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This is the best game I have ever seen. TvZ, lost temple. Zerg must have made some huge mistakes becase he outnumbered T like 5 to 1 bases and then lost. But that isn't the best part... you HAVE to see this replay. And of course, this wasn't me... my apm is (EDIT: not) 200+... T-T
Cpt.Chronic
11-22-2004, 12:41 PM
Who vs who?
Zerg does too late tech, thats why. + hydra & lurk work weakly with dark swarm. Besides, if look at other games, it is many times on the same situation, just earlier in the game.
thefazant
11-22-2004, 5:37 PM
i didnt watch the game, but defiler+lurk >>>> terran, only counter to this is vessels with irradiate, no other terran unit is able to hurt a lurk under ds (the first one to say firebat should never play this game again)
Seraph_Knight
11-22-2004, 7:41 PM
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Who vs who?
Stopbog vs TheIMZergMST
Actually, siege tanks will own anything on the ground. Whether or not it is under dark swarm will not matter. Not to mention, any air units can move in and chase away detector units so a ghost can land a nuke. Allow me to view this replay, and i will give my comment on it.
No one i know actually builds nukes, especially not for one dark swarm. And siege tanks can't attack under dark swarm i beleive.
Seraph_Knight
11-22-2004, 8:34 PM
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skeet
11-22-2004, 10:52 PM
Was t he tank itself darkswarmed or the lurker?
Who did not say lurk + def own terran? When hydra + def+ lurk, hydralisks wont really do any damage, and with that amount of vessels... AND that terran is no noob, by my estimation, so he will just back up and all defilers + hydra of siege tank and lurkers are being left. zergling lurk or ultra lurk zergling etc. do work, not hydr + lurk with dark swarm...
thefazant
11-23-2004, 6:39 AM
no youre wrong, def-lurk owns terran, tanks CANNOT hurt burrowed lurks under dark swarm, the zerg will just push forward with swarm-lurks into the terrans nat or min only.
... Pls, watch the rep and you will see. The Z wasnt extremely good with defilers, so he cant make all the time it, terrans just ran away a bit, and again tanks shoot, maybe not lurks, maybe not defilers, but certainly the hydralisks died. That leaves lurks & def totally under sci vessels foot. (T had like 8 of 'em..)
thefazant
11-23-2004, 11:26 AM
i wasnt talking about the replay, i was talking about in general and i never mentioned hydras, if you keep youre scourging up during the game so the terran cant mass too many vessels, then def-lurk is an incredibly powerfull strat, you can basically shut down his mining with it.
no youre wrong, def-lurk owns terran, tanks CANNOT hurt burrowed lurks under dark swarm, the zerg will just push forward with swarm-lurks into the terrans nat or min only.
Tanks can hurt lurkers, but only with splash. So if there is only one lurker, tanks can't hurt it, but if there are two next to each other, on of them will die because of splash.
Cpt.Chronic
11-23-2004, 4:08 PM
Tanks can hurt lurkers, but only with splash. So if there is only one lurker, tanks can't hurt it, but if there are two next to each other, on of them will die because of splash. I think they actually have to be burried on top of each other, not just next to each other for the splash to take effect.
Seraph_Knight
11-23-2004, 6:38 PM
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Cpt.Chronic
11-23-2004, 7:48 PM
Seraph, I swear, you are so annoying. You pretend to know what you're talking about even though in reality you completely suck at this game and have absolutely no clue how this game is played at a competitive level. Burrowed units (i.e. lurkers) are completely protected by darkswarm, unless they burrow on top of each other or have something like hydras standing on top of them-- then, and only then, will they receive splash damage. So if you throw up a dark swarm and run in 5 lurks and burrow them all at the same time, they will only take the splash damage as they are above ground, not once they burrow. However, if you run 3 lurks in, burrow them, then send 2 more in and burrow them on top of the first 3, then you could start seeing some lurks die to splash damage.
skeet
11-23-2004, 10:31 PM
Fazant, you dumbass. Watch the replay and you will see it for yourself! Even try it out! Play a game against the computer as zerg with terran opponent. Use cheat codes if you need to, or whatever, to get some defiler with dark swarm, then at about 7 minutes, attack the terran base. The seige tanks will destroy ground units under the dark swarm. Even I, someone who has not played SC since june, and even then, only UMS maps, knows this. And you call yourself good at SC. If you really were an expert, then you would have played at least SOME games as terran versus zerg with defilers and darkswarm invovled. You would clearly see, that being under darkswarm does not offer the protection you would think against the Arclite Shock Cannon.
