The Beast: Coming to a theater near you in 6/06/06

[Cygnus]

http://www.thebeastmovie.com/

Wow. You thought the Passion of Christ stirred up some trouble? If this movie actually comes out... if it's actually made... It'll make the Da Vinci Code look like a religious revival.

In reality the title of the movie and the initial launch date are well... meant for irony. Just watch the trailer and you'll get what I mean.

Nevertheless, what do you think the effects on mainstream culture might this movie have? Similar to Fahrenheit 9/11?

[Ark-templarius]

You thought the Passion of Christ stirred up some trouble?
Trouble for whom? Trouble for those who sought to find something wrong with it? If so, then it surely must have been seething with controversy.

It'll make the Da Vinci Code look like a religious revival.
Again, for whom? It's all about who the target audience here is.

Just watch the trailer and you'll get what I mean.
Well, that's certainly cute. Christianity is one of the major causes of suffering in the world, eh? Let's forego the religious debate for once and just point out that this is just a cinematic retelling of the same old debate over the validity of the Gospels due to their timeframe.

Nevertheless, what do you think the effects on mainstream culture might this movie have? Similar to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Mainstream culture is weak-minded and could be mesmerized by pieces of tin foil in the wind because they take everything at face value and refuse to take the time to research. Fahrenheit 9/11 made some ripples for a few weeks because of Moore's stance. Mr. Flemming also appears to have a few agendas of his own that shine through in a brief biography.

Stance on copyrighting.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0281830/bio
Flemming founded the organization Free Cinema, which encourages feature filmmakers to make their films under two rules: 1) No money may be spent on the production, and 2) The film must be "copylefted," which means the film must be released without a copyright. Flemming claims that filmmaking can now be "as inexpensive as writing novels" and that the copylefting practice is a way for new artists to gain notice and distribution in a marketplace dominated by huge, wealthy corporations. (Free Cinema is directly inspired by the Open Source movement in computer software, which operates by similar rules.) Flemming is also the owner and operator of Fair Use Press, which distributes e-books attacking public figures such as Bill O'Reilly and Arnold Schwarzenegger for their use of intellectual property law.

Stance on religion.
http://www.thebeastmovie.com/about/index.html
Flemming is a former fundamentalist Christian. An in-depth interview with him is available in the first issue of The Beast newsletter. For a more extensive biography, see the Internet Movie Database.

[Kamikaze_Chicken]

lol gotta love that date of release

[Carnage]

An Independent Film that's controversial?

Now there's something you don't see everyday. ;P

[Cygnus]

Trouble for whom? Trouble for those who sought to find something wrong with it? If so, then it surely must have been seething with controversy.Which is precisely what I meant. It'll be a good movie I can tell you that. But just like F9/11, it will anger some. But that's the price.

Again, for whom? It's all about who the target audience here is.Exactly, in the end it will be a good movie, with a similar concept like the Da Vinci Code. At the same time though it will anger those who won't be able to really grasp the concept of what the movie is about about and reject it simply because it goes against their beliefs.

Well, that's certainly cute. Christianity is one of the major causes of suffering in the world, eh? Let's forego the religious debate for once and just point out that this is just a cinematic retelling of the same old debate over the validity of the Gospels due to their timeframe.True, but at the same time it will have a good story to go along with it. It's worth checking out.

Mainstream culture is weak-minded and could be mesmerized by pieces of tin foil in the wind because they take everything at face value and refuse to take the time to research. Fahrenheit 9/11 made some ripples for a few weeks because of Moore's stance. Mr. Flemming also appears to have a few agendas of his own that shine through in a brief biography.Weak both ways, of course. Many will just simply blow off the movie because of what it pretains to, while some of course will eat up every word. It's the same thing as Boweling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11. You're right that one needs to do research on all sides of the story and of course BFC and F 9/11 were biased towards one way of thinking, but perhaps the movie will get some people thinking.

Plus of course this guy has his own agenda, just like Moore. They pushing for their views via a movie, something that attacks what the mainstream thinks. Sure it's biased and sure they might have their own reasons, but it get's people thinking. It rocks the boat, which sometimes is what we need.

[Nuclear1]

Well, that's certainly cute. Christianity is one of the major causes of suffering in the world, eh? Let's forego the religious debate for once and just point out that this is just a cinematic retelling of the same old debate over the validity of the Gospels due to their timeframe.


Mainstream culture is weak-minded and could be mesmerized by pieces of tin foil in the wind because they take everything at face value and refuse to take the time to research. Fahrenheit 9/11 made some ripples for a few weeks because of Moore's stance. Mr. Flemming also appears to have a few agendas of his own that shine through in a brief biography.

Seriously. I'm a Christian, and frankly, this movie is going to turn out to be as moronic as they get. Hey, it might even shrink above or below the intelligence level displayed in F 9/11. Whether or not it is actually released, I might just see it to seethe with anger/laugh at its stupidity.

