Who and what is Samir Duran? [split]

[Darkslayer633]

My opinion is that the Zerg vs Protoss and Terran storyline is getting old. We need something new.

A bit like in WarCraft II, where we learnt that the Orcs were a race that were brought to Earth through a Dark Portal and controlled by the burning legion. We need something deep like that, not just Zerg vs Terran and Protoss again.

I think Duran would be a great way to open up the story, hopefully the Xel'Naga story is more complicated than we think.
yes yes i got it they do find out that there is a sort of infinite being or race that is under the control of Duran and kerrigan the protoss rulers and the confederates realise their oncomming doom so they decide to team up against this almighty being

[BSTRhino]

Do you think Duran is evil?

[Darkslayer633]

Do you think Duran is evil?well ya sorta but mabye it is possible that there is another being who is evil kinda like an over mind except even more powerful that is controlling duran and there is no way to just bypass duran in order to control this all powerful race

EDIT: BTW
I haven't worked out all the kinks in that story so work with me here

[BSTRhino]

Well, yeah, it's a bit like the StarCraft.org poll a few weeks ago. 'Are the Zerg really evil?'

One of the options was, they're not evil, they were just minding their own business until the Terrans and Protoss got away. Evil really depends on your point of view.

Anyway, Duran a supreme being? Heh... I don't know about that. I've always felt he's a representative of some supreme being or race, most probably the Xel'Naga. I mean, the Xel'Naga were obsessed with creating the perfect race, and they had also said somewhere in the campaign that the Xel'Naga's experiments were to combine the Zerg and Protoss into one race. In the bonus mission, that's just what's happening.

I have trouble believing Duran would be the last remnant of the Xel'Naga, but what he really is, is a mystery.

BTW: I've split the thread, so we can discuss Duran's character in here, and the general storyline in the other thread.

[Akuma]

Consider the following:

Duran states how ridiculously old he is.

Xel'Naga theories:
We have no indication of the lifespan of a Xel'Naga, but if they can engineer a longevous race such as the Protoss, it can be assumed that they have previously imbued themselves with extended life.

Overmind theory:
The Overmind is fairly old, but not quite to the magnitude Duran suggests.

Duran could summon psionic and biological abilities, even impersonating a pure-infested Terran (like Kerrigan) well enough to blend in with the Zerg.

Xel'Naga Theories:
We have no idea of the Xel'Naga as a race. They undoubtedly have supreme psionic powers, but how could they produce substances like a Zerg Queen?

Overmind theory:
This theory states that Duran was directly infested by the Overmind itself, which implanted itself into his body. How else would he become an Infested Terran to the degree Kerrigan was? She has so far not shown the ability to transmute others as the Overmind did to her. Duran can also command the Swarms to an extent.

Duran masterminded a project to create "the Hybrid."

Xel'Naga Theories:
We know the Xel'Naga attempted to create the perfect species; however, would they really return to attempt to combine their two greatest successes/failures, knowing that separately each species attempted to destroy their creators?

Overmind theory:
We know that the Overmind's only goal was the assimilation of the Protoss into the Zerg gene pool. Given a Terran mind to conceive technological ways to acheive its goal, it would undoubtedly do so.

[Nuclear1]

Xel'Naga theories:
We have no indication of the lifespan of a Xel'Naga, but if they can engineer a longevous race such as the Protoss, it can be assumed that they have previously imbued themselves with extended life.
That's just a given. Next.


Overmind theory:
The Overmind is fairly old, but not quite to the magnitude Duran suggests.

The Overmind is tens of thousands of years old, IIRC when it was created by the Xel'Naga.


Xel'Naga Theories:
We have no idea of the Xel'Naga as a race. They undoubtedly have supreme psionic powers, but how could they produce substances like a Zerg Queen?

I don't think they need to. Last I remember, they just imbued powers into the little Zerg worms to infest certain organisms on the first planet until the Zerg assimilated the entire planet. The Overmind then turned on its creators and well... next.


Overmind theory:
This theory states that Duran was directly infested by the Overmind itself, which implanted itself into his body. How else would he become an Infested Terran to the degree Kerrigan was? She has so far not shown the ability to transmute others as the Overmind did to her. Duran can also command the Swarms to an extent.

The infestation of Duran by the Overmind is very logical, considering the Overmind's turning on the Xel'Naga. Duran's ability to alter his voice and characteristics was possibly a Xel'Naga ability left over after his infestation.


Duran masterminded a project to create "the Hybrid."

The Xel'Naga had tried to combine the two races for a long time, IIRC. Duran only said that he was a 'servant of a far greater power'.


Xel'Naga Theories:
We know the Xel'Naga attempted to create the perfect species; however, would they really return to attempt to combine their two greatest successes/failures, knowing that separately each species attempted to destroy their creators?

Of course they would have. A combination of Protoss and Zerg would be nearly unstoppable, and they could very well easily imbue such a race with an unshakable will to serve.

[Ole-The-Murder]

Next to Jim Raynor, Tassadar and Zeratul, Samir Duran's one of the favorites. A calculating, tactical mind, perhaps a fool with uneeded secrecy sometimes, but a deep character, good tactican, and an agent of many sides of the conflict, with interesting abilities, opportunities, and one who sways the balance in different directions.

I will look forward to the hybrids he bring, the revealings of the xel'naga who made him and the overmind, and why he was consumed by the zerg? And freed himself from them to contact Zeratul in the secret mission I have never seen but if someone wishes to share it with me what happened there..text, picture, replay...then so be it.

I'd discuss more seriously in this thread on a later point.
Go Duran!

[Akuma]

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Xel'Naga Theories:
We have no idea of the Xel'Naga as a race. They undoubtedly have supreme psionic powers, but how could they produce substances like a Zerg Queen?

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I don't think they need to. Last I remember, they just imbued powers into the little Zerg worms to infest certain organisms on the first planet until the Zerg assimilated the entire planet. The Overmind then turned on its creators and well... next.
They did not imbue powers into the larvae such as Ensnare etc., rather they increased the Zerg's survivability and adaptibility, allowing its parasitic nature to run unchecked and assimilate these abilities into its own gene pool.

The Xel'Naga had tried to combine the two races for a long time, IIRC. Duran only said that he was a 'servant of a far greater power'.
The Xel'Naga did not try to combine the two races per se; more the concepts they stood for (purity of essence, purity of form)

Of course they would have. A combination of Protoss and Zerg would be nearly unstoppable, and they could very well easily imbue such a race with an unshakable will to serve.
To what end? The Xel'Naga as far as we know were the genetic equivalent of kids playing with LEGO. They knew what they wanted and tried lots of different ways to acheive it, but the end result was just an experiment, nothing more. If they wanted servitors, they would shoot for less than perfection, seeing as how that would make their slaves stronger than themselves. Consider as well what they did with the Zerg: Attempt to interfere less, improving only those aspects which would contribute to the basic drive they had imbued the Zerg with, which was, essentially: become greater. Not often do you hear a servant getting told to do that.

Clearly, they had time to burn (sat back and observed their engineered worlds, waiting for one to produce anything of promise) so I think servitude is right out. Jut my two cents here.

[Ole-The-Murder]

yes yes i got it they do find out that there is a sort of infinite being or race that is under the control of Duran and kerrigan the protoss rulers and the confederates realise their oncomming doom so they decide to team up against this almighty being

Hmmmm....not exactly true. If it's Xel'Naga you mean, that's the infinite being, they're not/was not infinite, rather very powerful, but just as finite as the race of men. Though vastly more powerful, and many levels above them. And no, not under the control of Duran, rather opposite; They control Duran, and he is a agent of them, and his orders are to make a hybrid of Zerg...and Protoss, to their service. And why should Kerrigan, the Protoss Rules, and the "confederates" (more like the Sons of Korhal) unite against the Xel'Naga, when it's more lucrative for buisness to ally with them and get nifty hybryd-merceneries to fight against it's each other? Because they're doomed anyways, fighting against Xel'Naga, is like preparing to meet their maker!

