Back for a moment, and dearly pissed

[ShadowGonissa]

I decided to take a visit to Warboards today, and I am sorely, deeply pissed off. Not so much angry as disappointed. This is my second complaint, and I barely post here.

Back at Blizzforums, I thought that the whole Xenon ordeal was kinda ridiculous. Just because he wanted to buy the forums a bunch of people spammed in rebellion. After much confusion, Xenon was forced away. I didn't realize that the problem lay deeper than just a rumor of buying and selling, though I should have when I heard that he called Mordecai2k an f-ing Jew.

Plain and simple, Xenon is a jerk, and I didn't see it because I barely knew him then. But now I see his hatred, which comes from a troubled past, so it seems.

I looked at a thread my friend Protosschick made and read what happened there. She was relating a really weird guy problem, and all of a sudden Xenon accuses her of being brainwashed and following a cult. Did a moderator speak up? no. Only one bothered to post, Schwitzer, who closed the thread. Rightly so, but he wrote off the entire argument on a conflict between Christianity and Xenon's choices.

Why didn't he see the personal attack? Why hasn't Xenon been at the very least warned about his actions? Did any of the mods grow even slightly concerned at all the posts Protosschick reported? Bah, if you merely say the name Jesus, are you readily ignored by moderators when accused?

I ask for answers, greatly disappointed, extremely pissed.

[Eros]

I'm sorry to say it girl, but welcome to the Internet.

[bluemicrobyte]

I decided to take a visit to Warboards today, and I am sorely, deeply pissed off. Not so much angry as disappointed. This is my second complaint, and I barely post here.

Back at Blizzforums, I thought that the whole Xenon ordeal was kinda ridiculous. Just because he wanted to buy the forums a bunch of people spammed in rebellion. After much confusion, Xenon was forced away. I didn't realize that the problem lay deeper than just a rumor of buying and selling, though I should have when I heard that he called Mordecai2k an f-ing Jew.

Plain and simple, Xenon is a jerk, and I didn't see it because I barely knew him then. But now I see his hatred, which comes from a troubled past, so it seems.

I looked at a thread my friend Protosschick made and read what happened there. She was relating a really weird guy problem, and all of a sudden Xenon accuses her of being brainwashed and following a cult. Did a moderator speak up? no. Only one bothered to post, Schwitzer, who closed the thread. Rightly so, but he wrote off the entire argument on a conflict between Christianity and Xenon's choices.

Why didn't he see the personal attack? Why hasn't Xenon been at the very least warned about his actions? Did any of the mods grow even slightly concerned at all the posts Protosschick reported? Bah, if you merely say the name Jesus, are you readily ignored by moderators when accused?

I ask for answers, greatly disappointed, extremely pissed.There are other instances of zenon exploding inappropriately, though I wont mention any specific ones here

/signs

Is there a witness prtection program at warboards? *hopes xeonon isnt watching*

[Xenon]

I decided to take a visit to Warboards today, and I am sorely, deeply pissed off. Not so much angry as disappointed. This is my second complaint, and I barely post here.
Why ruin a good streak? If you barely post here, please, continue as usual.

I looked at a thread my friend Protosschick made and read what happened there.
I guess that says it all then, doesn't it? I like that in friends though. Loyalty. It's a good character trait.

I didn't realize that the problem lay deeper than just a rumor of buying and selling, though I should have when I heard that he called Mordecai2k an f-ing Jew.
More rumors and hearsay? Nice.

Plain and simple, Xenon is a jerk, and I didn't see it because I barely knew him then. But now I see his hatred, which comes from a troubled past, so it seems.
Who's making personal insults? What's this? The pot calling the kettle black? Don't worry. I'm not going to whine about it. My skin is thicker than that. You err though if you think my past troubles me. I am proud of my past, and proud of myself, thank you very much.

