Warcraft hate?

[ForTheSwarm]

I'm getting an anti-Warcraft feeling from some Starcraft people. I've never played it before, so I want to ask: is there something inherently bad about Warcraft, such as being very unbalanced, or is it just because it's different?

[masterofhobbiton]

People don't like it because it sapped attention from Starcraft when it became popular. They can't understand why it's popular because of it's slower pace and strategies all reliant on the RPGish heroes instead of skill. It's not such a bad game, and there is still skill and strategy and stuff especially at higher levels of play that are really cool, but SC fans find it ridiculously lame. Also a lot of people play it for DoTA, which really is lame IMO. People just feel that it's not as good of a game as starcraft, and they're right, because starcraft is called the best RTS of all time and stuff, and they're mad at it for blizzard spending time on it and then creating WoW instead of more SC. :D

[SilverCrusader]

To give a rather biased opinion, StarCraft's level of play is on a totally different level than any other RTS out there - including WC. It is one of the fastest paced RTS's out there and has strategy to rival that of games that revolve around strategy. Not only this, but it comes with an unparalleled balance. No other game has ever come close to the balance StarCraft has. Not only that, but the mapping and modding community collectively know more about the game and its engine than the creators.

[Dolphin]

Starcraft is just a really well made game during its time and set the bar up until today. I haven't played the campaign, i just got it because my friends were playing online and invited me to do the same, and once they stopped, i just stopped. I got into the story by reading the books, and the sc novels are among the best I have ever read. It has a good story mixed with action and at a good pace.

I did the same thing with warcraft. Got it to play dota with friends and I liked it, so that is all I play on wc. Believe it or not, I am better at dota than the actual melee style of play.

[masterofhobbiton]

and the sc novels are among the best I have ever read.

lol, you need to read some more then. :P

[Ahzz]

I dont 'hate' it because it took away part of the community or anything . thoose who left are just plain losers anyway. Basically they bragged about their game how its great etc when they cannot even understand how much worse it is RTS wise than SC. Their game lacks several important features which SC does not.

And really. It's never been 'hate'. It's that Starcraft players think of it as a bad game, which in my opinion, it is

[DNCMF036]

Well to my opinion, DoTA sucks, I mean what's the significance of levelling up, gaining new skills, buying new items and stuff? And yes, StarCraft melee gameplay IS cool. I just got the hang of it recently since I've been a lame-o cheater all the time. WarCraft, is just plainly fantasy, and I find StarCraft better than WarCraft in terms of fiction.

[lammas]

Imo its just a shitty game, I never was able to force myself into playing it more than 20minutes so I dont know anything about the balance or such. Might be that it felt so terrible mostly because its quite close to sc, and when you are used to being able to smash all public players its quite depressing to lose in 5 minutes without any idea about what went wrong.

[Twitch6000]

To give a rather biased opinion, StarCraft's level of play is on a totally different level than any other RTS out there - including WC. It is one of the fastest paced RTS's out there and has strategy to rival that of games that revolve around strategy. Not only this, but it comes with an unparalleled balance. No other game has ever come close to the balance StarCraft has. Not only that, but the mapping and modding community collectively know more about the game and its engine than the creators.
I support this statement =].

[Ahzz]

Might be that it felt so terrible mostly because its quite close to sc, and when you are used to being able to smash all public players its quite depressing to lose in 5 minutes without any idea about what went wrong.
not true. If you were smashed in a public game then you were extremely unlucky with your opponent. Fact is that any decent SC gamer will smash the average public players even easier than in starcraft. And I've heard of this from several people, and I've played the ladder a bit myself in the past. Not much tho, so I cant be called an expert

[Protogod]

SC was just on a totally different level than WC, and theres a little animosity between communities because sc was supposedly "WC in space", but as it turned out, sc was more successful, and wc3 ended up being somewhat imbalanced, less competitive, and with DotA, in fact, being based off of sc maps.

[lammas]

yeah those fucks are just bitter cause our game is better and they know it!

ahzz might be that the guy just happened to be especialy good ooa

[DarkMirror]

I used to refer to Warcraft as "Warcrap" along with a few other people. However... I have been playing it for the first time since yesterday, and i will say that its very fun and entertaining.

I do maintain that Starcraft is better balanced and more fun as an RTS however.

[BrotherGreen]

Fuckin Warcraft. I seriously cant stand it, and hate it when warcrafters bash on starcraft as being old and shit.

Theres a reason its still crazy popular. And that its got tv stations in korea, and players that are paid more than baseball players.

Starcraft is great because its so basic in terms of fewer units and no heroes in real melee. The more you add, the more complex it gets, and the more imba.

[ForTheSwarm]

Just because StarCraft is better doesn't mean WarCraft sucks, or does it?

[PaiN]

Its all up to your preference. Starcraft may (or should be in my opinion) be classified as the better RTS but if you enjoy the gameplay of WC thats fine just dont rip on SC because you will lose.

[ForTheSwarm]

I wasn't trying to rip on StarCraft, nor have I even played Warcraft.

[PaiN]

Never saying you were. Im just saying that its okay to prefer WC to SC just when you say that to people sometimes they can get very defensive =/

[ShadeZ]

Warcraft 3 is so much more focused on micro then starcraft is, but I don't really think that it's a bad game. They're both fine games, and anyway, what is the point of badmouthing one and praising the other when they're made by the same company? They both appeal to different players, which increases the revenue blizzard gets. In the end, that's the important thing for game designers anyway.

[Dolphin]

Put it this way, without Warcraft, we wouldn't have world of warcraft... and without WoW... well blizzard wouldn't exist anymore and sc2 would be unheard of... so... :/

[Aqo]

As someone who've played both Starcraft and Warcraft 2 BNE and 3 TFT for a fair amount of time I have to say that both games aren't bad, the only difference is that Warcraft is good and Starcraft is upstanding. To all those who bash Warcraft, how about you actually play it first? You'll have fun, it's a good game. But then, Starcraft -is- better if you're looking for a challenging competitve game, so it's really all down to preference.

[Ahzz]

As someone who've played both Starcraft and Warcraft 2 BNE and 3 TFT for a fair amount of time I have to say that both games aren't bad, the only difference is that Warcraft is good and Starcraft is upstanding. To all those who bash Warcraft, how about you actually play it first? You'll have fun, it's a good game. But then, Starcraft -is- better if you're looking for a challenging competitve game, so it's really all down to preference.
I've played both quite a bit, but I think that you just nailed it RIGHT HERE.
I did have fun playing wc3, but not as much fun as SC. And it wasn't as interesting imo either.
Also, my friend just watched like 50 warcraft 3 tft replays and guess what he said?
They did the same shit in every single game. He was impressed when someone did anything even a bit different than in the rest of the games. And I'm talking about pro/gosu level games here.
This is how he summed it up:
First they build up a bit, creep for first 10-15 minutes. After that they have ONE big battle on the middle, and the one who wins that usually wins the game. Thats the summary.

[Cpt.Chronic]

I had to literally force myself to play WC3. Every time I went to play the game, I'd see my SC disc sitting there, and I would want so badly to play it, but I was like...well, I spent money on WC3 so I gotta give it a chance. I finished the campaign and played a fair amount online and it just wasn't very fun or strategic. And I'm not one of these people that think SC is the be-all end-all, but it is the best RTS for competitive multiplayer. As far as single player strategy games go, I'd have to give the nod to Rome: Total War, and when I played this game, I was not wishing I was playing SC.

[Tralfagar]

I enjoy RTS, Turn-Based Strategy games, and most other forms of strategy games, and have played, and enjoyed most of Blizzard's games(WCI, WCII WCII: ToD, SC, SC: BW, Diablo, DII, DII: LoD). However, WCIII was strikingly different than any of them, which of itself isn't a bad thing. However, what I didn't like is that it focused on an individual more than the army at large in a big way, and thus made it more of an RPG than a RTS in my mind. For that reason, the game didn't seem to blend well enough for me(as an above-poster has said. You spend the first part of the game hunting random baddies, gain experience/treasure, and then proceed to battle).

Starcraft, on the otherhand, seems much more integrated. You not only have to scout to see what you're fighting against, but you also have to decide if you're going to go for an early rush, and how much of a gambit you want to pull(coming from back in 1.09: 4-pool, 9-pool), or if you're going to skip to go straight for Hydra/Lurker. Likewise, Terran has to worry about getting medics quickly, while Toss has to worry about defenses so they don't get wiped too early. Which choices you make in the early part of the game have an effect on the late(r) game.

That, and now that I dislike fantasy settings(exception: SteamPunk, but that's not strictly fantasy), but love sci-fi.:cool:

[neobowman]

Welcome to warboards. Btw I'm fine with WarCraft, until I play it, at which point I will laugh at it until I die.

[ForTheSwarm]

So, I'm assuming you're a zombie now?

[GroG]

I like both games equally.

[ForTheSwarm]

I've noticed, since you post on the StarCraft forums, and are a moderator for the WarCraft ones.

[Tralfagar]

Welcome to warboards. Btw I'm fine with WarCraft, until I play it, at which point I will laugh at it until I die.

Thank you very much. If you've been wondering who it was under the stairs to get here...it was me trying burrow.:D

[SgtHK]

Put it this way, without Warcraft, we wouldn't have world of warcraft... and without WoW... well blizzard wouldn't exist anymore and sc2 would be unheard of... so... :/
OR.......... we could put it this way: Without WarCraft, there wouldn't be a StarCraft now, would it? ;)

StarCraft is my #1 game of all time. I've never been inspired by any other game more than StarCraft. I only play WarCraft for DotA allstars, with my friends in cybercafes; not competitively, just for socializing and fun.