Halo 2 :: FPS Killer

[IceFlare]

When Halo 2 comes out PS2 and GC wont know wut to do for the FPS genre... I mean come on.... like how can u beat dual weapon holding and the incredible graphics to drool over.

[Darkslayer633]

When Halo 2 comes out PS2 and GC wont know wut to do for the FPS genre... I mean come on.... like how can u beat dual weapon holding and the incredible graphics to drool over.
The fps will ten be ownde by halo however the ps2 and gc will have to go by other genres

[TheGreatBrain]

Yes, Halo 2 coming out makes it impossible for any other good ideas for games to be made.

:rolleyes:

[Bobtheconquerer]

Yes, Halo 2 coming out makes it impossible for any other good ideas for games to be made.

:rolleyes:

Ya Console wise anyways.... but we all know when Half-life 2 comes out Halo will be sucking shit through a straw, when Half-life 2 is done with it! :)

[IceFlare]

half life 2 is gonna be good..... but good as halo 2 i dunno?

[Jedi_Templar]

The big three FPS's coming out in the next year are Doom 3 (next week), Half Life 2, and Halo 2. The latter two I want so friggin bad, especially when Half Life 2 was supposed to come out last year.

[IceFlare]

halo 2 was supposed to be out last yr as well.

[Maegtelluma]

It's going to be tough to beat Halo 2, but a lot of people will like Metroid Prime 2 just as much. There is a game coming out for PS2 that they say will counter the Halo series but the name escapes me. Killzone or something like that.

[Darkslayer633]

It's going to be tough to beat Halo 2, but a lot of people will like Metroid Prime 2 just as much. There is a game coming out for PS2 that they say will counter the Halo series but the name escapes me. Killzone or something like that.
they did say that untill e3 then many reviews say it isn't all it is cracked up to be

[IceFlare]

ya reviews werent impressed with killzone

[Maegtelluma]

I've been out of touch with it, that's too bad though.

Well, I don't really think the dualshock is a good shooter controller, sony needs a new one for ps3. Not to mention four controller ports. Maybe then we can get some more shooters, especially third party ones.

[IceFlare]

by that time xbox 2 will have 8 ports lol keke

[Spdstr]

Also notice that Metroid isn't really an FPS (although now they're trying to because of Multiplayer LOL, I can't wait to see how dissappointed Nintendo Fanboys are going to look "WTF, ITS AUTO AIMING, ITS SO CRAPPY!) anyways, I'm glad we had to wait an extra year, more time to polish it up and fix bugs ;). UT2004 was awesome when it was released earlier then expected, but they released a patch because there were so many bugs that they found.

Member,
~ Spdstr

P.S. Wait can sometimes be good ;).

[Maegtelluma]

An eight port system would be dumb because 8-way tv would be impossible to navigate. You'd need two tvs, which could work, but system link is just as easy. You'd need really long controller cords.

[Bobtheconquerer]

half life 2 is gonna be good..... but good as halo 2 i dunno?

Ya it is going to be better then Halo 2... unless Halo 2 gives you the ability to shoot out a building to crush the aliens under it.... then I'll retract my statement.... since knowingly only Half-life 2 can do that it just show how much more advanced in gameplay Half-life 2 really is!

[ShawnManX]

You'd need really long controller cords.Or wireless controllers...

[peace_machine]

I am still waiting for Perfect Dark 2... (Grr X-box 2 release game, Grrr)

When Halo 2 comes out PS2 and GC wont know wut to do for the FPS genre... I mean come on.... like how can u beat dual weapon holding and the incredible graphics to drool over.
Halo 2 just means that companies have to work a little harder for their platform. I think PS2's KillZone will give Halo 2 a fair workout. If you want graphics then go for UT2k4.

[IceFlare]

early previews of killzone have been disappointing im not just saying that bcuz i support everything xbox but its true. and also to wut bob sed... ya u can. fully interactive environments to a point. you wont be able to destory a door that is mission critical but u can destroy say a crate of ammo and it will cause a supersonic bang and mini mushroom cloud

[Neo]

FPS are seriously overrated.

Anyways, PS2 caters to other games then just FPS thats why the system isnt built around Multiplayer and has 4 controller ports. Which isnt that big a deal (a TV split into 4 screens isnt to great unless youve got a big screen -- and how many people have those as a rule -- and how many of those people have parents that let them use it for video games? ;P)

GCN also has its own games that kickass (apparently people liked Mtroid Prime, pfft, thingslike Super Smash Bros, Zelda, Mario Karts, etc... will always be kick ass fun games.)

Whatever...

