Smoking, love or hate?

[Draix]

I just wanted to know what everyone's opinion was on smoking. I myself smoke, and unfortunately I cannot live without it. Though it has its ups it of course has it's downs. For one thing, after u smoke everything tastes like shit. But I was wondering what you all thought about it?

[Demosthene5]

I know people have some people have never smoked yet still have this hardcore hate for it. I think thats just a silly thing to do in general.
I wouldn't call myself a serious smoker just as a casual drinker wouldn't call himself an alchoholic.
It takes me about four months to go thru a whole pack. I only smoke when I get really tense with piles of hw or studying, usually geomatics and calculus. Also ONLY outside, I take a shower afterwards and wash my clothes right away, its ironic but I hate how it tastes and smells. Call me a hypocrit but remember that Jack Daniels doesn't exactly taste like peppermint...

[Valjean]

Eh, I hate smoking because of all the bad things it does to people. What makes me even more angry/confused is that they don't legalize things like pot or cocain; yet still allow you to smoke or drink alchohol (depends on the ammount) when it's just as bad for you. Then again, it all has to do with what our politicians are addicted to; cigarettes (sp?) and alchohol. Some drug bans are also, I believe, tied in with steriotypes and racism. Of course, I don't want really want drugs banned at all, no drug bans, but better education of what the drugs do to you, both pros and cons; but not all the half truths you have in drug & alchohol education. Bah.

But this is my opinion.

[gediminas]

Well, I'm quite a phenomenon - I live in Russia, I'm 15 and I don't smoke.
I get pissed everytime I hear stuff like "Hey, pal, d'ya have a smoke?"...
So yes, I hate smoking, hate it pretty much, but never tell people bullshit about how
bad it is to smoke (I just don't wanna get beaten...).
For me, it's easier to ignore smokers...

The good thing is that some of my friends are not-smoking kids, but all of them are younger
than me, and the fact that they don't smoke right now might change...

[EdvardMunch]

I don't like smoking. My psychology teacher made a crack about smoking just yesterday: "I'm trying to get into smoking but it's really tough. It tastes bad, it smells bad, it makes my clothes smell bad..." lol

However, I don't dislike smokers. They're pretty much restricted from smoking indoors. Although it isn't so great that, on my college campus, I can't sit outside, otherwise the winds will magickally change and blow the mainstream smoke into my face. Nonetheless, I'll let them smoke if they want.

Some drug bans are also, I believe, tied in with stereotypes and racism.
That's true. In my sociology class a few years back, we talked about how marijuana was at first used by black people. As such, the penalties for using it were heavy. However, once white college students got into it, the penalties lessened and marijuana wasn't considered nearly as bad as before.

[Black.Ice]

I dislike smoking. I could care less if anyone else does it.... their life, their choice. Utah has a clean air act, so no one is allowed to smoke inside of a public commercial building. (I know a few states where this doesnt exist)

The one thing that irks me is them standing by the entrances to buildings. I just hate the way it smells...

I know a few smokers, and they're great people. There's no reason why I would hate smokers - I mean, the few people that I know have enough common sense to leave when they smoke, and not disturb the non-smokers.

[Demosthene5]

In my sociology class a few years back, we talked about how marijuana was at first used by black people. As such, the penalties for using it were heavy. However, once white college students got into it, the penalties lessened and marijuana wasn't considered nearly as bad as before.I believe it, that sort of thing happens in society all the time. Driving drunk is much worse than driving high, yet alchohol is available everywhere. I was wondering where this anti-pot stigma came from.

They're pretty much restricted from smoking indoors.Im glad that people cant smoke inside unless in a casino or bar. If they did everything would be terrible, especially airplanes. ugh.

[Nuts]

Im glad that people cant smoke inside unless in a casino or bar. If they did everything would be terrible, especially airplanes. ugh.

You don't believe that the propietor of a restaraunt has the right to decide if he/she wishes to permit smoking? At last check, private business has the right to refuse any customer. Therefore, I conclude that the indoor smoking bans are unlawful.

[Sheep_Have_Wool]

Therefore, I conclude that the indoor smoking bans are unlawful.
Incorrect. If you live inside a city/county, you're subject to its zoning laws, ordinances, etc. You don't complain about those, do you? Don't like it? Move.

Personally, I don't really care if someone smokes or not, as long as it's not in my car, apartment, etc. I do find a girl that smokes to be far less attractive, however, and I've heard similar comments from many females. Something to keep in mind :P

[Demosthene5]

I do find a girl that smokes to be far less attractive, however, and I've heard similar comments from many females. Something to keep in mind Another really bad things is that cigarettes cost money. Thats my biggest problem with them. You could call me a cheap bastard, and youd be right.

[Nuts]

Incorrect. If you live inside a city/county, you're subject to its zoning laws, ordinances, etc. You don't complain about those, do you? Don't like it? Move.

Excuse me, smoking isn't illegal outside. Were it totally illegal, I might concede the issue. However, it is only illegal (In Florida) when food is being served. Isn't this a decision that should be made by the proprietor?

Don't like it? Tough.

[hammocksleeper]

I don't really like smoking. I don't smoke myself. And the people I hang around are always very courteous when they smoke. But I must admit, I kind of like the smell.

And the smell of pot, boy don't get me started on that :D

[Demosthene5]

And the smell of pot, boy don't get me started on that hotbox the thread! w00t!

Excuse me, smoking isn't illegal outside. Were it totally illegal, I might concede the issue. However, it is only illegal (In Florida) when food is being served. Isn't this a decision that should be made by the proprietor?

Don't like it? Tough. I think this is diff every state to state about what kind of commercial/residential buildings are considered in legislation.

[TheBB]

For some odd and peculiar reason, "smoking" in norwegian means "tuxedo" in english, so I thought this thread was about those. =\

[hammocksleeper]

For some odd and peculiar reason, "smoking" in norwegian means "tuxedo" in english, so I thought this thread was about those. =\Like smoking jackets!

Edit: Wait nevermind...I'm wrong.

[Draix]

What makes me even more angry/confused is that they don't legalize things like pot or cocain; yet still allow you to smoke or drink alchohol (depends on the ammount) when it's just as bad for you. Then again, it all has to do with what our politicians are addicted to; cigarettesYes smoking is horrable for you, and yes second hand smoke hurts people even more, BUT smoking is not like any of those hardcore drugs for the simple fact that it doesn't make you more stupid or it doesn't effect your judgement and so on. I hate people that will just light up in a public building and i will tell them to please take it outside, and i also tell people not to smoke. That may make me a hippocrit, but i believe no one may talk against smoking until they know first hand what it does to you. I have been trying to quit but its horrably addicting. And i also have to express my hate for these "anti smoking groups" they think raising taxes on cigs will make people stop, no it doesn't they are idiots all it does is drain more money from us poor people that find it impossable to stop. Well... Maybe not impossable, but hard

[TheGreatBrain]

Well, ever since smoking handed my grandmother a slow, painful death by lung cancer, I've had a tad of disapproval for it. You know, that's just me.

[Subjukator]

smoking will bite you in the ass eventually. just wait for that one moment when you realize that your habit isnt too grand and forces you to make a choice. you'll make the right one but how much joy will you have from it?

ive smoked my fair share of cigs and cannabis but im scratching out the former from my routine. it just doesnt mix with atheletics

[Demosthene5]

Well, ever since smoking handed my grandmother a slow, painful death by lung cancer, I've had a tad of disapproval for it. You know, that's just me.youre right to. How much did she smoke?

[hammocksleeper]

I remember reading an article about a guy who is 108 years old, been smoking all his life, but had to quit at 99 because he said he couldn't afford it anymore. As soon as he let people know, all kinds of cigars, expensive ones too, start pouring into his mailbox. And he's smoking again. :)

[Markpyro]

I hate smoking. When i was little, my mom, wanting to teach me a lesson gave me one and let me try a puff, and i hated it, it gave me a stomach ache and i couldnt breathe... Since then i havent tried smoking, and i hate smokers in general. I agree, i hate the smell when people breathe it into my face. Where i live, a quiet suburaban town, i counted 475 cigarette butts on the side of a 1/2 mile street, its disgusting. Another instance: i was running in a park near a skateboard (well i guess) park, and i came apon some guys hanging out. when i got close, they all put their hands behind their back and i saw smoke rising behind them. Yet again disgusting, and they probobly put the cigarettes on the ground too...

[Draix]

ugh, don't hate their is no point. Sure its bad but... I smoke and im nota bad guy :) anyways i throw the buds out my window when im done and every week or so i clean em up, i don't throw them on the ground in a park or so

[Demosthene5]

And i also have to express my hate for these "anti smoking groups" they think raising taxes on cigs will make people stop, no it doesn't they are idiots all it does is drain more money from us poor people that find it impossable to stop. Well... Maybe not impossable, but hardI would like to consider myself to have stronger willpower than a dead plant... :/

There are groups of lawyers that get filthy rich for bashing smoking btw thru govt funding, and the taxes arent to stop people, they are fully aware that you won't stop, but that is actually about the money. Its kind of like how a drug dealer will get you hooked, then raise the prices for everything.

[TheGreatBrain]

youre right to. How much did she smoke?About a pack a day. She stopped (for the most part) when she was 60 or so though, but she still got cancer when she was 73.

[Draix]

I would like to consider myself to have stronger willpower than a dead plant... :/
My friend we have good willpower, but its still hard, you ma not know this because your not a big smoker, good form by the way i was hooked after my first.

[Battlecruiser]

I hate smoking because it doesn't have a point to it.