Wruahahahahahhahahahahh!
Perhaps a combined strength might bring them down, but what for? It just destroy buisness. And I'd rather have hybrids in my army than trying to destroy them, and if they try to make a threath, we'll go united on them - to great numbers of lost men. They have each other in check; Zerg, Protoss and Terran combined can kick Xel'Nagas' ass (thought barely) and Xel'Naga has hybrids, who will give them heavy losses before a victory is trough, and even then, who shall have hybrids left to protect them from themselves? No. Let's have Xel'Naga as an ancient neutral faction, who just provide the three warring factions with hybrid mercs. Yup. That's juSt my two cents here.

[Killphill]

The Terrans and the Protoss would never ally themselves with the Zerg, or the Hybrids. Look at what the Zerg have done to them and how Kerrigan and Duran tricked them.

I don't think it would realy take more then a human mind to figure out that it might make somthing wacky if you mix to of the most powerful races together.

Did Duran ever say that he was a servant of a great power? That changes everything.

[Darkslayer633]

The Terrans and the Protoss would never ally themselves with the Zerg, or the Hybrids. Look at what the Zerg have done to them and how Kerrigan and Duran tricked them.

I don't think it would realy take more then a human mind to figure out that it might make somthing wacky if you mix to of the most powerful races together.

Did Duran ever say that he was a servant of a great power? That changes everything.
ah yes but if the terran and the more stubbron protoss realized that they were doomed without the help and knowelge that kerrigan has gained from duran then why wouldn't they request the help of the zerg?

[BSTRhino]

Hmmm... he could be a servant of a great power, but he could be human. Just some great being is giving him the power. Maybe it has something to do with Terrazine gas, which happens to be Nova's ultimate goal in StarCraft: Ghost. Terrazine gas is a powerful psychic reagent. In Ghost, all three races will be interested in it.

[Akuma]

That, I belive, is what allows him to become infested yet break free of Kerrigan's control easily; his body and mind are two separate entities. I believe he is a human body being psonically controlled by some higher being.

The question, of course, is if he is serving the Xel'Naga or something else...

[Magmaniac]

heres my idea: after the xels tried the toss and zerg which failed, they went on to another planet and tried again and succeded, making the Terrans. Then they went to destroy their failures, and found their terrans in a war with the failures. They took control of Duran, and using him to breed some powerful warriors to serve them to destroy the zerg and protoss.

:-D

[Darkslayer633]

Mabye it is the xel'naga trying to improve themselves, they created zerg and protoss so that meand they have the powers of both at their disposal so now mabye they are trying to incorprate the terran into themselves

[Ole-The-Murder]

Sometimes, races have to unite against a common foe despite their disagreements, or die. Even if terrans hate zergs, f.eg, and protoss. Kerrigan even joined the Protoss against the UED.

I whouldn't believe that Xel'Naga made Zerg and Protoss to become better than them and to expand their power and reign, seeing as that whould perhaps make the creations stronger than them, with a will of their own they could overthrow the xel'Naga and rule for themselves. Therefore they whould have to make servants lesser than them, of course. Can't have them banding togheter and just crushing their masters, no. Must be of moderate, controllable strength, no, yes?

[Original_JaminGrit]

Hmmm... he could be a servant of a great power, but he could be human.Ha, maybe Duran isn't as smart as we thought. Maybe he's just crazy. Though if he were smart _and_ crazy, he might be just as dangerous as someone who was serving a great power.

What I mean is that maybe he thinks he is serving a greater power that doesn't really exist. Perhaps he is a false prophet for the Xel Naga, and he does this all for them? What if he succeeds, but meanwhile the Xel Naga are off minding their own business, leaving Duran with these zerg-protoss hybrids that eventually kill him and go off on their own?

I'm just sort of joking around, but this would make a cool plot twist.

***By the way, it seems that a few of you don't really know what's going on. To see Duran's part in the story, when he reveals what his future plans are, you have to go through a bonus level in the zerg campaign of broodwar. Look around at some websites, and you'll be able to figure how to get to the bonus level. Then you'll get all of the gory details.***

[Tenebrae]

I believe Duran was created by the Xel'Naga as a shapeshifter of sorts. Able to shift not only his physical appearance but also his DNA into the three other races due to the Xel'Naga once having their DNA on record. His mind (or essence) greatly evolved so that he can fake being infested without Kerrigan's knowledge and the ability to alter his genetic structure to actually BE infested without being truly under her control.

As this shapshifter of the three races he could of been among the Protoss for a great deal of time without them even knowing...just another fallen comrade they forgot about. That would explain how he got his Protoss sample...but then again that wouldn't be too hard due to the amount of bodies upon Auir.

I believe his main programing if you will, or drive. Was to finish the Xel'Naga's project and make the ultimate race...

[Lethas_the_Bold]

Good idea but how about this one:

Since we know from SC Zerg backstory that they incorporated Xel'Naga into themselves (that is what they do best) and that the Overmind actually incorporated their mins within in itself, it stands to reason that Xel'Nagan agenda existed within the Overmind somewhere. In fact, that is what the Overmind is trying to do in SC, merge the two races.

I think Duran is an infested much like Kerrigan with some (to what extant i can not be sure) Xel'Nagan psionic energies (to some extant corrupted by their Zerg interface) within his mind.

Xel'Nagan agenda is somewhat speculative, though i could see them as rising again through the Hybrids. They were trying to create a new and improved form for themselves and with the Hybirds they finally succeed.

How's that for a SC II premise!

[Tenebrae]

Xel'Nagan agenda is somewhat speculative, though i could see them as rising again through the Hybrids. They were trying to create a new and improved form for themselves and with the Hybirds they finally succeed.

How's that for a SC II premise!

BLAH!!! Silence yourself right there! That's the idea I intend to send in :P Shush no more talk of it....it's the rarest of ideas that have been floating around. I posted it on here ONCE before the forums changed the layout and no one else said anything like it till you just now....least no one that I know of. No more talk of it :P Must get it into SCII I love that idea.

[Topace]

Heh. apperently you guys didn't play the bonus levels on brood war. Duran is part of a Supreme race that has come(i forget why) but they ar not evil, they are actually going to destoy the zerg. Duran himself said so on one of the planets you run into while Zeratul is looking for Artanis. That will be the new race in SCII. During the whole story of brood war you see all the races get dooped but in the bonus levels you find that it is really Duran that doops Kerrigan. Heck ill go play it again if anyone has questions, I can get his exact words if you want.

[Tenebrae]

Heh. apperently you guys didn't play the bonus levels on brood war. Duran is part of a Supreme race that has come(i forget why) but they ar not evil, they are actually going to destoy the zerg. Duran himself said so on one of the planets you run into while Zeratul is looking for Artanis. That will be the new race in SCII. During the whole story of brood war you see all the races get dooped but in the bonus levels you find that it is really Duran that doops Kerrigan. Heck ill go play it again if anyone has questions, I can get his exact words if you want.
Heh, apparently you need to read what we actually type before you respond to it.

Duran stated that he was a pawn of a "Higher" power whom had been "Sleeping" for countless ages.

This could very well fit the Xel'Naga whom were slaughtered by the Zerg. If their physical bodies are destroyed and their spiritual essence remained and awaited to be reborn. That could be considered as sleeping.

Thus the bonus mission is what we're going off of. But it really left things pretty open for interpretation. There are so many different ways they could go with it.

[saursrex]

Where can I get these bonus missions? I've never heard of them.

[Chiron]

One of the bonus missions is right after "The Reckoning" in the Zerg campaign. That mission is to wipe out the Protoss base on Char in under 30 minutes. Then you start the bonus mission "Dark Origins", when you command Zeratul, 2 dragoons and 4 dark archons against Terrans.

