Best Race Debate

[wraith_captain]

I'm starting a debate to see which race is best. I think Terrans are. You can manufacture cheap, weak, units fast, like the Zerg, or a few expensive, powerful ones, like the Protoss. The Terran's Ghosts and Wraiths allow victory by stealth: my favorite strategy!

Someone please tell my why the Protoss or Zerg are better.

[Mattimeo]

I think that terran is the best but they are the hardest to be good at. Keeping track of your SCVs and using units effectively is difficult. But if you have good micro with siege tanks goliaths vultures w/ mines and missle turrets, it's very hard to beat you.

[Valjean]

mass hydra+ling > BCs

[wraith_captain]

I think that terran is the best but they are the hardest to be good at. Keeping track of your SCVs and using units effectively is difficult. But if you have good micro with siege tanks goliaths vultures w/ mines and missle turrets, it's very hard to beat you.Of course. Like every race, the Terrans may seem wipy at first, but that's not the case when you learn how to harness their awesome power.

[assassin_666]

mass hydra+ling > BCs
and thats why we bring marines, tanks, and vessal with us.
i do think t is the hardest race to learn but it pays off cause in my opinon t is the best race

[Valjean]

and thats why we bring marines, tanks, and vessal with us.
which is why we bring mutas guardians and scourges and/or devourers to reinforce our massive army. =P

[Doombringer64]

Which get wiped out by valks.

No race is really better, it all just depends on your prefered style of play. I personally like Terrans, because I love ranged units. Terrans, or not the best of both worlds!!!

[IceFlare]

2nd post
How do lings own bcs? Just wondering... do they jump and claw @ the BC? Anyways. This discussion should be in the serious discussion section. Its been brought up many times. Theyre realli is no true best race in SC. It all depends on your preference, your abilities in them, your weaknesses, and if u can exploit their strengths and cover their weaknesses.

[Valjean]

2nd post
How do lings own bcs? Just wondering... do they jump and claw @ the BC? Anyways. This discussion should be in the serious discussion section. Its been brought up many times. Theyre realli is no true best race in SC. It all depends on your preference, your abilities in them, your weaknesses, and if u can exploit their strengths and cover their weaknesses.
the guy will probably let them auto-aim so the BCs will go after teh lings while the hydras go after teh BCs.

and Doom: That's why I build scourges and/or devourers...-_-

[Schwitzer]

BattleCruisers auto-aim at Zerglings, even when there's Hydarlisks attacking them?

[Battlecruiser]

terran all the way!! because of tanks and goliaths.

[assassin_666]

the guy will probably let them auto-aim so the BCs will go after teh lings while the hydras go after teh BCs.

and Doom: That's why I build scourges and/or devourers...-_-
thast when the valks/golly come in ^^ and btw to the people who say all races are even i doubt blizzard managed to make a game that damn balence if a strategy game was 100% balence all the races would have the same units but i will say that sc was balenced VERY well.

[Battlecruiser]

thast when the valks/golly come in ^^ and btw to the people who say all races are even i doubt blizzard managed to make a game that damn balence if a strategy game was 100% balence all the races would have the same units but i will say that sc was balenced VERY well.
yeah he is right. it is impossible to balance the game PERFECTLY but blizzard did a really good job of making it really close to perfect balance.

[Kamikaze_Chicken]

zerg kicks ass bcoz of their kamikaze units :bananaroc

[Terran-Civilian]

strange how everyone is talking about how much the terran are the best yet no one has mentioned nukes :\

[Valjean]

because overlord+lurker=dead ghost which means no nuke. =P

[assassin_666]

strange how everyone is talking about how much the terran are the best yet no one has mentioned nukes :\
thats becasue nukes suck :chair:

[BadAssNoob]

i will have to disagree with just about evry one i think i am the best with zerg

[Valjean]

/me attacks BadAssNoob with 175 hydralisks

pwned. =P

[wraith_captain]

strange how everyone is talking about how much the terran are the best yet no one has mentioned nukes :\Nukes kick ass, if they're not detected.

[Ghost_Assasain]

If a Nuke Hits It Owns anything.
Ever dropped a shit load of Nukes on 1 base???
It owns what ever it hits

[assassin_666]

nukes suckass end of story there almost impossible to use so its not worth the time, money, and offort to get them

[arcalite]

I personally don't like Nukes that much. They are hard to use without being detected. But if it falls it can really help. But I have to agree that their is no "Best" race. It depends on their style and just who they like better. I like Terrain the best. Siege Tanks, movable building, cloaked wraiths and Valkieries are great.

[wraith_captain]

I'd like to thank evreyone for contributing to this thread.
I leanrned a few things:
1: either few people like the 'toss, or they just got pissed by this thred and left.
2. nukes are great if you can get them off
3. some people don' understand auto aim.