What annoys me is that consoles seem to be migrating closer and closer to online play and computers -- if i want a computer... ILl use my computer. And if I want to get online, ill use my computer ^_~

-Neo

[austinjrex]

Ok Halo is really overrated.......for these reason's.
Halo has 8 guns.
Ut2004 has over 30.
Halo has like 12 maps.
Ut2004 has like 50.
Halo won't let you make maps.
Ut2004 will make you make maps.
Halo is 4player.
Ut2004 is 32player online.
And there is lots more showing that halo is just way too overrated.

[Divad]

Halo is probably the most overrated game ever.

[spastic-ninJa]

Ok Halo is really overrated.......for these reason's.
Halo has 8 guns.
Ut2004 has over 30.
Halo has like 12 maps.
Ut2004 has like 50.
Halo won't let you make maps.
Ut2004 will make you make maps.
Halo is 4player.
Ut2004 is 32player online.
And there is lots more showing that halo is just way too overrated.
Sure, Halo could do with some new maps, but hey:
a) you don't need scores of guns to have a good game (for those that play CS, how many guns would you never use in a normal gaming scenario? I'm sure you don't use--extensively--all 30 guns in U2k4; whereas, in Halo, all guns serve a purpose);
b) you can play Halo on a LAN, allowing for far more than 4 players (16 I think);
c) Halo has awesome vehicles, and;
d) think how many Unreal games have been produced. Halo was the first Halo (na-duh :p ), whereas how many Unreal games have been created? Was the first Unreal as fun as, or as popular as Halo? No, I'm not talking about graphics etc, as the time-span betweeen the two games is too far for us to compare their gaming functions. But we can compare fun/longevity between games. Me and my mates have had countless Halo LANs, and we have played it (on LAN) since the beginning--when Xbox was released.

Oh yeah, Halo was made when Xbox was not online compatible, otherwise it would be pretty damn obvious that you could have 32-player battles.

BTW: oh yeah, nothing on PS2 matches Xbox. I don't think I need to explain why; a quick comparison between upcoming PS2 and Xbox games, and existing PS2/Xbox games will show you that PS3 is the only hope for Sony in consoling ;) . Gawd, i have no idea why PS2's are so popular... maybe it's the amazing rate at which new, shitty games are released. Yes, I enjoy Gran Turismo (one of the few good PS2-exclusive games) but it's getting slightly old. SOCOM is also alright, but I prefer PC online FPS's by a long way.

What's really sad is nintendo's GC. Bah, N64 was the finest console I've played on (just imagine... Goldeneye, Zelda, Super Mario and the other fantastic adventure games, Perfect Dark, Conker's Bad Fur Day... sheer bliss), and I had my hopes with GC, but it seems to have faded away severly. They barely sell GC games at my nearest Electronics store, and even then they're only new releases :cry:

[peace_machine]

Sure, Halo could do with some new maps, but hey:
a) you don't need scores of guns to have a good game (for those that play CS, how many guns would you never use in a normal gaming scenario? I'm sure you don't use--extensively--all 30 guns in U2k4; whereas, in Halo, all guns serve a purpose);
b) you can play Halo on a LAN, allowing for far more than 4 players (16 I think);
c) Halo has awesome vehicles, and;
d) think how many Unreal games have been produced. Halo was the first Halo (na-duh :p ), whereas how many Unreal games have been created? Was the first Unreal as fun as, or as popular as Halo? No, I'm not talking about graphics etc, as the time-span betweeen the two games is too far for us to compare their gaming functions. But we can compare fun/longevity between games. Me and my mates have had countless Halo LANs, and we have played it (on LAN) since the beginning--when Xbox was released.a) All guns have a purpose in UT2k4, It all depends on the player, the oponent, the map and the game type.
b) I think it is 16.
c) UT2k4 has a count of 1 original vehicle. >.<
d) Unreal (the rpg) was a verry successful game aparantley. UT was the first of its kind (or was that doom?) and an amazing success. Other games in the series add on to the ownage.

Also UT really has no story line, it is just mindless fighting so I wouldn't really compare it with Halo in that sense.

What's really sad is nintendo's GC. Bah, N64 was the finest console I've played on (just imagine... Goldeneye, Zelda, Super Mario and the other fantastic adventure games, Perfect Dark, Conker's Bad Fur Day... sheer bliss), and I had my hopes with GC, but it seems to have faded away severly. They barely sell GC games at my nearest Electronics store, and even then they're only new releases :cry:Remember the days of the good ol 64.

[austinjrex]

You still can't beat 32player online. And the halo storyline can suck my balls. Its so fuckin made up.