[UnHoly-Assassin]

I think the Xel'Naga should be left extinct. It would ruin a major suspense in the storyline if suddenly the all mysterious Xel'Nagas appear and have tea with the Terran and Protoss. Let the Hybrids be the new race, and leave the Xel'Naga they way they were: dead.

Duran is...well he IS partially human. Or is he? Both his forms, Terran or Infested, have human attributes. Unless he can shift into the form of a hydralisk or any pure zerg, he is to me human in origin. If Duran is a Xel'Naga, then shouldn't he be able to shift into Protoss form as well? Sure he has no reason to now, but he could've caused dissent in the Protoss too. Humans were not created by the Xel'Naga (at least I hope not) so if Duran is partially human then that must mean he's not really a Xel'Naga. At the most he can be just a Terran who had a dream and is inspired by some weird ghost or something.

But I do wish the SC2 have some sort of major twist to it, like how Kerrigan became infested. Maybe Duran will be part of that twist...I'll leave that up to Blizzard.

Hmm...I thought that the black dude in the intro cinematic of Brood War is duran, even if he looks much fatter. Well, it shows in the ending that kerrigan had white hair tied in a bun, so why can't that marine listening to rock in the beginning be duran? Just a thought.

[Lethas_the_Bold]

First off let me say to Tenebrae great minds think alike and thanking u for noting this humble poster.
I tend to have a gift for story plot points and this not only fits BW but it is a really cool direction (enough with self-flattery though).

As far as leaving Xel'Naga dead, why there are a lot of SC fans who want them alive. They want to know more about them for one thing.

Also the idea doesn't circumvent the Hybrids because in effect the Xel'Naga become the Hybrids so what changes? Well Hybrids on their own seem to strike me as mindless like the Zerg so they become Infested Protoss? What fun would that be except to have hostile critters roaming the landscape?

If you want the Hybrids you have to explain how they're gonna suddenly form a civilization in the midst of all the chaos. When you draw on their origin you have a reason - their purpose of being.

I merely suggested what that might be along with Duran's role in all of it.

Until canon proves me wrong I will continue to exercise my right to believe that the truth is what I said it was.

Feel free to call me wrong but with story anything is possible till you etch it in stone

[Keisuke-kun]

The Terrans and the Protoss would never ally themselves with the Zerg, or the Hybrids. Look at what the Zerg have done to them and how Kerrigan and Duran tricked them.

I don't think it would realy take more then a human mind to figure out that it might make somthing wacky if you mix to of the most powerful races together.

Did Duran ever say that he was a servant of a great power? That changes everything.
Maybe the Dominion and the Protoss but not the UED. The UED are oppurtunists and if they find something useful they use it. Also remember the blizzard deception map of the UED secrets. Stukov was regenerated using zerg infestation techniques. In the blizzard n64 map they say that by combining his DNA with that of a cerebrate they were able to reanimate him and that gives evidence that he may have control over a brood. I think it is very likley if not a given that we will see him in SCII.

[UnHoly-Assassin]

Now theres a thought...I always liked twists in storylines. Maybe instead of twists in which the good guys become bad, a bad guy can turn out to be a good guy. However the UED might be different now. Their attitude might change once Admiral Dugalle gets replaced.

[Darkslayer633]

I think the Xel'Naga should be left extinct. It would ruin a major suspense in the storyline if suddenly the all mysterious Xel'Nagas appear and have tea with the Terran and Protoss. Let the Hybrids be the new race, and leave the Xel'Naga they way they were: dead.

Duran is...well he IS partially human. Or is he? Both his forms, Terran or Infested, have human attributes. Unless he can shift into the form of a hydralisk or any pure zerg, he is to me human in origin. If Duran is a Xel'Naga, then shouldn't he be able to shift into Protoss form as well? Sure he has no reason to now, but he could've caused dissent in the Protoss too. Humans were not created by the Xel'Naga (at least I hope not) so if Duran is partially human then that must mean he's not really a Xel'Naga. At the most he can be just a Terran who had a dream and is inspired by some weird ghost or something.

But I do wish the SC2 have some sort of major twist to it, like how Kerrigan became infested. Maybe Duran will be part of that twist...I'll leave that up to Blizzard.

Hmm...I thought that the black dude in the intro cinematic of Brood War is duran, even if he looks much fatter. Well, it shows in the ending that kerrigan had white hair tied in a bun, so why can't that marine listening to rock in the beginning be duran? Just a thought.
but who's to say that the humans weren't created by the xel'naga, mabye their two races the protoss and the zerg were out of control and they created the human race in order to destroy the remaining forces of both the zerg and the protoss

[Original_JaminGrit]

but who's to say that the humans weren't created by the xel'naga, mabye their two races the protoss and the zerg were out of control and they created the human race in order to destroy the remaining forces of both the zerg and the protoss
That's a cool idea. And it works, because we know that the Xel 'Naga synthesized many different alien races, not just the zerg and protoss. And it is possible that they survived the zerg slaughter, but I don't like that idea. We don't know how many races in how many places the Xel 'Naga created, and the zerg was their last creation as far as we know. It's possible that one of their races actually was humanity on Earth.

Before the main story of Starcraft takes place, the protoss, with their spiritual quest of Khala, explore the nearby universe and looks after other races, mostly misfit children of the Xel'Naga. Alternately, the zerg ravage the nearby planets of any useful life forms, and assimilate them (like the Borg on star trek, not a bad angle). But who's to say that they aren't more Xel'Nagan-created races, drifting around on the own? Could humanity be one such race? And where did the Xel'Naga come from?

Anyways, this has nothing at all to do with the current thread, unless you believe that maybe Xel'Naga's creation of the three races has something to do with Duran's plan.

[Darkslayer633]

That's a cool idea. And it works, because we know that the Xel 'Naga synthesized many different alien races, not just the zerg and protoss. And it is possible that they survived the zerg slaughter, but I don't like that idea. We don't know how many races in how many places the Xel 'Naga created, and the zerg was their last creation as far as we know. It's possible that one of their races actually was humanity on Earth.

Before the main story of Starcraft takes place, the protoss, with their spiritual quest of Khala, explore the nearby universe and looks after other races, mostly misfit children of the Xel'Naga. Alternately, the zerg ravage the nearby planets of any useful life forms, and assimilate them (like the Borg on star trek, not a bad angle). But who's to say that they aren't more Xel'Nagan-created races, drifting around on the own? Could humanity be one such race? And where did the Xel'Naga come from?

Anyways, this has nothing at all to do with the current thread, unless you believe that maybe Xel'Naga's creation of the three races has something to do with Duran's plan.
well ya like when they created the humans they gave duran these powers that he has allowing him to make kerrigan think she has him infested, as well these powers were meant to allow duran to control the human race and use them to destroy the zerg.

[Pisces]

Ok, The possibility that Duran is controlled by Xel Naga is very real but I doubt he was created by them. The Xel Naga are either dead, sleeping or only just started watching; either way they only just heard of Kerrigan and they wouldn't have controlled the events, they would have no idea that Kerrigan would kill the overmind etc, Duran being a pawn is obvious but the ones have no more control over the events than Duran; so I'd say Duran is an infested Terran nothing more.

My 3 possibilities which all involve Kerrigan does not have enough power to control him which is logical because they are both infested humans or equal orgins.
The rebirth of the overmind: Other cerebrates may still live and even if not, the mind of the overmind lay in its creatures, Duran could act as a new CPU for all the pieces of the overmind or is being controlled by other cerebrates.
Terran influence: He may be doing this as a pact or Terran federations(unlikely UED) are controlling him by psi emittor which was surely easily mastered while the overmind was pacified. By the way he acts, I don't think he is a mindless pawn and is doing it in a pact. This also explains his large Terran forces, Humans can be controlled like the zerg but they would need some form of overlords to control them locally, I did not see lots of psi emittors or overlords in the bonus mission which leads me to believe they are doing it by their own free will. Note, when you first meet Duran he does have Terran forces, however they may be mercenaries or a few under his control, his major operation is over a multi plantary basis at "more locations than you shall be able to stop"
Last is the Xel Naga theory which is stated by pretty much everyone else: He is controlled by the last of the Xel Naga and attempts to recreate their experiments.

