his. I would jsut suggest we completely ignore him, as well as all his asinine remarks, cut-downs, insults, and anything else he tries, then maybe he will get the picture that he is wasting his time, because we refuse to waste our time on someone who has done nothing to deserve anything but a punch in the face at the least.Seraph_Knight, my homie, lolz. Every single time that you defended me from any remark at all truly touched me. You and I don't even know each other at all, yet you came to my defense just as loud as Xenon and man that made me smile when I was angry and hurt. =)

But, I will say that you are outright flaming Xenon in this thread and I didn't purposely make this to dog on Xenon, just express how I feel. Girls just need to do that occasionally ya know? Express how they feel, not really bash anyone. I expressed why I felt the way I felt....And I feel a lot better because of it.

Anywayz, I appreciate you Seraph_Knight, expect a PM from me soon. =)

I dont understand why at this point anyone takes Xenon's posts seriously when he goes into 'personal attack mode'

Not that I would brush it off either, but isnt this what PMs are for? O_o

Also I would suggest that those of you not directly related to this stop posting.

On a final note, I would suggest people look into this feature right here:

http://www.warboards.org/profile.php?do=editlist

See that "ignore list" thing? There are many people who utilize it to ignore people they don't like. It often works wonders.

-NeoPpl take personal attacks seriously. I do, and I know more than one person here does.

About the ignore thing--lolz! That's great, I don't use the ignore feature ever because--I don't like to ignore ppl. Even if they are just stupid. Because what if their attitude changes? So I choose not to. =)

I'm might be taken as biased of some sort but gonna say something related 2 the whole situation at hand as well.

2 u both (P.Chick n' Xenon),

Tolerance is the key. And as u can see I try 2 remain the upmost by it.
Sometimes I get outta hand as u both did... see the Scipio's incidents 4 instance.
He started 2 boast so much unfundamented righ-wing extremist crap that I reacted. See this thread (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=6510) and it's brother (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=6509) as abonatory witnesses of it. There are others, but since those are more well thought (from his behalf), I'm not gonna exhume it. We didn't clash 'till that ocasion, 'cause his points didn' t stepped directly in my toes, altough I didn't always agreed with it's points of view. When it did, all hell broke loose... from my side that is (don't know 'bout his).
Extremism(s) is 1 of the things that gets 2 me the most n' I thought he's was goin' 2 far with it. Thus replied. Bad idea or not, it's up 4 the eyes of it's beholder.

Recall that I'm biased on neutrality (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=6607). I consider myself kinda strongh-willed n' 2 change my mind u'll have a field day (almost as u did with each other), but when mistaken I just admit it.
On the other hand if u realise that can't 'convert' each other 2 the other point(s) of view, just compromise, shake hands n' go on with ur bussiness... other ocasions will come. That might come from tolerance kicking in. This n' the polite policy works wonders in forums.
That's my opinion 4 most of'em at least...Ummm....Come again? =\

Was that even English?For once--We agree--LOLZ! ;P

Well, protosschick99, you have spoken your mind. Now I shall speak mine. I would rather stay out of a thread like this, since I find that they mostly do not concern me. Someone, however, has named me (brought to my attention through a friend on the board) and I have decided to discuss my ideas.

I will start out by saying one thing: I have been primarily a lurker at warboards. I was actually one of the first 4 members to sign up at warboards (then fenguin removed me, since at the time, warboards was not supposed to be in existence...) I have enjoyed reading stuff here for a long, long time. In the beginning, I noticed that since many members came here from blizzforums and were looking for a new, innovative approach to communicating through forums, they were extremely civilized.

I returned to posting here a few weeks ago. I instantly noticed that there was a slight change in forum dynamics. Half the people were still the same - they post awesome, interesting ideas, topics, etc. One-fourth were new members and were actually are very nice. The final fourth, however, consists of what I want to call the "scum." They constantly wish to get involved in small battles and melees against other members. Why, I can only guess... they have nothing better to do.

Let us take our fellow member Seraph_Knight here:


I like how (a) tries to talk about random junk about board politics (b)focus on himself (c) names another board member with whom he has supposedly reconciled (i.e. "RoP" or me). It is this kind of behavior that primarily annoys me. He posted an absolutely horrible post, making a joke about a situation I found far from funny. I decided that I did not care whether I got banned or not - I flamed him, yes - because I felt that he needed to be taught a lesson. He needed to realize that he cannot go posting miserable jokes about those who have lost their lives, sitting behind his monitor, shrouded in anonymity. It made me sick and that's what the post was about. He is a member of this fourth group - they wish to flame and post flamebait. He does little to make the forum a better place. I would like to pull up his last several posts to show you how poorly constructed his arguments and thoughts are; how miserably foolish he sounds and how many useless/harmful remarks he makes but that would be a waste of our time. The rest of the people I have gotten angry at have accepted my side of the argument and amended their ways. This one, however, neither acknowledges his vast mistakes nor does he attempt to resolve the issue at hand. I am sick of people like him. He is the kind of person ruining the board.

I understand, protosschick, your problem with xenon. I have but one suggestion for both of you: consider the other person's feelings - you've come to learn about each other's views now and I think you both can maturely discuss those topics. I would recommend rage ONLY if the other person crosses the line and attacks you very personally.