[Dark_Viper]

well guys... im waiting for BF2.. 100+ players online.. realistic army storyline... the ability to shoot down anything, including building.

so you guy can have your crappy 16 and 32 player games... im running 64 players on bf1942 and will have 100+ on BF http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/edoom/cool_shades.gif

[Seal]

You still can't beat 32player online. And the halo storyline can suck my balls. Its so fuckin made up. all story is made up.

[Spdstr]

You're forgettin one thing austin, NOT MANY PEOPLE HAVE A COMPUTER THAT CAN RUN UT2004 AND THE CONSOLE VERSION SUCKS!!! I know, I was using a computer before this crappy Pentium 2, but then my brother left :cry: and now I can't play it.

Member,
~ Spdstr

[pixels]

Halo 2 sucks shit.

Reason: Its coming out for XBoX 1st. Everyone knows, FPS are the SHIT on PC.

Halo is quite fun, but I agree it is lacking. I'm hoping that once the PC version of Halo 2 comes out, it will prove much better :)

[Bobtheconquerer]

Half-life 2 still owns Halo 2's ass anyday Doom 3 owns Halo 2's ass as well... so you get the idea.

Halflife 2> Doom 3 > .....> Halo 2

[peace_machine]

Half-life 2 still owns Halo 2's ass anyday Doom 3 owns Halo 2's ass as well... so you get the idea.

Halflife 2> Doom 3 > .....> Halo 2
Ahh I do believe you forgot to factor Perfect Dark 2 and UT2k4 in there

PD > UT2k4 > Halflife 2 > Doom 3 > Halo 2

You still can't beat 32player online. And the halo storyline can suck my balls. Its so fuckin made up.
ROFL

[Modred]

peace_machine, unless I am mistaken, Perfect Dark 2 is still shrouded in mystery, if it is even in production. Please correct me if I am wrong (wouldn't mind being wrong about this :p).

Anyway, as for GCN and PS2 being hard-stretched for FPS games:

Remember those guys at Free Radical? You know, that compay full of Goldeneye programmers that created TimeSplitters 2? They are currently working on two, yes two, FPS games. The first, Second Sight, follows the story of a guy who is sent to inflitrate a base (along with a team of commandos) in Siberia where someone has been experimenting on humans to develop pyschic powers and such. At the beginning of the game, your character (being that guy), wakes up in America and discovers that he is bandaged in several places and begins to discover his own pyschic powers, which he must use to sneak around and figure out what happened. You also get to play in "flashbacks" to Siberia, and your actions in the past can actually change things in the present of the game.

The second game, Timesplitters: Future Perfect, is a continuation of the TimeSplitters series, however I don't know much about it's story. Probably more of the same...you know...going through time...saving the world...&tc.

Anyway, both games are beautiful and I believe they will give Halo 2 a run for its money, at least on the console.

[IceFlare]

graphics wise halo will pwn all and 2 guns.... its not how many guns its if each gun has a use and if its balance... i mean if i had an assault rifle that shot sniper rounds.... who would switch it?

[Modred]

graphics wise halo will pwn all and 2 guns.... its not how many guns its if each gun has a use and if its balance... i mean if i had an assault rifle that shot sniper rounds.... who would switch it?

I don't mean to cause discord, but if Valve or id really tried, Halo 2 wouldn't stand a chance graphics wise. Let's compare Xbox tech to top line PC tech.

Xbox
Processor: 733 Mhz
Graphics: 64 MB VGA (I believe...might be 128 MB...using PC terms here...)

PC
Processor: 3.4 Ghz
Graphics: 256 MB PCI-X

PC developers just have more to work with. Of course, that doesn't mean they will use it properly. Halo 2 could still have better graphics if Bungie does a really good job with the Xbox hardware.

[Bobtheconquerer]

Ahh I do believe you forgot to factor Perfect Dark 2 and UT2k4 in there

PD > UT2k4 > Halflife 2 > Doom 3 > Halo 2


ROFL

UT2k4 is overrated I don't enjoy Perfect Dark at all.... to me it was just an updated version of Goldeneye.... (I enjoyed the original goldeneye but it got old real fast)

Iceflare... you are just a fanboy.. I'm not a fanboy of any series/franchise unless they can impress me with three simple factors:

Storyline
Unique Gameplay (not the simple linear crap)
Major Replay Value

So far the only games that I can find that are in those lines so far are basically Half-life.. since it's Half-life 2 is done by the same writer so Half-life 2 is in the lead with unique story, Doom 3 isn't great in the story wise section but it does work well for it's gameplay factor.

Half-life 2 owns Halo 2 Gameplay wise... yes I do mean it.. the ability to use the gravity gun, to return gernades, shoot sharp discs, doing nearly anything damn possible is much better then the run down shoot em up (I know halo 2 will have vehicles).