[UnHoly-Assassin]

The possibitity that the humans were created to bring revenge upon the Xel'Naga's extermination is a feasible idea. In fact, I myself mentioned that somewhere, probrably in another thread. But the thing is Starcraft takes place in the far future, about 60000 years later. The overmind was created by the Xel'Naga, and the overmind was destroyed at about age 10000. So humanity has to be created about 50000 years from now for the Xel'Naga to create them for the purpose of revenge. But still it could be possible that the Xel'Naga created humans a long time before that with a whole other purpose.

Whoah...I wonder what the StarCraft creators would be thinking if they were reading this...that we were talking about how their made up ideas can be to us the idea how we got created...creepy

[Stonehand]

Hold on.... Didn't the starcraft manual (the first one) Clearly stated that the Xel'Naga were wiped out because that the Overmind's Corruption on were they were talking about the Zerg? (Pg. 53, "Fall of the Xel'Naga")

[Cross_Fire]

Whoah...I wonder what the StarCraft creators would be thinking if they were reading this...that we were talking about how their made up ideas can be to us the idea how we got created...creepyThey probably go onto any online forum or whatever that has SCII oppinions in it. Then they read all of our oppinions and laugh their heads off at our futile attempts at trying to fiqure out the SCII storyline.

[Hunta]

They probably go onto any online forum or whatever that has SCII oppinions in it. Then they read all of our oppinions and laugh their heads off at our futile attempts at trying to fiqure out the SCII storyline.

I don't think so. Some of our theories are really good, I mean those at BF. Besides of that, Blizzard employees don't have time enough to read through all the SC2 forums that exist. I wouldn't count on it that they read this, they are not allowed to use our idea's anyway.

Hold on.... Didn't the starcraft manual (the first one) Clearly stated that the Xel'Naga were wiped out because that the Overmind's Corruption on were they were talking about the Zerg? (Pg. 53, "Fall of the Xel'Naga")

No, the manual clearly stated the greater whole of the Xel'Naga was assimilated. Now there's a difference between greater whole and all of them.

[UnHoly-Assassin]

aah...another unsolved mystery in the storyline: what were the Xel'Naga doing for the last 10000 years? @_@

We as consumers can in fact have our opinions or suggestions noted. I mean, it is us who buys the game right? So I hope they take some of our suggestions.

[Hunta]

aah...another unsolved mystery in the storyline: what were the Xel'Naga doing for the last 10000 years? @_@

Rebuilding their once glorious civilization and plotting how to take over the universe by creating the perfect lifeform? :D

We as consumers can in fact have our opinions or suggestions noted. I mean, it is us who buys the game right? So I hope they take some of our suggestions.

Nope, it seems to be against their policy :( They can't accept direct fan idea's for some reason. I guess they don't want to get sued.

[Stonehand]

Oh.. I see

[The_Flood]

I don't think you can call Duran evil. I'd say he's neither yet, because we do not know what he speaks for or what he intends to accomplish. About the three teaming up, I don't mind so long as Kerrigan doesn't win in the end like last time. I WISH SHE'D JUST DIE! Like Jim raynor said

[UnHoly-Assassin]

Jim Raynor had a crush on Kerrigan. It's implied. Or at least he used to. But I hope Jim Raynor play a more active part than Brood War. If you say that Duran isn't evil, you can say Kerrigan is a fangirl (those that aren't evil, that is *shudders*).

[Pisces]

I played the zerg campaign again and noticed 2 things, the overmind wishs to absorb the protoss energys into himself to be 'perfect', and the overmind existed without a physical body for a long time. This would one of my possibilities is very possible, means/modivation for the traces of the overmind to be controling Duran. However from a writers perspective, I doubt this will be the story in starcraft 2; because you had to kill the overmind tooo many times.

[UnHoly-Assassin]

I agree. Plus, duran said that he is a "servant of a far greater power". And that "far greater power" is the overmind? I don't think so. I think that "far greater power" is something that wouldn't be easily defeated by one carrier, even if there is a Tassadar on it.

[Calibur]

Just a theory but the Xelnaga did come come from another galaxy so what cau8sed them to leave. Maybe their glaxy just dissapaited or maybe An extremely powerful race conqured their galaxy and kicked them out so now the have to make the perfect beings just in case that drak race was to show up in the world of starcraft ,but thats more of a starcraft 3 kinda thing .

[zakyui]

Duran's cool....

[UnHoly-Assassin]

Think of it this way: Duran wouldn't hesitate a second to kill you if it'll get him a dime. To me, Duran is an evil mastermind. That has my deepest respect, even if I wouldn't side with him.

[my_2cents]

Mabye it is the xel'naga trying to improve themselves, they created zerg and protoss so that meand they have the powers of both at their disposal so now mabye they are trying to incorprate the terran into themselvesWhat does the Terran race have that Protoss and Zerg do not? Psionics? Strength? Morality? Ingenuity? Speed? I don't think the Xel'zaga would need a puny race such as the Terran to improve themselves.

Note: this post has only a bit of what the thread title is about,
(Thread: Who and what is Samir Duran? [split] (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=3754))

[UnHoly-Assassin]

Humans have an aspect that Protoss and Zerg lack. It is curiosity. Because of curiosity the UED were able to control the Zerg through the overmind, while the Protoss would never have thought such a thing.

[daemon2]

the protoss wouldnt have thought of it because the overmind is an 'abomination' so it would go against their beliefs. also the terrans have other things that protoss and zerg lack. they dont think the way the overmind and teh protoss do, which could yield good results. however if they were actually created by the xel'naga wouldn't that mean that the zerg would've known about them? when the zerg assimilated the xel'naga the overmind learned about the existence of every race the xel'naga made but it says the overmind discovered the terrans while trying to find a way to defeat the protoss.

Also it wasnt curiosity that drove the UED to control the overmind, it was a desire. they didnt intend to just brainwash it,test-drive it for a few days and then see what happens, they wanted to control it and use the zerg as a weapon.

[Pisces]

Ok, my thoughts is that zerg is the perfect body and protoss are the perfect mind. Zerg have a psyonic link which controlls this body but there are no troops with psyonics besides Kerrigan who is an infested Terran. The humans have a flesh form which as you see by the death animation, protoss do not share, yet they also have psyonics in certain individauls which makes you assume that psyonics are just naturally supressed in the rest (or it was a mutation, but I get the impression that it was a mutation that it stopped being supressed).

Humans do not have anything which zerg and protoss lack but they are the middle ground of mind and body being weaker in both aspects. Perhaps Duran's experminants will result in a human? Unlikely but who knows but the writters?

[Original_JaminGrit]

The basic story is that the zerg recognized the protoss as their biggest threat, and that they must be conquered and assimilated. The zerg's biggest problem was that they were defenseless against the protoss' psionic abilities. The zerg and the protoss both encountered the terrans before each other, however. The protoss, according to their spiritual quest of khala, decided to take care of the terrans and observe from a distance, like they already were taking care of other races created by the Xel'Naga. They wanted to watch, but not interfere in the terran's development. When the zerg discovered the terrans, they looked for the best way to take advantage of them. They recognized the terran's psionic potential, and decided to assimilate the terrans and use their psionic genes as a weapon against the protoss, or at least a defense. And so, the zerg infested Chau Sara, and the protoss sadly found that the only way they could save themselves from the zerg was to annihilate all terran worlds infested by the zerg, and so destroyed Chau Sara.

This is the basic history of the zerg and protoss races, and most you who have the original Starcraft instruction manual will have already known this.

Humans do not have anything which zerg and protoss lack but they are the middle ground of mind and body being weaker in both aspects.

