Xel'naga or no Xel'naga?

[RelinaIonna]

Do we want them involved as a part of the storyline, (ie Duran,) or are they just a bunch dead aliens that dont matter any more?

[Protogod]

It's hard to say "I want this" because I'd want to be surprised.

Regardless, it seems that the Xel'Naga will be making an appearance for the storyline of the game.

[RelinaIonna]

Been reading the book too, have we?

[Protogod]

Been reading the book too, have we?

Xel'Naga Temples and energy monsters.

WTF!?

[RelinaIonna]

I know, I've been doing just that since Shadow of the Xel'naga. I wonder if the Shakuras temple energy wave ate the Zerg and is now just chllin in space somewhere?


-smacks Mike Liberty-

I was there, not you!

[WarInSerbia]

I have not played SC but still I've read the story about Xel'naga and their creation of the Zerg.
Yea some Xel'naga artifact (or colony(city whatever)) or something should be in SC2,theres no way the Zerg could've destroyed them all

[DarkMirror]

It would be possible if their entire species traveled around in those worldships.

[RelinaIonna]

Yeah, especially since Blizzard never detailed what happened to the rest of their fleet when the Zerg smashed them up good.

[aleph20]

Perhaps not all the Xel'Naga went to Zerus when they were expelled from Aiur... Perhaps there are still some Xel'Naga worldships scattered through space... In the Zerg history doesn't specify if the Overmind destroyed the entire race. He just destroyed the bulk of the Xel'Naga, not all the race.

[IrishDutchman]

But are they even a force to be reckoned with? I mean, the Zerg raped them before they were fully developed and before they had all the broods they have 'now'.
The Terran and Protoss were able to resist much more powerful attacks by the Zerg, so it seems to me the Xel'Naga would be their bitch.

[Nephi]

it'd be sweet to have a 4th playable race....but thats just wishful thinking.

[Basan]

But are they even a force to be reckoned with? I mean, the Zerg raped them before they were fully developed and before they had all the broods they have 'now'.
The Terran and Protoss were able to resist much more powerful attacks by the Zerg, so it seems to me the Xel'Naga would be their bitch.

Considering that the Xel'Naga studying the Zerg were taken by surprise with the Overmind's initial attack to'em I expect a more prepared race, if they managed to pass the information to any other Xel'Naga vessel that wasn't in Zerus area. Similar happened to the Terrans when they initially fought the Zerg. They were caught off-guard but managed to prepare themselves for the following attack waves (probably because they also were more spread out than the Xel'Naga were when the initial attacks came). Why the same wouldn't happen to the Xel'Naga, if some worldship vessel of theirs escaped the Zerg's wrath?

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I honestly don't know what to expect from the Xel'Naga in SC2's story plot. For one side I'd like to see if they managed to survive the Zerg surprise in a reasonable fashion and have a direct impact on the story (if we're being able to play/fight against'em or not) or if they'll have an important role but not a direct one (artefacts, technology or something else). Since the option that fits me the best is the "I dun care", I'll vote for it although I honestly expected a "surprise me Blizz'" option. :P

[RelinaIonna]

That would be the invisible i dun care so long as blizzard surprizes me option.

I think their actual nomadic nature is the key here, were they nomadic as a whole, with all their world ships travelling together (ala Shadow Raiders,) or were they scattered across existence in many sects?

[RavenCrusade]

A few people on other forums have suggested a fourth playable race, and I've got to say I don't care if it is the Xel'naga or some other Protoss/Zerg mutant becomes a fourth race. If Starcraft leaves behind it's tradition of Three-Race perfectly-balanced fights, I will be disapointed. Starcraft tried something new when it came out, it was one of the first well-balanced three-teams RTSs out there. For it to abandon that tradition... well, I just hope the Xel'naga are a group of units, and not a race.