[RevolutiOn]

Nukes are only good vs toss (EMP right before nuke = dead nexus) or a large amount of stationary defense/units, and even then they are are, like assasin said, usualy way to much trouble and cost to use effectivley.

[Staind]

There is no best race.

[Harbinger2]

I like the way the 'Toss look, but the Terrans are best. Easy Strat: Build 8 Barracks, lift them off, and land them right next to the enemy base. Then start building.

[Modred]

As for a "best race," there isn't one.

However I find that I play a better Protoss game, however I can put up a fight as Zerg. Terran requires a lot of micro and practice, so I'm not quite as good.

Usually I'll play Zerg because I think most of the Protoss stuff is too expensive.

[PengWin]

It depends on what map, obviously. Either Protoss, or Terran is the best, Zerg just plain sucks.

But in BGH, I like Protoss. Simply because of psionic storm, it owns all.

[assassin_666]

bgh is gay so dont mentino it

[RelinaIonna]

Terrans are best. Easy Strat: Build 8 Barracks, lift them off, and land them right next to the enemy base. Then start building.mass hydra+ling > BCsPeople who like to mass marines or hydras are best beaten by a reaver drop. I do it in 2 waves. The first destroys their concentrated center. Then as you run out of scarabs, most players then regroup whats left and attack those reavers. Just drop the second wave further back and do the same thing to the glob of rines or hydras as they destroy your first reavers. After that it's a cinch to swoop in with you're main land force. Corsairs can take care of most anti air if they have them, most don't beyond the valkries and scourge. The same strategy works if there attacking your base. If possible try using a pincer even if you have on three groups of reavers.

[cpt.beefhart]

any race can be best with enough micro

[chimmy]

Toss own all i dont care what anyone says the toss kick ass they can take out any thing with a good mix of coarsairs and reavers. if you find me on b.net ill show you my name is zyzc/cc_zyzc/
zyzc)ste( i will own you all i play on east

[Fenix-MSG]

I think terran are the best. Through a lot of practice at macro, much more at micro, im not too bad with them. You people really think nukes arent worth it? Against Terran and Protoss you shouldn't have too much trouble getting off a nuke. Just make sure you have marines and medics with your ghost when you make your drop. Take a science vessel with you. Blind the Science Vessel/Observer they cant see anything to detect it and your ghost should be safe long enough to stay alive. Just watch out for splash damage or Psionic storm though, that really hurts.

[wraith_captain]

Good nuke strategy: as soon as you get control back, RUN!!!!!!!!!!! I've used one ghost for many nuke drops this way.


P.S.: I did this in single player. :)

[thefazant]

Toss own all i dont care what anyone says the toss kick ass they can take out any thing with a good mix of coarsairs and reavers. if you find me on b.net ill show you my name is zyzc/cc_zyzc/
zyzc)ste( i will own you all i play on east
ok, msg me, thefazant on east

[DrakAssassin204]

I think Protoss are the best because theyre units are strong and they have many untis with special abilities like dark archons and stuff. and with protoss u can mc and then u can have another race if u get yourself a drone or scv then u have best of both worlds.

[UnHoly-Assassin]

Protoss is the strongest race. That's why they cost the most.

List of strongest units in the game:
-Battlecruiser
-Carrier
-Dark Arcon
-Ultralisk
-Arcon

Well...protoss got 3/5 on that list...

[sureilldoit]

Terran is best
Zerg is second best
Toss is worst

but not by too far. sc is incredibly balanced. these differences are minute

[Cpt.Chronic]

StarCraft is not perfectly balanced. It's perfectly unbalanced.

[Basan]

It depends on the play style of each 1.
If u play nicely with the Virus, u should go mainly as a Zergie.

If u mix (change) between the Virus n' Compound u more the 'Tossie style... n' maybe a few 'Cerebrates' (Zerg players) around.

The Turtle style is the only 1 that can be really applied 2 the fullest with Terran (wall-ins 4 instance).

'Toss suck at it (turtling) due 2 their expensive economy (resources demanding) and Zerg 2 have a fair chance 2 win must head 2 the Virus n' Compound tactics, at least.

U can apply any of these tactics with any race, but 2 me these are the best applied 4 each race. ;)

Add: Lol! Cpt.Chronic, that was funny...

[okplayer]

wtf are you talking about

anyway, zerg is by far best race in all aspects

[Keisuke-kun]

I think Protoss are the best because theyre units are strong and they have many untis with special abilities like dark archons and stuff. and with protoss u can mc and then u can have another race if u get yourself a drone or scv then u have best of both worlds.
Managing 2 let alone 3 tech trees requires way to much money. You are better off just sticking with one race.

