UED a race? What you think... [Archive]

Valjean

02-17-2004, 10:39 AM

EDIT: I meant to post this in the Starcraft 2 section. Please move it there.

I remeber when BSTRhino quoted someone's idea of UED being a completly different race.

Anyway, I also saw the idea expressed at Blizzzforums.

But then one n00b replied,

"1. Blizzard has no time to a new race just fpr UED, besides, having 2 human races is dumb. THe UED supposingly stole the battlecruiser technology so they probably stole wratihs as well. Also duran joins up with them so he probably gave them some technology. As far as I know goliaths were invented by "Las corp Technology" LOL so I think Charon boosters are UED's own addition to it."

and so I replied,

"Hey, that gives me a great idea!! Let's just get rid of all the shitty Dark Templar units and abbilities like the corsair, dark achons, dark templar, mind control, infanant cloaking, etc.

I mean, why would two settlement of Protoss that really haven't had any contact for thousands of years have different technoligy?? Regardless of different envirorment, beliefs, traditions, and stuff. And now that they're with the Templar again, they might as well be the same, just like the UED is because they have access to Terran technoligy![/sarcasm]

Dude, it's the same race, but they've grown in two different enviorments, had different threats in there lives, and there billions of miles away from each other!! They my have access to the Terran technoligy, but I doubt the main fleet (keep in mind that the fleet you saw in BW is an exspaditionary fleet http://www.blizzforums.com/images/smilies/wink.gif) will want to use such alien technoligy. Maybe they'll use SOME things like Seige tanks and battle cruisers...but come on, they shouldn't be exact copies of the Terrans!!

About the blizzard not having enough time...I think once they announce they're making Starcraft 2, the fans are going to become as patiant as they ever have so it doesn't come out shitty and also so Blizzard can make the game much easier than with millions of fans screaming at them to hurry up."

so I ask you people of Warboards...what do you think? Is UED it's own race in starcraft or what?

BSTRhino

02-17-2004, 9:13 PM

Hey, that's actually quite a point. The Dark Templar would have different technology from the 'Light' Templar. Same with the UED and the Terrans.

Of course I agree with the fact that the UED should be a separate race.

Dark_Soul74

02-17-2004, 9:32 PM

Definetly! Perhaps a mod is in order....EXCEPT I CAN'T GET ICE TO USE MY ******* GRPS!

blkmage

02-17-2004, 10:06 PM

Anyone notice the only thing the UED brought with them that were their own were valks, medics, and charon boosters?

Scauthra

02-17-2004, 10:13 PM

Like I said in playable races in that other thread.
2 diffrent Human races with diffrent abilitys.

dunchy

02-18-2004, 12:30 AM

You know, I could see it, I really could.

Shinigami

02-18-2004, 1:46 AM

but I doubt the main fleet (keep in mind that the fleet you saw in BW is an exspaditionary fleet http://www.blizzforums.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)
Though an expeditionary fleet, what the UED sent to the Koprulu Sector is probably all they had at the time it set sail. The Earth and Her Colonies have been lving in relative peace for centuries. Remember, this is the year 2500 and the Earth has been united as one for quite awhile. This peace kept the need for military technology at an all-time low. Even the police force probably didn't use anything awe-inspiring. With two alien threats found that are believed to be headed towards Earth there was only one viable option: intercept the aliens and pacify them. Thus the United Earth Directorate Expeditionary Fleet was born from technology stolen from the K Sector Terrans (this shouldn't be too hard given that the UED must have contacts in the K Sector to even know about the alien races, and high ranking officers at that as they obviously knew of the threat far before any mere citizens did) and bent the large amount of resources towards the construction of a small fleet (with minor adjustments and additions) as well as the development of new technology. Rather, the technology is there but it must be used in a way that the military can gain from. Though behind as far as experience goes, the UED is centuries ahead of the K Sector Terrans, not to mention they have many more resources and can spend them all on their next fleet as they don't have to worry about battles within or around them. So expect the next fleet to contain futuristic designs (even for StarCraft) quite different from the K Sector Terrans to be contained within the next UED fleet, assuming the UED comes back in StarCraft II (which I would be aghast if it did not).

I'm sorry for any typos or incoherent sentences. I'm tired and this is pure, unrefined thought (well, it's been on my mind before but it's the first time I've actually spoken of it in ages so the organization is poor if there even is any).

Schwitzer

02-18-2004, 7:36 AM

Definately, Shinigami.