Why didn't he see the personal attack? Why hasn't Xenon been at the very least warned about his actions? Did any of the mods grow even slightly concerned at all the posts Protosschick reported? Bah, if you merely say the name Jesus, are you readily ignored by moderators when accused?
Maybe because they were observations and opinions, and not attacks? Why is it that the very people who claim to follow the teachings of Christ are the first ones to throw them out the window whenever someone makes an observation or comment which reflects negatively on their religion? Didn't Jesus say; "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." (Matthew 5:11,12) ?? Didn't he also say; "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?"(Matthew 5:43-47)

I personally have a lot of respect for the way ProtossChick99 has dealt with the whole situation. She even offered to pray for me, to make me her prayer of the day or whatever... even if my own opinion is that she is somewhat naive and brainwashed, at least she's really actually trying to follow her religion. That counts for something with me. The rest of you (most anyway) just seem to pay lip-service to your chosen religion. I respect PC99 for her guts and her conviction. Of course people argue about religion. Of course sometimes people take things personally. So what? I don't have any actual animosity towards anyone. I just enjoy a good debate. It sharpens the mind. It excercizes your brain. It makes you think. If anyone can prove me wrong to my satisfaction, I am open minded enough to change my opinions. Can you say the same about yourself?

So yeah SG. Welcome to the bandwagon. Mind your step now.

[BSTRhino]

I apologise on behalf of the moderators for not taking responsible action to the fullest extent.

At the moment, Xenon and Protosschick, I don't really know how to define the problem. So we first need to work out what's going on. The way I see it is, Protosschick and Xenon, you're both not afraid to be yourselves, and to defend what you believe in. I would also say that you both respect each other, even though you disagree. Do you both think that is an accurate description of yourselves?

Protosschick, I believe you reported Xenon's posts. Let's go from there. Xenon, why do you think Protosschick might've been reporting your posts? What we're trying to do is work out the situation, so try to make your response short, and make it (relatively) factual, that is, don't lay blame.

[dunchy]

I decided to take a visit to Warboards today, and I am sorely, deeply pissed off. Not so much angry as disappointed. This is my second complaint, and I barely post here.

Back at Blizzforums, I thought that the whole Xenon ordeal was kinda ridiculous. Just because he wanted to buy the forums a bunch of people spammed in rebellion. After much confusion, Xenon was forced away. I didn't realize that the problem lay deeper than just a rumor of buying and selling, though I should have when I heard that he called Mordecai2k an f-ing Jew.

Plain and simple, Xenon is a jerk, and I didn't see it because I barely knew him then. But now I see his hatred, which comes from a troubled past, so it seems.

I looked at a thread my friend Protosschick made and read what happened there. She was relating a really weird guy problem, and all of a sudden Xenon accuses her of being brainwashed and following a cult. Did a moderator speak up? no. Only one bothered to post, Schwitzer, who closed the thread. Rightly so, but he wrote off the entire argument on a conflict between Christianity and Xenon's choices.

Why didn't he see the personal attack? Why hasn't Xenon been at the very least warned about his actions? Did any of the mods grow even slightly concerned at all the posts Protosschick reported? Bah, if you merely say the name Jesus, are you readily ignored by moderators when accused?

I ask for answers, greatly disappointed, extremely pissed.

I'm glad you talked from the heart, I will answer your questions if I will answer mine.

I thought to myself when you said you decided to visit WB, which is great, but I wonder if you decided to come on your own free will, or did someone tell you what's been going on and give you a backstory? Did you just decide to come without hearing anything? Or have you been told what's going on and then decided to come and post?

When Xenon called Mordecai2k what he did, in a way it's understandable. Remember that day, how many threads after threads after threads were made by people that really didn't know a thing? Name calling, those infamous Nazi symbols popping up, other admins getting delusions and grandeur, of course swearing and anger is going to happen. Would you think that after 50 effin threads Xenon would still be considerate? I'd sure as hell blow at that point.

So, a really weird guy problem thread springs up? Sorry, but when I'm working full time, going to the gym 2 hours a day, tanning, driving, working on my car, hanging out with real life friends, helping out with FPS and Halo forums, the annoying GUY problems doens't really make me all that excited to click and read. Sorry to hear that things may have gotten out of control in that area, I am indeed, but you gotta realize I'm not paid and my time is limited, so I have to decide which threads and forums I can frequent. I hope that makes sense to ya because there's no real other way I can explaign that part.

Now who says Xenon hasen't been talked to before? I have before on matters that I thought were a tad over the line, but I didn't go blowing my horn in front of everyone to see in font. I politely talked to him via PM and everything wasen't flame wars, angry grown men shouting back and forth!

It was a great conversation, with jokes and understanding on both sides. I try to show maturity on my side when I talk to people on PM, I generally find that others will do the same to me. I've received two now that Geno reported, and I've posted my reply to one, with understanding how both sides felt on the issue. The second I had 45% typed up, but I had to wake up at 4:30AM in the morning to prepare for my s*itty ass job and so I didn't have the mental energy or focus to make a decent enough post.