I think Terran are the best. They can build anywhere and are very mobile. Nukes are okay but its hard to get em off in a humanvhuman game. I hate the toss. Their units require too much money for my taste and I don't like them. I like zerg the best but I know terran are better.

[stev2711]

I hate Terrans, they require intense microing. My first choice would be a toss then zerg as a runner up. I agree with Basan, toss would need to play mix of virus and compound while zerg need to play virus style.

Anyway, what I like about them are although toss unit is expensive, and zerg need to mass before they attack, I get along with that just fine because I'm a macroing type of player.

Besides upgrade path for toss and zerg are easier than terrans. For toss I only upgraded ship attack and shield and for zerg hydras attack and defense is my favourite upgrade.

[Basan]

wtf are you talking aboutI'm talkin' about the playing styles that might influence ur race choosing...

In my early begginings at SC I prefered the Zerg due 2 cheap unit cost n' spreading around but not now...
Now I prefer the 'Tossies, even bein' the Zerg masters at massing harassment (low cost units), 'cause 'Toss may kick ass with lesser (unit numbers) but with better microin'. ;)
Terrans are kinda micro insane but I like'em 2 also... 4 them, balanced groups are a must in any counter.

[Hayley]

There's no racial imbalance, it all depends on the map you play on. Protoss is the coolest race however, so I suppose that makes them the best :)

[Basan]

There's no racial imbalance, it all depends on the map you play on. Protoss is the coolest race however, so I suppose that makes them the best Agreed in gender n' form. :beer:
That's why when I do maps I try 2 make'em balanced 4 all edges (races). Here's an example of 1. :cookie:
I've made it 4 a future campaign of mine, but stripped it 2 the terrain layer only 2 test a mod (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=3768) (by Akuma's). Added a few triggers 4 it 2 be possible 2 choose any race against a couple of Insane AI's... *Yum, yum* :devil:
I've got another version (map) 4 tests, where the resources are boosted a little n' the size is smaller... *Yawn, I raid the AI's so easily in that 1* :P

Add: The original map name is Fall 3 - Scouting Zerus.scx. Changed the name so I won't get mixed over in a wich is wich indecision... *Meh*
Oh, btw the copy I sent is protected. ;)

[Cpt.Chronic]

ok, obviously protoss is the best because they can mind control the other races' workers and have all three races under your control.

[okplayer]

yea i forgot about that. but zerg is good too..

[Basan]

Agreed with u both, OkPlayer & Cpt.Chronic...

Try a mix of Hydras, 'Lots & 'Goons 2 knock on a foe's doorstep... or a D.Swarm 2 cover'em while at it! ;)

[Mere_reflection]

Indeed, but nukes alone wont win you the match. Its only really effective if you nuke at the beginnig of the game, but after you nuke, they will most likely build up their workers/units/buildings. And its so hard alone just to get up to the tech tree and get the nuke, then you have to save more money for the nuke itself.

Plus if you do it later on in the game, it wont be very effective, unless you nuke multiple of times in the same minute, BUT U SHOULD NEVER NUKE EXPANSIONS. Thats just a waste, unless their expansion is now their main base becuase u invaded successfully their old main.

I think the best race is Terran. Why you ask? Well lets go over the terran compared to the other races.

Protoss sheilds < Emp Shockwave + units.
Hyrda + Zergling rush < Bunkers with scv repairing them and a couple of seige tanks
Carriers < Lockdown + Goliaths/Wraiths
Guardian fleets < Wraiths + Irridate

You get my drift?

[Basan]

I think the best race is Terran. Why you ask? Well lets go over the terran compared to the other races.

Protoss sheilds < Emp Shockwave + units.
Hyrda + Zergling rush < Bunkers with scv repairing them and a couple of seige tanks
Carriers < Lockdown + Goliaths/Wraiths
Guardian fleets < Wraiths + Irridate

You get my drift?Sorry but no way, José.

Got ur 'Toss shields depleted (against EMP)?
Not that many folks use it in (human player) battles 'cause it's 2 costy (2 upgrade). Sieged Tanks are better. But if they use it, that's why Shield Bats are 4... if u want 2 prevent it better (EMP) try 2 cast Feedbacks at the S.Vessel, if u can. :P

Bunker cheese with Tanks along near'em (when Terran turtles)? Bring Mutas along.

Wraiths + Irradiate.
Bring always Ovies (counter cloacking) and don't do the stupid thing 2 morph all Mutas in2 Guardians. N' mix Guardians with Hydras, if terrain allows it. ;)

Now grasped ours? :)

[UnHoly-Assassin]

My favorite strategy for the zerg is to mass lings with dark swarms. Most people will try to mass other long ranged units, so that'll work out pretty well.

