Cheese

[aak]

LT, TvP, me T @ 12.

Probe comes in, builds on my gas, fucks around my base, my SCVs take it out right as my first rine is done, but he builds on my gas right as I clicked to build a refinery. GG.

How the fuck do I stop that?

[thefazant]

either put an scv on youre ramp so he cant get in, hit sssssssssss when he tries to get past it.

or try to close youre wall early

or just take youre gas the moment you see him going for it.

[theResse]

If your at 12 or 3 on lt its not a bad idea to let your 10th scv out go right on the ramp, since everyone scouts those spots first.

[Freshyn]

Don't do anything out of the ordinary to stop an offensive gas. Just chase probe with scv and later rine.

If he takes your gas, it is not the end of the world. Remember, he lost 100 or more doing that. Just build a bunker at ramp with 4 rines, scvs for repair. That usually will keep goons off till you get a tank. His goons will come slower as well. Also, get an ebay faster. Usually a toss will go for dts or reaver in this situation, after having taken gas, looking for a fast kill. They usually won't expand since if you built those rines, you can come out with some tank/vult/rine/scv and pressure them. The key to Terran, as Heartcutter put it, is "staying frosty". Don't panic, don't overreact. Just deal with the offensive gas and get on with your game.

Check this rep:

[aak]

Yeah, nice rep. I should have tried harder killing his probe, so he wouldn't be able to rebuild his asim.

[okplayer]

either put an scv on youre ramp so he cant get in, hit sssssssssss when he tries to get past it.

or try to close youre wall early

or just take youre gas the moment you see him going for it.you are wrong. scv on ramp doesn't do anything. there is a way to get through.

send probe to natural, hold shift and right click on the natural's gas a few times, then right click once into their base and it will go in. i'll show you on b.net if you want.

[8882]

you are wrong. scv on ramp doesn't do anything. there is a way to get through.

send probe to natural, hold shift and right click on the natural's gas a few times, then right click once into their base and it will go in. i'll show you on b.net if you want.
dont show this trick to everyone, so few people will use it o_o

[Jorix]

sshs! dont spread the scv stack trick around -_-

im sure it will be made illegal in tournaments now that it got posted on TL

[okplayer]

theres a difference between the scv stack thing (which is bad) and the way to break the ramp. its done the same way, but people can use it for good.

[Jorix]

lol 'use it for good'

[thefazant]

its a bug so its gay, if people would do that, i would leave immediately, just because they would look like a hacker that clicked on my mins to get through

[Delta-Force]

u cant stop them some times, to be good u have to be able to deal with any situation, remeber, not only u are slowed down, he waisted 100 of his mins so he is slowed down as well, when this happens just make marines till u get a tank

[stev2711]

its a bug so its gay, if people would do that, i would leave immediately, just because they would look like a hacker that clicked on my mins to get through
But that's not a hack, it's almost the same like zerg 10th drone.

[Staind]

Its a bug so its gay, if people would do that, i would leave immediately, just because they would look like a hacker that clicked on my mins to get through
I don't see why it's a bug.

[thefazant]

you are wrong. scv on ramp doesn't do anything. there is a way to get through.

send probe to natural, hold shift and right click on the natural's gas a few times, then right click once into their base and it will go in. i'll show you on b.net if you want.this is a bug, its the same thing as that scv stack thing.

[stev2711]

this is a bug, its the same thing as that scv stack thing.
Hmmmm....I wonder if they allow it in WCG.

[Jorix]

its not a bug, its simply an AI abuse, similar to ally mines or obs over turret...its illegal in tournaments, but theres nothing wrong with it, and is perfectly acceptable in a game

[okplayer]

ally mines isnt AI abuse.

btw, obs over turret has been fixed for anyone that didn't know.

[Sambo83]

I hate people who play like fags, and I wouldn't play anyone again who did allied mines or that scv shit etc to me.

[theResse]

I used that scv thing where you can get up ramps even when its blocked vs smaq today. Quite amusing but it's a bug that should be fixed.

[SuperKiller]

I hate people who play like fags, and I wouldn't play anyone again who did allied mines or that scv shit etc to me.
i should hate you then.. STOP STACK ATTACKING MEE!!!

[okplayer]

I used that scv thing where you can get up ramps even when its blocked vs smaq today. Quite amusing but it's a bug that should be fixed.i did it to you on our game on dahlia when you had an scv blocking my scout drone. because the gas natural is 5 miles away, by the time my drone got up the ramp you already had a marine finished.

[z.BeNnY]

How did you (used to) do obs over turret and what effect did it have?

[Cpt.Chronic]

How did you (used to) do obs over turret and what effect did it have? All you did was right click an obs to a turret before it was done building and the turret wouldn't fire unless you moved your observer off of it.

I saw a replay where Boxer used the allied mine trick in one of his WCG victories. He killed the toss's entire army with one minefield. I guess that was before tournament organizers knew about it.

[thefazant]

obs above turret was easily stopped by just pressing ssssssss

[z.BeNnY]

All you did was right click an obs to a turret before it was done building and the turret wouldn't fire unless you moved your observer off of it.

I saw a replay where Boxer used the allied mine trick in one of his WCG victories. He killed the toss's entire army with one minefield. I guess that was before tournament organizers knew about it.
Didn't know that, thx :)

Is it just me or does :) - look girlish/gayish ? :rolleyes:

[Jorix]

i didnt know obs over turret was fixed, but whatever

[Sambo83]

i should hate you then.. STOP STACK ATTACKING MEE!!!
Lolz! I was just the observer though. :)

[poof]

here is a game to play when obsing! stack attack your cc and get it as low as possible with HP, and then stack repair it. whoever gets to the lowest hp wins!

[Cpt.Chronic]

Do y'all consider proxy teching (like proxy robo and support bay near a terran's main) to be cheese?

[Jorix]

proxy gating yes, proxy teching no

[hammocksleeper]

By proxy gate you mean building a gate next to his base? Why would this be cheesing

[Hayley]

Because if it's discovered you will almost always lose, but you have a big advantage if it's not

[Schwitzer]

It's a bit hard to define cheese, but the definition I run with is, "Unusual strategies that can be an easy win if you pull it off, or a quick loss if you're discovered."

I've cheesed a couple of times... I remember using an SVC glitch to get it outside my blocked choke without lifting off. I don't make a habit of it, though.

[Shad0]

By that definition, an early, lurk drop, reaver drop or tank drop would be "cheese" Sure its a bit more common but it does diverge from the usual mass unit strategy, and if you lose that drop early on, you're put at a severe disadvantage.

Cheese is how most people win games, like lurk drops, or mute harass, or something to that nature, because I define anything not a major battle in the middle or tank push, cheese.

[Hayley]

Tank drop is not cheese, because you don't need to do any actual damage to make it effective, just knowing that you have a dropship makes your opponent play much more safely. 1hat lurker drop could be cheese I guess, but anything else it's just economic harassment. Reaver drop is sort of in between, but it's generally more cheesy than tank/lurk drop since if the terran 2 facts it's really hard to do a lot of damage and then not die to their push; on the other hand though, it does have the most amount of micro involved and it's effectiveness depends a lot on how good your micro is.