And you're exactly right about mainstream culture. The majority of America is, as I'm afraid to say, very malleable, and every single debate or "enlightenment" by a political party or filmmaker seems to cause more controversey than is needed.

[Ark-templarius]

Can't believe I missed this. :/

It'll be a good movie I can tell you that.
I'd go for the word "interesting", but I do see your point.

True, but at the same time it will have a good story to go along with it. It's worth checking out.
Good story doesn't mean too much if it's presented poorly. Take the movie Dune for example. Classic sci-fi book, but terrible presentation.

You're right that one needs to do research on all sides of the story and of course BFC and F 9/11 were biased towards one way of thinking, but perhaps the movie will get some people thinking.
Thinking is always good because if people don't think about what they see, there isn't much point in trying to present an intelligent arguement to the masses.

Sure it's biased and sure they might have their own reasons, but it get's people thinking. It rocks the boat, which sometimes is what we need.
So long as people are aware of those views and take the time to think about it, I agree with stirring up some discussion.

Seriously. I'm a Christian, and frankly, this movie is going to turn out to be as moronic as they get.
I'm not going to pay money to watch it, but I still have my doubts about this film because of how it might be presented. If it's just shock value, forget it. If it presents an arguement that asks of our fellow Christians to explain their side, it will generate some interesting debates.

The majority of America is, as I'm afraid to say, very malleable, and every single debate or "enlightenment" by a political party or filmmaker seems to cause more controversey than is needed.
The mainstream view is frustrating because nobody wants to take the trouble to find things out for themselves. Take local elections for example. Most people don't know who they're voting for and go by either the face or the name and not what their issues are.

Controversy is a double-edged sword. It can generate support and harsh retaliation all depending on who your target audiences are.

[Cygnus]

Seriously. I'm a Christian, and frankly, this movie is going to turn out to be as moronic as they get. Hey, it might even shrink above or below the intelligence level displayed in F 9/11. Whether or not it is actually released, I might just see it to seethe with anger/laugh at its stupidity.
I can tell this is going to be fun... It all depends really on what the movie actually does. If it's a blantant attack on Christianity and is horribly biased, then yes you're correct. But if it tells a good story, gets the audience to ask questions and to think, and doesn't try to debunk Christianity then it probably won't be stupid. Just blowing off a movie because it poses a question you might not agree with isn't right. In fact going to see such a movie would be a good thing for then you might be tempted to do research that you never did before and review your own beliefs. That's what a good movie is supposed to make you do, like a good book. It makes you think.

For example the Da Vinci Code, it's a well written story. Some of it is fact, other parts fiction, and various shades of gray between. Many parts about the Knights Templar, questions about Jesus, and other ancient pagan religions are mostly true. Other parts are not. It's still a work of fiction, yet the author derives parts of it on fact. It get's you wondering and questioning, just like a good movie.

And you're exactly right about mainstream culture. The majority of America is, as I'm afraid to say, very malleable, and every single debate or "enlightenment" by a political party or filmmaker seems to cause more controversey than is needed.
Too many people like, Ark-templarius mentioned, don't bother to do any checking of what they're seeing and at the same time believing. The majority of American culter denys itself the facts and the complete picture out of almost pure lazines and the sake of tradition. Don't forget that "enlightenment" by a film maker or political party sometimes casuses more controversy then needed because the average US citizen will still sit on their hands when presented with all sides o the story.

Sometimes a good controversy is what we need as a people to shake us out of the conformity and the status quo that we've fallen into.

I'd go for the word "interesting", but I do see your point.
Yeah you're right, interesting is a better word to use than good.

Good story doesn't mean too much if it's presented poorly. Take the movie Dune for example. Classic sci-fi book, but terrible presentation.

Very true. I've seen Dune and understand how that can happen. But if this movie is presented well (much like the Da Vinci code), it can be good.

Thinking is always good because if people don't think about what they see, there isn't much point in trying to present an intelligent arguement to the masses.
*COUGH* Politics *COUGH* *COUGH* Religion *COUGH*

Again, you're correct. As I mentioned above in a reply to Nuclear1, a good movie or book will make you study it to see what they were trying to show you. If they make you think and question, then they are good.

So long as people are aware of those views and take the time to think about it, I agree with stirring up some discussion.
Yes you're right. It's like with F 9/11 or BFC. They give you spins centered to their view, but they do raise important questions. You have to look at all the sides to figure out the truth.

[Battlecruiser]

http://www.thebeastmovie.com/about/666.gif

Haha, nice plot.......................................Sarcasm .

And I am not even Christian. Looks very retarded. Though if someone makes a horror movie, on that date, it would have been cool.

[Sauvastika]

Ay. This movie is going to cause more contoversy than the Jewish and 'The Passion of the Christ'.

[spastic-ninJa]

Trouble for whom? Trouble for those who sought to find something wrong with it? If so, then it surely must have been seething with controversy.Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Jews very angry/upset with 'Passion of Christ'?

