Arachnid Demon

[Tenebrae]

Just a random arachnid demon I made. I would post more but currently this is all I have hosted on anything.


http://nwvault.ign.com/Files/transfer/pictures/OTHER_Tenebrae11Arachid.jpg

[ZeroDarkStar]

O_O

Nice. Very nice. Welcome to WarBoards, by the way.

[Whiteknight]

I see 6 legs there, so it can't be an arachnid :p

The proper term would be the insect demon.

Good drawing, though, and welcome to Warboards.

[Tenebrae]

I see 6 legs there, so it can't be an arachnid :p

The proper term would be the insect demon.

Good drawing, though, and welcome to Warboards.

Well, actually in my eyes this would be a true arachnid demon/creature. All my arachnid like creatures are drawn with only six legs because if a arachnid evolved into a sentient creature it's front limbs would become arms if anything did at all. It wouldn't spontaneously grow extra ones....that would be considered a centaur.

Thank you both for the positive feedback, and thanx for the welcome...but I have been here for a long long time. If you ever heard the Relic/Abyss race idea in the SCII Theories section long long ago...that was me ;)

[Whiteknight]

Well, actually in my eyes this would be a true arachnid demon/creature. All my arachnid like creatures are drawn with only six legs because if a arachnid evolved into a sentient creature it's front limbs would become arms if anything did at all. It wouldn't spontaneously grow extra ones....that would be considered a centaur.

Thank you both for the positive feedback, and thanx for the welcome...but I have been here for a long long time. If you ever heard the Relic/Abyss race idea in the SCII Theories section long long ago...that was me ;) a·rach·nid http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/pron.jpg (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fsearch%3 Fq%3Darachnid) ( P ) Pronunciation Key (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) (http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gif-rhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/abreve.gifkhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifnhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ibreve.gifd)
n. Any of various arthropods of the class Arachnida, such as spiders, scorpions, mites, and ticks, characterized by four pairs of segmented legs and a body that is divided into two regions, the cephalothorax and the abdomen. Also called arachnoid.

As the "four pairs of segmented legs" says, yours is still not an arachnid, but an insect. Arms are not legs, sorry to say.

[Cygnus]

Don't be that technical... his drawing still kicks ass. :D

[TranquilNightElf]

Excellent drawing :)

[Black.Ice]

Excellent drawing. Mtank, you have competition.

I like it a lot - it's ... perfect. :)

[ShawnManX]

But it could probably lean forward and use the arms as another set of legs if it had to.

[Tenebrae]

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n. Any of various arthropods of the class Arachnida, such as spiders, scorpions, mites, and ticks, characterized by four pairs of segmented legs and a body that is divided into two regions, the cephalothorax and the abdomen. Also called arachnoid.

As the "four pairs of segmented legs" says, yours is still not an arachnid, but an insect. Arms are not legs, sorry to say.
There's always exceptions to the rule. Here is one of them...the Sun Spider.

http://www.key-net.net/users/swb/pet_arthropod/SS.jpg

This arachnid as you can see has five segmented legs. It's not a birth defect...all Sun Spiders have five legs. I study up on arachnids quite a bit...they tend to be my obsession. I want an online friend of mine whom breeds spiders to make me a Widow with every other Widow bred into it. Black Widow (Both Southern and Northern) Brown Widow, Red Widow, Australian Red Back, ect... But this is besides the point.

My drawing expresses how I believe an arachnid would evolve or be if it was sentient. The front legs would shift to arms, the abdomen would not be needed due to the fact that now the creature would have more of a cephalothorax to house it's organs... The abdomen on arachnids and many other insects is where they hold their organs because their other parts tend to be much smaller. As you see in my creature, the upper body is more then capable of holding the organs it has.

Basically...there's exceptions to every rule. Generally most arachnids have eight eyes as well though this is not always the case, some have six, others vary as well. And as the above image shows...not all arachnids are restricted to the eight leg rule either. Not to mention the fact that as I said...the legs shifting to arms would be how I envisioned them to evolve...lets say it happened...I'm sure any arachnid that formed like this would still be considered an arachnid in the eyes of science.

And on a final note there is an arachnid which has thumb like appendages on it's front legs and I wish to god I could remember the name of it. If memory serves me correctly it's one of the rare cave versions that are blind and rarely observed...could be mixing arachnids up though...I watch too much Animal Planet and Discovery....

[Whiteknight]

Actually, the sun spider does not have 5 pairs of segmented legs. Those in the front are in fact pedipalps.

Sun spiders appear to have 10 legs, but the first pair of “legs” are actually pedipalps http://www.pestcontrolmag.com/pestcontrol/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=26934

http://www.desertmuseum.org/books/nhsd_whipscorpions.html

All arachnids are restricted to 8 legs, otherwise they would not be in that category.

I'm sure any arachnid that formed like this would still be considered an arachnid in the eyes of science.
In the strict eyes of science, it would be considered an insectoid.

[Tenebrae]

Actually, the sun spider does not have 5 pairs of segmented legs. Those in the front are in fact pedipalps.
Still pretty much just a pair of extra legs, only difference is that they have sticky ends and aren't always placed upon the ground during movment. And most likely, although I would have to do reserch, they are an evolved pair of legs.


