God In The Machine?

[Frattimonde]

I have a grand question.

Does anyone have a link to a site about the greek play,
"Deus Ex Machina"?

The God In The Machine, which was supposedly a tale about a crisis solved through the Invention of a god.

So does anyone know a link to the full tale?

Or can someone whom read It tell me "specificly" about the tale of this "god"?

I would be grateful.

EDIT:// (Question has been answered by Cygnus)

New question, (slightly outside of this subject).

Do you think a true AI would be possible to create?

[Cygnus]

There is no specific tale entitled "Deus Ex Machina", it's more a way to end a play. Literally a god would come down and solve an seemingly unsolvable problem. Here's a more in depth explanation (and some modern examples). (http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/deus%20ex%20machina)

The greek playwrite, Euripides, is well known for using deus ex machina in his plays and is the person who the term is usually associated with. I really don't know the specifics of the plays though, but I hope this helps you on your search.

EDIT: Here's a quickly searched link that lists his surviving plays. (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0817871.html)

[Frattimonde]

There is no specific tale in entitled "Deus Ex Machina", it's more a way to end a play. Literally a god would come down and solve an seemingly unsolvable problem. Here's a more in depth explanation (and some modern examples). (http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/deus%20ex%20machina)

The greek playwrite, Euripides, is well known for using deus ex machina in his plays and is the person who the term is usually associated with. I really don't know the specifics of the plays though, but I hope this helps you on your search. Very well, that concludes what I was looking for.

Thank you very much.

But still, I´ve a strange familar feeling about this "Deus Ex Machina".

I´ve seen signs of this concept In the game Deus Ex,
where the humans invented a god to solve a crisis.

An Artifical Intelligens to be more specific, the possible
"God In The Machine".

Anyone ever played that game?

I also see a certain touch of this concept In the Matrix movies,
you know the "Artitect" seems also like a possible "Deus Ex Machina".

Although he solved a crisis for the machines, and not the humans.

[Cygnus]

Sadly, I've never played the game but friend has though.

And yes you're correct. Neo though if you think about it was the god who in the end would save the matrix. In the end of Revolutions Neo sacrifices himself and solves the impossible... thus he's a deus ex machina.

Ironically though Neo wasn't the first one, and nor probably would he be the last. My question is this, how did Zion fit into everything if there were pervious messiahs for the humans? Was the man who started the matrix, mentioned my Morpheus in the first movie, the previous "one"? Perhaps then in Revolutions Neo breaks the cycle that had been going on? Or is what he did still a part of the pattern?

There is so much details mashed into the three films.

[Frattimonde]

To Cygnus:

Hmm, yes true.

It´s very possible that Neo would be meant as the "Deus Ex" of the movies,
and "Smith" would be the crisis that he would have to solve.

So yes, you speak very true.

And I also wonder about Zion, It´s so confuseing.

Say, have you still any conclusion of how Zion might fit In?

[Cygnus]

Well I personally always believed that in the end the real world was actually a Matrix-in-a-Matrix. But in the end that would only continue to bring back the question of "is this the real world?" That isn't a really good way to make a movie for the masses so I guess the way they presented is alright. But you never know... :D

Personally I like to recall the part from the first movie where Smith tells Morpheus how that some people could never accept the programming of the perfect, heavenly world, so the machines had to make the people believe they were living in an actual, "real" human world. But what if people didn't accept this world? What if you would create a safetly net? A fake "real world" matrix ontop of the origional one in order to make sure that those who didn't accept the first matrix's programming could still be controlled and used.

What if though someone realized this? Maybe that's why Neo able to stop the machines in the end of Reloaded?

We'll never really know though since the movies were made the way they were. Although Neo realizing this would have made an awsome ending to the third movie... That when he beats Smith, perhaps coming to the realization that all he thought was real was not, he becomes unplugged from the second-level matrix.

Now that, would have been a shocker.

[Frattimonde]

Indeed, a very cool ending that would have been.

But what would happen to Neo when he becomes unplugged from the second level Matrix?

Would he reach a higher level, and become closer to a "god" or a
"truly aware human"?

Or something else, but what In that case?

[Modred]

I'm not sure that Neo's sacrifice would qualify as deus ex machina. As you said Cyg, the phrase refers to having a god descend and save the protagonist or solve a problem that appears to be impossible without divine intervention. I beleive the actual phrase originates in that wires and a pulley system would be used (hence "the machine") to lower an actor onto the stage, save the day, and then retreat to the heavens. Although I'm not sure of how that would be used in a greek theater, so I might be mistaken there. Should go check my lit book.

However, I don't believe The Matrix films fit this ending. Firstly, Neo, and the development of his powers as the one, are seen consistently throughout the three films. What I mean to say, is that you can track his progress as he comes to realize exactly what he is. Secondly, his powers make it feasible that he could end the problem, which he does. Perhaps I am being a bit narrow in my definition, but it just appears that if Neo is the protagonist, when he saves the world it is not through deus ex machina but rather through a typical "hero beats the bad guy" (albeit in a round-about way).

[Cygnus]

Point taken Modred but check out my first link the my earlier post, there are a lot of Deus ex Machinas in modern literature as well as movies. To me I guess I look at Neo sacrificing himself and restarting the Matrix (thus saving the day for everyone) kind of consitutes as a ex Machina for me.

I could be wrong of course.

[Frattimonde]

Well, now that´s settled.

I have an other question.

In what year do think we might be able to create a true AI?

"A God In The Machine".