[Demosthene5]

About a pack a day.wow thats... alot, but ive heard of two packs a day. I dont think I would be able to physically pull that kind of thing off.

I hate smoking because it doesn't have a point to it. you can get a nice high off normal cigarettes, depending on how you smoke.

[Mattimeo]

Excuse me, smoking isn't illegal outside. Were it totally illegal, I might concede the issue. However, it is only illegal (In Florida) when food is being served. Isn't this a decision that should be made by the proprietor?

Don't like it? Tough.

Ok then, but any restraurant that allows smoking will not get my business. My dad and I were at a steak house in Jackson Mississippi and they had no non-smoking section so we just left and went somewhere else. Things like that are why people have non-smoking sections.

I have athsma and I can't stand being around people who smoke. It makes me cough, it makes everything smell bad, it's miserable. One of the main reasons I wouldn't want to live in other countries like Australia is the amount of smoking that is done there, in public too. When I was on vacation in Australia there was so much smoking there that it really affected my breathing and when I got back to my grandmother's house I had an athsma attack and was stuck in bed for 3 days until we went back home. Don't try to tell me smoking only hurts the person who smokes.

~Don't Panic

[hammocksleeper]

"A no-smoking section in an open restaurant is like a no-peeing section in a swimming pool."

[Moser]

I don't hate smoking and I don't love smoking.. I kindda like it tho.. Dunno why. =/ It just calms me.

[Draix]

About a pack a day.
Takes about 4 days to go through one with me.

[Demosthene5]

Don't try to tell me smoking only hurts the person who smokes I dont think anyone did. Secondhand is lethal, it makes people mad, etc, This is why i dont smoke around anyone else. Its just me and a magazine by the pool or something.

[Dark_Viper]

Well i hate smokers when they are ignorant about it but i do allways carry arround a lighter for the people that ask for a light.. i dont give a **** about what people do to their bodies... just never drag me into it...

Dark_Viper(nonsmoker, nondrinker)

[Scauthra]

I will say it as it is, I don't hate smokers. I wont hate a person because of one thing (well... that's a little untrue. I mean, if you are a rapiest, I wish you dead), but I wont hate a smoker because of that. I avoid them the best I can, but I know a lot of smokers, they are all pretty much in my family. Heck, even my 13 your old cousin will try to sneak off and smoke -.- Only my little brother and me don't smoke. He's too young to know, so who knows if he will or not when he reaches the age. I hate the smell, I do not want to breath in those toxin's.

What I hate mose, about smokeing at all is. It's not very healthy, it costs a heck of a lot of money, and it's hard to quit.

I know a good friend of mine, I begged her to stop, and she finally decided to give it a try. At the end of the week, she was having.. scary withdrawals. She punched her wall and left a noticable mark in it, she was grumpy and easily angered. She bought a pack and I had her throw them under some water to prevent herself.

Well, she started again. *Sighs*

[Draix]

Good form thats the way to think :) in anycase i do know the pains of trying to stop, i have tried it.

[Ragnarox]

I myself have never smoked any kind of smokable substance known to man.

Smoking is like the only exception for murder in the united states. I myself hate smoking, not smokers, because it is giving the government an accuse to get money from killing people. Its like paying for your own death.

[Demosthene5]

Its like paying for your own death.you get death for free anyway. being alive is a fatal condition. :\

[Ragnarox]

Yes death is free. So why pay money for it? You are simply advancing it and paying for it at the same time.

[EdvardMunch]

What the hell, Devil's Advocate:

More or less, what is our goal in life? To have fun. Whether fun is achieved through hedonism, accomplishments, self improvement, mindless acts of petty vandalism, reading dead baby jokes, whatever. A fun life is a well-lived life.

Well, for some people, smoking is fun. Here's how one smoker puts it:

"Sometimes, while I'm waiting for my Mac to load up, I like to eat a peanut butter banana sandwich, just like The King did. I also like to light a few cigarettes and stick them in there. It tastes good, though sometimes I swallow the cigarettes. My farts smell bad when I do that, and they're visible."

The most common reported reason for "smoking is bad" is the health problems. Well, lemme tell you: death is innevitable. Whether we die from heart disease (number one killer of men and women. It's good to see the feminist movement getting another step closer to total equality!), accidents (number 5 killer), or saying Zeeky Boogy Doog (number 110001010111010101110010 killer among computer programmers), death will happen. So what if cigs make you more likely to develop lung cancer (and spontaneous human combustion)? Dying from drowning in your own fluids just replaces dying from a heart attack, so the health problems are, more or less, irrelevant.

Smoking is also still seen as cool, as reports this news article: http://www.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/08/07/health.smoking.reut/ which says that "even as overall smoking rates decline in Western countries, public health campaigners face the perplexing reality that far from being a furtive activity, smoking remains irredeemably cool, among people in their 20s at least."

Now, there's a reason people follow the crowd, because they want to be with the crowd. If smoking is cool, and smoking is what the crowd does, then taking up smoking will improve your social life. Imagine the endless hours of fun of sitting around discussing (and smoking) nicotine patches! Besides, smoking gets you away from boring things like breaking into art museums and stealing prints of my paintings and... (crap, my unconvincing CGI indicates I'm turning green)

Furthermore, here is a website on the health benefits of smoking: http://www.forces.org/evidence/evid/therap.htm (I'll warn you, there's a yucky picture of someone with a gum disease. I recommend you cover the middle right side of your monitor if you'd rather not see it) So you see? Stop bashing smoking. It has positives.

Note: I'm, like, totally not being sarcastic.

[Scauthra]

Well taht is of course true, Edvard. People do it because they have fun with it, or it doesint matter, they will die anyways, why not go over the peak and do some unhealthy stuff.

But the point from most of us non-smokers is it's bothersome. To you, it's great, to us, it's intoxicating. To you, you're going to die anyways, to me, yeah i'm going to die, but I rather not die a year, or 5, or 10 early. One of the things I want to do is see how far the world avances before it's my time to be placed in the ground.

Now I am going to be a bit quiet, I did some research and second hand smoke isint a very big deal on being a killer, but still, I have lived with it long enough and it still irritates the hell out of me. I hate the smell, and I hate the cost that's placed into it. That money can go to better things.

And when I say you, it's not directed at you Edvard, it was just a 'you and me' type explination.

[JenJen]

I absolutely hate smoking. there's no reason to even start or try it. i mean why? it does nothing but kill you. there are plenty of safe ways to calm yourself and get comfort like exercise. i've threatened to stop being friends with people if they started smoking in fact. so far it's worked :)

[Maegtelluma]

I see no benefit in smoking. The influence for me came when I was in sixth grade, 4 years ago. I will remember it until the day I die. After a track practice most of the locker room had cleared, and one of the only guys was left was the star of the team, an eigth grader who went on to be a star in high school. He was coughing and sputtering, clearly in agony. He told me that "Smoking f%cks up your life, kid. Don't ever smoke, it's hell." It left a huge impression on me, because I never believed anyone at that age was affected. He apparently quit and thrived in high school. Not to mention that my father used to smoke, and his throat and lungs are constantly agitating him. It can't be worth it, it screws up your body and I see no benefit. I don't want to go through what that guy and my dad, and what everyone who has suffered from lung cancer and other smoking problems went through. It's just not worth it to me.

[Whiteknight]

"I can quit anytime I want. In fact, this is the 10th time I've quit!"

Don't kid yourself, you don't have willpower unless you actually quit. Saying you can quit anytime just makes you a hyppocrite.

Unless the smoking section is enclosed in a restaraunt, having two sections is a crock. It does nothing, like hammocksleeper said.

I don't have a problem with smokers if they don't smoke near other people. I have asthma and it bothers me very much.

I'm glad I grew up in a small town. Everyone pretty much hates the smokers and potheads.

[Demosthene5]

"I can quit anytime I want. In fact, this is the 10th time I've quit!"

Don't kid yourself, you don't have willpower unless you actually quit. Saying you can quit anytime just makes you a hyppocrite.yes, but someone could also challenge you to stop drinking wine at special occations. Alcohol has addictive properties, yet it is possible to drink without being an alcoholic, right? What would you say to this challenger that claimed that the only reason you drank wine now and then was because you were an alcoholic and hoplessly addicted?

[Draix]

I absolutely hate smoking. there's no reason to even start or try it. i mean why? it does nothing but kill you. there are plenty of safe ways to calm yourself and get comfort like exercise. i've threatened to stop being friends with people if they started smoking in fact. so far it's worked :)
If something as small as smoking could end a friendship, then that friendship is not a friendship.


P.S I hate you

[JenJen]

If something as small as smoking could end a friendship, then that friendship is not a friendship.


P.S I hate you
smoking small? HAHA that's funny. smoking is not a small action by any means. smoking ends your life and screws you up if you smoke anything other than cigarrettes. don't really care if you hate me i only need one person in this world and he definately isn't some random person on the internet...although he is a major member of this website.

[Draix]

smoking small? HAHA that's funny. smoking is not a small action by any means. smoking ends your life and screws you up if you smoke anything other than cigarettes don't really care if you hate me i only need one person in this world and he definitely isn't some random person on the Internet...although he is a major member of this website.OH IM SO SCARED! Yes, smoking is small when you think of the many other things people do, such as weed, crank, etc. It is just wrong to hate someone that smokes. So what your saying is you would never befriend a smoker? IM sorry but we can do without someone that selfish, because if you think about it you are selfish to not befriend someone just because he/she smokes, I have friends that hate smoking but they do not care I smoke. Well, maybe that's because that is what a friend is.

don't really care if you hate me i only need one person in this world and he definitely isn't some random person on the Internet...although he is a major member of this websiteHA is that a threat buddy? And smoking is MY choice, so im killing myself, and i do not blow my second hand smoke in people's face.

