Hard comp

[Keisuke-kun]

Is it just me or is my comp like really hard. About 8 minutes into the game terrans rush me with bats (around 5) rines (around 15) and medics (around 4). Me as the zerg can't hold off this attack even with a lot of lings and some haydra. I surivived this attack once only for them to cover the entire map in the next 15 minutes and wiping me out like 15 minutes after that. Is the comp normaly that hard? I haven't played for a bit (5 months) cause Im in japan. Im sure that if I was the terran I could beat the comp but I like being zerg for fun. On a side note I despise the toss.

[Twitt]

It's just you. For future reference, don't post these threads. You're not even asking a question ffs.

[Zeltaris]

Trust me, it's just you. I have taken on three comps as a Zerg actually. This BO works wonders for me:
-9 Extractor
-8 Drone
-9 Pool
When pool is done, morph into lair, instantly
While lair is morphing, build hydralisk den
-Overlord
-Drone
-Drone
When lair is done, immediately develop lurker aspect
Train 3-4 Hydralisks
When lurker aspect is finished, just morph your hydras into lurkers, expand and go kick some terran ass :P

Of course, I want to make it clear that this is an anti-comp only build, and it will not work against human players. And anyway... why are you playing against comps?

On a side note, I hate Terrans

[Twitt]

You shouldn't post either.


Wheres the shaking my head in disgust and lack of sympathy emoticon?

:twitt:

There we go....-_-;;

[thefazant]

damn, if only i could take on 3 comps.
zeltaris, do you have any tips or build orders to take on 3 comps as toss?

[okplayer]

make sunkens to stop them

[Basan]

Or get the Racine's AI upgrade out of the (SC) system. :poke: I tried it n' it's similar 2 what u've told us here... get's u in ackward positions, doesn' it? :devil:
The older versions of it didn't uninstall by themselves, u had 2 reinstall SC! :lame:

Detail map, what u've done in the game (early scout n' expand), etc. ;)
Maybe a brush on ur 'Cerebrate' skills would do some good either. :angel:

[Sambo83]

Why would he want to upgrade the comp AI when he can't beat the normal comp?

[Staind]

The upgraded comp AI wasn't that hard to beat either.

[Jorix]

sigh. i dont understand how people can be this dumb --

[Keisuke-kun]

Trust me, it's just you. I have taken on three comps as a Zerg actually. This BO works wonders for me:
-9 Extractor
-8 Drone
-9 Pool
When pool is done, morph into lair, instantly
While lair is morphing, build hydralisk den
-Overlord
-Drone
-Drone
When lair is done, immediately develop lurker aspect
Train 3-4 Hydralisks
When lurker aspect is finished, just morph your hydras into lurkers, expand and go kick some terran ass :P

Of course, I want to make it clear that this is an anti-comp only build, and it will not work against human players. And anyway... why are you playing against comps?

On a side note, I hate Terrans
hmm. Only thing I didn't do was upgrade to lair. Ill try that next time. On a note I can't play on b.net right now. I would if I could. I haven't played a human or comp player in 6 months either. Im just trying to entertain myself while I wait until I can go on b.net

[stev2711]

hmm. Only thing I didn't do was upgrade to lair. Ill try that next time. On a note I can't play on b.net right now. I would if I could. I haven't played a human or comp player in 6 months either. Im just trying to entertain myself while I wait until I can go on b.net
Playing with comp can be so predictable, but as far as I know in 1zv1t against terran computer zergling rush always work fine.

[Keisuke-kun]

Yeh but they always get a bunker up. If I wanna ling rush should I build a second hatchery and ignore hydra completely?

[Basan]

Why would he want to upgrade the comp AI when he can't beat the normal comp?

I got my 1st Racine's AI upgrade from a cousin that installed it in my PC (laptop) while we were at his place. Only realised it later when I went 4 fun in a campaign mission (3rd Zerg on BW) that I've already made 2 see if I could improve on it (have more Infested C.C.'s 4 the next mission)!
Got Tank pushed / dropped so hard that they cracked my front defense a few times. :(

Only afterwards I saw an unknown file in my SC directory, called him n' he said that he just went 'SC extra apps happy' in my PC. Found about SF due 2 him... ;)

Yeh but they always get a bunker up. If I wanna ling rush should I build a second hatchery and ignore hydra completely?