Doom 3 owns Halo 2's Gameplay... not because I give it credit but because it focuses on scaring the crap out of you, many games aren't capable of doing that and the survival section of Doom 3 is on par with the so called hype that is comparable to the overrated Resident evil franchise maybe more.

Doom 3's replay value is basically unique it may be the only game that is able to scare me.. I know those squid thingys in the original Halo were meant to do that but failed.
Half-life 2's replay value well lets look at Half-life's long legacy of mod gaming.. so it's basically self explainatory.

Now take the above to consideration before making assumptions. :shiftyl:

[austinjrex]

True dat man.........the other game that will really scare you is going to be Dead Rush when that comes out.

[Dark_Viper]

Half-life 2 owns Halo 2 Gameplay wise... yes I do mean it.. the ability to use the gravity gun, to return gernades, shoot sharp discs, doing nearly anything damn possible is much better then the run down shoot em up (I know halo 2 will have vehicles). :shiftyl:yes there are vehicals in Hafe-Life 2.. and they are great.. i have the "Demo" of it.. so far awsome game.. (The Demo is the Leaked version of HL2)

But u forgot one thing.. the physics gun.. the ability to weld anything to anything else.... i welded 5 oil drums togeather and used the gravity gun to splater anyone that got in my way with it...

another thing is you can pick stuff up with ur bare hands and use it as a shield..

so in my experience.. Half-Life 2 owns and will allways own Halo 2..

DV

[EDIT] heres a pic of... oh i forget her name... well one of the scientists DOG... and its twice the size as you are.
http://max2048.free.fr/ressources/downloads/hl2_dog.jpg

[IceFlare]

halo 2 will have graphics intensive scenes and will be the first game to fully use every single aspect of a system to its advantage. there is also a diff between pc and xbox wen playing shooters. u gotta remember wasd as the main keys for motion which is pretty as close as u can get to up left down right. in a controller u can get that all in a logical order through the dpad or direction ketys

[singo]

Ya it is going to be better then Halo 2... unless Halo 2 gives you the ability to shoot out a building to crush the aliens under it.... then I'll retract my statement.... since knowingly only Half-life 2 can do that it just show how much more advanced in gameplay Half-life 2 really is!
ive heard the covanent can do that to you....so its only logical that you can do it back.

and Halo 2 looks so droolilicious..........
And orange is a silly colour for a hero so the HL series drops points there.

AND you can be covanent in multiplayer..i hope you can be a grunt....now there's a challenge.

and.....oh for crying out loud just watch the Demo videos okay?

and someone else.....UT2K4??? whatttt? its a friggin expansion not a game

okay, decapitating ppl with the hovermathingy's rotors is funny but its effectively 2k3 with vehicles, nothing to get exited about...the original UT owns both the new ones however.



PC developers just have more to work with. Of course, that doesn't mean they will use it properly. Halo 2 could still have better graphics if Bungie does a really good job with the Xbox hardware.
oh they have, they have

[Neo]

Oh yeah, Halo was made when Xbox was not online compatible, otherwise it would be pretty damn obvious that you could have 32-player battles.

BTW: oh yeah, nothing on PS2 matches Xbox. I don't think I need to explain why; a quick comparison between upcoming PS2 and Xbox games, and existing PS2/Xbox games will show you that PS3 is the only hope for Sony in consoling ;) . Gawd, i have no idea why PS2's are so popular... maybe it's the amazing rate at which new, shitty games are released. Yes, I enjoy Gran Turismo (one of the few good PS2-exclusive games) but it's getting slightly old. SOCOM is also alright, but I prefer PC online FPS's by a long way.

What's really sad is nintendo's GC. Bah, N64 was the finest console I've played on (just imagine... Goldeneye, Zelda, Super Mario and the other fantastic adventure games, Perfect Dark, Conker's Bad Fur Day... sheer bliss), and I had my hopes with GC, but it seems to have faded away severly. They barely sell GC games at my nearest Electronics store, and even then they're only new releases :cry:

Funny. Windwaker, Super Smash Bros, Metroid Prime, just to name a few of GCN games already out... Odd they are doing really well.

First off, Perhaps those who play the PS2 more often then the XBOX like having a console that doesnt have just one game to pull it along. On top of that, not EVERYONE LIKES FPS GAMES.

Some of us like games that have a certain amount of depth past "OMg ENEBY FiREE!!!"

Not only that but the PS2 is backwards compatible with all PSX games. Is the GCN? Is the XBox (oh ha, of course not)

Sony is fine in the console department. Actually I think its XBox that is having trouble, Hasnt only had Halo to hold it for awhile? And even now Halo is on the PC.

I dont know... Whatever.