[JenJen]

i never said i wouldnt befriend a smoker gosh i'm not an asshole. When my friends talk about it though i tell them that i would think a heck of a lot less of them if they ever did it and i tell them not to. My friends arent the type who should be touching stuff that can ruin their lives. They're all really good people who will all go to college and get good jobs and i don't want them to go down the road and regret that they started. This is our pact as friends; to help get eachother to our goals and one of them isn't dying of lung disease.

oh and no that wasn't a threat i was simply saying that i don't need you to like me. Oh no i'm shaking in my boots someone hates me. pfft give me a break.

[Moser]

P.S I hate youHA is that a threat buddy? And smoking is MY choice, so im killing myself, and i do not blow my second hand smoke in people's face.
Are you proud of killing yourself?

And if your going to talk to ladies like that.. perhaps you should die a little sooner.. the world has enough assholes as is.

[Draix]

Are you proud of killing yourself?

And if your going to talk to ladies like that.. perhaps you should die a little sooner.. the world has enough assholes as is.HA, someone wants to get laid. In any case I did not know jen jen was a chick. I just thought it was some stuck up asshole. And I couldn't care less what you think of me. And do you just assume IM an asshole? You know nothing about me so you have no right to say that, we are all assholes sometimes. AND I MIGHT BE KILLING MYSELF BUT I WON'T DIE TILL IM LIKE 60 AND I DON'T CARE BECAUSE ILL BE OLD.

My friends aren't the type who should be touching stuff that can ruin their lives. They're all really good people who will all go to college and get good jobs and i don't want them to go down the road and regret that they started.Oh I see, so since I smoke IM a dumbass and IM not going to collage and IM just gonna be some bum? Well, ill have you know my CUM GPA is 3.86 and I am going to the Art institute of Seattle. Just because I smoke doesn't mean IM gonna be a looser, so please don't assume we all are. In any case IM not trying o be an asshole.

[Moser]

Get laid? Oh yes.. you know it.. with some chick on the internet that is AJ's girlfriend.. NO. And you have fun smoking.. go pay to get killed.

[Whiteknight]

yes, but someone could also challenge you to stop drinking wine at special occations. Alcohol has addictive properties, yet it is possible to drink without being an alcoholic, right? What would you say to this challenger that claimed that the only reason you drank wine now and then was because you were an alcoholic and hoplessly addicted? You don't have wine every single night, only on special occasions. This analogy would only fit with cigars, which are smoked on special occasions, as wine is drunk on special occasions. (On average)

Smokes, however, are smoked every day. If you drank wine every single day, yes, you would be an alcoholic, just like if you smoke several cigs every day, you are addicted. Every day is not a special occasion.

OH IM SO SCARED! Yes, smoking is small when you think of the many other things people do, such as weed, crank, etc. It is just wrong to hate someone that smokes. So what your saying is you would never befriend a smoker? IM sorry but we can do without someone that selfish, because if you think about it you are selfish to not befriend someone just because he/she smokes, I have friends that hate smoking but they do not care I smoke. Well, maybe that's because that is what a friend is.
How is smoking small compared to weed and heroin, etc? Both affect you. Both affect other people. By and large, more people smoke and will affect more people in the long run, both physically (second hand smoke) and mentally (Parents/friend/etc don't like smoking, don't like the smell, lung cancer affects parents, etc.)

Just because I smoke doesn't mean IM gonna be a looser, so please don't assume we all are. In any case IM not trying o be an asshole. Smokers arn't always losers, they just like to inhale tar into their lungs and cover up the aveoli (Not that, but something that takes in the oxygen) in their lungs.

However, no matter what, whenever you smoke, someone else is affected by second hand smoke, bet it outside or in a restaraunt. The only place where someone won't be affected is in your own house/bathroom.

And people, enough with this "Go pay for yourself to die". We want logical and thought out arguments here, not a little tidbit about that they are going to die earlier in a form of an insult.

[Draix]

i have to agree with you

[Valjean]

This thread makes my head hurt. >_<

[Xenon]

I myself smoke, and unfortunately I cannot live without it. But I was wondering what you all thought about it?Since you asked, I will tell you. But first, allow me to preface my response to your question by saying this: I didn't read a single post after the first and original post. What I say may have been said before; I don't care. You asked for my opinion, so you'll get it.

Personally, I smoked for many years for a number of reasons. I enjoyed smoking. It relaxed me (ironic because nicotine is a stimulant), it was nice after a meal. A great many of my coworkers smoke, and interestingly enough throughout the years one of the main reasons I continued to smoke even after realizing for myself how terrible and harmful it was for me was because I was worried that 1) I wouldn't be able to take as many "breaks" throughout the day and 2) I worried that many of the people I only associated with because we all smoked together at the same time I wouldn't associate with any more.

Well, I eventually decided for myself and just quit overnight. I didn't go on the patch, and I didn't take any medications for it. I haven't gained any weight, and I don't crave cigarettes. I quit once before the same way for about 3 and a half years, but I began smoking again because just as I felt like quitting and did, I felt like smoking again and so I did.

My first fear was baseless. I still take just as many breaks throughout the day. However, I have found that yes, I don't really associate with the same crowd any more. Sure I still see them, but the only thing we had in common was the poison we were filling our lungs and bodies with.

I have to say though, that anyone who says they "can't quit" or that they "cannot live without it" are just fooling themselves. They are weak and ineffectual people. People who lack the will power to change their own lives. They are people who enjoy blaming their failings and weaknesses on others. Get a grip! Find your backbone! If you want to quit smoking, just go ahead and DO IT!

The problem with most smokers in my opinion isn't that they can't quit because of some supposed "addiction", it's that when it really comes right down to it, they don't WANT to quit. They just want an excuse to rationalize to themselves why they do something purposely harmful to their own bodies.

Be a man (or woman) and kick the habit today. It isn't any harder than deciding to do it.

Amen.

EDIT: I still smoke weed on a non-regular basis. I refuse to give it up though, and I don't drink.... very often.

[CODEZERO]

smoking gay and thats final and I HATE IT

[LordAhriman]

I have to say though, that anyone who says they "can't quit" or that they "cannot live without it" are just fooling themselves. They are weak and ineffectual people. People who lack the will power to change their own lives. They are people who enjoy blaming their failings and weaknesses on others. Get a grip! Find your backbone! If you want to quit smoking, just go ahead and DO IT!Of course, while the fact that you could quit just like that is quite amazing, you do realize that your case is about one in a bazillion? Simple feelings often get the better of sheer willpower. I have an anxiety disorder, for which I do not take medication; however, it would be a god-like act of willpower to simply tell myself to stop and have it be so. It's the same with any disorder or addiction.

I don't think it's about being weak. It's about how attached you are to a feeling.

[Draix]

I have to say though, that anyone who says they "can't quit" or that they "cannot live without it" are just fooling themselves. They are weak and ineffectual people. People who lack the will power to change their own lives. They are people who enjoy blaming their failings and weaknesses on others. Get a grip! Find your backbone! If you want to quit smoking, just go ahead and DO IT!Don't kid yourself, you can say "people are weak who cannot quit" but you are just being foolish. Sure you were able to quit easy, but it's different for everyone. Nicotine is one of the most addicting substances I have many friends who have tried to quit but cant.

In a sense yes its not that we cant quit its we don't want to quit, but it's not that simple. Its like all these obese people saying "i want to lose weight" but they never do it, why? because it is very hard for them to quit the junk food and eat right and work out, its almost the same thing.

Plus your body craves it, I know if I go to long without one I get pissed off. I have to say you are a conceded fool for saying us smokers are "weak" you may have smoked, but you were lucky and were not very addicted. And don't give me all this "GET A GRIP" shit if you quit that easy then you were not addicted. I go a few hours without one and I get pissed so IM assuming IM addicted. So heres a little tip pal SMOKING IS DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE. Could you read that? Good now run along and play... Jackass

I still smoke weed on a non-regular basis. I refuse to give it up though, and I don't drink.... very often.For your information weed is worse for you then cigs, it has more cancer causing agents.

[Valjean]

For your information weed is worse for you then cigs, it has more cancer causing agents.
I thought weed was worse because weed doesn't have filters. O_o

If cigs didn't have filters, I think weed would be better. :P

[Dark_Magneto]

http://home.earthlink.net/~darkmagneto/cancer.gif

[hammocksleeper]

I thought weed was worse because weed doesn't have filters. O_o

If cigs didn't have filters, I think weed would be better. :P
Pound for pound weed is more damaging, but the fact of the matter is that no one smokes 20 jays in a day.

[UED77]

Feeing that some of the posts from 10 days ago were below the civilized level of the Intelligent Roundtable, I now seek to revive this topic.
Caution: This is going to be a long post.

There are two ways of approaching this topic.

The Objective Method (The scholarly answer)

First of all, what are drugs?
According to Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary, a drug is "a substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body". Because drugs are complex chemicals, they are not restricted to one particular effect that they exert on the body; all drugs have side-effects.
Nicotine, the acting agent found in tobacco (and other members of the nightshade family such as tomato and eggplant) is a powerful drug with addictive properties. Whilst a frequent user can become addicted, nicotine in small amounts can even be beneficial. Many of its effects are same to caffeine: according to Wikipedia, nicotine "... has a stimulating effect, increasing activity, alertness and memory. Repeat users report a pleasant relaxing effect. It also increases the heart rate and blood pressure and reduces the appetite". The leading cause of smoking-related deaths is lung cancer, which is of course caused by the tar and ash accumulating in one's lungs. So the scholarly answer is that nicotine is not all bad. In fact, this article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/smoking/Story/0,2763,1263918,00.html) by Guardian actually states some potential beneficial effects of nicotine.