I believe that in the sequel the different factions will need to be defined uniquely from others of the same race.

As for the question about them being a playable race; in my opinion it would be better to have the UED as a playable race instead of the original Terrans (although I don't believe the Terrans should be gotten rid of entirely). This is because, as stated, the UED has more resources at their disposal to build new or improved war machines.

Battlecruiser

02-19-2004, 9:48 PM

UED should be a separate race.

RelinaIonna

02-25-2004, 2:57 PM

Shinigami

02-25-2004, 8:09 PM

Though I have no idea how it could work out and am not in the mood to think about this I'll just toss out something that's been on my mind.

Each Zerg brood has a special purpose. Hell, every tribe/brood/squadron in each race and faction has a more or less unique purpose. It might be interesting to expand upon this... I have no idea how it could be implimented in multiplayer (maybe it would just be kept in the campaign), but taking advantage of these different purposes might be a good idea. Of course, this might not work out if you stil remained as one leader in control of a single group, but as I said before I'm just tossing this out.

Edit: This seemed a lot more on topic when I was writing the post as compared to reading it in context to this thread.

LoneWolf

02-27-2004, 11:07 PM

Hm... actually I agree with Shinigami. My ideas for a new UED would have been the same. Obviously more men from Earth would be needed to back up the forces that take over, you can't trust those rogues out there to be reliable. So send a new fleet, however perhaps 10-15 years later. In this time they could have designed entirely new stuff with their own, superior technology.

Scauthra

02-28-2004, 1:00 AM

Lets just turn SC2 into a game like Rise of Nations or C&C. A bunch of diffrent factions with a few distinct units for each.

UED/Terran/Rebels
Zerg/Chosen Ones
Protoss/Dark Templar
Xel'Naga
Hybrids.

Its perfect ^^

Shinigami

02-28-2004, 2:52 AM

Though I considered it for a time I've decided to go against the idea of having a core set of units for each race and each faction having certain unique units. I just can't say that I like the idea, not to mention there are so many chances to go against this. You have the UED who are so different from the K Sector Terrans. Now that they're undoubtedly advancing their military technology they will be far different fromt the Koprulu Terrans. The commercial technology that has been developing over the centuries will be sued in machines of war and as the commercial technology for the UED is so drastically different from the purely military research in the Koprulu Sector, we're looking at two distinctly different factions.

I would expain the differences between the High Templar and the Dark Templar as well as for Kerrigan's brood and Daggoth's brood but I'm too tired. I'll ellaborate tomorrow.

blkmage

02-28-2004, 8:37 AM

Well, now the Protoss have joined again, so their tech will be developing together.

I thought the Daggoth died? If not, then Kerrigan would have taken control of all the Zerg by now?

Shinigami

02-28-2004, 7:08 PM

Well, now the Protoss have joined again, so their tech will be developing together.
Of course, but if they formally combine in StarCraft II then Blizzard could bring in a whole mess of new units constructed by the Dark Templar. I have a hard time believing and in all the time that the two factions of the Protoss have been split the Dark Templar only have three new units (Dark Templar, Dark Archons, Corsairs).

I thought the Daggoth died? If not, then Kerrigan would have taken control of all the Zerg by now?
There have been a lot of debates over that. Whether or not they have been settled or not I'm not sure, but I'm partial to him being alive. And if he is, then he wil have taken his brood and left leaving Kerrigan with the rest of the Zerg Swarm.

Now, continuing from my last post... I just covered the Protoss briefly above (and that's all I was going to say anyway), so not onto a quick blurb for the Zerg,

Daggoth is a Cerebrate and Kerrigan is not. She was brought into the Swarm recently and as she is part Terran her view on the future Zerg is very different from Daggoth. I'm sure Daggoth got a fair share of the implimentations he wanted in the Swarm but now with his own brood to control however he wants we could see some very interesting new units from him. And with Kerrigan's mixture of Zerg and Terran she will have some new additions for the Swarm undoubtedly.

Fenix-MSG

03-01-2004, 6:47 PM

Great Idea, why not even have different zerg tech since the overmind's gone and the swarms divided they may have evolved in different directions. Plus Dark Templar and Light Templar already have kinda seperate technology in BW, as a stated by BSTRhino.

Im all for two human races, it would be great. Although i am against having two zerg races. They may end up evolving differently, but in the small time between BW and SCII. My guess would be that the story is not spread out that far, and evolving takes thousands of years. Yes they Dark and Light Templar do have seperae technology, but i thought they always have, isn't that why the Dark Templar were banished from Auir?

