Halo 2 plot twist

[Spartan-II]

I think i have an idea for the Halo 2 plot twist, at the very end after beating it, at the very end of the credits it shows Guilty spark flying away from halo! Coincidence, I think not. Gimme you ideas on this.

[Battlecruiser]

I think i have an idea for the Halo 2 plot twist, at the very end after beating it, at the very end of the credits it shows Guilty spark flying away from halo! Coincidence, I think not. Gimme you ideas on this.
Well, Halo just got destroyed. Either he dies with the destruction of Halo, or he leaves.

[Forerunner]

hhmmm... how original?

[henrywonderchimp]

I think it'll have something to do with whoever created Halo and the Flood. I think they have something to do with the Covenant too. But it's just a guess, and I'm sure what they've come up with is better than mine.

[Forerunner]

I think it'll have something to do with whoever created Halo and the Flood. I think they have something to do with the Covenant too. But it's just a guess, and I'm sure what they've come up with is better than mine.
Gee, I wonder if there's a name for that ancient race...

[henrywonderchimp]

Hmm...


am i missing something here, or is there any particular reason for the hint of sarcasm?

[Battlecruiser]

Hmm...


am i missing something here, or is there any particular reason for the hint of sarcasm?
The things that created halo were the Forerunners, and that's his name so he was sarcastic.

[henrywonderchimp]

o.O

...where'd they mention that?

[Battlecruiser]

o.O

...where'd they mention that?
In the 3 books.

[Spartan-II]

I knew that and I havent read the books.. they mention it in the game somewhere I think.And what I meant was like Guilty Spark is mad so he takes over a covenant cruiser and crashes it into earth or something.. And also I was wondering about something, while watching one of the movies on the Halo disc they mentioned something about other forerunner facilities I wonder if you get to visit other places besides earth.

[ZeroDarkStar]

It's mentioned ALL OVER AotCR, The Libary, and Two Betrayals that the Forerunners created The Flood, Halo, and The Monitor.

[Battlecruiser]

It's mentioned ALL OVER AotCR, The Libary, and Two Betrayals that the Forerunners created The Flood, Halo, and The Monitor.
Yeah, that too. But my speakers suck (I use the speakers on my TV), so I couldn't really make out any of the dialogue.

[Forerunner]

Yea, its ALL over the main game and the books.

[Garrec]

They could've had a better ending.
Cortana: "Halo, it's finished..."
Master Chief: "No, I think we're just getting started."

Sounds a bit overused and unoriginal for me. You then expect a sequel just so you know what the hell he's talking about. Half life had a cool ending. It was something like
Gordon Freeman
Status: Hired

I never thought about the ending too much, just figured it to be a strange end to a mysterious plot. But then, Half-Life 2 explodes onto the set, secretly in development for years.

There wasn't much for plot twists in Halo 1, so I don't really expect Halo 2 to have many twists either. Unless...
Covenant Elite: "Hey, Master Chief, you're one hell of a skilled opponent." (Holds out hand)
Master Chief: (Shakes hands) "Right back at you."
Elite: "You know, we could use someone like you on our side."
Chief: "I'm not fighing against earth. No deal."
Elite: "No, we need you against our leader. He's been pushing this war too far, and now we want an end!"
Chief: "Then lets's get to it!" They put away their weapons, jump into a nearby dropship, and blast off towards the covenant home planet, unknowing of the dangers that await them....

[Forerunner]

There wasn't much for plot twists in Halo 1, so I don't really expect Halo 2 to have many twists either. Unless...
Covenant Elite: "Hey, Master Chief, you're one hell of a skilled opponent." (Holds out hand)
Master Chief: (Shakes hands) "Right back at you."
Elite: "You know, we could use someone like you on our side."
Chief: "I'm not fighing against earth. No deal."
Elite: "No, we need you against our leader. He's been pushing this war too far, and now we want an end!"
Chief: "Then lets's get to it!" They put away their weapons, jump into a nearby dropship, and blast off towards the covenant home planet, unknowing of the dangers that await them....
Actually, I could see that happening with all the grunts and the Chief: The only reason grunts are a part of the covenant is because they're scared shitless of the elites.

