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Prozerran
11-23-2004, 10:53 AM
November 6th, 2004 6:53 pm
Evidence Mounts That The Vote May Have Been Hacked


by Thom Hartmann / Common Dreams

When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.

"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.

And evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004.

The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at
http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and noticed something startling.
While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios matched the Kerry/Bush vote, and so did the optically-scanned paper ballots in the larger counties, in Florida's smaller counties the results from the optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking - seem to have been reversed.

In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry.

In Dixie County, with 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush.

The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the smaller counties where, it was probably assumed, the small voter numbers wouldn't be much noticed. Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7% registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush.

Yet in the larger counties, where such anomalies would be more obvious to the news media, high percentages of registered Democrats equaled high percentages of votes for Kerry.

And, although elections officials didn't notice these anomalies, in aggregate they were enough to swing Florida from Kerry to Bush. If you simply go through the analysis of these counties and reverse the "anomalous" numbers in those counties that appear to have been hacked, suddenly the Florida election results resemble the Florida exit poll results: Kerry won, and won big.

Those exit poll results have been a problem for reporters ever since Election Day.

Election night, I'd been doing live election coverage for WDEV, one of the radio stations that carries my syndicated show, and, just after midnight, during the 12:20 a.m. Associated Press Radio News feed, I was startled to hear the reporter detail how Karen Hughes had earlier sat George W. Bush down to inform him that he'd lost the election. The exit polls were clear: Kerry was winning in a landslide. "Bush took the news stoically," noted the AP report.

But then the computers reported something different. In several pivotal states.

Conservatives see a conspiracy here: They think the exit polls were rigged.

Dick Morris, the infamous political consultant to the first Clinton campaign who became a Republican consultant and Fox News regular, wrote an article for The Hill, the publication read by every political junkie in Washington, DC, in which he made a couple of brilliant points.

"Exit Polls are almost never wrong," Morris wrote. "They eliminate the two major potential fallacies in survey research by correctly separating actual voters from those who pretend they will cast ballots but never do and by substituting actual observation for guesswork in judging the relative turnout of different parts of the state."

He added: "So, according to ABC-TVs exit polls, for example, Kerry was slated to carry Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and Iowa, all of which Bush carried. The only swing state the network had going to Bush was West Virginia, which the president won by 10 points."

Yet a few hours after the exit polls were showing a clear Kerry sweep, as the computerized vote numbers began to come in from the various states the election was called for Bush.

How could this happen?

On the CNBC TV show "Topic A With Tina Brown," several months ago, Howard Dean had filled in for Tina Brown as guest host. His guest was Bev Harris, the Seattle grandmother who started www.blackboxvoting.org (http://www.blackboxvoting.org/) from her living room. Bev pointed out that regardless of how votes were tabulated (other than hand counts, only done in odd places like small towns in Vermont), the real "counting" is done by computers. Be they Diebold Opti-Scan machines, which read paper ballots filled in by pencil or ink in the voter's hand, or the scanners that read punch cards, or the machines that simply record a touch of the screen, in all cases the final tally is sent to a "central tabulator" machine.

That central tabulator computer is a Windows-based PC.

"In a voting system," Harris explained to Dean on national television, "you have all the different voting machines at all the different polling places, sometimes, as in a county like mine, there's a thousand polling places in a single county. All those machines feed into the one machine so it can add up all the votes. So, of course, if you were going to do something you shouldn't to a voting machine, would it be more convenient to do it to each of the 4000 machines, or just come in here and deal with all of them at once?"

Dean nodded in rhetorical agreement, and Harris continued. "What surprises people is that the central tabulator is just a PC, like what you and I use. It's just a regular computer."

"So," Dean said, "anybody who can hack into a PC can hack into a central tabulator?"

Harris nodded affirmation, and pointed out how Diebold uses a program called GEMS, which fills the screen of the PC and effectively turns it into the central tabulator system. "This is the official program that the County Supervisor sees," she said, pointing to a PC that was sitting between them loaded with Diebold's software.