Valjean

03-01-2004, 6:56 PM

dark templar were banished because they would not adobt the new religion created by the mistic known today as Khas. This religion was called the Khala, the path to ascension.

oh, and who the hell added another option to my poll?!

Shinigami

03-02-2004, 1:16 AM

but in the small time between BW and SCII. My guess would be that the story is not spread out that far, and evolving takes thousands of years.
Lurkers and Devourers were introduced in StarCraft as well as a few new upgrades and it took place immediately after StarCraft. I don't see how it would be hard for Kerrigan to make a prominent effect on the Swarm in a short period of time, not to mention Daggoth. He's been gone for awhile and could easily have developed a few new breeds by now. And, speaking in purely real-world terms, Blizzard cannot get away with adding no new Zerg units.

but i thought they always have, isn't that why the Dark Templar were banished from Auir?
Adun was sent by the Conclave to destroy the rogue tribes because they refused to submit to the Conclave, thinking the Conclave's own agenda would be the doom of the Protoss race. Finding himself unable to kill his brethren, Adun attempted to teach them to harness their psychic abilities. He failed and the Dark Templar unintentionally unleashed raging psionic storms across all of Auir. The Conclave was taken aback by Adun's insubordination but couldn't punish him without admitting that there were rogue Protoss, so they banished Adun and the rogues from Auir forever.

arcalite

03-03-2004, 6:03 PM

Two races, thats a lot of new units though. Because your going to have to make a bunch of new human differants, but they have to be differant than the K Sector Humans. Or else you could just keep one race of humans because they already have the same units. They couldn't just all of a suddenly, have a whole new group of units and dropping all the old ones. I like the idea, but their has to be alot to happen to make it good.

kongurous

03-05-2004, 5:58 PM

the UED would kick ass as a race..... who could possibly replace Stukov and Dugal, though? they pretty much made themselves the king bastards of the universe(much like Kerrigan being the queen bitch of the universe) and Dugal was a nice admiral..... if only the UED, Sons of Korhal, and Raynor's soldiers could play nicely with each other.... it would be like seeing a Hydralisk and a Zealot making peace with eachother..... he he

Valjean

03-05-2004, 6:11 PM

Stukov is dead, killed by Duran and Dugal killed himself.

=P

kongurous

03-05-2004, 6:18 PM

i know Dugal and Stukov are dead, hence me saying, "But who could replace Stukov and Dugal?" key word:replace

RelinaIonna

03-08-2004, 3:25 PM

Heres a thought, we never realy see Dugal blow his brains out, just the gun shot. I always thought that maybe an officer came in at that exact moment and pushed the gun away from Dugal's head as a new plot twist. So maybe he pops up as some infested slave or escapes in hibernation version of the space caskets. I mean that would be interesting if who ever you were playing as was in a tight spot and Dugal showed up al the last moment, to save you or make your life that much harder.

Shinigami

03-08-2004, 6:28 PM

Regardless of wether or not DuGalle committed suicide is of no importance. It is stated in the epilogue that the remainder of the UED Expeditionary Fleet was annihilated, so suicide or not DuGalle is dead.

RelinaIonna

03-09-2004, 1:58 PM

Oh lighten up!:cool:

blkmage

03-09-2004, 6:16 PM

Note that DuGalle and Stukov were only Admiral and Vice Admiral of the Expeditionary Fleet.

But why would the UED return to the Koprulu Sector? There'd be no real reason to return, and after that defeat, they should be more concentrated in building up a solid defence.

A possibility could be that Earth will be involved somehow. Maybe it's one of the worlds the hybrids are seeded?

Shinigami

03-09-2004, 6:24 PM

Note that DuGalle and Stukov were only Admiral and Vice Admiral of the Expeditionary Fleet.
Yes, but they were two of the best the UED had.

But why would the UED return to the Koprulu Sector? There'd be no real reason to return, and after that defeat, they should be more concentrated in building up a solid defence.
The UED suspected and still suspects that the Zerg intend to attack Earth. Despite the Overmind's demise, the Zerg still have a leader and as far as the UED knows Kerrigan's intentions are the same as the Overmind's supposed intentions. I'm sure the UED has already begun constructing defenses against this menace, but considering how large the empire is I'm sure they would have more than enough resources to build another fleet simultaneously. Plus, the UED invested a substantial sum of money into outfitting that fleet, I'm sure, not to mention if such a small force could nearly pacify the sector than a fleet two or three times as large would have no problem. The Zerg has been set back and will struggle with the other two races in the sector for awhile, buying the UED enough time to do more than up the size of their fleet. They'll be able to put their technological advancements to use in weapons of war and outfit a fleet with the best equipment they can make. Money is not an issue when it comes to protecting your race from two alien menaces.