It's not allways easy to be a moderator when you've got a full time 24/7 life to devote to first. All the moderators here try their hardest. Xenon also has his facts straight about a good number of issues, it's when others take what he says to the extreme, post an arguement instead of a polite "What do you mean?" PM and throws it in everyone's face. Lots of gasoline on a small campfire.

Hopefully that helps, any other questions?

[Spartan-II]

Dunchy, the lone voice of reason. (best heard actually... xD) Name calling, those infamous Nazi symbols popping up, other admins getting delusions and grandeur, of course swearing and anger is going to happen. And its called a suavastika (Or if you cant pronounce it how the Germans say it)
Swastika.
(Sorry if I appeared pompous and such..)

[Xenon]

BSTRhino: I respect PC99... I don't agree with her on everything, but I have a lot of respect for her actually. I can be sarcastic sometimes, and I also forget that not everyone has as thick a skin as I do for certain kinds of taunts and jabs. But I respect her as a person to the nth degree. People need to understand that just because I don't agree with their opinion on something doesn't mean that I despise them as a person. It just means that I don't agree with them.

I think all of us have disagreed with someone we liked or even loved (sorry PC99, I don't love you... but you'll find someone some day.... don't forget, for every mop, there's a dirty floor waiting to be cleaned.) but that doesn't mean we stopped liking them or loving them does it? Haven't you disagreed intensely with your own parents or siblings in the past? I sure as hell have.

Dunchy: I wonder how many people could avoid problems by simply PMing the person they have a problem with? I don't mean PMing someone and shouting at them right off the bat, or doing a shitload of flaming. I mean simply speaking to the other person away from and outside the scope of whatever petty argument they may be having.

I guess I have a different idea than some people about what makes for a good forum. In my opinion, a good forum is one where everyone is free to say just about anything they want to anyone else they want to. I like to argue; no, ammend that, I love to argue. Arguing keeps you sharp. It forces you to use logic and mental effort to try and persuade the other side and the audience which may be on the fence.

I argue like hell with many of my closest friends. People like SeigeTank and Kaervek know what I am talking about.

[OboeGuru]

I'm nowhere near as eloquent as dunchy, but I do have a few things to say.
First: Why didn't you just take that whole post and send it to an admin as a PM? The general forum population will be of absolutely zero help to you on this matter, and if I may speak quite bluntly, is it really proper to be creating a thread singling out and flaming a member in response to [what you perceive as] him doing the same?

Now, onto matters at hand...
I decided to take a visit to Warboards today, and I am sorely, deeply pissed off. Not so much angry as disappointed. This is my second complaint, and I barely post here.I'm sorry? Would you like us to magically read your mind and bring the forum atmosphere in line with your specific ideals? We have thousands of members to be thinking about keeping happy. If something makes a few member unhappy, it's regrettable, but ultimately a consequence of cirsumstances.

Plain and simple, Xenon is a jerk, and I didn't see it because I barely knew him then. But now I see his hatred, which comes from a troubled past, so it seems.

I looked at a thread my friend Protosschick made and read what happened there. She was relating a really weird guy problem, and all of a sudden Xenon accuses her of being brainwashed and following a cult. Did a moderator speak up? no. Only one bothered to post, Schwitzer, who closed the thread. Rightly so, but he wrote off the entire argument on a conflict between Christianity and Xenon's choices.

Why didn't he see the personal attack? Why hasn't Xenon been at the very least warned about his actions? Did any of the mods grow even slightly concerned at all the posts Protosschick reported? Bah, if you merely say the name Jesus, are you readily ignored by moderators when accused?

I ask for answers, greatly disappointed, extremely pissed.Now this is where things get a little tricky. You're a friend of PC, therefore you must share some of her beliefs at least, and no doubt also see her as being entirely innocent in the whole circumstance and that all problems lie on an outside party.
That's where the Staff steps in, as an unbiased third-party. Obviously, Xenon's views are the polar opposite of PC, but you refuse to take this into acoount. That is what we do, and have done. Xenon is merely posting in line with his beliefs, just as PC does. It just so happens that in your case, you don't like what he's saying, so he must be in the wrong.
On the Internet, you must realize that you will come across people that you will not see eye-to-eye with no matter how hard you might try, but this does not give you the right to be preaching what you hold to be true as the absolute truth. By all means, vocalize how you perceive the situation to a Staff member, and we will gladly take it into account. But publicly antagonized serves no purpose other than to escalate the situation.
Don't think we aren't sympathetic with PC and other Christians. We are. Just to both parties instead of one, like you are.

dunchy's absolutely right that Xenon does have his facts straight, and it's understandable that you may perceive him pushing those facts as antagonizing, but what he's doing is just being a strong believer. And whether you like it or not, many of the Christians here do the same thing. Again, it's regrettable that you have been offended in this incident, but we do have other people to look out for than a handful of fundamentalist/die-hard Christians.