[WarInSerbia]

Well SC2 still aint finished so we can expect anything from Blizzard :D
The Xel'naga must have a capital (and a leader) somewhere.Maybe they are just hiding,afraid of the advancing Zerg?

[RavenCrusade]

Not necessarily, the origional capital and, I'm sure, leader are gone due to the Zerg uprising. I wouldn't be surprised if the remnants of the Xel'naga were spread out and isolated.

But are they even a force to be reckoned with? I mean, the Zerg raped them before they were fully developed and before they had all the broods they have 'now'.

Who's to say the Xel'naga haven't also been developing technology since they were origionally taken by surprise?

[endlessswarm45]

Yes, been waiting for this forever its half the reason Im going to buy starcraft 2 I want to see a starcraft 2 expanstion pack that ads the Xel'naga as a race to play as.

[pytum]

xelnaga and hybrids will be two of the most importants things in sc2

thnx blzz for the bonus missions

what happened with duran? what happened with the protoss?
why duran joined kerrigan, i mean his plan, complete plan?
where is duran from, which world, or galaxy?
when did he come, when did he joined the terran forces?

just a few questions of many that are unanswered? i think

[Kimera757]

I've been waiting a long time for the Xel'Naga.

The Xel'Naga plot aren't just found in the books. They were explicitly said to be returning in the Terran Campaign video played at BlizzCon.

The greater whole of the Xel'Naga were wiped out, according to the manual. That's not all of them. They're not extinct, just weakened. Perhaps sleeping :)

I don't think they're going to be as wimpy as before. Not only will they be prepared (they're the ones who built that Temple on Shakuras, what does that tell you) but they're probably the masters of the Hybrids, who are powerful enough to frighten Zeratul.

(I personally believe the Xel'Naga are wimps, eg not natural warriors, but that's why they breed warrior servant races.)

Blizzard has repeatedly stated the Xel'Naga won't be playable. There won't be XvT matches in the ladder. However, maybe they'll be in the game, possibly even playable (sort of like the Scrin mini-campaign). If they have even the rudiments of a tech tree, they can be made into a race for various campaigns (as done with Warcraft III "subraces" and "other races" eg naga, corrupted ancients, fel orcs, etc).

[Protoss_Honor]

I've been waiting a long time for the Xel'Naga.

The Xel'Naga plot aren't just found in the books. They were explicitly said to be returning in the Terran Campaign video played at BlizzCon.and it has been more or less been made obvious by The Story So Far Part 2 on the SCII website.

So, the question is not do we want them involved in the storyline, the question is how much will the be involved?

[Protogod]

I want to see a starcraft 2 expanstion pack that ads the Xel'naga as a race to play as.
You're retarded.

Blizzard has repeatedly stated the Xel'Naga won't be playable. There won't be XvT matches in the ladder.

[HazzaDaShiz]

Yeah, in the single player campaign, sure. They're pivotal to the storyline, they created 2/3 of the alien races in the game. They are going to have a role, whether or not you see them they still will. So I don't mind.

As for playing with them, well, Proto got it, Blizzard said no. And anyway, can you imagine how much work would have to be done to get a new race to fit into a playable multiplayer game AND test it to make sure everything was balanced?

I don't mind, cool in single player, not in multi.

[DarkMirror]

I agree with that... although at the same time, I think that whatever units they do have aren't going to be very powerful. The Xel'Naga shouldnt be a big military power. They just made races to find perfection.

I don't even think they should have "warrior" races. They should just be them, with their vast knowledge and technology. Maybe a few useful "weapons", like the temple.

[BlackDefiler]

I would prefer the Xel'naga to be present only indirectly through their artifacts and temples. It would give a much more noble feel to them. You would never actually meet them in person (since they were destroyed, hence I voted "no") but you would always feel like they are just around the corner and be amazed by the superior technology and ruins they have left behind. It would be cool if it felt like the ancients in "Stargate SG1" (not exactly since those turned out to be still around) with everyone triing to get information on them and trying be the first to get their hands on the remaining tech.