You shouldn't be calling people dumbasses when you dont know what your talking about. A tank can't damage a lurker under dark swarm, maybe with splash but other than that it can't. You said yourself you know nothing about starcraft.
thefazant
11-24-2004, 6:44 AM
nope, it cant even damage it with splash damage, you can have 54654564 tanks firing at a burrowed lurk in dark swarm and it will take 0 damage
Basan
11-24-2004, 10:16 AM
This is 1 of the few times I agree with y'a, Fazant.
Only melee units do damage under D.Swarms.
Edit: Lurkers are 1 of the few exceptions, though. ;)
thefazant
11-24-2004, 10:36 AM
youre wrong, siege tanks can damage normal units with their splash, but they cannot hurt burrowed lurkers.
other units that can hurt units under swarm besides melee, tanks (splash) and lurks (full hit) are archons (only splash, no direct hit) and reavers (full hit).
mining units cannot hurt units under swarm.
youre wrong, siege tanks can damage normal units with their splash, but they cannot hurt burrowed lurkers.
other units that can hurt units under swarm besides melee, tanks (splash) and lurks (full hit) are archons (only splash, no direct hit) and reavers (full hit).
mining units cannot hurt units under swarm. I know what I'm talkin'. I assumed he talked 'bout sieged Tanks... or am I wrong? :rolleyes:
Why u recalled the workers 2 the subject? They won't get used that often in those scenarios.
See my reply here (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=4575&page=4&pp=10) on a similar matter, from this page onwards.
nope, it cant even damage it with splash damage, you can have 54654564 tanks firing at a burrowed lurk in dark swarm and it will take 0 damage
okay. i wasn't completely sure, and that makes seraph even more wrong.
Seraph_Knight
11-25-2004, 11:19 AM
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thefazant
11-25-2004, 12:52 PM
SIEGE TANK SPLASH NEVER HURTS LURKS UNDER DARKSWARM, no not even when alot of them are burrowed pretty close together, if you burrow all youre lurks at once there will never be a situation where two lurks are burrowed partially on top of eachother.
i will repeat this one last time.
IN A REALISTIC GAME SITUATION TANK SPLASH WILL NEVER HURT BURROWED LURKS THAT ARE UNDER DARKSWARM.
do you understand it now?
i have no problem with you sucking completely at this game, but i do hate it when you try and pretend like you actually know smth.
you remember the two links i posted?
the ladder links?
go to www.wgtour.com, register, go to channel brood war wgtour-1 on europe, ask someone for a game.
youll soon notice that you will never ever win a game there.
you are completely clueless on how this game is played, learn how to live with it, and if you wouldnt be so freaking stubborn you might learn smth from people that are 6546547654 times better then you.
you and me can play 100 times, and you wouldnt win once.
I supose this last post isn't meant 2 me... :confused:
But it would be a lot clearer 4 folks 'round here if u used the quote feature more often, Fazant. ;)
thefazant
11-25-2004, 8:08 PM
the same goes for you, if you would play me 100 times, you wouldnt win once.
A flame fest. Goody, goody! Have it ur way... :P
Even after all this time 'round u haven't learned the meaning of tolerance (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=tolerance). If I wanted 2 play in B.Net (or even could), I'd simply go there. Gettin' my ass wooped or not isn't a great deal 2 me, so ur provocation is so... :lame:
Get a life, will y'a? :shiftyl: I've got better things 2 do than 'cussing pointless stuff with ya... again!
Basan: doesn't it take longer to type like this :confused: all th' :shiftyr: time?
thefazant: yeah, I was wrong about splash. Maybe splash would work if you gayly position them all on top of each other, but even then I doubt it because iradiate doesn't work ever for me. I'm just used to hearing lings pop I guess, and said that splash would hurt lurks without testing it.