No. Mix n' stirr... Hydras firing rate even without upg. helps a lot in Bunker mashing. Especially if he's 1 of those wall-in addicts! Also Mutas or Lurkers would help greatly. :devil:
Of course, all of this is early-mid game stages related. *Meh*

[Simallion]

Playing with comp can be so predictable, but as far as I know in 1zv1t against terran computer zergling rush always work fine.
Whats the fun in that? I mean why destroy your opponent right away? It's more fun to get a real battle out of it, and I know that with 3 comp you don't really get any seriours battles but anyway, killing them right away surtanly dont give you any expirience.

[Basan]

sigh. i dont understand how people can be this dumb --

Side note: It happens... more when u lack vacations, like urs truely here. :)

[Keisuke-kun]

For the multiple peopel who insulted me : I don't play to impress you. I play to have fun.

[Basan]

For the multiple peopel who insulted me : I don't play to impress you. I play to have fun.Duh... I might be mistaken but that's the general concept of games. *Lol* :devil:
N' we try not 2 insult. Give these guys a break since they came from BF (http://www.blizzforums.com/) and 're used 2 'sanitize' folks around that sound n00bish like. In time maybe they'll change a bit... or not. *Lol* :D

Definitions:
N00b - a fella that doesn't grasp the basics of SC even bein' around it 4 a while now.

Rookie, novice or newb (ppl mix the last 1 with n00b, so don't use it much) - newcomers in2 the SC game itself. They might apriciate help in some matters.

See why they started 2 pull ur leg around now? ;)

[Keisuke-kun]

well I followed your advice to upgrade layer and build lurks (I built another hatchery as well and upgraded ling speed and lisk speed and range) and killed the comp in 18 minutes. Right before I did the zvt lev I did tvt and won no prob.

[thefazant]

the only question is, what are you doing on this forum asking questions about how to beat a comp, while this is not what this forum is about.
we talk about multiplayer here, not against comps.
mainly because beating a comp is really ridiculously easy

[Keisuke-kun]

Im sorry Ill just go post in the "How to beat comps" forum next time.

[thefazant]

ok, do that, you can either go post in
www.battleforums.com or www.infoceptor.com

[Basan]

TheFazant,

Have manners... *Lol* ;)
If he's a rreeeaaal newb we should lend him a hand... if not, carry on. :devil:

[hammocksleeper]

Is it just me or is my comp like really hard. About 8 minutes into the game terrans rush me with bats (around 5) rines (around 15) and medics (around 4). Me as the zerg can't hold off this attack even with a lot of lings and some haydra. I surivived this attack once only for them to cover the entire map in the next 15 minutes and wiping me out like 15 minutes after that. Is the comp normaly that hard? I haven't played for a bit (5 months) cause Im in japan. Im sure that if I was the terran I could beat the comp but I like being zerg for fun. On a side note I despise the toss.
Somewhere in www.battle.net/scc (http://www.battle.net/scc) there is a list of what the computer will throw at you. At regular intervals the computer will rush at you once it gathers a certain group of units. These groups are all very defined, and the computer is 99% predicatable.

[Keisuke-kun]

Yeh I get that now. I can beat the comp fine. A 6 month lull can do a lot to your skills. Im fine with the comp now. Anyone know where I can get upgrades for the AI?

(Man some of the people on this board are real assholes...)

[okplayer]

TheFazant,

Have manners... *Lol*
If he's a rreeeaaal newb we should lend him a hand... if not, carry on. newbs helping newbs;) doesnt help anything;):P :cry: :shiftyr:

[thefazant]

why dont you try playing on bnet instead of shitty comps

[MrHen]

why dont you try playing on bnet instead of shitty comps

I think he already explained that:

On a note I can't play on b.net right now. I would if I could. I haven't played a human or comp player in 6 months either. Im just trying to entertain myself while I wait until I can go on b.net

Yep. He did.