I agree that there is nothing that sets the terrans apart from the other races, rather, it's the balance of protoss psionics/technology and zerg mass/biological qualities that make the terrans a special race. Terrans are the youngest race, of course, but if they had as much time to mature and evolve as the protoss and zerg, could they be even better than both? Probably not, as the common belief is that as humans evolve, we gain intellect and lose physical power. (Eg; people without wisdom teeth in the back of their mouths are technically "less evolved" than people who have fewer teeth, and as humans evolve we will keep losing teeth.) In effect, we may be more like the protoss in the future (who don't appear to have any teeth at all).

I thank those of you patient enough to read this far, because I _am_ getting to a point and it _does_ involve this thread's topic. Whatever Duran's plans are, they probably don't include terran genes. He wants to make protoss/zerg hybrids, and terrans really don't have any special qualities that would make them a good ingredient for Duran's recipe. Whatever Duran plans to do with his new race, they will be strong enough to take on the protoss and the zerg, and be like the terrans except twice as strong and twice as smart. The hybrids will not rely on technology as much as the protoss, but will range in different units meant for different things. And since Duran is combining genes, you know he'll be able to isolate and remove any genes that could cause any sort of weakness. In short, Duran is breeding an army with malicious implications. Or maybe it's like what Pisces said, and Duran's experiments will result in new humans? Maybe Duran is a hybrid himself?

[UnHoly-Assassin]

I sense a new twist! =)

[Hunta]

The basic story is that the zerg recognized the protoss as their biggest threat, and that they must be conquered and assimilated. The zerg's biggest problem was that they were defenseless against the protoss' psionic abilities. The zerg and the protoss both encountered the terrans before each other, however. The protoss, according to their spiritual quest of khala, decided to take care of the terrans and observe from a distance, like they already were taking care of other races created by the Xel'Naga. They wanted to watch, but not interfere in the terran's development. When the zerg discovered the terrans, they looked for the best way to take advantage of them. They recognized the terran's psionic potential, and decided to assimilate the terrans and use their psionic genes as a weapon against the protoss, or at least a defense. And so, the zerg infested Chau Sara, and the protoss sadly found that the only way they could save themselves from the zerg was to annihilate all terran worlds infested by the zerg, and so destroyed Chau Sara.

This is the basic history of the zerg and protoss races, and most you who have the original Starcraft instruction manual will have already known this.



I agree that there is nothing that sets the terrans apart from the other races, rather, it's the balance of protoss psionics/technology and zerg mass/biological qualities that make the terrans a special race. Terrans are the youngest race, of course, but if they had as much time to mature and evolve as the protoss and zerg, could they be even better than both? Probably not, as the common belief is that as humans evolve, we gain intellect and lose physical power. (Eg; people without wisdom teeth in the back of their mouths are technically "less evolved" than people who have fewer teeth, and as humans evolve we will keep losing teeth.) In effect, we may be more like the protoss in the future (who don't appear to have any teeth at all).

I thank those of you patient enough to read this far, because I _am_ getting to a point and it _does_ involve this thread's topic. Whatever Duran's plans are, they probably don't include terran genes. He wants to make protoss/zerg hybrids, and terrans really don't have any special qualities that would make them a good ingredient for Duran's recipe. Whatever Duran plans to do with his new race, they will be strong enough to take on the protoss and the zerg, and be like the terrans except twice as strong and twice as smart. The hybrids will not rely on technology as much as the protoss, but will range in different units meant for different things. And since Duran is combining genes, you know he'll be able to isolate and remove any genes that could cause any sort of weakness. In short, Duran is breeding an army with malicious implications. Or maybe it's like what Pisces said, and Duran's experiments will result in new humans? Maybe Duran is a hybrid himself?

You say the Terrans have no special qualities or whatsoever. But you said the contrary yourself as well. The psionic potential of the Terrans is most definitely a special quality of them! Ever wondered how Kerrigan was able to gain so much power so fast as soon as she got infested? I will tell you, her psionic powers were greater than most Zerg, Terran and Protoss creatures at that time!

Also ever thought about how the Terrans managed to survive in the K-Sector, although they were in the middle of a gigantic battle between two class A warrior races? Apparently the Terrans possess some unique powers, or characteristics as I would rather call them. The Protoss and the Zerg don't reproduce like we (Terrans do). It's much easier for them to reproduce than for us. The drive for us to survive and thus to be able to reproduce is bigger than for the Zerg and Protoss. That give us unforeseen strength at unforeseen moments. Greed is another unique characteristic, it makes the Terrans unpredictable. Although this can be considered a good thing and a bad thing, it does makes us different. And dare I say it, but love is another unique thing of us Terrans, and it can make us move mountains. Can Protoss or Zerg love each other like we do? No, I didn't think so. Those two races have many shortcomings, or a lack of emotions compared to us.

However you want to call it, fact is we (Terrans) have things the Zerg and Protoss don't have. The powerful Hybrid creation might need Terran gene's. I wouldn't be too surprised, I mean there were Terran gene's involved in the secret bonus mission Dark Origin as well. "Where?" you ask. "Destroy all the Stasis Cell's" I answer. In one of them is an Infested Terran, which hints at Terran gene's being used.

[UnHoly-Assassin]

Very good points. But I believe the protoss does not reproduce that much, based on the assumption that the longer the lifespan the fewer the population. Well, protoss live up to thousands of years so they'd at least value their lives wouldn't they? The terrans use whatever they need to use, the zerg are limited to organic units and the protoss shun terran weaponry. Also the protoss hated the zerg too much to think of capturing an overmind, yet the terrans managed to anyway.

[zeratul777]

It doesn't take place in 50,000 years!!! The first missions in the original Starcraft say 24--. The ten-thousand year old overmind would line up with aproximately 7500 BC. I belieive that they may yet throw in something else: the old Overmind. In continuation of the thing about how the Overmind is not always corporeal, what if the Overmind himself transfered himself somewhere, to some beacon far away from Korprulu. He may have some sort of beacon that stores him on Zerus or some such world. He may also have been under Xel'Naga control for some time. His assimilation of all of those Xel'Naga may have been plotted by evil, controlling Xel'Naga who control Duran. Heck, Duran may be the Overmind himself in Terran form, although I am not suggesting anything with that.

I also have another suggestion: What if the greater whole of the Xel'naga have been destroyed twice. What if they created another race in their other galaxy that were the antithesis of the Hybrid?

One, more serious suggestion, is the Hybrid. What if Duran combined the genes in the wrong way? The Xel'Naga want a race perfect in form, perfect in essence. The Protoss are perfect in form. The Zerg are perfect in essence. What if the Hybrid gets its form from the Zerg side and its essence from the Protoss?

[Original_JaminGrit]

You say the Terrans have no special qualities or whatsoever. But you said the contrary yourself as well. The psionic potential of the Terrans is most definitely a special quality of them!

I still stick by what I said. The zerg had next to nil psionic potential. The protoss has had psionic powers since they were born, then it was lost, and then they gained it back by the end of the "Aeon of Strife". The Terran's psionic abilities doesn't really make them special. It just makes them the middle road species between the zerg and the protoss. And not every terran had psionic powers, either. Sarah Kerrigan was special, because she her own psionic powers were well developed, which was supposed to be why she was a good enough fighter to become a Lieutenant in the infamous "Sons of Korhal". But the terran race as a whole was not a psionically developed as the protoss. Also, the different range of human emotions are another thing. The zerg are mindless, and in case you haven't noticed, they posses some emotion too; greed, anger, and satisfaction from a job well done. While protoss also have emotions; pride, dignity, and also anger and respect of each other. Tassadar obvioulsy loved his people enough to die for them, and the dark templar often expressed sadness at leaving their home planet of Aiur. And so I stand by what I said. The only thing special about the terran is the way they have attributes from both protoss and zerg, which makes them so more adaptable. As for terrans being included in the hybrid project, I kind of doubt it; it seemed like Duran was just screwing around with possible experiments; I don't know whether terrans are really being used in hybrid production, and neither do you; a single infested terran isn't much evidence. Though I do enjoy a good debate once in a while, I'll drop this now.