The Subjective Method (UED77's personal opinion) -- Watch out: radically differs from the scholarly answer

When I was in 7th grade, I had to take the train each morning at 5:35 to the Hungarian capital of Budapest each day. The trip took about two hours. I had to make the commute each morning to school, and back in the afternoon. And on the train, I encountered a bunch of people who smoked. Most Hungarian trains do not have separate smoking and non-smoking carriages, instead they have each carriage divided into a smoking and non-smoking part. And whenever there weren't any seats (or standing room even) in the non-smoking section, I would have to go thru a smoking section to find a seat. Or better yet -- on each friday, on the afternoon commute, the train was so full (bunch of college students traveling back to their rural homes for the weekend and etc.) that I would have to stand in the hallway. And people would just light up next to me. And if I dared to complain, they would cuss and swear and light up anyways. The smell makes me sick. Even the slightest scent of it makes me want to vomit. And because of this, I vowed not to try smoking. Never. A bunch of teens in Hungary smoke. Thinking it makes them look cool. Here in the States, Marijuana seems more popular. But anyways, I've had enough bad experiences on the train that I will never try any drugs.

UED77

[JenJen]

It's good you'll never try smoking UED77. The smell makes me want to puke also. Personally i believe that there's absolutely no reason to smoke. i don't even understand the whole "it makes you cool" thing because my school and more specifically my grade level doesn't think it's cool. Sure there are plenty of people who do it, but it's not something that people are standing around on school grounds asking if you want one.

Today in school was the second day of our drug free campaign week and during my gym class we went in these police trailers to watch commercials and movies on drunk driving, drugs, and not wearing your seatbelt. They were some of the most gruesome things i've ever seen and whenever i get in a car now i see the images and i want to puke. At one point we watched a 3-D movie and i had to take the goggles off because i felt sick. There was dripping blood and brains outside of the heads. Makes me never even want to discuss smoking, drinking, and unsafe driving. changed my point of view forever.


finally

So heres a little tip pal SMOKING IS DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE. Could you read that? Good now run along and play... Jackass
try being nice..you started this so you're going to get opinions..you don't have to bite their heads off for giving you one.

[Xenon]

I don't think it's about being weak. It's about how attached you are to a feeling.

Isn't that the very definition of mental weakness? Logically you can agree that it's bad and damaging for you. Ergo, you should quit. If you don't quit, by whatever method you use be it cold turkey or using some sort of assistance you are weak. Your willpower is weaker than the feeling you are attached to. Whenever someone compromises or rationalizes something they know is wrong or bad for them, they are being weak. So get off your fat/smoking ass and do something constructive to quit/lose weight.

Nicotine is one of the most addicting substances I have many friends who have tried to quit but cant.

They must have not tried very hard. If they really want to quit they will. I quit cold turkey, I realize not everyone can do that; however, EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO QUIT CAN QUIT AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T IS A WEAKSAUCE ******-ASSED BITCH WITH NO WILLPOWER WHO ISN'T REALLY TRYING.


I have to say you are a conceded fool for saying us smokers are "weak"...Could you read that? Good now run along and play... Jackass

Son, son. Where shall I begin? Do I begin with your incorrect usage of the word conceded (I haven't conceded anything to you yet bitch) and tell you the word you are looking for is conceited which means "having an excessively high opinion of oneself" which I most definitely do... or do I amuse myself by ignoring your juvenile rantings and ravings which almost cover up the fact that you failed to add anything to the conversation other than to prove my point when you said; "yes its not that we cant quit its we don't want to quit, but it's not that simple."? Decisions decisions. Whatever shall I do?

I think I'll go with the ignore.

[LordAhriman]

In my experience, a scale of mental strength is a rather dubious concept, purported most often by those who have never found themselves on the low end of that very measure. I still find it strange that one has to compare himself to people with drug addictions, mental and social disorders, and weight problems - people with lives ruined in ways you may never understand - to make himself feel good.

Your ideas are ignorant; your apparent resolve to degenerate every single discussion you enter into juvenile name-calling do not help.

[Draix]

It's good you'll never try smoking UED77. The smell makes me want to puke also. Personally i believe that there's absolutely no reason to smoke. i don't even understand the whole "it makes you cool" thing because my school and more specifically my grade level doesn't think it's cool. Sure there are plenty of people who do it, but it's not something that people are standing around on school grounds asking if you want one.I did not start because i thought it was cool, sometimes my dear, stress makes you do thinks in my case take up smoking, it calms me down


try being nice..you started this so you're going to get opinions..you don't have to bite their heads off for giving you one.Yeah, i suppose im just an ass, but indeed i do apologise, i just don't like people saying how easy it is to quit.

Son, son. Where shall I begin? Do I begin with your incorrect usage of the word conceded (I haven't conceded anything to you yet bitch) and tell you the word you are looking for is conceited which means "having an excessively high opinion of oneself" which I most definitely do... or do I amuse myself by ignoring your juvenile rantings and ravings which almost cover up the fact that you failed to add anything to the conversation other than to prove my point when you said; "yes its not that we cant quit its we don't want to quit, but it's not that simple."? Decisions decisions. Whatever shall I do?First off you kinda contradicted yourself, IM glad that you agree that you are indeed conceded. But enough of that, shall I tell you why I believe you are conceded? First off you speak as though you are some great person with the "willpower" to quit, and you rave on about how you did it and such, it seems that you are trying to paint an image of how great you are because you quit so easy. Or did I take it the wrong way? Well, to me you seem conceded and it matters not if others do because IM basing this on MY opinion of you.

And you can't conceded to someone. In the end it does not matter if you are truly conceded or not, I do not know you in person and I have never talked to you outside this thread and based on what I have seen I believe you are conceded. Or perhaps it would be more adequate to say that you are self absorbed. Funny that you can say "Bitch" on Warboards, well since you said bitch I suppose it would be all right to tell you to go and Eat a cock, because IM sure you love to... Yeah IM probably gonna get banned for that.



you failed to add anything to the conversation other than to prove my point when you said; "yes its not that we cant quit its we don't want to quit, but it's not that simple."? Decisions decisions. Whatever shall I do?I hate to be even more of an ass, but I think your and idiot, yes I did say "we don't want to" and that's probably the only thing you looked at. I was saying quitting is like a fat person saying "i wanna lose weight" but never does it. Why? Because I assume that it is hard to give up the fast food and soda for them. Well, since you didn't get that one maybe ill put it in a way you might understand. First off this is not true and will most likely never be true so don't bitch. Lets say there is a man who likes hip hop, but no one else in his home likes it. So this guy tries to like rock or something, he listens to many rock albums by various artists but just can't get into it so he sticks to his hip hop. He does in a sense want to listen to different music, and he keeps telling himself that he wants to. But subconsciously he really doesn't because he likes that music so he "craves" it. Same could be said about cig's you want to quit it but your body craves the nicotine so it makes it very hard to quit. But im not so foolish to say its impossible or even near impossible. But if you are truly addicted it is indeed hard.

[Xenon]

And you can't conceded to someone. In the end it does not matter if you are truly conceded or not, I do not know you in person and I have never talked to you outside this thread and based on what I have seen I believe you are conceded.

Say whaaaa??!

Main Entry: con·cede
Pronunciation: k&n-'sEd
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): con·ced·ed; con·ced·ing
Etymology: French or Latin; French concéder, from Latin concedere, from com- + cedere to yield
transitive senses
1 : to grant as a right or privilege
2 a : to accept as true, valid, or accurate <the right of the state to tax is generally conceded> b : to acknowledge grudgingly or hesitantly
intransitive senses : to make concession : YIELD
synonym see GRANT
- con·ced·ed·ly /-'sE-d&d-lE/ adverb
- con·ced·er noun
source: www.merriamwebster.com

Main Entry: con·ceit·ed
Pronunciation: -'sE-t&d
Function: adjective
Etymology: 1conceit
1 : ingeniously contrived : FANCIFUL
2 : having an excessively high opinion of oneself
- con·ceit·ed·ly adverb
- con·ceit·ed·ness noun
source: www.merriamwebster.com

Look, I am not trying to give anyone a hard time really. You are the one who asked for opinions, and then I gave mine. My own honest opinion is that both fat people and smokers lack willpower which makes them weak in my opinion.

You specifically asked for my opinion in the first post in this thread when you said; "I just wanted to know what everyone's opinion was on smoking. I myself smoke, and unfortunately I cannot live without it. Though it has its ups it of course has it's downs. For one thing, after u smoke everything tastes like shit. But I was wondering what you all thought about it?" Since you asked for my opinion, I gave it. I even prefaced it by saying in my first post on this topic; "Since you asked, I will tell you. But first, allow me to preface my response to your question by saying this: I didn't read a single post after the first and original post. What I say may have been said before; I don't care. You asked for my opinion, so you'll get it."