[Ktan]

Much like BlackDefiler, I'd like the Xel'Naga to have a massive but almost unseen/indirect affect on the story. Naturally their actions in the past have had ramifications, but I'd much prefer how the newer races will deal with these without suddenly throwing an 'all knowing' race in.

Also, I'd be interested to see, if the Xel'Naga do appear, them to take a less aggressive approach to war. They seem much more creators than destroyers, and have been badly hurt by both their creations, which indicates a lack of ability to take them on with weapons, or an unwillingness. Personally, if the Xel'Naga do appear, I'd like to see them primarily 'spell' based, with abilities focussed on neutralising and containing enemies, as opposed to simply destroying them. Obviously, this would make them unsuitable outside the campaign, but the campaign IMO is the only place they belong anyway.

I simply think Blizzard should do something a bit 'different' with the Xel'Naga. Lots of stories have had 'super-powered ancient races with formidable powers', it would be nice to see that the Xel'Naga are simply peaceable and intelligent scientists, but perhaps also flawed by the naivety they seemed to show with their earlier creations. If the Xel'Naga have instead 'mobilised for war', I'd be a bit disappointed, I think they are much more powerful as a story element as an unseen and enigmatic fourth party.

[WarInSerbia]

Arent the Xel'naga a race that is more peacefull?
If they had any defence on their space ships above Zerus I think they could destroy the zerg while they were in space or at least stoped their advance in the space ship.
They watched the zerg destroy other species and they watched their strategy to the max but they couldnt stop them in their own ship?This means that they dont have any weapons or defence.So they will probably "come in peace" when they finaly show up in SC2.I wouldnt be surprised if the Xel'naga told the Protoss and the Terran to join forces to destroy the zerg

The Xel'Naga are an ancient, cosmic race. They helped the Protoss and the Zerg races to evolve. In the end, the Xel'Naga were nearly destroyed by their own creation, the Zerg, when the Overmind and its swarms launched an attack against them from the planet Zerus. There are vague references to them conquering many worlds and assisting other races to reach a higher level in their individual evolutions.

[Eivind]

The idea that Xel'Naga being peaceful is interesting, albeit slightly unsuiting for a war game, perhaps? Maybe they don't bother with the fighting themselves, instead possessing races (much in the way the UED controlled the Overmind and with it most of the zerg) to do the job for them?

I voted yes, because they will prove an interesting new angle to the story. Keep coming with theories, folks! I actully enjoy reading them! Nothing is as interesting (and in retrospect, useless) as speculations.

Blizzard probably has something cool in store, as they already introduced an evil master race in WCIII. They are probably interesting in something a little bit different this time. Then again, maybe they're not.

[Kimera757]

Arent the Xel'naga a race that is more peacefull?

Protoss tradition holds that the Xel'Naga were peaceful. The Xel'Naga were both horrified and pleased at how vicious the Zerg were.

Of course, now that they've been smacked down, wouldn't you expect them to be bitter, and perhaps change their attitudes towards war?

(since they were destroyed, hence I voted "no")

Except they weren't.

[aleph20]

Perhaps the hybrids are the Xel'Naga secret weapon. Perhaps they are waiting for the opportune moment to attack their 'failed' creations. Not even the Xel'Naga could avoid having a thirst for vengeance towards the Protoss and the Zerg, especially after their crimes against the Xel'Naga in the past.

[DarkMirror]

No, I think it wouldn't fit for the Xel'Naga to have many, if any weapons, nor for them to use other races as weapons. Ultimately its up to Blizzard, but I would much prefer if their units were mainly spellcasters, as Ktan said.

[aleph20]

Well, the hybrids must have a purpose. I have seeded the Hybrid on many, many worlds. You will never find them all before they awaken... And when they do... your universe will be changed... forever (as Samir Duran said). The hybrids must have a dangerous purpose, and, if they're a Xel'Naga experiment... they must be one of the Xel'Naga weapons.

