This Game Looks Like Colorful Vomit

[own3d0406]

So I haven't really payed attention to StarCraft 2 until a couple days before, and I'm thinking that this is going to be a big disaster. I saw a demonstration video and the units look really blocky and big, and they look almost impossible to micro. And all those colors, they make my head spin. >.<

[DarkMirror]

Thast because your a fruit. They look fine to me. Keep in mind, those gameplay videos often dont have the best resolution. The screenshots look epic and awesome to me.

[Modred]

If you're referring to the demonstration from WWI 2007 in S Korea, then you need to know that 1) many of the unit designs have changed, and 2) many of those units have been canceled or significantly altered.

And really, the palette is about the same as for SC, only larger and with more hues between the extremes.

[ChimTheGrim21]

Thast because your a fruit. They look fine to me. Keep in mind, those gameplay videos often dont have the best resolution. The screenshots look epic and awesome to me.
Hey now, Fruitism isn't tolerated here on the boards. Just because he's a fruit doesn't mean he needs someone like you to point it out.

I think the game looks phenomenal in its current stage. So yea, he is a fruit.

[own3d0406]

You guys don't know a bad game when you see one, they messed with a classic and ended up giving me a seizure. Starcraft 1 was groundbreaking, it added so much to the RTS genre. Starcraft 2 took SC1 and basically made it 3d, but very very poorly.

And what's wrong with being fruity? :_papple:

[Modred]

You guys don't know a bad game when you see one, they messed with a classic and ended up giving me a seizure. Starcraft 1 was groundbreaking, it added so much to the RTS genre. Starcraft 2 took SC1 and basically made it 3d, but very very poorly.

I hear echoes of Zelda: Wind Waker in your complaint, which turned out to be an awesome game. Also, seizing isn't funny.

[own3d0406]

I have no complaints with Wind Waker, Wind Waker was good. But in that game, everything was easily identifiable, and you don't have 40 or so units running around.

but srsly i think Starcraft 1 was fine! No one was complaining about the 2d graphics, each unit and building had it's own characteristics. In SC2, every Protoss unit looks like it's made from blue and yellow play-doh.

[HazzaDaShiz]

Then it's lucky that I like colourful vomit.
To be honest, I see no problem with it.
And yes, DarkMirror makes a valid point about the YouTube videos not being the greatest quality.

[Sento]

you have to remember it's still in the developmental stage.. they don't even have a release date for the game out yet.

I do agree that making a 3D engine for SCII might be a bad idea, but it does have perks, like the more realistic 'bodies rolling down hills' effect. As for the colors, they don't really match the rugged look SCI had, i think that does need to be fixed, make it more darker. The color scheme of SCI was just fine in my opinion, and SCII looks a little too clean for a band of Terrans trying to survive, or a group of Protoss that have lost everything they once knew.

[Dayoh]

Why alotta people have been predicting SC2 and D3 to be utter failures only because there trying to add new things to the respective game.

I think SC2 looks good a great improvement over SC1, I just hope its as balanced as the first.

[Sikawtic]

I like mudkips. They are very play-doh like, therefore I like SC2. Simple math is fun!

[SgtHK]

I have no complaints with Wind Waker, Wind Waker was good. But in that game, everything was easily identifiable, and you don't have 40 or so units running around.

What Modred meant by his post was that alot of people predicted that Zelda: Wind Walker would be an utter failure. But it turned out to be a great game.

A similar scene would be remembered in the development stage of StarCraft: Brood War. A hell lot of people said that BW would never match up with its predecessor. But it did so with flying colors.

And now you're saying the same things to SC2. Just wait for the game to be truly exact.

[3Vee]

You guys don't know a bad game when you see one, they messed with a classic and ended up giving me a seizure. Starcraft 1 was groundbreaking, it added so much to the RTS genre. Starcraft 2 took SC1 and basically made it 3d, but very very poorly.

Most of us are reluctant to call a game in late alpha stage "bad" when all we know for certain about it is that it's going to be built along the same lines that made WCII, SC, SC:BW huge successes in the genre. (And yes, WCIII and DII are great games, but they're not the same pure RTS build.) Adding to this reluctance is the history of the SC alpha. SC Legacy has a great section on the evolution of the game here (http://www.sclegacy.com/content/starcraft-encyclopedia-4/starcraft-evolution-12/#A). The alpha stages look terrible compared to the end product - even the beta's not great.

The other claim you make is that SC added to the RTS genre. I'd say all it really added was the concept of a three-race game, and balancing that took years. Conceptually, a game like AoEII seems far more "groundbreaking" to me, though it never got the same attention or balance work. Homeworld is another potential "groundbreaker": true 3D combat anyone? SC takes a very minimalist approach that worked beautifully, but I don't think it counts as something shockingly new. Just very, very good.

We've all got complaints about the current state of the SCII build. It's far too shiny, there are units we don't like, some of the effects/mechanics are weird, etc. IMO Blizzard screwed up by making an effort to get input from the fanbase, when the fanbase is wildly diverse. (Compare warboards to the sclegacy forums to iccup to the blizz forums themselves to...) They can't please everyone, and if they try it will hurt the game.