Oh well, XBox is just for all of you people out there who think FPS are the "shit" and no other games are ever good enough. Well you know what? There are llike these other games, like RPGS, or Action, etc... I mean WOW and some of them are actually fun!!!

-Neo

[spastic-ninJa]

Ok, If I get agitated and begin to swear, and whatnot, please forgive me. I have written this post several times, but due to my computer's lack of proper functionality, I have lost what I have written. :cry:

First off, Perhaps those who play the PS2 more often then the XBOX like having a console that doesnt have just one game to pull it along.

Actually I think its XBox that is having trouble, Hasnt only had Halo to hold it for awhile? And even now Halo is on the PC.
I think you are missing the point, Neo. These comments are pretty irrational and irrelevant to the discussion. I could easily turn around and say: "PS2 is a stupid console because Gran Turismo and Final Fantasy are the only games pulling PS2 along." In reality, that is exactly what you said, except against Xbox. Now, I know of a helluva lot of games that make Xbox a great console, and I'm sure you know many decent games for PS2.

Think about this: Do you play GT and FF all the time? No? GUESS WHAT! I don't play Halo all the time, in fact, omg, I don't even own a copy of Halo. Does that mean my Xbox is worthless? Of course not! There are tons of games worth playing/buying on Xbox, just like on PS2, except that there are less that I enjoy playing. The thing is, I don't want to buy a console + 50 games (PS2)that I can complete in no time; I want a console which takes me a considerable amount of time to finish a game to a satisfactory degree. PS2 games, IMO, are linear, ie: once you have beaten the game, I see no reason to complete it again, as you have already completed everything that you want to complete. The only repitition offered is from time trial games, with rewards for completing a game/portion of the game in a short space of time.

Funny. Windwaker, Super Smash Bros, Metroid Prime, just to name a few of GCN games already out... Odd they are doing really well.
I enjoy Nintendo games above most games, but the problem with the GCN is the logistics in buying new games. In Auckland, I find it nigh impossible to find new GCN games. Yes, the games you stated are doing really well, but only in comparison with other GCN games. Do you truly think that those games, no matter how popular and fantastic they are, could compete (financially) with Xbox/PS2 games? IMO, I don't think so.

Some of us like games that have a certain amount of depth past "OMg ENEBY FiREE!!!"
Action/fighting/RTS's/sims/racing/sports/FPS's have little-to-no deep storylines in them. Do you play Mortal Kombat for the storyline, or the gore scenes http://img.orgnetwork.com/wb/icons/icon12.gif? What about NHL2K4, etc? The only games with immersive, intricate storylines are RPG's and Platformers. But, didn't some people earlier in this thread say that Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 will have fantastic storylines? So, I guess some FPS's aren't braindead gorefests, eh Neo? ^_~

Oh well, XBox is just for all of you people out there who think FPS are the "shit" and no other games are ever good enough. Well you know what? There are llike these other games, like RPGS, or Action, etc... I mean WOW and some of them are actually fun!!!
This comment dumbfounds me... All of your other comments (prior to this) have had some logic behind them, but this one... You are completely basing this on the fact that Halo is a benchmark game for XBox, so everyone who plays on the XBox, therefore, dislikes all other genres? This is stereotyping at its best...

I will use myself as an example: I don't even own a FPS on XBox! I prefer RPG's (DnD's, Diablo), RTS's (N/A for XBox, SC/WC3 for PC), Adventure/Platformers (MUST BE Nintendo-made platformers. No offense, but the PS2 platformers are very lacking (most common ones being Jak&Daxter, Rachet&Clank, Spyro, Crash Bandicoot). Compare them to Zelda, Mario, and you'll understand), and Racing sims (PGR2, TOCA/V8Supercars, NFS, GT).

Conclusion: IMHO, XBox games are superior to PS2 games, because of differing gameplay. (XBox is a superior (hardware-wise) system.) Ok, that's my opinion, so don't go all pyscho saying that I'm a XBox fanboi, FPS braindead person please ^_^

[IceFlare]

if or when halo 2 came out 4 computer.... do u kno wut kind of comp u wud need!?? the top of the line shiz cuz halo was demanding on the comp alrdy.... halo 2.. well u kno. but it might not be the case since halo 2 uses bump mapping a lot more

[ZeroDarkStar]

The one thing that really pissed me off in this thread is how people have been talking about how "Half-Life 2 pwns Halo 2's gameplay!1!11omg!1!1" or, "Doom 3 is so fucking scary so it's teh bomb omg!!!". Will you just stop it? You've never played the game, so shut your mouth about things you can't know about, nor won't until the game itself is released.