Your response was to say; "I have to say you are a conceded fool for saying us smokers are "weak" you may have smoked, but you were lucky and were not very addicted. And don't give me all this "GET A GRIP" shit if you quit that easy then you were not addicted. I go a few hours without one and I get pissed so IM assuming IM addicted. So heres a little tip pal SMOKING IS DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE. Could you read that? Good now run along and play... Jackass"

Now, I gave you my honest opinion which you then attacked. Naturally, since I am a RealMan™ and don't back down from a challenge, I responded in kind. (That means, I decided to come down to your level and play your style of game). You started all of this with your first question, and then you continued it when you attacked me personally by saying I am a; "conceded (which doesn't make sense... I know you meant to say conceited and just don't know how to spell) fool and also a jackass" so don't get your panties in a bunch if I like your game and am better at it than you. If you want personal attacks, I am one of the kings of flaming. Ask DemonChild or AJ or anyone else who knows me well. I can be a nice person if you are a nice person, but if you attack me just expect to get attacked back.

Regardless, my opinion is still that anyone who doesn't quit smoking and says they want to but can't are weak spineless jellyfish who lack mental fortitude. I base my opinion on what I have personally experienced as well as what countless doctors and psychiatrists all agree with. If you are trying to quit smoking you first have to really want to quit smoking yourself first. It doesn't matter what method you use; the patch, cold turkey, gradual, hypnosis or any other gimmick. If you are trying to quit, you need to really want to quit. If you "can't" quit you either don't want to, or you lack the willpower.

[LordAhriman]

You put forth your opinions, we responded with ours.

[Dark_Magneto]

If you want to quit something more than anything, then you have to want to do so bad enough that you'd be willing to take the steps necessary to do so.

If you're hooked on smack, use a comedown method of cutting back or opiate substitutions to fight off withdrawal. It's never impossible to quit something, it just might be harder than the person is willing to try for.

[Draix]

Say whaaaa??!

Main Entry: con·cede
Pronunciation: k&n-'sEd
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): con·ced·ed; con·ced·ing
Etymology: French or Latin; French concéder, from Latin concedere, from com- + cedere to yield
transitive senses
1 : to grant as a right or privilege
2 a : to accept as true, valid, or accurate <the right of the state to tax is generally conceded> b : to acknowledge grudgingly or hesitantly
intransitive senses : to make concession : YIELD
synonym see GRANT
- con·ced·ed·ly /-'sE-d&d-lE/ adverb
- con·ced·er noun
source: www.merriamwebster.com (http://www.merriamwebster.com/)

Main Entry: con·ceit·ed
Pronunciation: -'sE-t&d
Function: adjective
Etymology: 1conceit
1 : ingeniously contrived : FANCIFUL
2 : having an excessively high opinion of oneself
- con·ceit·ed·ly adverb
- con·ceit·ed·ness nounHmmm, indeed I was spelling it wrong, I ment conceited to someone else. Sorry about the error,
Look, I am not trying to give anyone a hard time really. You are the one who asked for opinions, and then I gave mine. My own honest opinion is that both fat people and smokers lack willpower which makes them weak in my opinion.I suppose I took your opinion the wrong way, unfortunately that is how many bad things happen, people take it the wrong way.

You specifically asked for my opinion in the first post in this thread I just get pissed off easy, sorry about that, I need to cut down on being an ass.

Your response was to say; "I have to say you are a conceded fool for saying us smokers are "weak" You may have smoked, but you were lucky and were not very addicted. And don't give me all this "GET A GRIP" shit if you quit that easy then you were not addicted. I go a few hours without one and I get pissed so IM assuming IM addicted. So heres a little tip pal SMOKING IS DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE. Could you read that? Good now run along and play... Jackass"Yes i know that i started this whole flaming thing, and as stubborn as i am i think i shall formally apologize for that

Now, I gave you my honest opinion which you then attacked. Naturally, since I am a RealMan™ and don't back down from a challenge, I responded in kind. (That means, I decided to come down to your level and play your style of game). You started all of this with your first question, and then you continued it when you attacked me personally by saying I am a; "conceded (which doesn't make sense... I know you meant to say conceited and just don't know how to spell) fool and also a jackass"Godamnit I was hoping that we could put this whole insult BS behind us. Look you were the one who said "Conceded means to have a high opinion of ones self" so naturally i thought "hey i got it right" so in the end we are both dumbness who can't spell, i spelled it wrong the first time and you did not correct me with your reply, so after my next post you said "hey IM gonna be a baddass and go to www.merriamwebster.com (http://www.merriamwebster.com/) And prove him wrong, and you did I am not so foolish to stick to something when I have been proven wrong. But you did not know it as well, so in the end we both can't spell.

so don't get your panties in a bunch if I like your game and am better at it than you. If you want personal attacks, I am one of the kings of flaming. Ask DemonChild or AJ or anyone else who knows me well. I can be a nice person if you are a nice person, but if you attack me just expect to get attacked back.IM so scared, I dont care if your the "king of flaming" because I have not been insulted by you. All that you have done is corrected me on "conceded" which you had to go to a web site to look up so really you are not using your knowledge. Or am I wrong? The explain to me why you did not correct me in your first post? It seems you knew what I was saying.

Regardless, my opinion is still that anyone who doesn't quit smoking and says they want to but can't are weak spineless jellyfish who lack mental fortitude. I base my opinion on what I have personally experienced as well as what countless doctors and psychiatrists all agree with. If you are trying to quit smoking you first have to really want to quit smoking yourself first. It doesn't matter what method you use; the patch, cold turkey, gradual, hypnosis or any other gimmick. If you are trying to quit, you need to really want to quit. If you "can't" quit you either don't want to, or you lack the willpower.Ugh, IM not going to argue with you anymore because it will get us nowhere. No matter the evidence you will all ways see us smokers ass "weak" people. And no matter what you say I will all ways see you people as Conceited. Now your probably wondering why IM still calling you that. Well, ill tell you why I believe it is bad to have an extremely high opinion of yourself, because people like that think that the are "gods" and they are better then everyone, being conceited makes you an arrogant jackass, that is why I believe it is bad so it may not make sense to you, but remember you think differently then I do.

so don't get your panties in a bunch if I like your game and am better at it than you.Better? Your better? I have not taken anything you have said to be an insult. And OK so you corrected me on conceded, but you cheated and decided to look up what it means, as you can see all this is based on MY knowledge.

[Xenon]

Godamnit I was hoping that we could put this whole insult BS behind us. Look you were the one who said "Conceded means to have a high opinion of ones self" so naturally i thought "hey i got it right" so in the end we are both dumbness who can't spell, i spelled it wrong the first time and you did not correct me with your reply, so after my next post you said "hey IM gonna be a baddass and go to www.merriamwebster.com (http://www.merriamwebster.com/) And prove him wrong, and you did I am not so foolish to stick to something when I have been proven wrong. But you did not know it as well, so in the end we both can't spell.
ROFLMAO. Dude... do you smoke crack too, or just cigarettes? When you first used the word "conceded" in place of "conceited" I immediately said; "Do I begin with your incorrect usage of the word conceded (I haven't conceded anything to you yet bitch) and tell you the word you are looking for is conceited which means "having an excessively high opinion of oneself" which I most definitely do..."I also don't go to webster's online to look up the meanings... I went there to prove the meanings to you because you insisted on using the wrong word. LOL.

Jesus buddy, take some time to read things through and understand them before you fly off half-cocked looking for trouble.

The only dumbass here who can't spell is you. I can spell fine, and I even know what the hell the words mean! Imagine that!

IM so scared, I dont care if your the "king of flaming" because I have not been insulted by you. All that you have done is corrected me on "conceded" which you had to go to a web site to look up so really you are not using your knowledge. Or am I wrong? The explain to me why you did not correct me in your first post? It seems you knew what I was saying.
I did correct you in your first post. Now you can't spell and you can't count either. This just gets worse and worse.

No matter the evidence you will all ways see us smokers ass "weak" people.
I don't see smokers as "weak" people... I see them as idiots who continually poison their bodies for no reason. It isn't weak to keep doing something that's bad for you, it's dumb. It's only weak to rationalize doing something bad for you with excuses about how hard quitting is. Of course it's hard you moron, if it wasn't hard you wouldn't be addicted to it. What do you have in your head anyway? Marbles?

If you want to smoke don't make excuses about how hard it is to quit, just be a man about it. Say; "I don't give a fuck how bad smoking is for me! I don't care that it will cut years off my life and will degrade the quality of life I have left. I don't care that it's a sick disgusting gross habit that is ruining my life, costs me money and gives me absolutely nothing of value in return. I want to smoke, so I'm going to smoke. If I want to abuse my own body, that's my fucking business and nobody else's.".

And OK so you corrected me on conceded, but you cheated and decided to look up what it means, as you can see all this is based on MY knowledge.
Dude, you are a moron. Unbelieveable as this may sound, normal people do not have to look up words to know what they mean. Unless you are still in Elementary School you should know the difference between conceited and conceded.

You had a lot of spelling and grammatical errors in your last post, but it is too lugubrious a task for me to point them all out to you. --Lugubrious means exaggeratedly or affectedly mournful or dismal in case you don't know that word either.

Before any of you other chuckleheads say "lugubrious isn't an everyday word" I say to you; "Kiss my ass and suck my Dee-eye-see-kay, because I use it all the time in normal conversation. Just because you were brought up to be illiterate and uneducated doesn't mean I was."

[JenJen]

^^ okay he said he was being an ass forgive him..i have. so i think he's dumb for smoking least he knows when he's gone too far in being rude. lay off a bit.

[Xenon]

OK. But only because you're JenJen.