For terran, irridating a worker unit surrounded by tons of other worker units is awesome too (unless their probes, then i'd seige them from a cliff if possible) Tanks are a asset of the terran race. What would they do without it?

Protoss...now THATs a big one. I have soooo many strategies for tossies. How about both templar+reaver+scouts? Or i just mass carriers with arbiters and scouts...doesn't need to be a money map to do that if you can manage ur economy well.

[Basan]

My favorite strategy for the zerg is to mass lings with dark swarms. Most people will try to mass other long ranged units, so that'll work out pretty well.
Not, if they're smart. A Terran gets a few of 'Bats (maybe inside Bunkers or with the usual Medics vs. a Zergie) and u kiss goodbye 2 the 'Lings.
A 'Tossie as always a couple of 'Lots... and when u get the tech tree up 2 Defs., they've got their speed upg. It's an numbers match, where u must have more 'Lings than he/she has 'Lots. Only with the attack upg.,the Zerglings might stand a chance in even matches.
As 4 vs. Zergs, u've got the idea already... :(

For terran, irridating a worker unit surrounded by tons of other worker units is awesome too (unless their probes, then i'd seige them from a cliff if possible) Tanks are a asset of the terran race. What would they do without it?
This maybe is the best way with Terrans, but a drop would get the Tanks 2 damage each other if u don't have'em backed up (Turrets and Vults. is best 4 this or the 'Rines n' Medics). If not, it's going 2 turn in2 a (kamikaze) bomb drop.

Protoss...now THATs a big one. I have soooo many strategies for tossies. How about both templar+reaver+scouts? Or i just mass carriers with arbiters and scouts...doesn't need to be a money map to do that if you can manage ur economy well.
Agreed on this 1... ;)
But keep in mind that if u go in a pathed plan n' the opponent counters it, u must be aware that going another way around isn't mercyfull on 'Toss economy... and u must use what u've got 2 put the fire out and addapt it with wich units u can pump out in the mid-time. :P

[Renegade_Zealot]

I did quite a bit of thourough thinking on this subject, and I would have to say that the races are mostly balanced, and it depends what kind of player you are. For instance, I am terrible with Terran, but am okay with Zerg and best with Protoss (true to my name.)

Personally I cannot grasp any strategies with Terran as I do not know much except maybe the 5-min nuke, the M&M rush, M+F&M rush, Tank Push, etc...

With Zerg, I feel that the only way I can possibly win is just massing units with 5+ Hatcheries. This gets boring pretty quickly and I feel there isn't much way to tactically manage units.

Now Protoss is different. I know many more strats (Dragoon + Arbiter combo, Zealot Rush, Dragoon Mass, Reaver Drop, HT Drop, etc, etc, etc...) making them more fun to play, I understand their build order better, and I can micromanage better. Also, Protoss has a upper hand in Super Annoyance (build on gas, run away with probe, let them attack, cancel, etc...) while zerg can't do squat and terran's SCV can be killed easily.

That's just my thoughts, so don't flame me.

[Draix]

Ugh, whats with all this "Protoss is best because they can MC all three races"? First off in a real SC game you will not have the time or money to MC, i swear i have never seen someone MC workers in non money because it is pointless, sure u have another race but now for you too build it up fast enough you have too put at least 75% of your attention on the other race while your enemy mounts his next attack. This is also assuming you have room in your base for an extra race, i think it is not possable too MC a worker on non money and be able to build up a second army, well im sure it is if your playing a noob who has not played more then five games and your some kind of sick sadistic bastard. :o
Anyway on the subject on which race is the best, i have too say that if a really good terran player went against a really good toss player then the terran would win, and if he was going against a very good zerg player the zerg would win. But Terran is my fav race, i hate toss because all i see are toss on b.net. :cry:

[Jorix]

they were being sarcastic...sigh.

and because youre good (or better, at least) at tvp and bad at tvz then it must be z>t>p then, right? -_-;

[Jim_Raynor]

zerg is the bestrace nomatter what anyone can say all u got to do is mass gardians and a few devours and u got yourself an army :_owned:

[Hayley]

zerg is the bestrace nomatter what anyone can say all u got to do is mass gardians and a few devours and u got yourself an army
Umm.. No.

[Basan]

zerg is the bestrace nomatter what anyone can say all u got to do is mass gardians and a few devours and u got yourself an armyUmm.. No.Lol, Hayley...

And Jim_R, what are u talkin' about? Money maps, maybe? That isn't a debate issue here... most of the time (at least)! *Nods head in a NO NO 2 money maps*