[Hayley]

Yeh I get that now. I can beat the comp fine. A 6 month lull can do a lot to your skills. Im fine with the comp now. Anyone know where I can get upgrades for the AI?
You could just play vs more computers at once, I don't really think there are any good AI upgrades, so the only way to make the computer harder is to make it start out with more stuff or to play with more of them at once :)

[stev2711]

Yeh I get that now. I can beat the comp fine. A 6 month lull can do a lot to your skills. Im fine with the comp now. Anyone know where I can get upgrades for the AI?

(Man some of the people on this board are real assholes...)
Welcome to the club Keisuke-kun. They are ass***** at first but once you get to know them better you'll find out how they are not as bad as you think........they are worse :D

Anyway, just ignore them, the last time I challenge anyone to play against 7 computers in a melee no one took up the challenge. *LOL*

Oh and btw if you found those AI upgrades let me know where to download it too. (I think I've seen somebody posted a URL somewhere in this forum). :confused:

[Keisuke-kun]

nah I didn't fin anything. Anyway melee is the one where the comps attack just you right?

[Sambo83]

LOL wow what a challenge, stev!~~!@!~@!~#!~ After watching 9 minutes of your play, I determined that you completely blow, and I see no way you could beat 7 comps. I think you would have trouble with 1, but maybe the comp is so stupid that you can just make 40000 cannons, and then 30 carriers and win.

[Keisuke-kun]

Just finished a 1v2 comp. I pawned the dumb ass thing. I just massed lurks and hydra. I took out half of the first comp (didn't waste time with all the buildings. Just his cc, scvs, and barracks) with 5 lurks and some hydra. Second comp was a little stubborn as they had a comsat but it didn't matter. I took them out too (I had to chase them around the map for a few minutes). It took exactly double the time it took me on 1v1. Im getting sick of comp killin. I wanna play on b.net...

[thefazant]

Just keep us updated on how many comps you manage to kill ok?

[Keisuke-kun]

Sure why not?

[stev2711]

LOL wow what a challenge, stev!~~!@!~@!~#!~ After watching 9 minutes of your play, I determined that you completely blow, and I see no way you could beat 7 comps. I think you would have trouble with 1, but maybe the comp is so stupid that you can just make 40000 cannons, and then 30 carriers and win.
Hey how many times have I asked you to play Big Game Hunters with 7 comps on melee and as I recalled I already post a replay.

The comp is stupid alright but since you can't beat 7 of them so I think we can see who is the one with all talk. :P

[Jorix]

stev, sambo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you

i mean, just look at what youre saying. 'i can beat 7 comps, hah!'...seriously, just step back and look at your stupidity objectively, if you can. no one cares how many comps you can kill.

[poof]

dont worry stev i still love you man.

[stev2711]

stev, sambo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you

i mean, just look at what youre saying. 'i can beat 7 comps, hah!'...seriously, just step back and look at your stupidity objectively, if you can. no one cares how many comps you can kill.
That's why I make this a challenge. If Sambo or you don't want to accept my challenge it's okay. I understand if you can't compete with that lame objective Hehehehe.......

[Sambo83]

That's right. I've seen marsala beat 7 comps without turtling or abusing the AI. He attacked aggressively. I don't feel like spending 2 hours to kill 7 comps. I think it's fucking stupid, and yea, it would probably take me 2 or 3 tries to do it. That doesn't mean I'm not going to totally kick your newbie ass and make fun of you on this forum with a big thread as soon as you stop dodging and buy starcraft or whatever your lame ass excuse has been for 2 months.

[thefazant]

stev, you really really suck at sc, weve all seen youre replays

[z.BeNnY]

is this 1v7c in BGH or FM ???

[Basan]

is this 1v7c in BGH or FM ???
Don't really know... Pm the folks around 2 clear it up, if u want.

[z.BeNnY]

Don't really know... Pm the folks around 2 clear it up, if u want.
I would've if i wanted to, don't you think so?! :rolleyes:

Please stfu!

[Nuclear1]

Geez... please don't prank-call the Super-Terran-Free-Usupers. That is all.

*goes back into hole* Some people...