[henrywonderchimp]

man, maybe it's just been too long since I've played through the campaign to remember any of that. bah. i might have to replay those levels soon.

[Forerunner]

man, maybe it's just been too long since I've played through the campaign to remember any of that. bah. i might have to replay those levels soon.
Are you implying you don't play Halo every night? Sicko.

[henrywonderchimp]

haha... yes, that's what I'm implying. I play multiplayer about once a week with a few friends. We play through a system link with about 5 or 6 guys. It's fun, but any more than once a week and it's get dull.

[Spartan-II]

Lol, have you heard a grunt when you kill an elite? "OH NO HE GOT THE ELITE, RUN!"
Yeah they're either scared shitless or they <3 elites for some reason

[Battlecruiser]

Lol, have you heard a grunt when you kill an elite? "OH NO HE GOT THE ELITE, RUN!"
Yeah they're either scared shitless or they <3 elites for some reason
They only care about the Elites because if the Elite dies, which is pretty much the leader of their group, and the best warrior they have in the area, then they are dead too. Other than that, they hate the Elites.

[Spartan-II]

They only care about the Elites because if the Elite dies, which is pretty much the leader of their group, and the best warrior they have in the area, then they are dead too. Other than that, they hate the Elites.But where does it say they hate the elites? Plus grunts remind me of teddy bears with suits of armor and guns, I mean just look at em when theyre asleep they SO CUTE!!

[Battlecruiser]

But where does it say they hate the elites? Plus grunts remind me of teddy bears with suits of armor and guns, I mean just look at em when theyre asleep they SO CUTE!!
This seems cute to you?
http://bungie.com/images/Games/Halo2/Gallery/Renders/oxm-gruntrender2-040204.jpg

[IceFlare]

uhm... i dont think there will be any plot twist as large scale as the flood in halo 1.... that was pretty freaky the first time. And since the game has gone gold even leaked.... i dont think any of these plot twists would happen

[Battlecruiser]

uhm... i dont think there will be any plot twist as large scale as the flood in halo 1.... that was pretty freaky the first time. And since the game has gone gold even leaked.... i dont think any of these plot twists would happen
Yeah the flood were pretty unexpected. But of course there are going to be plot twisters, and probably very good ones.

[Forerunner]

AAWWWwww, The grunt looks like such a cute evil koala / lizard hybrid

[Garrec]

Yeah, the grunt is trying his best at a scary face, he's not fooling anyone. He's the same lovable grunt I saw in the Halo campaign, until he shot at me. Well, he's not lovable no more, I'll tell you that right now...

Seriously, I just beat Halo PC on legendary difficulty. I don't want to ever do that again. Man, was that hard. Well, maybe not so much as difficult as just plain annoying. The flood respawing endlessly, appearing out of thin air in the most illogical places possible... shooting rocket launchers with perfect accuracy...using their claws to slash so easily through your super armored battle suit. Plus my warthog kept rolling over at the worst possible times in the final escape.

After watching the ending once again (and the special clip featured only on legendary difficulty), I don't really see why the covenant are invading earth. If it wasn't for the Master Chief, the flood would not have been destroyed, and would have spread throughout the galaxy, destroying humans and covenant alike. Or the ring would have been activated and have succeeded in cleansing the galaxy. Either way, the covenant should be thanking the human race.

How would the covenant even have found out where earth was? Did Master Chief lead them? Or did the Monitor reveal this prized information to the covenant for revenge of being outwitted by Master Chief? I get the feeling that Halo 2 is much more than a simple covenant invasion. Maybe the covenant are trying to capture cortana and the chief to learn about the flood and the ringworld installations. The monitor did say that when the other installations follow suit, the galaxy would be devoid of sentient life. Maybe the covenant are trying discover the secrets of the SPARTAN-II soldiers, after having witnessed such success from just one. Or the Earth is attempting to recontinue the project and the covenant is trying to stop them for this reason.

[Forerunner]

Yeah, the grunt is trying his best at a scary face, he's not fooling anyone. He's the same lovable grunt I saw in the Halo campaign, until he shot at me. Well, he's not lovable no more, I'll tell you that right now...