In the strict eyes of science, it would be considered an insectoid.
Hmm, got the definition of an insectoid handy? I looked on the web but yea...harder then I thought to get a simple definition these days.

[Whiteknight]

Still pretty much just a pair of extra legs, only difference is that they have sticky ends and aren't always placed upon the ground during movment. And most likely, although I would have to do reserch, they are an evolved pair of legs.



Hmm, got the definition of an insectoid handy? I looked on the web but yea...harder then I thought to get a simple definition these days.
Any of numerous usually small arthropod animals of the class Insecta, having an adult stage characterized by three pairs of legs and a body segmented into head, thorax, and abdomen and usually having two pairs of wings. Insects include the flies, crickets, mosquitoes, beetles, butterflies, and bees.

Those mandibles are not an evolved pair of legs, they are there to help them catch and eat food, among other things. The spiders do not walk on the pedipalps, they are only used "to position and direct food items to the chelicerae for processing and consumption."

The pedipalps are not "pretty much just another set of legs".

You can say it is a hexapodic Demon, arthropodic demon, insectic demon, etc, but arachnid demon does not fit the description of that drawing.

[Seal]

dont argue, use wikipedia.

[ShawnManX]

I can see why the classifycation of the beast portrayed in the picture is important to Tenenbrae, but why is it so important to you Whiteknight? You're acting like your life depends on it not being an arachnid.

[Cygnus]

dont argue, use wikipedia.
*Dead silence falls over all the people in Creative Concepts as everyone falls to the floor and begins praying*

WIKIPEDIA! WIKIPEDIA!

*chanting continues*

:)

[Tenebrae]

Those mandibles are not an evolved pair of legs, they are there to help them catch and eat food, among other things. The spiders do not walk on the pedipalps, they are only used "to position and direct food items to the chelicerae for processing and consumption.

I asked the people at http://www.ufsia.ac.be/Arachnology/Arachnology.html

We'll see how the limbs actually developed. I'm almost positive that they orriginally started out as legs, as all extra limbs of an arachnid started out.

Untill then I'll stit and attempt to read up more muwahahaha.

[Whiteknight]

I can see why the classifycation of the beast portrayed in the picture is important to Tenenbrae, but why is it so important to you Whiteknight? You're acting like your life depends on it not being an arachnid.
Maybe it does... >.>

In wikipedia, can't you just add false information to it? I mean, I don't think it's that reliable...

[riBd]

Does it really matter?

[Tenebrae]

Does it really matter?

Yes!!!! You fool!!! It matters to him and I for we have no lives and obviously both enjoy the thrill of a debate! -_- hehe

Anyway more feedback during the wait for the e-mail would be loved.

[Whiteknight]

Yes!!!! You fool!!! It matters to him and I for we have no lives and obviously both enjoy the thrill of a debate! -_- hehe

Anyway more feedback during the wait for the e-mail would be loved.
I always love a good debate :)

[Tenebrae]

As do I, in the process of attempting to prove you wrong I'm learning more about my obsession...Arachnids. I want a whiptail scorpion for a pet...those things are so awesome looking.

[Battlecruiser]

Nice drawing, and a good debate. Atleast I learned something from your debate.

[Magmaniac]

From the Encyclopedia Magmaniaca:

Arachnid-
1.) anything that has 6-10 legs, and has no wings.
How to spot arachnids-
1.) they are sittin in a web
examples-
1.) spider
2.) scorpion

I think it would be an arachnid based on the above definition.

I am a master debater!

[Battlecruiser]

From the Encyclopedia Magmaniaca
Nice source of information.

[Whiteknight]

From the Encyclopedia Magmaniaca:

Arachnid-
1.) anything that has 6-10 legs, and has no wings.
How to spot arachnids-
1.) they are sittin in a web
examples-
1.) spider
2.) scorpion

I think it would be an arachnid based on the above definition.

I am a master debater!
From Wikipedia:

The arachnids, Arachnida, are a class of invertebrate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invertebrate) animals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal) in the subphylum Chelicerata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelicerata). Arachnids are named for the mythological (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology) figure Arachne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachne). They are chiefly terrestrial arthropods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthropod), some 65,000 to 73,000 species including the spiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider), scorpions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion), harvestmen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opiliones), ticks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tick), and mites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mite). The arachnids are easily distinguished from the insects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insect) by the fact that they have eight legs instead of six. The pedipalpi (leg-like mouthparts) of some species has instead been adapted for sensory, prey capture or reproductive functions. In solpugids the palpi are quite leg-like and make solpugids appear to have ten legs. Larval mites have only six legs: they grow their fourth pair when they molt into nymphs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachnid

Please post a link to where you found that false information, I have already provided several that say different.

[Tenebrae]

I'm still waiting for my e-mail reguarding if the pedipalpi were orriginally legs at one time in their evolution.

[Magmaniac]

Please post a link to where you found that falseinformation, I have already provided several that say different.its from the ENCYCLOPEDIA MAGMANIACA YOU BLIND DUMBSHIT CANT YOU FUCKING READ??

[Whiteknight]

its from the ENCYCLOPEDIA MAGMANIACA YOU BLIND DUMBSHIT CANT YOU FUCKING READ?? Sorry, it was late, so shut up :p

[Tenebrae]

Fight nice children

[Markpyro]

Very very excelent drawing