And on the Xbox's power subject:

Xbox is a dedicated gaming machine, meaning that the only program running on the machine is the game itself. PCs have all this shit to run through while processing the game, thus Xbox, and all other consoles, can do more with their power than a PC can do with an equal amount. It all evens out here.

[pixels]

the top of the line shiz cuz halo was demanding on the comp alrdy....
Hardly. 733MHz, 128MB RAM and a 32MB video card is not demanding at all.

[IceFlare]

actually.... if uve ever played halo pc the specs dun seem demanding but when u actually play it, it really is demanding. 256MB xt800 chip is making a lil xtra noise playing halo means a lot.

[pixels]

means something is wrong with your video card.

i play it all the time, btw

[Battlecruiser]

Xbox is a dedicated gaming machine, meaning that the only program running on the machine is the game itself. PCs have all this shit to run through while processing the game, thus Xbox, and all other consoles, can do more with their power than a PC can do with an equal amount. It all evens out here.
That is exactly correct. That is why it isn't great on PCs. Anyway Halo 2 is going to be really good. One of the kids here at camp, has a dad who works for Bungie, so he got to test halo 2, and he says it is great. I will tell you all the details and stuff when I get back.

[Modred]

The one thing that really pissed me off in this thread is how people have been talking about how "Half-Life 2 pwns Halo 2's gameplay!1!11omg!1!1" or, "Doom 3 is so fucking scary so it's teh bomb omg!!!". Will you just stop it? You've never played the game, so shut your mouth about things you can't know about, nor won't until the game itself is released.

Good point.

And on the Xbox's power subject:

Xbox is a dedicated gaming machine, meaning that the only program running on the machine is the game itself. PCs have all this shit to run through while processing the game, thus Xbox, and all other consoles, can do more with their power than a PC can do with an equal amount. It all evens out here.

That doesn't even out over 2 Ghz of processor difference. :p Compare a computer with a 450 Mhz processor to a GCN (which has a 450 Mhz processor). The GCN would kick its butt in processor speed and graphics. However, now compare that 450 Mhz GCN to a 3.4 Ghz PC. That difference is much larger than you think. ;)

Anyway, I'm actually thinking of getting an Xbox now, as the prices are dropping consistently.

As for what systems are doing well.

PS2 has the largest share of the market (or at least did) for several reasons. 1) It was out nearly a year before the others (although that didn't help the Dreamcast), 2) It has an ungodly large library of games (if you include PSX games), and 3) It is quite powerful for a gaming system (despite being the weekest of the three consoles now out).

GCN is doing reasonably well, and I believe that it is doing at least as well as the N64 ever did. You should remember that we had the N64 for something around six years before GCN came out. That is a long time without a new system, so logically the N64 would be more widely played.

Xbox is making money off of games, however the last time I checked, losing money on the systems. This problem has probably escalated with recent price drops. Of course, losing a bit of money on the Xbox won't hurt Microsoft that much, and the potential for an Xbox2 could catch the slack.

[IceFlare]

i just bought and upgraded my xt800.... i dun think theres anything wrong

[gershanecktj]

Halo 2 WILL ROCK! No matter what, you cannot resist Halo 2.
117...out

Yes, XBOX LIVE. BUT HELL!! I DON'T EVEN HAVE AN XBOX!!! FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!
117...out

[hammocksleeper]

When Halo 2 comes out PS2 and GC wont know wut to do for the FPS genre... I mean come on.... like how can u beat dual weapon holding and the incredible graphics to drool over.Goldeneye has dual weapon holding and great graphics in the context of its time setting. But I gotta say, the one thing I like about recent FPS's is that you can ride around in vehicles. That is so cool.

[Battlecruiser]

Goldeneye has dual weapon holding and great graphics in the context of its time setting. But I gotta say, the one thing I like about recent FPS's is that you can ride around in vehicles. That is so cool.
Yeah, it is. Like Battlefield 1942 did that, and that was one of the reasons it was such a good game. Though, I have to say, the vehicles in Halo weren't too good. But based on reports of Halo 2, I can say they are going to be much better. All the vehicles are getting revamped.

[IceFlare]

the warthog had waaaaaaaay too little torque and not enough control =( something that made it a bad choice but made balance for the 50 cal @ the back. the whole thing about destroying vehicles is also good

[dunchy]

I feel dumb how I missed this thread before! Time for some fun!

When Halo 2 comes out PS2 and GC wont know wut to do for the FPS genre... I mean come on.... like how can u beat dual weapon holding and the incredible graphics to drool over.

Console games rarely focus much on FPS, or do a good job with the Genre. True, there are exceptions, like Goldeneye and such, but overall, the PC FPS > Console. Nintendo and Sony may have clued into this. Notice the more innovative games coming from Nintendo's market? Or all the RPG games in the Sony department? True, Halo was fun on X-box, but if released on the PC at the same time, how would it stack up? Not as well, I'm sure.

half life 2 is gonna be good..... but good as halo 2 i dunno?