Anyways, back to not playing the macho forum writer: I think it would be interesting if was some enemy race opposed to the Xel'Naga, and the protoss, zerg, and terrans were al just pawns in a universal game of chess. So rather than an anti-thesis of the hybrids, what if there was an anti-thesis of the Xel'Naga? I mean, why would the Xel'Naga want to go around trying to create the perfect race anyways? Were they hoping to develop the perfect army? So the only question would be: "Who is Duran working for, the Xel'Naga, or the Xel'Naga's enemies?" Of course, the only way to accept this theory would be to believe that the Xel'Naga still exist and plan to reveal themselves soon.

[daemon2]

The basic story is that the zerg recognized the protoss as their biggest threat, and that they must be conquered and assimilated. The zerg's biggest problem was that they were defenseless against the protoss' psionic abilities. The zerg and the protoss both encountered the terrans before each other, however. The protoss, according to their spiritual quest of khala, decided to take care of the terrans and observe from a distance, like they already were taking care of other races created by the Xel'Naga. They wanted to watch, but not interfere in the terran's development. When the zerg discovered the terrans, they looked for the best way to take advantage of them. They recognized the terran's psionic potential, and decided to assimilate the terrans and use their psionic genes as a weapon against the protoss, or at least a defense. And so, the zerg infested Chau Sara, and the protoss sadly found that the only way they could save themselves from the zerg was to annihilate all terran worlds infested by the zerg, and so destroyed Chau Sara.

This is the basic history of the zerg and protoss races, and most you who have the original Starcraft instruction manual will have already known this.



I agree that there is nothing that sets the terrans apart from the other races, rather, it's the balance of protoss psionics/technology and zerg mass/biological qualities that make the terrans a special race. Terrans are the youngest race, of course, but if they had as much time to mature and evolve as the protoss and zerg, could they be even better than both? Probably not, as the common belief is that as humans evolve, we gain intellect and lose physical power. (Eg; people without wisdom teeth in the back of their mouths are technically "less evolved" than people who have fewer teeth, and as humans evolve we will keep losing teeth.) In effect, we may be more like the protoss in the future (who don't appear to have any teeth at all).

I thank those of you patient enough to read this far, because I _am_ getting to a point and it _does_ involve this thread's topic. Whatever Duran's plans are, they probably don't include terran genes. He wants to make protoss/zerg hybrids, and terrans really don't have any special qualities that would make them a good ingredient for Duran's recipe. Whatever Duran plans to do with his new race, they will be strong enough to take on the protoss and the zerg, and be like the terrans except twice as strong and twice as smart. The hybrids will not rely on technology as much as the protoss, but will range in different units meant for different things. And since Duran is combining genes, you know he'll be able to isolate and remove any genes that could cause any sort of weakness. In short, Duran is breeding an army with malicious implications. Or maybe it's like what Pisces said, and Duran's experiments will result in new humans? Maybe Duran is a hybrid himself?the zerg didnt discover the terrans first though. it states that when the zerg wiped out the xel'naga the overmind learned of every race the xel'naga had created, but the only race that really caught its interest were the protoss. however the xel'naga hadnt stayed with the protoss long enough to see their amazing psionic developments, so the overmind was unaware of the protoss's potential. once the overmind was able to study the protoss a little it discovered that the protoss were too powerful and started to search for an alternative. that was when it discovered the terrans and their immature psionic powers.

it immediately changed course for the terran colony chau sara and began infesting the planet while staying hidden from the colony. however instead of the terrans finding them the protoss did. the protoss then proceeded to destroy the colony.

therefore the overmind withdrew and watched as events between the protoss and terrans unfolded.

and for the record the terran's psionic potential was supposedly great enough for the zerg to be able to stand a chance with it, it was simply undeveloped and/or undiscovered. remember that every terran found with psionic powers is made into a ghost, and in the process psionic dampeners are surgically implanted. kerrigan has, likely, as much psionic power as any other terran. however when she was infested the overmind unlocked that potential, and it was even further increased when she had the dampeners removed.

[hexagram1363]

I dont think Duran is a pawn of the Xel'Naga, i agree that he is probably worker for an "arch-naga" to create a perfect race with which to eliminate the Xel'Naga

[Sauvastika]

Qualities of Terran? Hands capable of handling delicate objects. Psionic powers? Pfft. Opposable thumbs are more desirable.

[Hunta]

Alright, mr. macho, here we go again, in my 100th post:

I still stick by what I said. The zerg had next to nil psionic potential.

Then explain to me how the Overmind, Cerebrates, Overlords and Queens are able to stay in contact with each other and every other single Zerg unit.

I will tell you, they already had highly developed psionic powers before assimilating the Terrans.

The protoss has had psionic powers since they were born, then it was lost, and then they gained it back by the end of the "Aeon of Strife".

Since they were born? Where in the manual does it say that? Besides, the Protoss never really lost their psionic powers during the Aeon of Strife, they only cut the connection to their primal psychic link. That's all. Their blades and shields still stayed fully functional.

The Terran's psionic abilities doesn't really make them special. It just makes them the middle road species between the zerg and the protoss.

You see this as a line, where the Terrans are always in the middle. I see this as a triangle, where each race is in its own special corner. That's a difference, what you ignore to understand.

And not every terran had psionic powers, either.

Does that matter to the point? No. 1% of the Terran population is still a Terran population.

Sarah Kerrigan was special, because she her own psionic powers were well developed, which was supposed to be why she was a good enough fighter to become a Lieutenant in the infamous "Sons of Korhal".

And guess what? Sarah was a Terran.

But the terran race as a whole was not a psionically developed as the protoss.

Not yet, but give it a few generations and the Terran race will be psionically developed. Not as much as the Protoss though.

Also, the different range of human emotions are another thing. The zerg are mindless, and in case you haven't noticed, they posses some emotion too; greed, anger, and satisfaction from a job well done.

Only the Overmind and its Cerebrates have developed a personality. All the other Zerg creatures are, like you said, mindless which means no feelings or emotions.

While protoss also have emotions; pride, dignity, and also anger and respect of each other. Tassadar obvioulsy loved his people enough to die for them, and the dark templar often expressed sadness at leaving their home planet of Aiur. And so I stand by what I said.

What was that exactly? That the Protoss and Zerg have less and other emotions than us Terrans? Yes, I agree with that. Or in fact, you agree with me.

The only thing special about the terran is the way they have attributes from both protoss and zerg, which makes them so more adaptable.

They have attributes neither the Zerg or Protoss have. That makes them so more adaptable.

As for terrans being included in the hybrid project, I kind of doubt it; it seemed like Duran was just screwing around with possible experiments; I don't know whether terrans are really being used in hybrid production, and neither do you; a single infested terran isn't much evidence. Though I do enjoy a good debate once in a while, I'll drop this now.

That's your choice. Ever wondered why Duran felt so comfortable in his Terran form? Eh?

Anyways, back to not playing the macho forum writer: I think it would be interesting if was some enemy race opposed to the Xel'Naga, and the protoss, zerg, and terrans were al just pawns in a universal game of chess. So rather than an anti-thesis of the hybrids, what if there was an anti-thesis of the Xel'Naga? I mean, why would the Xel'Naga want to go around trying to create the perfect race anyways? Were they hoping to develop the perfect army? So the only question would be: "Who is Duran working for, the Xel'Naga, or the Xel'Naga's enemies?" Of course, the only way to accept this theory would be to believe that the Xel'Naga still exist and plan to reveal themselves soon.

Do you think the Enemies of the Xel'Naga are reflected within the Hybrid? Or is it more logical that the Xel'Naga themselves are reflected in the Hybrid?