[RelinaIonna]

Hopefully the Hybrids will change the universe in a way less obvious than: look at my perfect army, muahahaha, everybody die! >.>

[Basan]

... If Starcraft leaves behind it's tradition of Three-Race perfectly-balanced fights, I will be disapointed. Starcraft tried something new when it came out, it was one of the first well-balanced three-teams RTSs out there. For it to abandon that tradition...

To the best of my knowledge it was the 1st RTS game with 3 balanced races, without one being almost an exact clone of the others (in units, abilities and skills) and it remains that way as far as I know.
And if "they abandon that tradition" it's up to'em since they're the game owners and developers for that matter. ;p
Plus, I trust that the well known Blizz's policy of "we'll release it when it's ready" won't fail us as you're somewhat implying.

... They're pivotal to the storyline, they created 2/3 of the alien races in the game. ...

Tiny correction, if you will. They helped enhancing the already existing 'raw' genetic material of the said races into the two different forms of their envision.

Much like BlackDefiler, I'd like the Xel'Naga to have a massive but almost unseen/indirect affect on the story. Naturally their actions in the past have had ramifications, but I'd much prefer how the newer races will deal with these without suddenly throwing an 'all knowing' race in.

Also, I'd be interested to see, if the Xel'Naga do appear, them to take a less aggressive approach to war. They seem much more creators than destroyers, and have been badly hurt by both their creations, which indicates a lack of ability to take them on with weapons, or an unwillingness. Personally, if the Xel'Naga do appear, I'd like to see them primarily 'spell' based, with abilities focussed on neutralising and containing enemies, as opposed to simply destroying them. Obviously, this would make them unsuitable outside the campaign, but the campaign IMO is the only place they belong anyway.

I simply think Blizzard should do something a bit 'different' with the Xel'Naga. Lots of stories have had 'super-powered ancient races with formidable powers', it would be nice to see that the Xel'Naga are simply peaceable and intelligent scientists, but perhaps also flawed by the naivety they seemed to show with their earlier creations. If the Xel'Naga have instead 'mobilised for war', I'd be a bit disappointed, I think they are much more powerful as a story element as an unseen and enigmatic fourth party.

I tend to agree with your assessment of it. :tup: In fact, that's what I originally thought.
Have always considered the Xel'Naga temple to be a early creation of theirs that fitted the role of a WMD (weapon of mass destruction) since it wiped everything near the temple's vicinity and the obvious Zerg tuned attraction to it since they sensed the same energies that assembled'em in the 1st place flow from it.

[DarkMirror]

I like to think that the temple was... more like a lab kit, maybe. I don't know, I just don't think it was ever meant as a weapon. Maybe it was some sort of sterilizing system, to "reset" experiments, maybe it was more like a box of chemicals that could be used for a number of purposes (And the Protoss only figured out how to make it go boom).

[Ktan]

Protoss tradition holds that the Xel'Naga were peaceful. The Xel'Naga were both horrified and pleased at how vicious the Zerg were.


Not necessarily. They were impressed by the tancity the Zerg showed, and their aptitude for survival. They were pleased by the 'purity of essence', the 'mind over matter' talents of the Zerg. This isn't the same thing as being vicious, and they probably mistook such a notion for courage or determination.

I'm sure they would have prepared themselves much better if they had understood how vicious the Zerg truly were. If they were 'pleased' at that level of viciousness, they should have been well prepared for the danger.

I'm inclined to say, the Xel'Naga aren't very good at learning lessons...

[masterofhobbiton]

I think they were shocked at the violent forms that the zerg evolved into though.... lemmie find the passage....

The Xel'Naga soon made an alarming discovery. The original races assimilated by the Zerg were hardly recognizable after only a few generations of their inception... Over a surprisingly short amount of time, the strains grew to resemble a terrifyingly ravenous and unified race.