Seriously, I just beat Halo PC on legendary difficulty. I don't want to ever do that again. Man, was that hard. Well, maybe not so much as difficult as just plain annoying. The flood respawing endlessly, appearing out of thin air in the most illogical places possible... shooting rocket launchers with perfect accuracy...using their claws to slash so easily through your super armored battle suit. Plus my warthog kept rolling over at the worst possible times in the final escape.

After watching the ending once again (and the special clip featured only on legendary difficulty), I don't really see why the covenant are invading earth. If it wasn't for the Master Chief, the flood would not have been destroyed, and would have spread throughout the galaxy, destroying humans and covenant alike. Or the ring would have been activated and have succeeded in cleansing the galaxy. Either way, the covenant should be thanking the human race.

How would the covenant even have found out where earth was? Did Master Chief lead them? Or did the Monitor reveal this prized information to the covenant for revenge of being outwitted by Master Chief? I get the feeling that Halo 2 is much more than a simple covenant invasion. Maybe the covenant are trying to capture cortana and the chief to learn about the flood and the ringworld installations. The monitor did say that when the other installations follow suit, the galaxy would be devoid of sentient life. Maybe the covenant are trying discover the secrets of the SPARTAN-II soldiers, after having witnessed such success from just one. Or the Earth is attempting to recontinue the project and the covenant is trying to stop them for this reason.

These questions and more can be answered in the three books :) Sounds like you'd really like them, seeing as how you're so interested. I suggest you pick up a copy and scan through them :)

[Sikawtic]

for the guy who asked who where they mentioned the forerunners: it says it in the game as well. When talking about halo ^_^

[Garrec]

Thanks for the advice, Forerunner. Maybe I'll pick up those books sometime. That's probably why I was so confused with the plot, especially after playing the campaign the very first time. Nothing seemed to make much sense. Is the game based on the books? Or are the books based on the game?

[Battlecruiser]

Thanks for the advice, Forerunner. Maybe I'll pick up those books sometime. That's probably why I was so confused with the plot, especially after playing the campaign the very first time. Nothing seemed to make much sense. Is the game based on the books? Or are the books based on the game?
One book is based directly on the game. One is before Halo, and one is after Halo.

But where does it say they hate the elites?
If you read the last book, First Strike, it clearly says they do, or atleast you can infer they do.

[Forerunner]

Thanks for the advice, Forerunner. Maybe I'll pick up those books sometime. That's probably why I was so confused with the plot, especially after playing the campaign the very first time. Nothing seemed to make much sense. Is the game based on the books? Or are the books based on the game?
Oh don't worry, the books are based on the game. I understood the whole plot when I played the game before I ever knew there were books. The books just give you more info on the cool world of Halo.

[Spartan-II]

I just had an idea.. What if another mastercheif survived the covenant assault and was somehow brainwashed by the covenant to tell them where earth is.. That would be freaky..

[IceFlare]

I say the biggest plot twist is if dr halsey comes back and reveals that the true origins of the spartans are the forerunners :O

[ZeroDarkStar]

Anyone who doesn't want to read a large post and/or a possible spoiler shouldn't read this post.








Here's my theory on the Halo 2 storyline.

343 Guilty Spark is a Covenant AI.

Why, you ask? Think about it. In the Halo novel First Strike, the Covenant warship the Master Chief commanders was orginally commanded by a entity known only as the "Guardian Of The Luminous Key". A luminous key, you say? Sounds alot like a little thing I like to call The Index. And who guards the index? The 343 Guilty Spark, that's who. And the Acendant Justice just HAPPENS to be insystem when Halo is destroyed? I think not.

I believe that the Covenant found Halo orginally, and also found "The Monitor", the unaltered Forerunner AI. Building on the fact repeated numerous times in the books, the Covenant are imitative, not innovative, I believe that the Covenant captured The Monitor, broke down its core code, and built an entirely new AI with Covenant objectives and subrotines programmed in. This all happened immeditally before the discovery of Reach, so when a call was put out for all nearby warships to gather for an attack at Reach, the Covenant at Halo picked up and left, leaving the modified 343 Gulity Spark. They left, however, one warship (Acendant Justice) , crewed with thousands of Engineers so that the AI could try to discover Forerunner secrets and try to show them to the Engineers for future use when the "Halo Team" returned.