Bev then had Dean open the GEMS program to see the results of a test election. They went to the screen titled "Election Summary Report" and waited a moment while the PC "adds up all the votes from all the various precincts," and then saw that in this faux election Howard Dean had 1000 votes, Lex Luthor had 500, and Tiger Woods had none. Dean was winning.

"Of course, you can't tamper with this software," Harris noted. Diebold wrote a pretty good program.

But, it's running on a Windows PC.

So Harris had Dean close the Diebold GEMS software, go back to the normal Windows PC desktop, click on the "My Computer" icon, choose "Local Disk C:," open the folder titled GEMS, and open the sub-folder "LocalDB" which, Harris noted, "stands for local database, that's where they keep the votes." Harris then had Dean double-click on a file in that folder titled "Central Tabulator Votes," which caused the PC to open the vote count in a database program like Excel.

In the "Sum of the Candidates" row of numbers, she found that in one precinct Dean had received 800 votes and Lex Luthor had gotten 400.

"Let's just flip those," Harris said, as Dean cut and pasted the numbers from one cell into the other. "And," she added magnanimously, "let's give 100 votes to Tiger."

They closed the database, went back into the official GEMS software "the legitimate way, you're the county supervisor and you're checking on the progress of your election."

As the screen displayed the official voter tabulation, Harris said, "And you can see now that Howard Dean has only 500 votes, Lex Luthor has 900, and Tiger Woods has 100." Dean, the winner, was now the loser.

Harris sat up a bit straighter, smiled, and said, "We just edited an election, and it took us 90 seconds."

On live national television. (You can see the clip on www.votergate.tv (http://www.votergate.tv/))

Which brings us back to Morris and those pesky exit polls that had Karen Hughes telling George W. Bush that he'd lost the election in a landslide.

Morris's conspiracy theory is that the exit polls "were sabotage" to cause people in the western states to not bother voting for Bush, since the networks would call the election based on the exit polls for Kerry. But the networks didn't do that, and had never intended to. It makes far more sense that the exit polls were right - they weren't done on Diebold PCs - and that the vote itself was hacked.

And not only for the presidential candidate - Jeff Fisher thinks this hit him and pretty much every other Democratic candidate for national office in the most-hacked swing states.

So far, the only national "mainstream" media to come close to this story was Keith Olbermann on his show Friday night, November 5th, when he noted that it was curious that all the voting machine irregularities so far uncovered seem to favor Bush. In the meantime, the Washington Post and other media are now going through single-bullet-theory-like contortions to explain how the exit polls had failed.

But I agree with Fox's Dick Morris on this one, at least in large part. Wrapping up his story for The Hill, Morris wrote in his final paragraph, "This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the board as they were on election night. I suspect foul play."



Now, I don't want this to be a "bash Bush" thread. There is nothing indicating he had anything to do with what might be election fraud. If anyone has any thoughts on the Electronic Voting System and Bev Harris's demonstration of how that system can be tampered with, please feel free to comment. If you have any comments to make on the inconsistency of the exit polls in relation to the outcome of the election, I'd love to see those as well. Otherwise, I'd ask that you simply stay on topic. Thanks.

Geno
11-23-2004, 3:00 PM
Wow... Just watched the movie on that, and I had no idea... That's really freaking scary... To think, that in the future, my vote wouldn't be counted, because someone rigged it...

~Larry "Geno" Meyers
- RP Ambassador

Dark_Soul74
11-23-2004, 3:04 PM
thx Jeb!

singo
11-23-2004, 3:13 PM
well, I dont think the elections were rigged. No one could have gotten away with anything given the amount of lawyers watching that election.

I will admit it was possible, but electorial fraud is ALWAYS possible, it doesnt actually mean it happened and if it did, it was probably just an independant pro-bush hacker - no way would the man himself risk another term on such a risky gamble. especially given the consequences he would face if he was caught.

Seraph_Knight
11-23-2004, 6:45 PM
there is solid evidence that proves Jeb, Cousin of George W Bush, helped rig the 2000 election so Bush could win. I told you guys, there was nothing stopping those asshats from doing it again.