Coolness53

03-09-2004, 8:10 PM

The only flaw I see in the UED being a different race is there going to have some of the same stuff. I dont think they should because they werent even seperated for very long unless SCII takes place way after. That is the only way I see it happening. I dont think there going to split up every race into new different races. It would make the game to weird like that. I think they should do new units yes but I dont think the UED should be its own race.

Shinigami

03-09-2004, 8:53 PM

I dont think they should because they werent even seperated for very long unless SCII takes place way after.
In my books, 400+ years is a long time. Thogh the UED only showed up in Brood War, they had been developing independently of the Terrans in the Koprulu Sector for around four centuries.

cpt.beefhart

03-10-2004, 10:32 AM

In my books, 400+ years is a long time. Thogh the UED only showed up in Brood War, they had been developing independently of the Terrans in the Koprulu Sector for around four centuries.

indeed, maybe earth is gone and were closer then before or were everwhere in the koprulu sector, have had seperate conflicts with other races (perhaps Xel'nageion) and had to develop our armys/tactics in a different way.

Mechs and some great AI machines would be great for the UED imo.

blkmage

03-10-2004, 11:05 AM

I think he means Earth and those in the Koprulu Sector have been developing separately for 400+ years before Brood War, not after.

Earth is definitely still around at the end of BW.

dunchy

03-10-2004, 11:12 AM

Stukov is dead, killed by Duran and Dugal killed himself.

=P

Stukov ain't dead silly ;) Have any of you played the extra missions from both the N64 and the Blizzard custom extra maps released?

cpt.beefhart

03-10-2004, 12:55 PM

I think he means Earth and those in the Koprulu Sector have been developing separately for 400+ years before Brood War, not after.

Earth is definitely still around at the end of BW.
thats wat i said they developed different technologys cos of the previous wars they had the UED would be old in comparison to the technology of earthlings due to the time difference.

earth still around, how can you be definite about it?

the UED has been out of contact for a long time.

blkmage

03-10-2004, 4:03 PM

Because at the end of BW, the narrative stated that the UED didn't hear from the expeditionary fleet again. Earth would have to be around in order for them to attempt to contact the fleet again.

Shinigami

03-10-2004, 6:58 PM

the UED has been out of contact for a long time.
The fleet was constructed and sent to the Koprulu after the Zerg infested Chau Sara, Mar Sara and after the Protoss obliterated the surface of Chau Sara. The Expeditionary Fleet was away from the UED for aproximately the beginning of StarCraft to the end of Brood War.

cpt.beefhart

03-11-2004, 8:57 AM

Because at the end of BW, the narrative stated that the UED didn't hear from the expeditionary fleet again. Earth would have to be around in order for them to attempt to contact the fleet again.
ahh :)

Lord_Sirian

04-05-2004, 2:25 AM

Weren't the K sector Terrans supposed to be full of implants that enhanced them? Yet the UED marines, supposedley purified of any of these have exactly the same attributes as the K sector ones. IMO, if they do make UED a race, they should be more true to the storyline.

Ole-The-Murder

04-05-2004, 12:00 PM

I have no idea why UED was just like terrans when they first came from Earth to there..just like they came, and bang! Had exactly same technology as them. Strange.

RelinaIonna

04-05-2004, 1:20 PM

Because making sperate technology beyond the few new units, would not the BW plan. Its would be like adding a fourth race.

MrMer

04-06-2004, 3:49 PM

Sence the UED expeditionary fleet never returned, the UED would have to build up from scratch again, since they would have lost any technology that they stole.

Seal

04-06-2004, 4:21 PM

They could have sent the blueprints back to Earth when they got them. This way they didn't lose the technology.

ZergTyrant

04-08-2004, 1:59 PM

Well pretty much the entire UED fleet was slaughtered by Kerrigan so I think there shouldnt be UED race...they're terran.

Now, on the other hand, wut if there was a scantid race? lol
THAT WOULD BE COOL

RelinaIonna

04-08-2004, 2:51 PM

Mmm, all the critters of SC are really one race and their back for revenge!! Suicide Nuke Attack!!