[Spartan-II]

This all brings us the question "Why build the perfect race"? Because if you created a "perfect" race and they found out about the creators wouldn't they beleive they were superior to them? Or maybe the Xel'naga thought of themselves as perfect and wanted a companion? Or they were trying to breed an army? But, if the army was "perfect" wouldnt that lead to overconfidence thus, flawed? And yet there is a possibility that the Naga were a dying race and needed a new form to inhabit. Or maybe they just got bored, drank a few brewskis and decided to make a perfect race :D

[Hunta]

Purity of essence + purity of form = perfect?

Not necessarily. Where is it said the Hybrids will be the perfect life form? Yes, the Xel'Naga did sought to create the perfect life form, but they failed so many times already (including the Zerg and the Protoss). Who says they will succeed this time? What are the chances of the Hybrids being perfect?

[Spartan-II]

0 to none... But nothing can ever be perfect because perfection is a paradox.

[Nexus]

Who is Samir Duran: servant of an Ancient Race.

What Race: the original enemies of the Xel'Naga.

What?!: the Xel'Naga want to create a "Purity of essence + purity of form" race... then, what is the essence of his two creations... WAR.

The Protoss and the Zerg are the perfect war machines (by honor or by hunger-of-perfection), so the Ancient Enemies know that they need a hybrid race to conquer the galaxy.

P.D.: again, sorry for my english... i'm from Chile (with pride).

[Neto]

I belive than Duran isn't just a servent of Overmind but he is it. And Duran(Overmind) never let control the Zerg. It is funny thing than Kerrigan belive one day than she was free of it. And I thing than Overmind obey somenthing, maybe the Xel'Naga or maybe something than is the oposite of that. A force than stolen the Xel'Naga control of the Overmind to themselves. (something like "Burning Legion versusTitans" of Warcraft).

I agree with Nexus. Duran (Overmind?) obey a rebel Xal'Naga or the "Ancient Enemy"

[Neto]

[QUOTE=daemon2]the protoss wouldnt have thought of it because the overmind is an 'abomination' so it would go against their beliefs. also the terrans have other things that protoss and zerg lack. they dont think the way the overmind and teh protoss do, which could yield good results. however if they were actually created by the xel'naga wouldn't that mean that the zerg would've known about them? when the zerg assimilated the xel'naga the overmind learned about the existence of every race the xel'naga made but it says the overmind discovered the terrans while trying to find a way to defeat the protoss.



Very good, now I am conviced than terran is not a creation of Xel'Naga. Hey wait, a least if Xel'Naga created the terran after them suffer in the hands of Overmind.

[Ragnarox]

Wait a minute! If terrans were not creations of Xel'Naga and the Xel'Naga created everything else, then who created the Terrans? Ragnarox is confused...

[Calibur]

Wait a minute! If terrans were not creations of Xel'Naga and the Xel'Naga created everything else, then who created the Terrans? Ragnarox is confused...
The Xel'naga did not create everything else infact they created nothing, let me explain. The Xel'Naga are beings from another galaxy who came to the starcraft world for who knows what reason. In search of the perfect species they began to expertiment with already existing species to see if they could manipulate their evolution to create the perfect beings. Terrans probably just evolved naturally with out intervertion of the Xelnaga. How do we know this you ask? Well its very simple, if the Terran evolution had been tampered with by the Xel'naga they would be a much more advanced race kinda like the Protoss due to the Terrans' psionic potential.

[Ragnarox]

Terrans probably just evolved naturally with out intervertion of the Xelnaga. How do we know this you ask? Well its very simple, if the Terran evolution had been tampered with by the Xel'naga they would be a much more advanced race kinda like the Protoss due to the Terrans' psionic potential.

Well, maybe the Terrans woulden't be more advanced because it states in the manual in the introduction that the Protoss were the first race to under go...change by the Xel'Naga. It says that they themselves were too advanced and self aware. They found out that they were being controlled and rebeled against the Xel'Naga, and freed themselves. Zerg were the second, they did not become self aware, but there relentless consumption and search for things to destroy ended up destroying their masters.

However, it says nothing about Terrans so I have to agree with you now.

[Neto]

The possible enemy of Xal'naga would be a rebeal Xal'naga faction? I mean, when the Overmind attack the Xal'naga, could be he controled by the "evil Xal'naga faction". Then they uses Overmind to try destroy the "good Xal'naga faction". The reason for the separation coud be: the revolt of protoss, the increase of power of Overmind...
The secoud step of the evil nagas was try revenge of protoss, take his planet in the name of Overmind. I belive than Duran possible could be the Overmind, yet obey the evil Xal'naga. But now he knows who he obey, because before (when he is the Overmind he doesn't have idea of the evil nagas). It doesn't matter if kerrigan is now more strong, because she yet obey the Overmind. What do you thing about that?

[Calibur]

Well, maybe the Terrans woulden't be more advanced because it states in the manual in the introduction that the Protoss were the first race to under go...change by the Xel'Naga. It says that they themselves were too advanced and self aware. They found out that they were being controlled and rebeled against the Xel'Naga, and freed themselves. Zerg were the second, they did not become self aware, but there relentless consumption and search for things to destroy ended up destroying their masters.

However, it says nothing about Terrans so I have to agree with you now.
Correction the Protoss where not the first race to under go change by the Xel'naga they where just supposed to be the first "succusful" experiment and where thus named the First-Born but their where many experiments before them as stated in the manual.

[Lumosa_Brood]

Duran is a slave of the xel'naga. he is raising an army for their return. or at least that is what my fan fiction story says

[Krossbow]

Duran is most probably an ancient Xel'Naga. (or a consciousness of theirs possesing him). He states that he has gone by many names, indicating that he has lived for a long time, and been many places. so it seems logical that he would be a Xel' Naga consciousness.

It would also be cool if they did do some dialoug between the Xel' Naga and the Terrans. In the past game, with the exception of the UED, the other races kinda dissed the terrans. Gen. Duke would come up with some huge ass fleet, and then the protoss would see him and be like "oh, it's just the terrans, never mind". though the terrans were not too advanced, their tenacity and various emotions like greed and malice seem to allow them to suprise whoever attacks them. they just need to show a little bit of how the Xel' Naga would view them (no, I don't believe the terrans were created by them) to add a little perspective.

Also, the UED is still out their. After all, It is THE EARTH. They probably didn't just pick up all their military, from all their colonies, and send them out with Dugalle. They're still out their, and it would be interesting to see them resurface in starcraft two. (also, does anyone know just WHY the UED was supposedly evil. I mean, the most they did was enslave the Zerg, and mindless killer bugs don't really strike me as huge victims. I mean, It just seemed a littel out of the blue when you start the Zerg campaign, and Raynor starts talking about their EVIL tactics. I mean, show us an atrocity or two first!)
:rolleyes:

[Zergplex]

Duran is most probably an ancient Xel'Naga. (or a consciousness of theirs possesing him). He states that he has gone by many names, indicating that he has lived for a long time, and been many places. so it seems logical that he would be a Xel' Naga consciousness.

It would also be cool if they did do some dialoug between the Xel' Naga and the Terrans. In the past game, with the exception of the UED, the other races kinda dissed the terrans. Gen. Duke would come up with some huge ass fleet, and then the protoss would see him and be like "oh, it's just the terrans, never mind". though the terrans were not too advanced, their tenacity and various emotions like greed and malice seem to allow them to suprise whoever attacks them. they just need to show a little bit of how the Xel' Naga would view them (no, I don't believe the terrans were created by them) to add a little perspective.

Also, the UED is still out their. After all, It is THE EARTH. They probably didn't just pick up all their military, from all their colonies, and send them out with Dugalle. They're still out their, and it would be interesting to see them resurface in starcraft two. (also, does anyone know just WHY the UED was supposedly evil. I mean, the most they did was enslave the Zerg, and mindless killer bugs don't really strike me as huge victims. I mean, It just seemed a littel out of the blue when you start the Zerg campaign, and Raynor starts talking about their EVIL tactics. I mean, show us an atrocity or two first!)
:rolleyes:

Using Zerg as a weapon is an evil tactic, I would think sending hundreds of llittle dog-like creatures to rip out your enemies throats would be considered brutal, at least in my opinion...