Okay, so it doesn't explicitly say that they didn't like it, but I get the feeling that they saw how violent the Zerg were and refused to believe that it meant that they as a race were evil. Immediately after observing this inter-species zerg mutation they created the overmind, so I think that they saw the zerg becoming potentially violent and dangerous and wanted to create a sensible sentient mind with morals and stuff to rein them in. So I think I'd agree more with Kimera757, even though it's not explicitly stated.

[RelinaIonna]

For a race of scientists, I dont think the Xel'naga would be using labels such as good or evil. So you're right, they would probably never be able to come to terms with the full nature of the zerg.

[Ktan]

...So I think I'd agree more with Kimera757, even though it's not explicitly stated.

I'd argue since it was an 'alarming' discovery, that's probably no the case :/

In fact, wasn't the Overmind made to control the Zerg and keep them on a tight leash? Unfortunately, it worked a little too well :P

To clarify, they didn't see the 'viciousness' as a good thing, they saw it as something they'd need to suppress. The fact they created the Overmind seems evidence enough of that. It could be argued then that they wanted to 'wield' the Zerg as some sort of weapon, but instead of sitting around 'observing', if the Xel'Naga wanted to use the Zerg as a weapon, they would have used them thusly, instead of trying to keep them pinned and suppressed.

[DarkMirror]

Theres also the possibility that the Xel'Naga simply saw the Zerg as a scientist would find a new strain of ant whcih uses warrior breeds. A curiosity. Certainly dangerous, but not evil. There is no such thing as "good" and "evil" really.

I don't think the Zerg are evil. Kerrigan is... twisted, but not "evil". The Zerg are doing what they evolved to do, nothing more.

[Lithium]

Much like BlackDefiler, I'd like the Xel'Naga to have a massive but almost unseen/indirect affect on the story. Naturally their actions in the past have had ramifications, but I'd much prefer how the newer races will deal with these without suddenly throwing an 'all knowing' race in.

Also, I'd be interested to see, if the Xel'Naga do appear, them to take a less aggressive approach to war. They seem much more creators than destroyers, and have been badly hurt by both their creations, which indicates a lack of ability to take them on with weapons, or an unwillingness. Personally, if the Xel'Naga do appear, I'd like to see them primarily 'spell' based, with abilities focussed on neutralising and containing enemies, as opposed to simply destroying them. Obviously, this would make them unsuitable outside the campaign, but the campaign IMO is the only place they belong anyway.

I simply think Blizzard should do something a bit 'different' with the Xel'Naga. Lots of stories have had 'super-powered ancient races with formidable powers', it would be nice to see that the Xel'Naga are simply peaceable and intelligent scientists, but perhaps also flawed by the naivety they seemed to show with their earlier creations. If the Xel'Naga have instead 'mobilised for war', I'd be a bit disappointed, I think they are much more powerful as a story element as an unseen and enigmatic fourth party.

Thanks for clearing that up. Before I read your post "Seraphim" kept running around my head.

So basically, you're suggesting a forerunner (from halo) type of influence from the Xel'Naga, where they will be driving the storyline, the goals and the ending. I don't really know what to say about this... I mean if some of the predictions of various other forum members were true, that Xel'Naga also created the terrans, then this would be running side by side with Halo. Not to mention how enraged the Catholic church will be at it, even though christianity is supposed to be promoting peace. ;)

[Eivind]

What if the Xel'Naga were good guys and Hybrids bad guys?

I agree on the notion that Xel'Naga might be peaceful, but the Hybrids don't seem that way (you'll never find them all... sounds bad too me).

[Lithium]

naga vs hybrids? pfft. of course the Hybrids would win.

[Kimera757]

I don't think the Zerg are evil. Kerrigan is... twisted, but not "evil". The Zerg are doing what they evolved to do, nothing more.

What Kerrigan did to Zeratul in the Reckoning was evil. And, unlike Mengsk, he didn't do anything warranting such revenge.