Also, Xenon - I have to say, your insults are awesome (yeah, I make up similar sets of words when I flame people on other boards), but please just tone it down a little. I don't care about the little kids. Rather, it's just that I can never stop laughing. I have broken two ribs by laughing alone.RoP--Please don't flame. I made this thread to stay away from that so that we can try and understand each other more--And it's working but, I would like all flames clear of this thread if you don't mind =)

Anywayz, you are right, we need to consider one another's feelings. I know I've grown as a person through this "learning experience" with Xenon and advice like yours is helpful.

I'm leaving this thread open because this is about Protosschick. I think she would be willing to see the posts here, and respond to them. Let's not try to distract from this point.Thank you Rhino, and this is exactly what I've done. =)

[Neo]

As far as I know, "meating" 10 year olds is illegal. ;)
PS: *cough* smartasses
Neo can not be held accountable for early morning posts.

@PC: That ignore thing was more aimed at Seraph since he seems to not like Xenon.

There are people I don't like, but I don't feel the need to ignore them, becuase most of the time I just... ignore them (the manual way!).

This 'clash' will probably settle down soon and we can all get back to ... uhm ... laughing at Carnage!

-Neo

[Seraph_Knight]

1: Xenon vrs Basan in the spelling battlefeild, This I GOTTA see! who will crack first?

2: RoP, I hardly think making a joke about bush implies much if any about anything about the army. In any case, your over a dozen cuss words and absolute vulgar behavior were completely uncalled for, and unacceptible. Even if I was to go outright and proclaim a complete distaste and insult against the military(which I never did), you still have no room to result to the kind of behavior you pulled. So you say people making jokes when someone is mournin ticks you off? People like you who are trying to play some hero, not to mention twisting my words around, ticks ME off.

3: Xenon, although I would accept your SC challange, I only play UMS because melee is kinda boring. Not to mention I have been playign d2 for a while now. Sure you would'nt rather play D2 instead?

4: PC, flame? If I recall correctly, you me and xenon were posting seriously about religion on a thread, then Schwitzer closed it. Apparently, due to the timing which I find unbeleiveble otherwise, is that Xenon directly afterwards started two other threads about religion, which anyone could see was just a hook, trying to get someone to bite on it. I would go so far as to venture that Xenon treasures getting a rise out of christians more than any gift that could be wrapped in Christmas paper.

5: RoP, you say I post things with little or no thought. Any proof? You said you would pull some of my arguments to show everyone how "poorly" constructed they are. Well then, where are they? Please RoP. Cut the "i gotta teach you a lesson". First off, I am not some @$$hole, second, you are CERTAINLY not some hero, and third, there is a **** of a lot more terrible people out there "ruining" this forum than me. If you bothered to actually LISTEN TO ME instead of trying to flame, insult, and try to destroy me on some hellbent "crusade", you would see I am no villan, and that you are wasting your time.

6: Neo, just what was I being a "smartass" about? I like to know so I can at the least, hmm, I dunno. Be smug about it? Sure, why not?

[Fenguin]

2: RoP, I hardly think making a joke about bush implies much if any about anything about the army. In any case, your over a dozen cuss words and absolute vulgar behavior were completely uncalled for, and unacceptible. Even if I was to go outright and proclaim a complete distaste and insult against the military(which I never did), you still have no room to result to the kind of behavior you pulled. So you say people making jokes when someone is mournin ticks you off? People like you who are trying to play some hero, not to mention twisting my words around, ticks ME off.
Oh god, don't start on this again. Don't even try to compare the two. Obviously, someone dying is far more unfortunate than someone's huge ego (namely yours) being wounded. Stop pretending you're the victim here; everything RoP has said about you stems from that careless comment you made in that thread.

RoP, you say I post things with little or no thought. Any proof? You said you would pull some of my arguments to show everyone how "poorly" constructed they are. Well then, where are they? Please RoP. Cut the "i gotta teach you a lesson". First off, I am not some @$$hole, second, you are CERTAINLY not some hero, and third, there is a **** of a lot more terrible people out there "ruining" this forum than me. If you bothered to actually LISTEN TO ME instead of trying to flame, insult, and try to destroy me on some hellbent "crusade", you would see I am no villan, and that you are wasting your time.
Your insensitive post in that one thread is evidence enough. Also, I don't see how RoP is trying to be a "hero" when you are clearly the one with the superiority complex. Need proof? Read your last sentence on the above quote.

Now you must realize, Seraph_Knight, that I have nothing against you. However, I would like you to stop bringing Peter Giannopoulos's death up as a means of argument, not to mention flaming. Thank you very much.

[Seraph_Knight]

*sigh* I give up. Play whatever role you want. I'm done bagning my head into the figuritive brick wall on this, trying to get you to understand.

[Neo]

Stop taking my comments as personal... It was a general. If everyone acted less like smartasses the world would be so wonderful /end cheesiness.

-Neo

[Schwitzer]

In any case, I would'nt suggest you trying to get [Xenon] "modded". First of all, he is a freind of a Mod here, (I believe Schwitzer), So don't count on him going anywhere as long as he is protected by his freind.
Excuse me, but last time I checked you were in fact the one publicly recognised as being extremely biased on this issue due to friendship. In case you weren't aware, I've maintained all along that both sides had an input into how the situation developed.

At any rate, I believe the issue at hand (Protosschick and Xenon, for those who forgot) is essentially resolved. I'm sure the two can sort out any remaining differences maturely via PM.

Not to earn myself a reputation for mass thread closing, but I can already see this train flying off the tracks and I don't like the chasm ahead of it. It feels like there's going to be more political issues arising before too long.