[GiaDragoness]

I need say one thing, and one thing only, for TheTruth.com speaks for itself. (lol, subtle joke)

:smash: Smashy Smashy! :smash:

[LordAhriman]

Innocent question Xenon - who the hell are you talking to when you use words like 'buffet' and 'lugubrious' in everyday conversation? :)

[Draix]

ROFLMAO. Dude... do you smoke crack too, or just cigarettes?Just cigs. :)

When you first used the word "conceded" in place of "conceited" I immediately said; "Do I begin with your incorrect usage of the word conceded (I haven't conceded anything to you yet bitch) and tell you the word you are looking for is conceited which means "having an excessively high opinion of oneself" which I most definitely do..."Well, you got me on that one. I misread, wasn't really paying a lot of attention.

I also don't Go to webster's online to look up the meanings... I went there to prove the meanings to you because you insisted on using the wrong word. LOL.

Ugh, i don't see why you have to if i truly wanted to know i would go to the website myself

Jesus buddy, take some time to read things through and understand them before you fly off half-cocked looking for trouble.What can I say I'm a REAL MAN as you call yourself. Trouble is my middle name.

The only dumbass here who can't spell is you. I can spell fine, and I even know what the hell the words mean! Imagine that!Before you lecture me about my bad spelling habits. Why don't you cut back on your use of acronyms. Its mind numbing. And I'm sure you know what those are. And all I did was say "you cant conceded to someone else" which I now know is spelled conceited. Thank you by the way.

I did correct you in your first post. Now you can't spell and you can't count either. This just gets worse and worse.Ugh, it was a simple mistake but I suppose you are trying to prove to me that you are the "king of flaming" get over yourself. I take nothing you say as insulting. Ill admit I'm a tad pissed that I spelled conceited wrong only because you took that as an opportunity to attack my ability to spell. Sometimes my friend we have to overlook the small mistakes and look at the meaning. Since you knew what I was talking about why did you correct me? To make yourself look big? I'm to blame as well because I tried to do the same thing. But I guess I'm not a big enough jackass eh?

I don't see smokers as "weak" people... I see them as idiots who continually poison their bodies for no reason. It isn't weak to keep doing something that's bad for you, it's dumb. It's only weak to rationalize doing something bad for you with excuses about how hard quitting is. Of course it's hard you moron, if it wasn't hard you wouldn't be addicted to it. What do you have in your head anyway? Marbles?Then what are we arguing? The whole reason I started this was because you said how weak people are who bitch about how hard it is to quit and try to rationalize doing something bad for you. And I took it the wrong way unfortunately. Why did you not say after I called you a jackass for calling us weak, "hey man I was saying people who want to quit and try to rationalize it are weak not the people who don't want to quit" well maybe you did and I just didn't see it? I would think that after all you have done to try and insult me you would say "i SAID people who try to rationalize it are weak, not people who smoke and don't give a shit about it." But you didn't because all you are trying to do is prove that you are the "flaming king." I hate to say this but you are calling yourself dumb because smoking week is bad for you as well yet you still do it.

If you want to smoke don't make excuses about how hard it is to quit, just be a man about it. Say; "I don't give a fuck how bad smoking is for me! I don't care that it will cut years off my life and will degrade the quality of life I have left. I don't care that it's a sick disgusting gross habit that is ruining my life, costs me money and gives me absolutely nothing of value in return. I want to smoke, so I'm going to smoke. If I want to abuse my own body, that's my fucking business and nobody else's.".In most cases I do. But I took your whole "weak" think a tad to offensive so I jumped the gun.

Dude, you are a moron. Unbelieveable as this may sound, normal people do not have to look up words to know what they mean. Unless you are still in Elementary School you should know the difference between conceited and conceded.If I'm as dumb as you say why do you have to prove it to me? If I was dead set at proving you wrong I would just look it up. PLUS I know what the difference is between conceded and conceited, I just spelled it wrong you self absorbed piece of shit. Plus you spelled Unbelievable wrong, perhaps a typo? Now don't get all ruffled over that and point out all the things i spelled wrong I'm just trying to help you out.

You had a lot of spelling and grammatical errors in your last post, but it is too lugubrious a task for me to point them all out to you. --Lugubrious means exaggeratedly or affectedly mournful or dismal in case you don't know that word either.Actually I did not know that word, thanks for the tip. And for the record I do not go about trying to be smart, I use words I know (I know what conceited means I just wasn't sure how it was spelled) so I spelled it wrong so what?

Before any of you other chuckleheads say "lugubrious isn't an everyday word" I say to you; "Kiss my ass and suck my Dee-eye-see-kay, because I use it all the time in normal conversation. Just because you were brought up to be illiterate and uneducated doesn't mean I was.Lets clear this up shall we? First off you have turned this into a battle of Character the only thing I can see that I have done was spell conceited wrong. I will tell you now yes I am not so good with English, I have an IP (I think it's IP either that or IEP not so sure) with that subject and if you are gonna bitch to me about me being a dumbass go ahead then I am correct you are indeed a jackass. And it doesn't mean I am uneducated I just have trouble with that subject.

God I need a cigarette, I grow tired of you pseudo intellectuals.

[So_Dam_Insane]

I need say one thing, and one thing only, for TheTruth.com speaks for itself Those Anti-Smoking groups are just a bunch of hippies exaggerating the risks of smoking. Yes, I know it kills you and I know its costs a lot of money. I don't care, If I smoke, let me get on with my life(even if that life is shortend by my habit) without having to deal with you idiots who have nothing better to do then raise taxes on cigaretts and say "Its for the greater good" Shut up. You're all a bunch of stuck up shit heads.


ROFLMAO. Dude... do you smoke crack too, or just cigarettes?You're one funny son of a bitch, arent you?


Before any of you other chuckleheads say "lugubrious isn't an everyday word" I say to you; "Kiss my ass and suck my Dee-eye-see-kay, because I use it all the time in normal conversation. Just because you were brought up to be illiterate and uneducated doesn't mean I was."Lugubrious isn't an everyday word dipshit. Stop trying to dazzel everyone with your "extensive vocabulary." Nobody cares. I myself am considered by others to be Intelligent (oh and, don't bother trying to respond with something childish like "Then those people must be really dumb LOL!!!!111.") I speak with people who are more "educated" then you will ever be on a daily basis. They don't use unecessary words like lugubrious. Is it because they are stupid? No. It's because they don't want to ruin a normal convorsation by throwing words that could otherwise not be used. It's not that no one understands the word, It's because people have a different way of communicating and the way my friends and I communicate could be called... well robust.

I'm not saying you're in anyway less or more intelligent for using bigger words in your convorsations. I really don't care. If thats how you communicate, then more power to ya, But when you go off saying all thats stuff about one being "uneducated" because one doesn't use the word Lugubrious excessevly that really makes my blood boil. Also Draix clearly stated "I make spelling mistakes because I don't care enough to pay attention to what I'm doing, and or not doing. He might not have said it outright like that, but that is the point he has been trying to get across. You think you're such a badass because everyone saw how you "baffled draix with your witty remarks and intelligent response, oh and don't forget the great spelling and grammer LOL!!!!!!1111."

Whats up with the ROFLMAO shit anyway? Are you to stupid or inept to use whole words? I don't ever have use acronyms when I'm talking/writing to people, I guess that makes me Head Hancho of this thread (Thats basically how you make yourself sound to others.)

As for smoking. I smoke on and off. Sometimes ill smoke one month, take two months off, then smoke again. It really depends on how stressed I feel. I too can quit overnight, but I dont Idolize myself by saying people who try to quit and fail to do so have a weaker willpower then myown. Xenon, You are the epitome of narcissism. When I read your first post I thought "Hey, he's just giving his opinion. It's not like hes insulting anyone directly."After reading the rest of your mindless ranting I found you to be a complete and utter dipshit. Don't get me wrong, Draix said some stupid shit too, but at least he has the balls to admit that he was wrong, and even to apologize to your worthless ass. Everyone fucks up, your are just some spiteful jerkoff who tries to exploit every little error people make. I would pitty you If I gave a shit.


^^ okay he said he was being an ass forgive him..i have. so i think he's dumb for smoking least he knows when he's gone too far in being rude. lay off a bit.OK. But only because you're JenJenThanks for shutting him up.

Innocent question Xenon - who the hell are you talking to when you use words like 'buffet' and 'lugubrious' in everyday conversation?His friends. Obviously.

[Xenon]

You're right So_Dam_Insane. I don't know why I bother trying to explain things to children. They aren't going to get it because they just don't have the experiences necessary to understand other people's points of view. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that most of you are teenagers. Now, I have nothing against teenagers at all; in fact, I used to be one. However, teenagers do think they know it all and because they haven't experienced very much at all in their lives if it doesn't fall into the category of their own experiences then they believe it just isn't so.

I'll give this one more shot, and then I'll stop trying to educate you guys.

1) I don't use "big words" to sound important or to intimidate or to impress anyone. I use "big words" because they are the proper way to express oneself in the English language. The modern vernacular is much degraded from proper English. That means, all the slang we use is a polyglot of different languages and regions and isn't really English at all. Wherever possible I try to use correct English when trying to communicate my thoughts to others. I speak the way I was taught to speak. Clearly and concisely. Try listening to an international news station like the BBC News or the CBC News and you will hear more-or-less the correct way to talk. Note that I did not mention any American television stations because as a rule, Americans don't know how to speak English; they speak a hybrid version of English which is not proper English.

2) Draik: Just because you didn't take the time to comprehend what I was writing doesn't mean I didn't express the fact that I believe people who say they want to quit and don't are weak. As well, you don't need to comment on each line and then get mad all over again when you come to another line in the same paragraph which continues my original train of thought. I'm not there to respond and accept your apologies the first time you make them, so when I continue the train and you get mad all over again because I am not finished with one sentence it just makes you look like a person with Attention Deficit Disorder.