What if the Xel'Naga were good guys and Hybrids bad guys?

That's unlikely. Zeratul has already warned Raynor that the Xel'Naga coming back spells bad things, and the Xel'Naga are probably making the Hybrids.

We don't know if the Xel'Naga are evil, careless, or what not, but if they're the ones making the Hybrids, the latter will probably follow their motivations. (So if the Xel'Naga aren't evil, the Hybrids probably aren't, either.) Unless the Hybrids stab the X'N in the back, but that's already been done. Twice! You'd think a smart guy like Duran would learn the lesson.

The Dark Templar Saga has been subtly (well, not too subtly, really) suggesting that the Xel'Naga are evil, but most Protoss believed otherwise, and evidence that they were evil was generally lost to anyone except Preservers during the Aeon of Strife... and for some reason, the Preservers haven't been talking until very recently.

[DarkMirror]

It never seemed like the Xel'Naga were evil in the books. Their research was... complex, and hard to understand, and somewhat disturbing, but so much of science is. The only parts of it that became "evil" were those corrupted by Ulraej.

[masterofhobbiton]

Well, and, you know, the zerg.

[LDawgg]

I also agree that the Xel'naga seem ominant and imortal when veiwed from their ancient ruins and forgotten powers. I beleive if you actually encounter them in the game, as in, fighting and killing them, it would greatly diminish their, for lack of a better word, epicness.

[Kimera757]

It never seemed like the Xel'Naga were evil in the books. Their research was... complex, and hard to understand, and somewhat disturbing, but so much of science is. The only parts of it that became "evil" were those corrupted by Ulraej.

So... when the Xel'Naga were draining Protoss and the corpses were found in the Aeon of Strife, that was Ulrezaj's fault? Ulrezaj wasn't even alive then.

I also agree that the Xel'naga seem ominant and imortal when veiwed from their ancient ruins and forgotten powers.

Something makes me doubt there will be many Xel'Naga to kill, and they'll always be guarded by machines, Hybrids, etc. Killing even one is a plot-heavy event, maybe like killing a Dreadlord in the Warcraft III campaign.

[LDawgg]

Killing even one is a plot-heavy event, maybe like killing a Dreadlord in the Warcraft III campaign.

Exactaly, I think the Xel'naga should pop in an out of the story, usualy followed by major events that shape the entire plot.

[DarkMirror]

I'd like to note that we don't know why the Xel'Naga were draining those Protoss, or even what that was really doing. And I already stated that the Zerg are, IMO, not evil.

[Kimera757]

The draining crystal inflicted great pain on Savassan when he used it, and Temlaa had to rescue him to keep him from being drained to death by the device (the same fate as the other dead Protoss).

I don't think you need to know exactly what the crystal is doing to know that's a bad thing.

[DarkMirror]

Actually, IIRC, that was only if the system was put in one direction. Putting it in the other sent a bunch of energy surging into Savassan.

Again, complicated, hard to understand, and slightly disturbing... but no proof of being evil.

[HazzaDaShiz]

Well here's the thing with the hybrids. Correct me if I'm wrong, however.

Protoss were pure in one form, but failed in the other. Zerg were pure in the other, but not in the first (I think one's essence and the other is something else, haha).
Surely the Xel'Naga would love to see the Zerg assimilate the Protoss, as that would surely complete the Xel'Naga's aim, yes/no?
Though Terran ... they seem to be the unlucky ones stuck in the middle of this.

Anyway, I haven't read the books/studied the lore, so I don't know.

[DarkMirror]

Except recently the Protoss got over the "failing" that had caused the Xel'Naga to abandon them, which was their disunity.

[HazzaDaShiz]

Except recently the Protoss got over the "failing" that had caused the Xel'Naga to abandon them, which was their disunity.


I guess, yeah. Though which is preferred, the unity of the Protoss or the mindless following of the Zerg?