[stev2711]

That doesn't mean I'm not going to totally kick your newbie ass and make fun of you on this forum with a big thread as soon as you stop dodging and buy starcraft or whatever your lame ass excuse has been for 2 months.
If you can beat me that's good for me. It's better if you play someone better than you rather than stomping on a noobs don't you think so ?

stev, you really really suck at sc, weve all seen youre replays
Geee...thanks....that's mean I can improve my skills when playing with u.

is this 1v7c in BGH or FM ???
In BGH.

Waw...I feel totally excited, it's been a while since I got stomped by another player. Battle.net here I come....Wahahahaha.....

[z.BeNnY]

You do know that playing one human player doesn't compare to playing 7 computers, right?

[Hayley]

That's not true, 7 computers >>> 1 player

[Sambo83]

If you can beat me that's good for me. It's better if you play someone better than you rather than stomping on a noobs don't you think so ?
Yeah, it'd be even better if you had some manner. Then people might wanna play you more than once.

[Jorix]

That's not true, 7 computers >>> 1 player
thats just because youre trying to beat 7 comps on normal hunters as p without abusing the AI...

[UnHoly-Assassin]

I couldn't beat more than 4 computers alone. Just when I had 5 zealots, they come in with marines, bats, medics, lurkers, hydras, dragoons, zealots, and whatever else that blew up my base back to the stone age.

But the thing with the comps is that they always take the hard way in. A few cannons, DA, reaver, shield battery, and corsairs can last throughout the entire game. Human players, however, go around your defense and strike the most critical part (miners). And they're flexible too unlike pre-programmed AI.

[8882]

That's not true, 7 computers >>> 1 player
If I had to win a game, Id rather play versus 7computers than against Nada.

[silent-killings]

ok keisuk so what your saying. Is your online post **** on this thread, and your playing starcraft between posts!!! WHY DONT YOU REGISTER FOR B.NET JESUS

and also you can find me on east side on account name eternal_dragon so if you wanna play anyone then there ALSO I DONT PLAY COMPS its boring and you can shove your challange up you hotdog buns

[Hayley]

If I had to win a game, Id rather play versus 7computers than against Nada.
If I wasn't allowed to abuse comp AI I would much rather play vs Nada :)

[hammocksleeper]

1v7comp is so easy to beat. In most cases one player > seven computers. Haha my favorite thing to do is make a chain of SCVs. Go harrass one computer's SCVs, get them to chase after you, and do the same to all the computers until you have all their initial SCVs, and lead them over to your units who kill them. ^^

[Nuclear1]

*coughEXPLOITcough*

[hammocksleeper]

Everything is about exploits, buddy. If I am playing against a human opponent I am still going to exploit his weaknesses.

[stev2711]

Yeah, it'd be even better if you had some manner. Then people might wanna play you more than once.
Hahahaha...if you're still playing with people then I know I had my chances *LOL*


But the thing with the comps is that they always take the hard way in. A few cannons, DA, reaver, shield battery, and corsairs can last throughout the entire game. Human players, however, go around your defense and strike the most critical part (miners). And they're flexible too unlike pre-programmed AI.
Yes, that's exactly right. However the computers sometimes drop something at the back of the base. The only way I managed to block 7 computers is using pylons in front of massive cannons, but I didn't do that worker harrasment thing.

Here's the replay, so you can see that the only thing that saves me was the pylons instead of exploits.

[Basan]

Stev2711,

I saw ppl who uses the workers 2 harass the other folks n' in the beween time 2 scout'em also.
Here's 1 example replay of it. ;)I've got it in another thread here (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=4532&page=1) at WB.
Ur replay is on hollidays!?! I can't see it anywhere... Sorry. :rolleyes:

[UnHoly-Assassin]

The bad thing with 7 computers is their rushes. And they rush before you can get a decent defense. If you can get a good enough defense before they rush, then you're in the clearing. Human players can find ways around any type of defense, while computers keep rushing lings against bunkers full of firebats. The early part is the hardest with the computers...

[stev2711]

The bad thing with 7 computers is their rushes. And they rush before you can get a decent defense. If you can get a good enough defense before they rush, then you're in the clearing. Human players can find ways around any type of defense, while computers keep rushing lings against bunkers full of firebats. The early part is the hardest with the computers...
Couldn't agree with you more. :)