Close quarters: Shotgun vr. Sword.

[dunchy]

Well, now that Halo 2 is out the Covanent have a new close range *new as in you can weild* weapon, the Energy Sword. It's basically the short range counterpart to the shotgun. Both weapons are still 1 hit kills (albeit you must lock-on with the sword) But the question, this applies moreso for multiplayer people, which is more effective. Personally, I'm still finding the shotgun more effective. When 1 player has the sword, they become a large target, compared to the shotgun which most players can't tell which gun is which until you start shooting away. The shotgun has a smidge more range, so if another player is backpedaling, you can at least hit that player with the shotgun and get in some hits. In my times, I've also found that when a Sword carrier is coming straight for me, I can fire at *just* the right time to kill them, as soon as the Lunge starts. Takes practice but it works very well.

So my vote is for the Shotgun, which do you find is better for multiplayer, and why?

(But I will say that the Energy sword is much cooler than the Shotgun, and better for the single-player campaign).

[Dark_Soul74]

I'd say sword, since it takes longer to kill the shields with the shotgun.

[Forerunner]

still, a shotgun destroys people. I dont like how it's now slower to load it though :(

[IceFlare]

I find the Sword better because after 3hrs of multiplayer fragging swords onli on Blood Gulch 2 (forgot the name) to 100 kills... I think ive mastered it. Its all about the jumping and timing. You jump into the air and lunge. However the shotgun has range even though its not 1hit ko from even mid range.

[Moser]

Sword, deffinatly. 1 hit K.O. Shotgun takes 2. 'nuff said.

As for becoming a large target, thats why you switch weapons and only use the sword when you have the chance. If people see you running around with it then you DO become the biggest target in the game.

[IceFlare]

Shotgun is 1hit ko if ur upclose just like sword

[dunchy]

Sword, deffinatly. 1 hit K.O. Shotgun takes 2. 'nuff said.

As for becoming a large target, thats why you switch weapons and only use the sword when you have the chance. If people see you running around with it then you DO become the biggest target in the game.

The biggest problem with that, switching weapons is the time it takes to activate the sword, it's about 1/3 to 1/2 of a second. Playing Pro's you'll find a sword holder, they will often change at you without strafing in order to get in range of the lunge attack. When the charge happens, I generally backpedal pretty big, after a moment of backpedal *depending on the range mind you* the sword holder will allways switch to the sword. Trapped and dead.

I've never had the shotgun take 2 kills unless your farther away, just when the targeting goes red, a bit closer and aim for the chest and you'll do just fine with the 1 hit kills. Happens everytime with me :)

Oh how I wish X-box live was free.

[Moser]

I've never gotten a 1 shot kill with a shotgun, no matter how close I am. It's odd. I can be standing right in front of them aim at their head and take a shot and they don't die.

X-Box live basically is free. Well, not exactly, but its extremely cheap. $50 for 12 months. Nice.

[IceFlare]

duh shotgun always aim for body.

[dunchy]

duh shotgun always aim for body.

Well I used to aim for the crotch :P

[Battlecruiser]

Sword is really good if you want to kill lots of people very fast. I sometimes do that if the other team pisses me off. So then I get like running riots and rampages, using the sword. But then EVERYONE on their team hates you and tries to kill you so bad. Also they want they sword too. So you have to watch out, and not let anyone kill you. I use the shotgun a little more because it is more available. But in total kills, I have gotten much more sword kills than shotgun kills.

And Dunchy, if money is the concern for you for getting xbox live, atleast use the 2 months free thing. Then buy the year subscription.

[dunchy]

And Dunchy, if money is the concern for you for getting xbox live, atleast use the 2 months free thing. Then buy the year subscription.

You could say the same thing about crack, "first ones free, find me when you need more" I don't want to get addicted.

[singo]

Well I used to aim for the crotch :P
nah,. the crotch is for duel SMG's

the recoils strafes their entire body :P


personally i like the sword, because to get an instant KO with the shotgun you need to hit them square in the chest from about 3 feet away whereas the sword lunge has the same approximate range AND looks so much cooler (and you dont need to hit them square (if the cross-hair is red then it doesnt matter if you get their foot or face :P)

on single player the sword rocks even more, except against hunters (if you get close to THEM then its too late for your equipment to save you)

and yes the ending does suck...but that sergeant is so fricking cool

[ZeroDarkStar]

Unless they see me first, the Sword will destroy the Shotgun.

One, there is no way to *block* the lunge attack. I suppose if you get lucky and happen to fire at the exact moment when the person lunges, then you could block it, but alas, the lunge is basically a free kill. Also, dunchy, a bug with the Sword activation animation makes it so that the Sword doesn't acutally have to look like its activated (I.E., the large blade has expanded from the handle) to retain it's properties. In other words, you can kill someone within miliseconds of pulling out the Sword without going through the activation animation.

[Spartan-II]

I personally prefer the sword. My main reason is I like to look really cool and the sword is just awesome. Me and my friends had an all Sword match On Ivory Tower and Ascension, and I owned them badly. I had like 25 kills to 13 and had been killed twice.

[IceFlare]

actually there is kind of a way to stop sword. its to dodge. if you have master dodging technique or the other guy is just a bad aimmer you can get away. there is also a way to attack twice in a shorter period of time than normal for a sword. a combination of the lunge and pressing b

[singo]

yes, but the best defence is still to find the man with the sword and put a snipers bullet through his skull :P

not exactly CQB but still effective

[Raging-Fury]

the swords jump makes it better, u can reach a second level by jumping with the sword after lockon from below even after a start jump, its like jump, midair, lockon, attack, airjump, kill, land on higher area

[Cpt.Chronic]

The sword wins for 1 main reason- no reload time.

You can go into a small room with three ppl and take them all out before they know what hit 'em. With a shotgun, you'll only get one before the other two kill you because you're reloading as they're unloading.

[IceFlare]

the shotgun has 12 shots before it has 2 reload.. lets hope you can kill 3 ppl with 12 shotgun shots in a small room. a sword can onli attack 10 times before it becomes useless.

[ZeroDarkStar]

IceFlare: He was talking about the time it takes to pump the shotgun. And, in Multiplayer, the Sword never runs out of power.

[IceFlare]

o.... in that case.... =) still the sword still pwns all with its flashy light thingamjig and ghiosfhgjkf sound when u activate it. =)

[Cross_Fire]

The sword is pretty rocken, for me its preferable to the shotgun if your fighting more then 3 ppl that are close together. I kinda lost favor for the shotgun, when bungie made its reload time slower.

OT:

Has anybody ever notice how the sword can accidentaly set off grenades when activated? I was playin online, and killed some guy with the sword, when he died he droped like 3 frag grenades, suddenly they all go boom! Needless to say that was a very confusing situation.

[tb473]

I'ma gonna have to vote for the Shotgun. I always have crappy luck with CQ weapons, but the Shotgun is like my baby nowadays. I can take out anyone (I've taken vehicles with solo Shotgun a (+ grenades)) with it, and as long as the Sword guy doesn't come crawling behind my back at an extremely slow rate, I can take him.

[singo]

a sword can onli attack 10 times before it becomes useless.
not in MP it doesnt and besides - you DIDNT enjoy whomping elites with a sword handle??