[Kimera757]

Actually, IIRC, that was only if the system was put in one direction. Putting it in the other sent a bunch of energy surging into Savassan.

Obviously. Pity no one bothered to save the previous six experimental subjects.

[DarkMirror]

We still don't know what that thing was meant for. Perhaps they were sickly? Perhaps that entire thing was a precursor of the Protoss memory-carriers? Maybe it was meant to drain the knowledge of dying Protoss and record it, preserve it?

That would certainly help explain Savassan's behavior afterwards.

[Ktan]

Thanks for clearing that up. Before I read your post "Seraphim" kept running around my head.

So basically, you're suggesting a forerunner (from halo) type of influence from the Xel'Naga, where they will be driving the storyline, the goals and the ending. I don't really know what to say about this... I mean if some of the predictions of various other forum members were true, that Xel'Naga also created the terrans, then this would be running side by side with Halo. Not to mention how enraged the Catholic church will be at it, even though christianity is supposed to be promoting peace. ;)

Well, I certainly hope that the Terrans were not Xel'Naga creations (also bearing in mind, the Xel'Naga did not actually strictly CREATE life, they just guided the physical and cultural evolution of the Protoss and the Zerg) because I like that the Terrans are a completely separate entity caught up in some sort of intergalactic war.

Also, I suspect that if the Terrans had been influenced by the Xel'Naga, they would have had some idea.

It could be the case that the Terrans were made by the Xel'Naga to eventually fight the Protoss and Zerg, but that seems a bit weak to me. I personally think the whole 'caught up in the middle of it all' is what gives the Terrans some of their appeal.

[Kimera757]

We still don't know what that thing was meant for. Perhaps they were sickly? Perhaps that entire thing was a precursor of the Protoss memory-carriers? Maybe it was meant to drain the knowledge of dying Protoss and record it, preserve it?

Something like that, and even giving them good stuff. The Xel'Naga technology could be used for good or for ill, but in the case of those six Protoss, it was used for ill.

Note that there were no actual Xel'Naga present (or an obvious villain like Ulrezaj present) when Savassan got drained/schooled. How the technology was used by the Xel'Naga is more important than how, exactly, it works.

Once the Xel'Naga got the knowledge, they could have restored those Protoss (as Temlaa proved, restoring was quite easy).

[DarkMirror]

Again, they may have been sickly and dying in the first place. We don't know.
I cannot say that my impression of the Xel'Naga was that they were evil.

[aleph20]

Well, the more important question is: What is the true reason behind the Xel'Naga experiment? Why they needed to create a perfect race with both 'purity of form' and 'purity of essence'?

[DarkMirror]

Actually, they didn't want to create one with both. They tried Purity of Form for the longest time, then gave up after the Protoss. Then they decided to try out Purity of Essence, and we all know how that ended.

[aleph20]

He, yeah. The creations turned against their own creators. It is ironic. The Xel'Naga, the Confederacy... many factions played to be gods, and eventually they were destroyed by their own creations.

[Kimera757]

Actually, they didn't want to create one with both. They tried Purity of Form for the longest time, then gave up after the Protoss. Then they decided to try out Purity of Essence, and we all know how that ended.

The Xel'Naga were delighted with the Protoss (who originally seemed to have both). Also, they may be seeking revenge against the Zerg, and the Hybrids could be even stronger (so they'd make a good weapon) in addition to satisfying the Xel'Naga's more secretive scientific interests.

[LDawgg]

Well i think if we see the Xel'naga we'll see a lot more of the hybrids.

[Protogod]

The Xel'Naga were delighted with the Protoss (who originally seemed to have both).


Wrong. The protoss were a failure, and the Xel'naga left in shame.

[aleph20]

Wrong. The protoss were a failure, and the Xel'naga left in shame.

No, he isn't wrong. The Xel'Naga were delighted with the Protoss... until the Protoss turned against them, of course.