Enslaving the Zerg wasn't what brought them into the realm of evil, but what they intended to USE the Zerg to do WAS evil.

-Zergplex

[Spartan-II]

Ever heard the term "Victory at all Costs" also the UED was prolly greedy..

[Krossbow]

exactly what else were they supposed to do with the enslaved zerg, host a tea party?

[Spartan-II]

exactly what else were they supposed to do with the enslaved zerg, host a tea party?Dugalle: Hello mr. ultralisk would you like a crumpet?
Ultralisk: Oh yes, I am quite hungry.
Dugalle: Oh please help yourself!
Ultralisk: *Eats table*
Dugalle: I do say!

[Krossbow]

How bout selling them as pets on E-bay?

[Spartan-II]

How bout selling them as pets on E-bay?I would pay exactly $19.95 for a pet zergling.

[Original_JaminGrit]

I'd hate to house-train a zerg.

Using Zerg as a weapon is an evil tactic, I would think sending hundreds of llittle dog-like creatures to rip out your enemies throats would be considered brutal, at least in my opinion...

Enslaving the Zerg wasn't what brought them into the realm of evil, but what they intended to USE the Zerg to do WAS evil.
Also, the UED is still out their. After all, It is THE EARTH. They probably didn't just pick up all their military, from all their colonies, and send them out with Dugalle. They're still out their, and it would be interesting to see them resurface in starcraft two. (also, does anyone know just WHY the UED was supposedly evil. I mean, the most they did was enslave the Zerg, and mindless killer bugs don't really strike me as huge victims. I mean, It just seemed a littel out of the blue when you start the Zerg campaign, and Raynor starts talking about their EVIL tactics. I mean, show us an atrocity or two first!)
Let's look at the situation from the UED's point of view. To have Earth and the outlying planetary colonies (I'm assuming other planets in this solar system) ruled under one global-interplanetary government would be like a prediction of modern Earth, today. They say that the world is owned by 20 rich families, and they're all connected somehow. In the world of Starcraft Earth, this international government(or, inter-planetary government) could be seen as an extension of the UN or maybe a country has brutally annexed the rest of the world (*cough* U.S. *cough*). So basically, the world will be run be wealthy people trying to make more money. So we may be looking at a capitalistic, corporate world. Earth and the colonies would basically live on money. And the masses are content to watch their hologram t.v.'s and have their unlimited internet access, while the UED spreads whatever 1940's-style war time propoganda(maybe all their t.v.'s are tuned to video feed of the Terran colonies in K-Sector; it would make the ultimate reality t.v. show). Of course, it will be a democracy, but as long as the UED keeps the masses happy, they'll be fully supported.

Note that this is all just sort of an exercise in thinking of what the UED might be like, and is no way intended to be a serious discussion or comment on Blizzard's view of the future of humanity.

So, when the terrans find the zerg and protoss, the UED spreads their propoganda about how the noble men and women of the UED will conquer the two races of space demons and liberate their terran cousins(liberate, obliterate, same thing). And the masses practically beg to be defended from these aliens so far away; as well they should, seeing as how the zerg ended up taking over K-Sector anyways.

So, the question is: "Is the UED evil"? Some could be evil, others not so evil. The main idea is that the Humans from Earth are not as psionically attuned as the K-Sector Terrans, so they would have less of a spiritual side, which sort of fits with the capitilastic idea. Some people, like DuGalle, might be ruthless, but ruthless isn't the same as evil; ruthlessness is just one person's ability to get from point A to point B as effeciently as possible. The may do evil things, but have good intentions. So, you can't really say whether the UED is evil or not. You have to make an opinion for yourself.

As for me? My opinion is that the UED is not evil. If UED marines are intellectually the same as a working-class citizen of Starcraft Earth (which, in my version of the possible story, is a couple rungs down the intellectual and/or moral ladder from those of Today Earth), then they will believe that their side is the righteous one. That doesn't make them evil, but it doesn't mean they really are the righteous side either. But like I said, ruthlessness isn't necessarily the same as evil. It's like asking if the zerg are evil; they do what they do to better the Swarm, and that's righteous enough for them.

Damn, I shouldn't write my posts so long, especially since it has nothing to do with the main topic. Unless you apply everything fromwhat I just said to Duran. Duran can be considered ruthless, but I wouldn't call him evil. Especially since noone's quite sure of his true motivation yet.

[Krossbow]

maybe we should start a seperate thread on the UED?

[Spartan-II]

The Ued Should Not Be A Fucking Race They Are Human So Are The Terrans You Stupid Ass People Are Pissing Me Off The Ued Comes From Earth And So Do The Terrans Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Krossbow]

Spartans right, you UED idiots are starting to annoy me. I guess you guys think Dark templars and High templars should be their own race too. and if you don't, then shut up about the UED! you can make a few UED specific units in the terran group, like how toss have D-Archons, but the UED SHOULD NOT BE A RACE!!!

(oh, and on the UED thread, I meant, "why are they evil", in case that was directed at me.)

[Original_JaminGrit]

Sorry, as you can see I kind of got carried away there. It may surprise you to know that what little satisfaction I get from writing long winded entries with no real point quickly disapears after the first comment on that. If you think it's so non-sensical that us "UED" people want the UED as a fourth faction, try to listen to our (or at least _my_) reasons first.

1) Because it seems that a decent portion of Starcraft fans (Or Starck-heads, if you will,) want one or more new races to be in SCII. It would make sense to use the UED as a seperate race instead just conjuring up a new race. The hybrids seem to be the next potential race, but some people might think that it's not enough.

2) Because who's to say that Terrans are really Human. Biological, genetic manipulation, you could go so far as to say that they really are different races.

3) Because, genetically similar or not, the UED are running on a different agenda than the terrans. The terran's main directive is "To stay alive". The UED's main directive is to "Protect Earth from aliens and capture or destroy threatening forces". If the terrans and UED allied, could they really trust each other?

Anyways, I know this still has nothing to do with the main thread, but it's just some food for thought. And by the way, there are also lots of people who think the protoss dark templar should be their own race, or at least their own sub race.

[Spartan-II]

The Terrans were sent from earth so therefore THEY ARE HUMAN. Having 2 human races would be nonsensical and moronic..

[Krossbow]

this is really interesting and all, but isn't this thread supposed to be on SAMIR DURAN?!? (its why I suggested creating an alternate thread for these UED comments.

[Original_JaminGrit]

The Terrans were sent from earth so therefore THEY ARE HUMAN. Having 2 human races would be nonsensical and moronic..
Um, I just said that we really don't know whether they are human. They constantly call themselves terrans throughout the campaign, although you can find several places where they actually do call themselves human, it's really still up to Blizzard to decide just how "human" terrans are.

And I guess that's what it all comes down to. It really is up to Blizzard. All we're doing here is putting down our own opinions. I respect your opinion, but I would like to hear if there's any other reasons why you don't want them to be two different factions. But, that's enough of that. Any more opinions about it should go into the UED thread.

[UnHoly-Assassin]

if u wanna debate if the UED and terrans should be in a different race, go to

http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=355&page=1&pp=10

[y2kenny]

I think it would be cool if before the xel' naga were dstroyed, they sent some of their own DNA or whatever to earth, to try and keep their species alive... And so humans and xel' naga are the same, but of course the Starcraft terrans are nowhere near where the xel' naga's technologies were..

And maybe a few of the original xel' naga survived the zerg attack and only recently (arounde the time starcraft story began) learnt that there were more "xel' naga" (aka humans). And than they sent duran, or maybe they are manipulating him somehow, to get revenge and destroy the zerg.