Spartan-II
11-28-2004, 10:20 PM
*sigh* Then How come on the UMS map: Impossible Scenarios, I make a dark swarm with my defiler eat a ling and run the 'filer under to make another swarm my defiler dies to 4 siege tanks? And you can dodge Lurker attacks.
thefazant
11-29-2004, 6:27 AM
fuck, are you retarded or smth?
tank splash can hurt normal non-burrowed units but it cant hurt burrowed lurks.
Basan: doesn't it take longer to type like this :confused: all th' :shiftyr: time? What's ur point afterall? :o
If that's another "the way I post" flame idea, get ur concepts a little tweaking 1st... :rolleyes:
MidnightGladius
12-04-2004, 8:21 PM
You know, we're getting awfully off-topic here...
jackass111990
12-05-2004, 1:01 PM
heh yea i noticed i dont even no wat theyre talking about anymore
soljax
12-12-2004, 12:29 AM
This replay demonstrates everything about why terran are overpowered vs zerg.
A less skilled player won using the same lameass strat the whole game.
Schwitzer
12-12-2004, 3:18 AM
Actually, I'm inclined to say that the Terran player was more skilled than the Zerg. I'm not saying this because the Terran won, I'm saying it because I watched the replay and noted how both players played.
A less skilled player won using the same lameass strat the whole game.
Um... as opposed to Hydra-Lurk all game, doing drops wherever he can?!
The Zerg never did overpower the terran. I watched it long ago, so i dont really remember what happened... hmh.. must check my earlier newspost...
Ahh.. yes.. Zerg did by that time just have too late tech, and should not have wasted his units, just Expand alot and make ultras as fast as possible. There also was that hydra + lurk dont work too well with swarm, zergling + lurk or ultra maybe, but not really hydra lurk. Why? well... lurks work fine, but siege tanks with the amount that terran had them, will shoot the hydras easily. Then, lurkers alone, wont stand much of a chance, since dark swarm runs out, and if lurkers unburrow themselves, they will be shot. Marines can just run a bit away from the spikes. With my estimation, the zerg and terran were pretty equal. Zerg just made simple mistake, which spoiled his game.
Not all of this may be perfectly true, but this is what I remember from the game...
This game, in my opinion, is far most best zvt I've ever seen.
Cpt.Chronic
12-13-2004, 2:53 PM
This game, in my opinion, is far most best zvt I've ever seen.
Is this the game where Boxer elevators his m&m into the zerg main and just micro's the shit out of the lurks? If not, I gotta see this cause that's the only Boxer vs Blackman I've seen. If so, then it's not the best ZvT by any mains, just Boxer raping Blackman with impeccable micro.
This rep is almost one hour long... Would it be propably my best zvt I've seen if its like 20 mins? or less.
Shroom_Freak
12-14-2004, 9:21 AM
haha, the view's on 666
Schwitzer
12-14-2004, 10:10 AM
This game, in my opinion, is far most best zvt I've ever seen.
Whoa... that was awesome. A very balls-to-the-walls match on both sides. Until the end, it really could've gone either way, I reckon.
I was surprised Blackman didn't get Defilers earlier, but that doesn't discount from the fact that I was blown away by the playing of both sides. An excellent replay, I agree.
Is this the game where Boxer elevators his m&m into the zerg main and just micro's the shit out of the lurks?
Nope, but I haven't seen that one, so please attach it.
haha, the view's on 666
What? Did you really need to post that crap?
Heh, You guys just WANT to see this pvt ;) I promise it wont dissapoint you in any way :D Definately best tvp I've EVER seen
Cpt.Chronic
12-15-2004, 9:34 AM
Nope, but I haven't seen that one, so please attach it.
I think it's the one with the underscore, but I'm not entirely sure so I just uploaded both vs Blackman games that I had.
Hmm well that second one is the same size as the one ahhz uploaded so it's probably the same one.
Schwitzer
12-15-2004, 12:13 PM
Aah, more replays to watch. Cheers guys!
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