Hopefully 'The Beast' (that name is laughable) won't result in outright 'trouble,' though, just a bit of discontentment in the Christian population.

I agree with Battlecruiser, this movie's plot looks like crap. It could have hopes if presented decently, but the storyline seems so melodramatic...

[Cygnus]

Hopefully 'The Beast' (that name is laughable) won't result in outright 'trouble,' though, just a bit of discontentment in the Christian population.
The title, "The Beast" is actually more for irony than anything. Basically they're trying to show how the Church is the thing that puts the fear into Christians. Who tells you to be afraid of hell if you don't believe? The Chruch. Who tells you that satan is corrupting everyone? The Church. It goes off the whole "I am not afraid" part in the trailer.

I agree with bmb, this movie's plot looks like crap. It could have hopes if presented decently, but the storyline seems so melodramatic...
Depends on what movie you're looking for. It won't be a crazy action flick. If they present it well and it'll be something like the Da Vinci Code.

[Protosschick99]

It's stupid and false. Of course Jesus exists. I've witnessed His power, glory, and love--This film is total bull and is just a copy-cat of The Passion of the Christ.

[Valjean]

If it were a copy cat, wouldn't it involve Jesus being crucified some how?

And I don't think the movie is based on fact, PC. It's a Movie....

[Neo]

I like the belief in which the Jesus in the Bible is really a conglomerate of different people who did 'things' to help others and what not.

Meh, that came out wrong.

My favorite theory has got to be though that Jesus is really an Extraterrestrial (which makes sense in a way, have you ever seen a human walk on water? xD) Though it brings up an interesting point there...

People who claim to have had Alien contact say they were 'told' through emtions.. feelings... pictures (telepathy or somesuch) that we have to stop what we are doing, 'reform' in a way. Which is what Jesus 'taught' wasnt it? Love and acceptance and all that (though the Church certainly took it the extreme in more then a few cases)

Ack. Rambling.

The movie seems like it might be in interesting one, if it was based on factual evidence (like those shows on the Discovery channel that try to link Jesus/ others of his time with factual evidence and what not) rather then to simply provoke a reaction out of the Christians.

-Neo

[singo]

People who claim to have had Alien contact say they were 'told' through emtions.. feelings... pictures (telepathy or somesuch) that we have to stop what we are doing, 'reform' in a way.
-Neo
yes but half of those people are idiots and the other half are hippies


dont you just love stereotypes? :P

[Cygnus]

It's stupid and false. Of course Jesus exists. I've witnessed His power, glory, and love--This film is total bull and is just a copy-cat of The Passion of the Christ.
Just because something presents an idea you don't agree with doesn't mean that you should blow it off. In fact sometimes it's worth reviewing what you believe in. This film is not total bull and is not a copy of the Passion, rather I'd say it was more a copy off the Da Vinci code. But nevertheless, it presents a debate that's been going on for a very long time, something that there's really no answer to.

If it were a copy cat, wouldn't it involve Jesus being crucified some how?

And I don't think the movie is based on fact, PC. It's a Movie....
And of course it all depends on how the movie is presented. If it's more like a story based on the arguments against a historical jesus and presents them well then it might get people thinking. Like a good movie, book, or any good story is supposed to.

[Valjean]

yes but half of those people are idiots and the other half are hippies


dont you just love stereotypes? :P
You got your first stereotype wrong. The first half is crazies, not idiots. ;)

[singo]

damn, of course....silly me

[Modred]

Always a bit late to the debate am I.

I propose that we judge this movie in the same way we would judge a piece of literature. If it engages the viewer in a creative way and provides some sort of insight into an alternative viewpoint, it could be a good movie, rather we agree with its message or not.

However, if it simply provides controversial information for shock value, we may dismiss it as little more than a grab at attention that is not worth our money.

Of course, we can't be sure of how it is presented until it is actually released and has been reviewed by a reliable source.

[Demosthene5]

It's stupid and false. Of course Jesus exists. I've witnessed His power, glory, and love--This film is total bull and is just a copy-cat of The Passion of the Christ.

Protosschick99,

I was fascinated by your response to this discussion. Please elaborate on your precedence for your conclusion on the nature of this film that you have not seen. As far as I can tell, from what I have gathered from your contribution is that you dismiss it simply because it deals with an opposition to your particular area of superstition. You provide a very strong accusation:

It's stupid and false.

Your reasoning:

Of course...

I hope that you are not of this generation's "just because" believers. I also hope that you understand that being a witness to your own emotions does not suggest external supernatural causation. How, pray tell, did you come up with the idea that this movie would possibly be a copy-cat of the gospel according to Mel Gibson? Other than being based around the same superstition, I couldn't see any other connections. Care to share your findings?
I would appreciate it if you brought some relevant information to your glorious claims, as this is your realm of expertise. I am very curious.