[DarkMirror]

No... the Xel'Naga deemed the Protoss a failure and packed up to leave when the Protoss began to lose their unity. Then the 'toss got pissed and attacked them, leading into the Eon of Strife.

[RelinaIonna]

It was a mix of both.

And as for the six protoss experimented upon, it's not evil. That's like saying scientists who dissect Zerg are evil. Its neither good nor evil, it just is.

[DarkMirror]

No, it wasn't a mix of both. The Xel'Naga wanted Purity of form, almost got it with the Protoss, then failed them for becoming individualistic. Then they moved on to the Zerg, with the new ideal of Purity of Essence.

Get your lore straight, man.

[Protogod]

RelinaIonna, stop being stubborn and just google this shit. You're wrong. Period. Jesus tap dancing christ.

[masterofhobbiton]

What I wonder is if they would consider them a success now, after the khala was implemented.

I just hope that blizzard comes up with a really original design for them if they do make an appearence (or some ancient protoss carving of them or something). Not like some humanoids or reptiles or fish or something. Something completely out there.

[Kimera757]

What I wonder is if they would consider them a success now, after the khala was implemented.

More importantly (IMO), what will they think of the Dark Templar? (The Dark Templar venerate the Xel'Naga. You would think they know better, since in lore they frequently seem to know more about the Xel'Naga than the Khalai. However, the Khalai from Aiur do have access to a few tight-lipped Preservers.)

I just hope that blizzard comes up with a really original design for them if they do make an appearence (or some ancient protoss carving of them or something). Not like some humanoids or reptiles or fish or something. Something completely out there.

The Xel'Naga are almost certainly not pure of form. The Protoss are, and they're humanoid, so I doubt the Xel'Naga will be humanoid.

[RelinaIonna]

No... the Xel'Naga deemed the Protoss a failure and packed up to leave when the Protoss began to lose their unity. Then the 'toss got pissed and attacked them, leading into the Eon of Strife.
No, he isn't wrong. The Xel'Naga were delighted with the Protoss... until the Protoss turned against them, of course.

I was refering to the fact that according to the manual that the Xel'naga left their failed experiment, but part of that failing was the way in which the 'toss turned against the Xel'naga. Reread it for yourself, as the individualism began, so did the suspicion and shying away from the Xel'naga. The Xel'naga pushed their experiment too hard, and it went south. It was a mix of both, the Protoss were beginning to turn against the Xel'naga when the Xel'naga decided to depart from their failed experiment, which provoked the Protoss into all out backlash. They didn't just suddenly decide to slay their gods, the seeds were already there.

More importantly (IMO), what will they think of the Dark Templar? (The Dark Templar venerate the Xel'Naga. You would think they know better, since in lore they frequently seem to know more about the Xel'Naga than the Khalai. However, the Khalai from Aiur do have access to a few tight-lipped Preservers.) A damn excellent question, though it brings to mind if the Xel'naga had greater reasons for creating races of one form of purity or another.

The Xel'Naga are almost certainly not pure of form. The Protoss are, and they're humanoid, so I doubt the Xel'Naga will be humanoid.Sound reasoning, but maunal concept art portrays the Xel'naga as similar to the 'toss. Concept art is never a be all and end all mind.

[Kimera757]

Sound reasoning, but maunal concept art portrays the Xel'naga as similar to the 'toss. Concept art is never a be all and end all mind.

I know the picture you're referring to. This one? Image (http://www.sonsofthestorm.com/viewer.php?artist=metzen&cat=starcraft&art=10) That's a robed Protoss. Note the robed ones has psionic appendages, gathered with "rings" falling down their left side.

[WarInSerbia]

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[masterofhobbiton]

If that's the case, then;

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/DecKrash/Fail-2.jpg

I think the manual says they just made the overmind to keep the zerg from getting out of control and killing eachother and stuff.

And yeah, there's no Xel Naga concept art anywhere.

[Protogod]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/DecKrash/Fail-2.jpg



A pretty apt analysis.