The best answer any of us (or at least I) can really give is, "We're sorry, but this is life on the Internet. If you don't like what he has to say, don't read his posts."
I'm sorry if this isn't what you were looking for and if you don't like what I've said, but this is [honestly] everything I thought of upon reading your post.

On a side-note: By definition, Christianity is in fact a cult. It's just not a harmful one, like we commonly associate the word "cult" with.

[Xenon]

Actually, I would love for someone to prove me wrong to a point where I change my opinion. It doesn't happen often these days, but when it does it's quite the thrill. I like it, because it means I've learned something new, or come to a better understanding of something or someone I thougt I knew.

None of my opinions are written in stone, and I am interested in everyone's opinions. The only way to improve yourself in my opinion, is to remain open minded about everything and not think you have the absolute bottom line in your pocket. (Unless you do... then flaunt it like you just don't care!) ;)

EDIT: I think dunchy needs a break. Poor guy.
I'm glad you talked from the heart, I will answer your questions if I will answer mine.Just noticed that. haha! :P ROFLMAO! :alcoholic

[Schwitzer]

I decided to take a visit to Warboards today, and I am sorely, deeply pissed off. Not so much angry as disappointed. This is my second complaint, and I barely post here.
So you decided to make your return post a flamebait thread that personally attacks Xenon? That's not very smart now, is it?

Back at Blizzforums, I thought that the whole Xenon ordeal was kinda ridiculous.
It was. Unfortunately not many people know the full story about all that, but why get your facts straight when it's easier to just fill in the blanks with whatever sounds most exciting?

Plain and simple, Xenon is a jerk, and I didn't see it because I barely knew him then. But now I see his hatred, which comes from a troubled past, so it seems.
I think you should reread this sentence very carefully. In such a small phrase you've managed to combine flaming, gross assumption and speculation into one nasty little package. I hope this isn't the sort of example you want set for your idealised forum atmosphere.

I looked at a thread my friend Protosschick made and read what happened there.
Aah. I can see what's coming already. Not that there's anything wrong with loyalty to friends; it just means you're coming in already biased, before you even read anything.

She was relating a really weird guy problem, and all of a sudden Xenon accuses her of being brainwashed and following a cult.
Quite a bit more to it than that.

Did a moderator speak up? no. Only one bothered to post, Schwitzer, who closed the thread. Rightly so, but he wrote off the entire argument on a conflict between Christianity and Xenon's choices.
If you avoid making one mistake on the forum, it's putting words in my mouth. It leaves a bitter taste.

I don't think you've fully grasped what the situation was all about. At any rate, you're certainly not trying to see this from both sides. Xenon was questioning Protosschick's faith, and asking some damn good questions. Protosschick was getting upset because she regarded this as a personal attack.

If you pay close attention you might even see a post or two that has Xenon voicing genuine concern for Protosschick.

I know how upset Protosschick got. And by "upset", I mean outside the forums. Being the true neutral here, I took the best course of action I could. With no disrespect meant, you are neither neutral nor informed.

Why didn't he see the personal attack? Why hasn't Xenon been at the very least warned about his actions?
Just because I don't place my warnings as a flashing banner in the site's header does not mean they aren't given. dunchy has already explained this concept, so I won't repeat.

Did any of the mods grow even slightly concerned at all the posts Protosschick reported?
Although I don't receive reported posts for this forum, I was keeping an eye over the thread and closed it when it became apparent that it was reaching boiling point. If that is not your definition of concern than so be it.

Bah, if you merely say the name Jesus, are you readily ignored by moderators when accused?
Again with the putting words in my mouth. I really don't like it. Stop it.

I ask for answers, greatly disappointed, extremely pissed.
The answers are there if you calm down, step back and look at it all with an open mind.

I'm closing this thread. If my answers are somehow insufficient I suggest you contact me directly.