At the Battle Of Reach, Captain Keys made a random (or not so random, if you read the books) jump to an unknown system of the galaxy. This location was Halo Installation 04. The Covenant battle group, believing that its prize discovery was in danger, collectively made a jump to H04 to try and stop the POA. They failed, however, and the POA and its crew landed on Halo.

343 Guilty Spark was informed of this. The Covenant are arrogant, and believed that they, with an entire armada of troops, could stop the crew of one UNSC cruiser from discovering the secrets of Halo. However, when the MC got too close, 343 took over.

He set a trap. This trap involved the Index and the Flood. He released the Flood, but underestimated their power. The Index was compromised, and the old Forerunner AI overpowered the Covenant AI and took over. It lead the MC to the Control Room with the Index, and, discovering that The Reclaimer was not willing to do his duty, panicked. He sent the Setienals after him, and, opon realizing that his prized Installation 04 was in danger of destruction (the POA reactor), headed towards the downed UNSC ship.

After the destruction of Halo, he is seen flying away (after the credits). I assume that after Halo was destroyed, the AI controlling The Monitor went offline, and the Covenant AI took back control. It was acutally heading towards the Acendant Justice.

[Spartan-II]

Or that humans are the forerunners only they like lost their knowledge to a virus or apocalyptic war.. or maybe they accidnetally activated halo and killed themselves

[Forerunner]

You pose some very interestind ideas, ZDS.

First off, it is very possible that the Covenant tried to reprogram the Monitor, but the only reason the Monitor was able to remain sane after over 100,000 years of isolation is because he's a self repairing entity. When the Covenant AI took over, it is possible that over the course of Halo, the Monitor slowly took back the control of himself and pushed out the Covenant AI.

Another thing though, yes the Acendant Justice DID just happen to be in the system. The Covenant had been researching on Halo for some time before the Piller of Autumn got there and messed things up. There was an entire Covenant Armadain orbit around threshold at the time, and don't tell me that little reactor blast would destroy all -- if any of the orbiting Covenant ships.

Another thing, I believe in no way at all that the Monitor tried to release the Flood. The Monitor exists solely to keep them cooped up, and the Covenant thought it wouldn't hurt too much to open the door and peek at what awesome weapons of destruction they could find to mirror with their own technology. Sadly, that was not a very bright Idea and the flood overwhelmed the Covenant. Sucks for them.

Just my thoughts.

[Battlecruiser]

I just had an idea.. What if another mastercheif survived the covenant assault and was somehow brainwashed by the covenant to tell them where earth is.. That would be freaky..
The covenant assualt is ON Earth. They already know where Earth is. And in Halo 2 you defend Earth.

[Forerunner]

The covenant assualt is ON Earth. They already know where Earth is. And in Halo 2 you defend Earth.
Yea and also they never really tell us what happened to all the other spartans on Reich...

[Battlecruiser]

Yea and also they never really tell us what happened to all the other spartans on Reich...
What do you mean? They say what happened to them in the book First Strike.

[IceFlare]

not all of them.... nothing was mentioned about beta and the other team cant remember their callsign. but they lost contact duznt mean theyre ded.

[Spartan-II]

Exactly maybe the covenant ambushed them and put em in stasis and accessed their subconcious to learn where earth was.. And if they already knew about earth why didnt they avoid reach and kill earth?

[Cross_Fire]

If you dont want to know what happens in the halo book "First Strike" dont read!!!

I think that none of the spartans that were still on reach survived. When the cove found out that the humans took the crystal and left, they probably glassed the rest of reach. Out of the 6 spartans that survived reach, only 5 made it back from the hyrponent (or what ever it was called). So that leaves John, Kelly, Linda, Fred and Will.