3) LordAhriman : There exists a certain class of people with good private-school educations who employ this type of laguage on a daily basis. I personally do not necessarily belong to this elect group of individuals, however, I was raised in a private-school atmosphere and I do work with and interact with some of these people on a daily basis. Therefore, I endeavor to enunciate myself in a manner in which they feel comfortable. If it is easier for you I can dumb my speech down and talk like most of the people here using incorrect grammar and a large amount of abbreviations and misspellings etc.

4) So_Dam_Insane: I am going to take only one of your paragraphs and correct some of it. Just look at this paragraph and apply to the rest of them.

Lugubrious isn't an everyday word dipshit. Stop trying to dazzel (dazzle") everyone with your "extensive vocabulary." Nobody cares. I myself am considered by others to be Intelligent (No need to capitalize "Intelligent") (oh and, don't bother trying to respond with something childish like "Then those people must be really dumb LOL!!!!111.") I speak with people who are more "educated" then you will ever be on a daily basis. They don't use unecessary (unnecessary is spelled with two "n's" --probably just a typo, right?) words like lugubrious. Is it because they are stupid? No. It's because they don't want to ruin a normal convorsation (conversation) by throwing words that could otherwise not be used. It's not that no one understands the word, It's because people have a different way of communicating and the way my friends and I communicate could be called... well robust.
You communicate your way, and I'll communicate in mine. Both ways are acceptable. For your information (I would have put in FYI to save time and space since we both know what it means, but since you don't like acronyms...), there is no such thing as an "unnecessary word". Words are what they are. As long as you use a word in the right context it can never be "unnecessary". It's actually quite humorous that this particular conversation has become a discussion on semantics.

[Draix]

1) I don't use "big words" to sound important or to intimidate or to impress anyone. I use "big words" because they are the proper way to express oneself in the English language. The modern vernacular is much degraded from proper English. That means, all the slang we use is a polyglot of different languages and regions and isn't really English at all. Wherever possible I try to use correct English when trying to communicate my thoughts to others. I speak the way I was taught to speak. Clearly and concisely. Try listening to an international news station like the BBC News or the CBC News and you will hear more-or-less the correct way to talk. Note that I did not mention any American television stations because as a rule, Americans don't know how to speak English; they speak a hybrid version of English which is not proper English.I never assumed you did, I myself like to speak proper English. But as you have pointed out I have not done it 100% right, I guess I should just stop right? It's talk like that, that makes people say "fuck it I'm not gonna try to use proper English because whenever I make a mistake jackasses like Xenon take advantage of it and try to make themselves look big guy showing how smart they think they are" you should encourage proper English not discourage it. Sure I started this by calling you a jackass, but I would think since you are such an educated person you would not come down to my level and try to be a tough guy. I'm not gonna add "so I guess your just an idiot" because clearly you are not, so why don't you do the "proper" thing and simply correct me? But no you have to go and be a jackass and try to piss me off. The reason I called you a "Pseudo intellectual" is because it seems you are trying to prove how smart you are. Perhaps I'm wrong and if I am I do apologize.

2) Draik: Just because you didn't take the time to comprehend what I was writing doesn't mean I didn't express the fact that I believe people who say they want to quit and don't are weak. As well, you don't need to comment on each line and then get mad all over again when you come to another line in the same paragraph which continues my original train of thought. I'm not there to respond and accept your apologies the first time you make them, so when I continue the train and you get mad all over again because I am not finished with one sentence it just makes you look like a person with Attention Deficit Disorder.IT'S DRAIX GODAMN IT. Just playing that is without a doubt a typo so don't get pissed, I'm just giving you a hard time :) And the reason I quote you on everything is because I want you to know about what I think about EVERYTHING you said not just what I can answer. At least if I'm wrong I can admit it, I believe that is the proper thing to do. And I don't care what I look like, I will most likely never know you or anyone else here in person.

3) LordAhriman : There exists a certain class of people with good private-school educations who employ this type of laguage on a daily basis. I personally do not necessarily belong to this elect group of individuals, however, I was raised in a private-school atmosphere and I do work with and interact with some of these people on a daily basis. Therefore, I endeavor to enunciate myself in a manner in which they feel comfortable. If it is easier for you I can dumb my speech down and talk like most of the people here using incorrect grammar and a large amount of abbreviations and misspellings etcNow your just being an ass, I do dumb my speech if I feel people don't understand it. As you said we speak an improper English, so It's not there fault. We should be considerate of other people. Talking to people in proper English when they don't understand it is just selfish. If you are not out to prove anything then why does it matter if you dumb it down or not? Well, that's just how I feel.

4) So_Dam_Insane: I am going to take only one of your paragraphs and correct some of it. Just look at this paragraph and apply to the rest of them.WHEN THE HELL DID THIS BECOME A DAMN BATTLE OF WITS?! I mean look at what we are saying, not how we spell or use improper English. That just makes me think that all you can prove is you have better spelling/grammer then us. STAY ON TOPIC. Make a different thread about spelling/grammer if that's all you want to talk about. Look at the message man.


You communicate your way, and I'll communicate in mine. Both ways are acceptable. For your information (I would have put in FYI to save time and space since we both know what it means, but since you don't like acronyms...), there is no such thing as an "unnecessary word". Words are what they are. As long as you use a word in the right context it can never be "unnecessary". It's actually quite humorous that this particular conversation has become a discussion on semantics.Then don't talk about proper English, because I know "LOL" is not proper English. Don't take it offensive by any means, I, m trying to end this flame thing we got going on. Yes, you have proven me wrong a few times, find joy in that. If I were you and caught what I said I would just sit back and take pleasure in the fact that this guy just made a complete ass of himself.

I'm gonna end this post by saying I apologize for being an ass so you don't get all worked up again. I made a mistake so what? It happens to the best of us. You shouldn't get all pissed you knew damn well what I meant when I said you were conceited, and you agreed with me, you should not waste your time and look at my whole thing for errors. All you are doing is making yourself look like a self absorbed ass who has no life. If you know what I was talking about why don't you stay on topic and comment on what I had to say. Not the mistakes I made with spelling/grammer. But I do apologize, I put a lot of BS in the posts just because I thought you were a deuch bag. Now shall we stay on topic since I cleared the who mess up? If you respond with another godamn post showing my errors, I'm just gonna give up because then I know you are an idiot who is trying to keep this mindless spelling/grammer thing alive.

[LordAhriman]

No, Xenon, I think I can understand - especially when you reduce your fine, proper speech to the level of calling people "weaksauce faggots." Step off your high horse.

[Xenon]

NOTICE TO ALL.

im sorry for being such a jerk adn jackass. juist forget everything i sayed about clear writing and english and evrything.

i still stand by the point i made earlier that people whoo say they want to quit and make egscuzez bout it wen they dont are week. they r just lieing 2 themselfs.

lets all get back on topic and discuss how lame smokers r.

[GiaDragoness]

Those Anti-Smoking groups are just a bunch of hippies exaggerating the risks of smoking. Yes, I know it kills you and I know its costs a lot of money. I don't care, If I smoke, let me get on with my life(even if that life is shortend by my habit) without having to deal with you idiots who have nothing better to do then raise taxes on cigaretts and say "Its for the greater good" Shut up. You're all a bunch of stuck up shit heads.

Whats up with the ROFLMAO shit anyway? Are you to stupid or inept to use whole words? I don't ever have use acronyms when I'm talking/writing to people, I guess that makes me Head Hancho of this thread (Thats basically how you make yourself sound to others.)
First of all, if anyone here is just going to start throwing around random insults, i think we should get a mod in here to shut this thread down and temp ban a few flaming jerks. So please let's act with a bit of civility shall we?

Second, TheTruth.com do not exagurate. All their facts and records are accurate results of tests done by federal sources. While they may only tell the side that would scare you, the other side to the argument for smoking is, well, very dismal at best.

Third, about the second paragraph i quoted you on, it's called internet slang. So sit down, shut up, and get used to it, or get off the internet. LOL means laugh out loud, ROFL means roll on floor laughing, and LMAO means laugh my ass off. It's what someone types when they think something just typed or done is funny.

Forth and finnally, I actually know how it feels to be on the end getting the persecution. I used to smoke myself as a challange from a friend. I took up smoking for 4 months then quit to prove a bet we had going, but she never held up her end of the bargain and quit like she said she would. Anyways, things like my mouth and gums would hurt at the end of the day, i would constantly have headaches or be dizzy all ended about a month after i stopped, so yes. I know what it was like to smoke cigs, I know what addiction is like, I just have to many better things to do than empty my bank account to slowly poisen myself, no matter what kind of feeling I got off of it.

:smash: Smashy Smashy! :smash:

[Draix]

NOTICE TO ALL.

im sorry for being such a jerk adn jackass. juist forget everything i sayed about clear writing and english and evrything.

i still stand by the point i made earlier that people whoo say they want to quit and make egscuzez bout it wen they dont are week. they r just lieing 2 themselfs.

lets all get back on topic and discuss how lame smokers r.LAME?! Oh well I'ts your opinion :concern:

Indeed, I apologise as well, that whole spelling grammer thing was greatly my fault. I guess me Xenon have something in common. We are both stubborn :)

Plus i don't think you have to dumb it down that much.

[Xenon]

Plus i don't think you have to dumb it down that much.it duznt rilly madder tho bee cuz acording 2 u giys, all that madders is if u cin undersrand wut sum1 s saying rite i mean hoo cares about punctatin adn speling as liong as ppl no wut im saying id duznt mader anywayz im guna keep posting liek this beecuz its kinda fun if you no wut i mean so how wus ur day 2day i think we can all just get along an stop the flaming and the argumentating an dont wurry im not condescending 2 u at all ne more im not even beeing cuntseeded to beecuz that just grows.