Be that as it may, Blizzard has a history of making very good games. SCII may not be as good as Starcraft:BroodWar, but by making SC:BW into the classic-as-chess RTS standard, they've set the bar impossibly high for themselves. Will SCII be as good as SC:BW? Almost certainly not. But we have every reason to expect it will be very good.

[PrisonLove]

And what's wrong with being fruity? :_papple:


a lot of things.


anyway for all of you who keep saying this game is going to suck just because you dont like someof the things in it: shut the fuck up. the post above me is correct, they cant please everyone. so just because YOU dont like something doesnt mean the game will be bad. It may not even be as good as the original but who cares? its bound to be a good game no matter what and if it really bothers you that much then just go back tp playing the original, im sure a lot of people will still be playing after scarcraft 2 comes out. so in conclusion, shut the fuck up.

[Dem0nS1ayer]

I agree that the 3D sucks. D3 has AMAZING graphics, and we starcraft fans are stuff with big cartoony shit. The game will be good, no doubt, but those graphics annoy me!

[PrisonLove]

become part of the new millenium my friend. 3D doesnt suck, you're just afraid that it wont be like the original starcraft, which is why so many people are saying that they hate the game and that it will suck. the game is not meant to be exactly like the original, so how about people just patiently wait until its out before they judge it.

[Modred]

Be that as it may, Blizzard has a history of making very good games. SCII may not be as good as Starcraft:BroodWar, but by making SC:BW into the classic-as-chess RTS standard, they've set the bar impossibly high for themselves. Will SCII be as good as SC:BW? Almost certainly not. But we have every reason to expect it will be very good.

On this note, SC2 may not be as good as BroodWar when it debuts, but given the long range tweaking that Blizzard puts into their games, I'm sure it will quickly come up to par. Has anyone else around here been playing StarCraft long enough to remember pre-BW? The patch that brought version parity between vanilla and BW hit the Zerg pretty hard. Even the next few patches did the same. Imagine my surprise when I start a game in 1.05, upgrade to 1.07, and then suddenly my Spawning Pool costs twice as much. I haven't seen anyone complaining about the cost of a Spawning Pool in years, though, so whatever they're doing now that "breaks" the game, people will adapt.

[DarkMirror]

I agree with that point. I saw a whole video that went over the history of SC patches. It ended on the note that we shouldn't expect SCII to be perfect right off the shelf, and that Blizard will fix things as they come along.

[Vezer]

I hear echoes of Zelda: Wind Waker in your complaint, which turned out to be an awesome game.

What Modred meant by his post was that alot of people predicted that Zelda: Wind Walker would be an utter failure. But it turned out to be a great game.

Thanks for the clarification, tips.


I do agree that making a 3D engine for SCII might be a bad idea

If it weren't 3D, I wouldn't buy it, and no 'new' SC fans would buy it. If it weren't 3D, the only place you would be able to find it is Xbox Live Arcade, because it would be that much of an utter failure. People these days have expectations, and demands. SC2 needs to measure up, and exceed, (graphically) to games like Halo Wars, and C&C3:KW, not SC1.

[own3d0406]

I have nothing to say anymore, I believe that you know my opinions and I thoroughly understand yours.

tadaa

a lot of things.


anyway for all of you who keep saying this game is going to suck just because you dont like someof the things in it: shut the fuck up. the post above me is correct, they cant please everyone. so just because YOU dont like something doesnt mean the game will be bad. It may not even be as good as the original but who cares? its bound to be a good game no matter what and if it really bothers you that much then just go back tp playing the original, im sure a lot of people will still be playing after scarcraft 2 comes out. so in conclusion, shut the fuck up.
Good job, you homophobic hypocrite. I'm glad the internet gives you a boost in your low self esteem.

[DarkMirror]

His post is better than yours, own3d. Good job resorting to low attacks on his character rather than forming an argument against him.

[Dayoh]

His post is better than yours, own3d. Good job resorting to low attacks on his character rather than forming an argument against him.


Maybe so but Prison Love did not have to act as a child in the first place.

[NoobOfLore]

And to you who think that this game has shitty graphics:
http://www.starcraft2.com/images/screenshots/ss92-hires.jpg
How shitty does this look to you, really?
Anything inaccurate is either PRACTICAL, or made so you can TELL THE TONS OF UNITS ON THE SCREEN APART.
Keep in mind, this has MORE detail, not to mention 3d, than BW. And I'm sure only the most epic of epic of computers can handle D3 quality graphics on over 200 units on the screen at a time.
(note: YOuR COMPUTER CAN'T)

[own3d0406]

His post is better than yours, own3d. Good job resorting to low attacks on his character rather than forming an argument against him.

I have made my opinions clear in this argument without telling anyone to "Shut the fuck up". He had no right to do that, just because I have different opinions from him does not mean he can swear at me like a little 12 year old. By telling me to "Shut the fuck up" I believe he opened himself up to a little criticism.