[IceFlare]

the spartans dont release any information unless they do so themselves. dun u think being trained in the military since u were 6 dun u think u might have the best anti-coercian techniques? and they wouldnt tell even if they were subconcious. remember the 6 beat tune for the all-clear signal, nothing can get that out of the spartans unless they do it themself. and earth is probably the one alpha priority of the spartan to keep safe so it wont leak out. and anyways, the spartans are fighters alongside marines i dun think they know the position of earth

[Forerunner]

The Spartans didn't give away the position to earth. I think it said in the books that the Covenant eventually got hold of a cruiser or something, but some how or another they found out where earth was without any help of The Chief or his compadres.

[Battlecruiser]

Remember the small covenant probe that got stuck onto one of the human ships? I forgot which book it was, but I know it happened. I think that might be what sent the information of Earth's location, or something to do with it.

[Forerunner]

Remember the small covenant probe that got stuck onto one of the human ships? I forgot which book it was, but I know it happened. I think that might be what sent the information of Earth's location, or something to do with it.
YEA! That's it. I had forgotten about that. But yes, the covenant attatched a small probe to a human ship, and that sent back data to the covenant as to where Earth was. :D

[ZeroDarkStar]

In First Strike, an ONI officer present at the Battle Of Reach made an unrandom Slipspace jump directly to Earth, brushing aside the Cole Protocol. I think that the Covenant watched the officer jump, recorded his coordanate bearing, then found Earth using that data.

[Spartan-II]

In First Strike, an ONI officer present at the Battle Of Reach made an unrandom Slipspace jump directly to Earth, brushing aside the Cole Protocol. I think that the Covenant watched the officer jump, recorded his coordanate bearing, then found Earth using that data.The cole protocol was put for a reason stupid ONI officer -.-

[IceFlare]

u obviously dint read the book 2 carefully spartan. it sed that he made a new speed record from reach to earth considering that he did do all teh required random jumps. but time, speed, velocity dun mean anything in slipspace so its not possible he was faster than usual so he must have taken a direct course. and to check, all they had to do was chek the time logged into the ships engine. -.-

[Forerunner]

u obviously dint read the book 2 carefully spartan. it sed that he made a new speed record from reach to earth considering that he did do all teh required random jumps. but time, speed, velocity dun mean anything in slipspace so its not possible he was faster than usual so he must have taken a direct course. and to check, all they had to do was chek the time logged into the ships engine. -.-
Yea, you're right. The thing I was talking about is how the Covenant found Reich :D

[IceFlare]

dude im always right =P

[singo]

In the 3 books.
and all over the game

and the Covenant thought it wouldn't hurt too much to open the door and peek at what awesome weapons of destruction they could find to mirror with their own technology. Sadly, that was not a very bright Idea and the flood overwhelmed the Covenant. Sucks for them.

Just my thoughts.
they sealed it up pretty damn quickly when they found what was inside though......whereupon human nature came to the fore and the humans decided to open said door to find out why the covies wanted it shut



I think that none of the spartans that were still on reach survived.
for a start it says in the manual that the master cheif is the last one

[IceFlare]

for another start, the book mentions that there were survivors. fred kelly will li anton isaac and vinh, isaac and vinh later died cuz they ignited a det pack on themselves.

[ZeroDarkStar]

for another start, the book mentions that there were survivors. fred kelly will li anton isaac and vinh, isaac and vinh later died cuz they ignited a det pack on themselves.

Not really mentioned, it's more like the entire book is based on the fact that Spartans survived.

[Spartan-II]

for another start, the book mentions that there were survivors. fred kelly will li anton isaac and vinh, isaac and vinh later died cuz they ignited a det pack on themselves.Smart:rolleyes:

[IceFlare]

do u ppl read like before you post? know the topic before posting???!?!? it says in the manual they were the last one but that is just to provide a backdrop on your situation and to create a feeling of ur the last and most important one. now the books are more in-depth and surprisingly you "find out" that you have teammates remaining.

[Forerunner]

You are correct, but no reason to flame. not EVERYONE can be uber halo knowledgeable. and for the record, ppl != people

[IceFlare]

im not flaming... merely surprised that wen you dont even know the info so well that you can be backing your statement so well.

[singo]

well EXCUSE ME for not having read the books then