Much, MUCH better. Take the computing power of today, the textures and ragdoll effects. I just read the HL2 review at PC gamer, 96% that's pretty good. The problem with doing too much to a console game hinters it, look to the example of Perfect Dark on the N64. Great game, but there was just too much added. Framerate suffered, gameplay suffered. From everything I've seen of Halo 2 (there isn't much though other than some multiplayer and a quick trailer) compared to the video's of Half Life 2, everything is in favour of HL2. The graphics are better, the game looks hella fun to play more (come on, that gravity gun begs to be used) and more appealing to the average gamer, IMO.

Also notice that Metroid isn't really an FPS (although now they're trying to because of Multiplayer LOL, I can't wait to see how dissappointed Nintendo Fanboys are going to look "WTF, ITS AUTO AIMING, ITS SO CRAPPY!)

There's generally an option to turn off auto-aiming within options. Metroid Prime 1 was a terrific game (didn't it win game of the year?) so give Metroid Prime 2 a chance on being a great FPS.

fully interactive environments to a point. you wont be able to destory a door that is mission critical but u can destroy say a crate of ammo and it will cause a supersonic bang and mini mushroom cloud

To a point, but a small point in todays advanced FPS's out there. You can shoot a crate of ammo and it'll go boom in Halo. But in HL2, you can take that gravity gun, pick up a metal dresser, hurl it at a soldier, pick it up again, hurl, which then it'll break into multiple pieces. You take that gravity gun, take a shard of that dresser and hurl it at another soldier, where it cuts him in half. See the difference? Anything that isn't bolted down in Half Life 2 is interactable. Pick up a desk and place it behind a door to brace it. Shoot a barrel to lite it on fire, then pick it up and chuck it across the room into the face of the Soldier to have it explode in their face, and have mine shimmer with delight.

What annoys me is that consoles seem to be migrating closer and closer to online play and computers -- if i want a computer... ILl use my computer. And if I want to get online, ill use my computer ^_~

Agreed. I really wish that if consoles wanted this whole online pay, that it would be entirely free. I'm never paying for an online game, never.

What's really sad is nintendo's GC. Bah, N64 was the finest console I've played on (just imagine... Goldeneye, Zelda, Super Mario and the other fantastic adventure games, Perfect Dark, Conker's Bad Fur Day... sheer bliss), and I had my hopes with GC, but it seems to have faded away severly. They barely sell GC games at my nearest Electronics store, and even then they're only new releases

It's such a darn shame Nintendo came out in this console race, it really hindered them. It out sooner or on par with the PS2, I'm fairly certain Nintendo would be much better in the console race this time around.

You still can't beat 32player online. And the halo storyline can suck my balls. Its so fuckin made up.

16 people in your house playing Halo while screaming and drinking sure beats 'utkkiller' and 'diehalo4566' online gaming. Lan gaming or console gaming with people you know beats internet playing anyday of the week. Funny you say halo's storyline is bad when you compare it to that of UT. Best laugh I've had this week.

well guys... im waiting for BF2.. 100+ players online.. realistic army storyline... the ability to shoot down anything, including building.

16 people in your house! :D I never hear something like lol in my house when I hold parties like that. Everyone has beer and pizza, there's usually a controller thrown at someone, everyone laughs. I'm hoping BF2 has a much better sinple player bot mode. The first was horrible! bots right in the middle of the action were ok, manning guns and stuff, but those spawned outside would just sit around and seem to sing campfire songs!

peace_machine, unless I am mistaken, Perfect Dark 2 is still shrouded in mystery, if it is even in production. Please correct me if I am wrong (wouldn't mind being wrong about this :p).

Not to mention, ... Rare sucks. That company used to be wonderful. Look at the track record on the N64 and you'll get the idea. Then it's GC time, only 1 game made. Now bought up by MS, and only 2 games, both pretty lukewarm. Conker is the only game that looks promising right now. Comparing the talent shown in Goldeneye to PD shows the lack of innovation. I wonder how PD2 will be, not great in my books. If the game's being worked on, it's pretty quiet at this point.

graphics wise halo will pwn all and 2 guns.... its not how many guns its if each gun has a use and if its balance... i mean if i had an assault rifle that shot sniper rounds.... who would switch it?