You too DarkMirror, calling me a "fruit", how childish of you. You are a homophobic bigot.

[DarkMirror]

How does calling you a fruit make me hate gay people? See, this is where you lose credibility.

[own3d0406]

How does calling you a fruit make me hate gay people? See, this is where you lose credibility.

"Fruit" is slang for a homosexual, and you obviously used it in a negative way, since my opinions disagreed with yours.

[NoobOfLore]

Insulting people for calling you a fruit pointlessly doesn't give your argument any more weight. Let's try to make useful posts as opposed to spammy flame wars.
The person calling you a fruit in the first place was obviously joking. He has no reason to think you are fruity, nor would he know if you were. Try comprehending that some socially inept people use "gayness" as a generic negative attribute.
So please, let us talk about the useful actual topic as opposed to nitpicking at particular words or random insults. It just makes us all look like cruel and uneducated idiots.

[Modred]

"Fruit" is slang for a homosexual, and you obviously used it in a negative way, since my opinions disagreed with yours.

You responded with "what's wrong with being fruity?" and a dancing pineapple. You obviously understood the comment was in jest, and now you're changing your tune in some quest for sympathy or moral high ground.

[NoobOfLore]

One last time...Can we PLEASE stop with the back and forth.
Unnecessary flaming going on on all sides, causing the desired topic of conversation to be drowned out by random anger and a false moral argument. I request that you stop this argument by not contributing to it.

[Modred]

One last time...Can we PLEASE stop with the back and forth.
Unnecessary flaming going on on all sides, causing the desired topic of conversation to be drowned out by random anger and a false moral argument. I request that you stop this argument by not contributing to it.

This was a flame-bait topic to start with. Everything was in jest until owned started calling everyone homophobic bigots. There is no topic to this thread worth debating, so I see no problem pointing out owned's reaction and how it dramatically changed when he realized that virtually no one agrees with him.

Also, people tell each other to STFU on here all the time. If that really set him off, he needs to learn how to chill.

So the 'fruit' comment was in jest, he acknowledged it was in jest with a joking reply, and STFU is a common response to "I hate this because it's stupid" arguments.

Once again, this topic is a trolling topic. Some of us tried to make non-trolling posts, but when the OP wants to blow things out of proportion and manipulate the thread to make him look like some sort of victim, I say no more.

Also, if you really want something to be done, use the report button to draw moderator attention to the flames instead of annoying everyone with "Please don't fight".

[Vezer]

This thread looks like colourful vomit.

[Skullflower]

http://www.starcraft2.com/images/screenshots/ss92-hires.jpg
How shitty does this look to you, really?


Yeah, the Ultralisk with its back turned to all the action is stunning.

[SilverCrusader]

And to you who think that this game has shitty graphics:
pictar
How shitty does this look to you, really?
Anything inaccurate is either PRACTICAL, or made so you can TELL THE TONS OF UNITS ON THE SCREEN APART.
Keep in mind, this has MORE detail, not to mention 3d, than BW. And I'm sure only the most epic of epic of computers can handle D3 quality graphics on over 200 units on the screen at a time.
(note: YOuR COMPUTER CAN'T)
Could use some more anti-aliasing if you ask me.

And in some ways, yes, seeing things becomes difficult at times, but I think Blizzard is doing well considering all of the new graphics. SC1 has very simple things, but you just can't do that anymore.
In short, you can't have a cake and eat it too.

[NoobOfLore]

The ultralisk with it's back turned to the action as pretty much absolutely nothing to do with the actual discussion. More anti-aliasing pretty much=better graphics, most computers can't handle it. The units aren't supposed to be artistic masterpieces, they are simply supposed to be easily identifiable.
And yes, this thread degenerated to colorful vomit a while ago.

[ChimTheGrim21]

The thread title and creator made it vomit from the start.

[Skullflower]

The ultralisk with it's back turned to the action as pretty much absolutely nothing to do with the actual discussion.

Maybe that was the point.

[Vezer]

http://www.warboards.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10709&d=1218646872

Count the Zealots in this picture! GL.

[DarkMirror]

14, counted in 5 seconds. I timed myself.

[Vezer]

14, counted in 5 seconds. I timed myself.

Dear Mr. Aperture, please do not use your giant glob of intellectual mass that is your brain to prove me wrong.

I actually thought there were 13 for the longest time (till just now), I didn't see there were two standing beside each other.

[RavenCrusade]

Really? That is the second time I've viewed this screenshot, and the first I was looking at the new design for the Protoss structures. I don't I so much as scanned over the units. And yet, I counted fourteen. Less quickly than Mr. Aperture, of course, but I didn't restart my count/double check.

I don't get it, not only is SC2 in Alpha, but we should all realise that in games with a lot of small units/small details, videos on YouTube, projections on walls, and JPeg screenshots don't do the graphics much justice.

[Neo]

Wow you guys. Way to ruin a thread and completely overreact.

Didn't realize fruit was such a bad dis. I call people fruity all the time, though not really because I think they're gay, more because I think they're nuts or queer*.

*as in weird, not as in gay

-Neo