Neo
11-23-2004, 6:48 PM
I thought this was apparent in 2000?

Gore said something like he wouldnt pursue it becuase it wouldn't be good for the nation or some such.

-Neo

peace_machine
11-23-2004, 7:56 PM
Stick with good old pen and paper, then all you have to worry about is the flamability.

Surley if there is any concern about the system being hacked it will be looked into more closley? Somebody is obviousley verry naughty and deservs a good spanking!

Schwitzer
11-23-2004, 9:34 PM
As massive as all the conspiracy theories from the last election are, why aren't the media or independent investigatings tearing through this? I don't live in America, but from what I've seen there's not too much fuss being kicked up about all this.

GrassDragon
11-24-2004, 12:08 AM
Yeah, this is the first I've heard about these claims so I don't think they're getting hyped up much.

No real opinion on this, doesn't matter much because we've got the president we've got.

OboeGuru
11-24-2004, 12:44 AM
I'm sure the reason is that the media doesn't want to be censured (which the gov't can do) in the event that the accusations are proved false.
Plus, the major networks are, for the most part, conservative. They like Bush. You should've seen FOX News' coverage of the election. They predicted states going for Bush hours before other networks did.

"Fear will keep the local systems in line." - This loosely applies. The media is afraid of what will happen to them if the conspiracy theory is wrong.

That's what I think at least.

GrassDragon
11-24-2004, 1:48 AM
Plus, the major networks are, for the most part, conservative.
I would disagree with this. I think, with the exception of FOX which is obviously conservative, that the major news networks are pretty liberal.

TheGreatBrain
11-24-2004, 1:05 PM
Stick with good old pen and paper, then all you have to worry about is the flamability.Yeah, and fatigued ballot counters marking down your vote wrong.

I guess there really is no perfect solution.

Seraph_Knight
11-25-2004, 10:42 AM
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Garrec
11-25-2004, 3:48 PM
Hmmm.... anyone seeing dictatorships and communism as less fraudulent and corrupt than America's democracy? I mean, sure, those types of governments have a bad reputation for being led by evil and greedy dictators, but when you stick with those goverment types, you know what you're going to get. You don't get false hopes thinking that you might make a difference in your country, because for America, it seems there's no real proof that your vote was even counted. It seems like polling computers and reporters could have been hacked or modified. Tampering could probably easily be done by both parties, or just independent hackers trying to mess things up.

Of course the government probably has complete control over the media to mask anything that's going on. It's roughly analogous to brainwashing. But that's just my opinion, and I don't have any sources for my claims. Oh well. Sometime it helps to just look at things in a different perspective.

Seraph_Knight
11-25-2004, 6:16 PM
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Schwitzer
11-27-2004, 12:43 AM
For all we know the Taliban hacked the votes so they could get that idiot to run America into the ground.

That said, I congratulate you all on re-electing Bush. The Australian dollar hasn't been this high against the American for decades.

Neo
11-27-2004, 1:28 AM
http://www.michaelmoore.com/

I am pretty sure Moore is just fine.

Seriously the lack of attention people pay to certain topics is scary. Then agian I wasn't raised to be blindly patriotic, or for that matter, 'blindly anything'

I tend to question tons of things... xD

-Neo

Mattimeo
11-27-2004, 9:30 PM
I thought this was apparent in 2000?

Gore said something like he wouldnt pursue it becuase it wouldn't be good for the nation or some such.

-Neo

Yeah, Gore decided what he was doing was bad for the country.... After whining about it for over a month. He didn't shut up until the Supreme Court shut him up. Sheesh.

Anyway, Fox News was the last network to call Flordia for George Bush after all the greif the liberal media gave them for "prematurely" calling Florida for George Bush even though every single network called Florida for Al Gore almost imediately after the polls closed. They then called Ohio with 95% of the vote in based on solid evidence and common sense. This doesn't deserve coverage because it's just a bunch of whackos pushing their nut-job conspiracy theories. The idea that the national election could be rigged and nobody being able to prove it is preposterous.

~Don't Panic