If you have high speed, go to gametrailers.com and go to the H section, download some video's of HL2 in action, and you'll change that statement. I've seen Halo 2 in action. Multiplayer and single player, and I've seen HL2, and I'll tell you right now:

Half Life 2 graphics and gameplay outperform Halo 2.

do u kno wut kind of comp u wud need!?? the top of the line shiz cuz halo was demanding on the comp alrdy.... halo 2.. well u kno. but it might not be the case since halo 2 uses bump mapping a lot more

When Halo 1 came out, my 9600xt machine ran it just fine, all i had to do was keep the resolution at 1024*860. Works great if you keep it at it's prime level. Any of these new shooters while running at 1600*1200 will be crap. And my machine ran Doom 3 the exact same performance way. It looks like there's more textures, bump mapping and draw distances used in HL2, and more shadow effects in Doom 3, my machine ran doom 3 perfect, Far cry perfect, probably hl2 perfect. I doubt halo 2 would be any different on the pc.

The one thing that really pissed me off in this thread is how people have been talking about how "Half-Life 2 pwns Halo 2's gameplay!1!11omg!1!1" or, "Doom 3 is so fucking scary so it's teh bomb omg!!!". Will you just stop it? You've never played the game, so shut your mouth about things you can't know about, nor won't until the game itself is released.

I've played both the games, Doom 3 and Half Life 2! :) Doom 3 I wasen't scared at all, it's just the same rehashed material over and over, go into room, enemies jump out, kill them, run to next room repeat. On top of actually playing hl2, the video's many can watch and the reviews everyone is now reading show the type of gameplay you will be facing. I'm curious to wether Bungie is not showing any real video's to try and hide it from the other big name games, FC, D3, HL2 because it's inferior in many aspects? Or to try and build more anticipation? I'm not a fanboy of any game, I just compare games and decide when posed the question what's better in my mind?

Far Cry has that gameplay of "go anywhere, kill from any direction, swim, hanglide, whatever" Doom 3 has the "creep along slow, kiill everything that jumps out, creep again" and Half Life 2's got that "Use real world invironments to your advantace" feeling. So far Halo 2 *to me people!* only has a new invention of 2 guns annnd some new weapons (woopee! Wait Goldeneye had that!) I'm not saying halo 2 sucks or will be, after all it'll no doubt break buying records for the X-box, but so far compared to the pc shooters that are new, it's not covering any new grounds.

the warthog had waaaaaaaay too little torque and not enough control =( something that made it a bad choice but made balance for the 50 cal @ the back. the whole thing about destroying vehicles is also good

That is going to be cool, can't wait to blow up a hog' myself :)


Whew I'm tired now.

[spastic-ninJa]

16 people in your house playing Halo while screaming and drinking sure beats 'utkkiller' and 'diehalo4566' online gaming. Lan gaming or console gaming with people you know beats internet playing anyday of the week. Funny you say halo's storyline is bad when you compare it to that of UT. Best laugh I've had this week.Damn straight! LAN parties are the best! :)

Me and my mates are sure as hell having one first weekend that it's out -- we've all preordered ;)

Originally, I believed that Doom 3 would be pretty rubbish compared to HL2 and Halo 2. I reiterate that idea. Soon I believe we will see how console gaming rates up to PC gaming. If it's close, I will call it a win for console gaming, as they will have come so far in such a short space of time :)

Sadly, my computer probably won't run upcoming titles like EQ2 or HL2, but as long as it runs WoW, I'll be happy.

[Battlecruiser]

Damn straight! LAN parties are the best! :)

Me and my mates are sure as hell having one first weekend that it's out -- we've all preordered ;)

Originally, I believed that Doom 3 would be pretty rubbish compared to HL2 and Halo 2. I reiterate that idea. Soon I believe we will see how console gaming rates up to PC gaming. If it's close, I will call it a win for console gaming, as they will have come so far in such a short space of time :)

Sadly, my computer probably won't run upcoming titles like EQ2 or HL2, but as long as it runs WoW, I'll be happy.
Yeah, lucky for me, I have some holiday on the 11th which is the thursday. So that means I can play on that day, and then play on the weekend.

[Spartan-II]

Half-life 2 still owns Halo 2's ass anyday Doom 3 owns Halo 2's ass as well... so you get the idea.

Halflife 2> Doom 3 > .....> Halo 2You are going to get the largest asskicking ever.

Edit: I apologize for my above statement wasnt really thinking >.>

[Forerunner]

Halo 2 WILL ROCK! No matter what, you cannot resist Halo 2.
117...out

Yes, XBOX LIVE. BUT HELL!! I DON'T EVEN HAVE AN XBOX!!! FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!
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Woah, looks like someone read the books, 117.

[Spartan-II]

Yeah, lucky for me, I have some holiday on the 11th which is the thursday. So that means I can play on that day, and then play on the weekend.I also have a brak on the 11th and my b-day on 12th I dont have to go to school ;)