[Draix]

it duznt rilly madder tho bee cuz acording 2 u giys, all that madders is if u cin undersrand wut sum1 s saying rite i mean hoo cares about punctatin adn speling as liong as ppl no wut im saying id duznt mader anywayz im guna keep posting liek this beecuz its kinda fun if you no wut i mean so how wus ur day 2day i think we can all just get along an stop the flaming and the argumentating an dont wurry im not condescending 2 u at all ne more im not even beeing cuntseeded to beecuz that just grows.JUST LET IT GO. I apologised for my actions, the least you could do is stop being a smartass.

[Xenon]

wut teh hell r u talkning about? im not trying 2 make a point here im jus disgusting teh topik. Did u no that TYPING IN ALL CAPITOLS ON TEH INTREWEBNET IS TEH SAME AS SCREEMING? WEN U STOP SCREEMING AT ME, ILL STOP DIS SHCHZERADE.

Smoking is bad 4 u. If u smoke, ur going 2 hell. Ching Chong Mazzerfokker. I pwn j00. u wEEK lidle crybaybee.

[Draix]

Fine, but all you are doing is proving that you are indeed a pseudo intellectual. I thought you were mature? You are acting like a child. Well im gonna end this, do as you wish, just don't say how smart you are. Because a smart person would not lower him/herself to this level.

[Xenon]

Actually, I never claimed to be mature. I claimed to be intelligent, which is different. ^^

This is my playground. I'll play in it the way I want to. As far as being a "pseudo intellectual" goes, aren't we all just pseudo intellectuals? If we were real intellectuals, we wouldn't be posting at WB while the world burns. We'd be in a Jazz Bar sipping latte and criticizing the poet reading on stage while holding a conversation with some pompous idiots discussing the merits of post-modernism in a nihilistic environment managed by anarchists.

[So_Dam_Insane]

NOTICE TO ALL.

im sorry for being such a jerk adn jackass. juist forget everything i sayed about clear writing and english and evrything.

i still stand by the point i made earlier that people whoo say they want to quit and make egscuzez bout it wen they dont are week. they r just lieing 2 themselfs.
lets all get back on topic and discuss how lame smokers r.
Look. I just wrote a huge response, and when I tried to post it, it just disspeared. So instead of rewriting all of it I'm just going to say this. I didn't mean to freak out at you. I was in a very bitter mood when I wrote that. Let's just drop the whole thing and try to restore some decency to this thread. Just stop it with the sarcasim.


Fine, but all you are doing is proving that you are indeed a pseudo intellectual. I thought you were mature? You are acting like a child. Well im gonna end this, do as you wish, just don't say how smart you are. Because a smart person would not lower him/herself to this level.

You are both acting childish. Get your heads out of your asses.


Actually, I never claimed to be mature. I claimed to be intelligent, which is different. ^^

This is my playground. I'll play in it the way I want to. As far as being a "pseudo intellectual" goes, aren't we all just pseudo intellectuals? If we were real intellectuals, we wouldn't be posting at WB while the world burns. We'd be in a Jazz Bar sipping latte and criticizing the poet reading on stage while holding a conversation with some pompous idiots discussing the merits of post-modernism in a nihilistic environment managed by anarchists.

Ha ha, funny shit.

[hammocksleeper]

We'd be in a Jazz Bar sipping latte and criticizing the poet reading on stage while holding a conversation with some pompous idiots discussing the merits of post-modernism in a nihilistic environment managed by anarchists.
Dude! There's a Poe reading contest this weekend. Wanna come?

[Xenon]

I would, but not if it's in Richmond, VA.

[LordAhriman]

http://img53.exs.cx/img53/6476/thexenon.jpg

[Xenon]

I was specifically asked by AJ and Dunchy to liven up the Intellectual Roundtable.

your style does little to disguise the fact that you are thoroughly arrogant person who does his best to focus on the most superficial and inconsequential points of any discussion

Don't belive everything you read. Perhaps it is all an act? Perhaps it isn't. I leave it up to you to draw your own conclusions.

And so what are you doing now? Ah hmmm. A spot of black on your kettle there? Actually LordAhriman, I am a very arrogant person. So what? When did arrogance become a crime? Did you know that many many many successful people are arrogant? The meek shall inherit the earth, but only after the arrogant have wrung every last good thing from it. Then the meek may inherit the earth at our pleasure. After all, it won't be any more good to the arrogant. I'll make no apologies for arrogance.

you believe you are smarter, better, and so clever in speech that simply by reading what you have to say we are rendered totally incapable of responding.

Actually I couldn't have put it better. Thanks. Yes. I believe I am smarter, better and faster than most of the people here. Again, I say; "So what?" I'm entitled to my own opinion, just as you are entitled to my own opinion too. However, I must say that I am somewhat chagrined that you were able to respond to any of my posts because I really honestly did believe it would stun you into utter speechlessness. I mean, it's such a logical conclusion I don't know how anyone could miss it. Everything you say is 110% right. You truly are a prince amongst peons.

[JenJen]

wow this has gotten way off topic..

[LordAhriman]

Actually LordAhriman, I am a very arrogant personAnd so am I - to the point of narcissism, even. I am often disgusted by my self-absorbed tendencies; this I will admit freely. I have never apologized and will never apologize for this; it is who I am, though perhaps augmented by the fact that I am but a fifteen year old. I do not, however, make any attempt to flaunt whatever supposed talents or attributes I might have, seeking to inflate my ego, to people I will never know over the great medium of the Internet.

However, I must say that I am somewhat chagrined that you were able to respond to any of my posts because I really honestly did believe it would stun you into utter speechlessness.Forgive me, O theXenon! Your humility is apparent in every word you type - especially the ones you purposefully misspell to poke fun at how you believe we speak. I should really follow in your example and raise myself up on high on a platform of raw superiority because I know the correct spelling and usage of the word 'conceited.'

You have made the assumption several times that I, or others, do not understand what you say. Trust me - we do. I will provide quotes if necessary.

[Xenon]

Bravo!

I quite enjoyed your caricatures. Can you do more? Or is the well of creativity now dry?

As far as assumptions go however, I believe you are making quite a large one in assuming I do any of this for purposes of self-aggrandizement.

I do not, however, make any attempt to flaunt whatever supposed talents or attributes I might have, seeking to inflate my ego, to people I will never know over the great medium of the Internet.

So uh... what are you doing right now? You're attempting to prove to at least one person that you are my equal if not superior. If you had no wish to inflate your own ego, you would shut your mouth and not say anything. Everyone here wants to stroke and be stroked. Otherwise they'd just lurk.

In the interests of not completely ruining Draix's thread, I'd be more than happy to deal with your issues of feeling overlooked and incompetent when compared to the world-famous Xenon in another thread. I am however, finished babysitting you in this one.

Sorry Draix. I appologize for my uncouth friend here who insists on trying to extend this particualr off-topic path.

Yes. So anyway. Smoking sucks.

[LordAhriman]

is the well of creativity now dry?Oh, never. :)

So uh... what are you doing right now? You're attempting to prove to at least one person that you are my equal if not superior. If you had no wish to inflate your own ego, you would shut your mouth and not say anything.I was waiting for you to say this - and it's where you're wrong. You do place quite a bit of emphasis on saying, "well, that's my opinion," when you are criticized. It is my opinion that your comments are too out of place, too vulgar and high-and-mighty in tone for this discussion. That doesn't mean I'm trying to prove that mine are - they aren't. I'm not saying a damned thing about smoking.

In fact, what I'm trying to get at is: we're all the same. I think each of us is just as intelligent, or at least just as capable to add something to this discussion, as any other.

I want to say one last thing: I don't hate you, or even particularly dislike you. This is, after all, the internet. You clearly have quite a bit to say, I just think you say it in the wrong way.

If you want to carry on, do so with a PM.

[Draix]

Bravo!In the interests of not completely ruining Draix's thread, I'd be more than happy to deal with your issues of feeling overlooked and incompetent when compared to the world-famous Xenon in another thread. I am however, finished babysitting you in this one.
Sorry Draix. I appologize for my uncouth friend here who insists on trying to extend this particualr off-topic path.
Yes. So anyway. Smoking sucks.Indeed, LordAhriman this has gone on far enough. I apologized to Xenon, and he did as well. now I'm going to say, THIS ENDS NOW. No more off topic discussions we have flamed each other enough. LordAhriman I know how you feel, I was there a day or two ago. But this has gotten WAY off topic can we please be civilized and put this mess behind us? If I see one more of these "battle of wits" post between anyone in here I shall lock this thread!

Though that comic you made was quite funny. Not the fact that it was Xenon, it was just how you drew it. Haha funny stuff.

[So_Dam_Insane]

Funny stuff you guys. But Xenon is right. If someone were to be interested in expressing their opinion on this thread, they would read all the flaming that's going on and either contribute to these pointless arguments, or they would just leave. So for the sake of this thread, and the Intellectual Roundtable itself Lets stay on topic shall we?

Actually LordAhriman, I am a very arrogant person.And so am I As much as I hate to say it. Arrogance is a big part of being successful. If you want to get ahead in life, you need to think that you are number 1. I know that has nothing to do with this thread. I just
thought I would say that.

[GiaDragoness]

That does it, i'm getting the hell off this thread.

:smash: Smashy Smashy! :smash: