UD theorycraft

[Mtank]

Im starting with UD cause soon after i finsih my exams...i think i'd be useful to brush up on my UD theorycraft until then...

ok...this is what you go if you're up against:

ranged: melee...ghouls,aboms, stats
MElee: Air...anything else exept stats?
Spells: Destroyers
air: fiends...and maybe gargs?

hmm...is there any other broad basics? any experienced UD player care to give some tips?

[Scauthra]

I don't get using both Fiends and Gargs vs air. The Gargs attack changes to land and it sucks.

Ahem
Ghoul/Stat/Necro/Wagon
Mass Fiends/Stats
Abombs/Gargs

Thats all I use.

[cole]

My fav strats:
UD vs UD: Lich/ghouls while teching fast to tier 2 then pump garg/ghoul/stat and get a CL or DL.
UD vs NE: If i see them hunt teching than i go fiends,a few ghouls,and a DK then once i hit tier 2 i go fiend/stat/wagon/maybe a few banshees and later aboms. However if they try their gay mass archers than i go dual crpty while at tier 1 and pump ghouls with DL or DK.
UD vs HU : Ghouls/lich to ghoul/dk/a few aboms/stat/destroyer
Ud vs ORC : This is pretty controversial. Most go cheesy fiend/stat vs orc but i prefer fast expo and techin to fiend/nec/stat {if they dont get TC as first hero} OR abom/stat/and a few frostys.

Hope this helps you.

[Mtank]

it does...
*copies everything down on notepad for future reference*

[zsnowboardinz]

This is alot to read but if you are into WC read ESPECUALLY IF YOU PLAY UD... and give me feedback too please, but mostly feadback for who made this thread.

necros are under estimated... I have played a map against a NE player where we were the only ones left... he had POTM and en excelent army. Everything I sent in got raped even if i went with 100 food. Mass air, feind/stat, anything... then I went about 8 necro, 3 wagon, 1 abom just for kicks 2 statues (one for health) 3 or 4 banshee, hero(I forget which hero i had, but DL would be best to give skillitons vapiric aura) then I stomped him and the only thing deing was skillitons, so i just kept raising. Whoich every death my army got bigger. Tell me how do you kill somthing not living. Necros own with the propper army to go with them. (PS- i used the banshees to posses his best melle units for example i got acouple bears and some other stuff with my 3-4 banshees i threw in with my army)

I hope that helps you but il give you a few more extra tips-

- Expand asap... i kno my first creep raid i find a gold mine and go to it right away. chances are even if they do destroy ur expansion, it was worth it anyway because usually by then you mined enough gold to make it worth it.

- dont mass with one thing like mass fiends/stat massing with one or 2 units is not a good way to learn and beleive it or not its not nearly the best attack... diff units have diff good abilities so why not have alot of different units for different things. Like my attack for example, I had many different units.

- Get shades and spy at tiar 2... knowing what your aponent is doing is well worth it even if it does cost alot more food. I usually get 3-4 shades depending on game size. Prolly 2 if it is 1vs 1... both on xits of his base (on most maps there is two entrances), I put them close enough to see what hes doing but far enough away a LITTLE bit otu of the base once he gets detection (for example human towers) shades are awsome.

- Gouls ur under estimated for early game rushing. With a DL they rape. With the DL and about 10 gouls I can take out almost anything considering they usually dont have range yet. I also set my rally point on my hero and make more gouls out of 2 crypts. This way I keep getting more gouls as I attack.

- ONE TIP FOR ANY RACE when attacking, with any chance you get you need to go back to ur base (click mini map) and spend money on units, tech, what ever. The more money you find urself with not being speant, the farther you are away from being fast enough of a player. With UD i never find myself with enough money which is why I expand so fast, and I still spend it right when I get it. Why wait and let your money sit there. (also kjeep in mind you need to pay attention to attacks too to make ur attack do its best, for example nuking and micro)

- ANOTHER TIP FOR ANY RACE - creep, creep, creep... although if im not mistaken you cant lvl up past lvl 5 or maybe its 4.. from creeping, so i creep unitll lvl 3 or 4 so i can get 2 lvl 2 spells for nuking and i like a hero with qan aura too. (For example if I had a dreadlord i would liek bats, or sleep is awsome but if noticed they awaken themself, and vampiric aura for melle to gain back heath when attacking.

- ANOTHER TIP FOR ANY RACE - Even if an attack does not beat somone, as long as it did an equal amount of damage to the person ans the damge you lost, it was worth it. EXPLANATION - if your army was 2,000 gold 500 lumber and theirs was more than that, and both got recked, they lost more monsy than you, therefor farther behind. then attack again asap and repeat. stay on the offensive again and again and again and you MOST LICKLY wont even need to go Defensive. With this strat if being UD you dont need to tech ur zigs. or orc or human towers wont be necesary, and night elf protectors. Waist of money if you dont need defense.

I hoped this helped and im interested in other ideas/dissagreements with this people have. I hope you took the time to read all of this I think its good stuff sorry it was so long lol. GL and HF with future WC gameplay.