Valjean

04-08-2004, 4:51 PM

umm...what the hell? O_o;;

ZergTyrant

04-09-2004, 1:52 AM

All the critters are mad as hell for all the sensless killing on all of the SC maps all over b-net.

OMG THEY JUST KILLED JIMMY!!!!

you bastards!!!!!

help! they are swarmin all over meeeeeeeeeeeee;jlkk;jdfa;dslfasd.................. ............................................
......dd..............dd.dddd...

Duddits

04-09-2004, 9:28 AM

What an odd new member we have! Almost lke Magmaniac when he just signed up. Please, please dear ZergT, don't become him!!

I don't think we really should seperate the way the races are now. It should stick to Terran, Zerg, and Protoss, plus the Xel and maybe something that appears in the Blizzard cesspool.

ZergTyrant

04-09-2004, 1:44 PM

Well srry, dont know who he is but ill try not to be like him.

Its just every time a kill a scantid or a ursadon....i get a feeling theyre gonna get payback sumday for all the useless killin....

-shudder-

Killak420

07-01-2004, 12:25 PM

BAD_BOB

07-01-2004, 4:46 PM

*Ya i also think that making the UED a whole new race would be cool.
(but hard to do,I think our buddies at blizzard can pull it off though)

*Also since there're two terran races (if we do what i suggested) then we need two of every race. Like...

*for protoss they SHOULD make the DTs a whole new race, and for zerg they should make kerrigan's brood the infested brood.

*Getting deeper into kerrigan's brood, the army will be made up of (some) basic zerg units and a lot of infested protoss and terran :)

*And they should give all the races new units

(sorry i kinda trailed of from the main topic of this thread but i wanted to express a couple things i wanted in SC2 :D)

Giggilyomeromicon

07-01-2004, 5:20 PM

ha i cant vote... cus in the manual for BW its says that the the golieth up was from earth! but it would be cool if the UED was like part terran part bad ass super advanced race...but then again terra is just another name for earth and that makes terran earthlings....thus we make 2 new races the terran dominian that is efective against the zirg and toss and we make a UED that is kinda good at killen terran and zirg but is better at killen terran but they are like a hybrid terran races

UED77

07-01-2004, 6:21 PM

There are a two possible ways I can imagine to differentiate the UED from the Terran Dominion.

One -- which most of here seem to be the advocates of -- is designing a competely new race for the UED. This would be highly logical, since as some of you wrote, the UED and Dominion technology has been separated for almost 250 years. This sounds like a rightful claim... but consider these:
- Wouldn't these two races be too similar?
- Should both of these be in multiplayer?

Also, some of you mentioned that it's strange how the UED in Brood War had the same technology as the Koprulu-Sector Terrans. I admit, there was a time when myself as well found that puzzling too. Yet, think about how the Exiles, after awakening from the hybernation, developed all this technology? If you read the SC manual carefully, it tells you that the Exiles who landed on Tarsonis with the ship Naggflar were able to access the ship's computer, ATLAS. So probably that's where they got the blueprints from, which were developed by the UPL (UED).

But there is a second option. Anybody here have WarCraft III?

I'm sure you remember how the high elves of Quel'Thalas, against whom you fought in the Reign of Chaos Undead Campaign. They were essentially human, but they trained archers instead of riflemen and dragonhawks, which were not available elsewhere in RoC.
Also, the demon-worshipping renegade orcs who did not follow Thrall to Kalimdor - they trained warlocks instead of shamans, and ogres and zeppelins. Much like the orcs of WarCraft II.
So anyways, the UED could be a campaign-only race, resembling the humans, but different in some aspects. It doesn't have to be only units, it could be upgrades, resource collection, or anything else as well.
Likewise, StarCraft 2 might differentiate between several different factions within each race. Examples could be the UED, Dominion, Kel-Morian Combine and the Umjoan Protectorate for Terran, the different zerg broods and the High/Dark Protoss.

I can even imagine ALL these faction slightly differring from the multiplayer "template" race. If that were the case, multiplayer would provide an entirely different experience compared to single player.

UED77

Darkslayer633

07-02-2004, 1:17 AM

i dunno the races are quite fine in starcraft now, but i could see another human race but not UED just somweting different all together

GiaDragoness

07-09-2004, 8:27 PM

No, simply no. The UED should'nt be a new race, they are just like, another faction. If the UED does become a new race, you might as well make the dark templar and normal protoss sepparate races. They are both terran, They both have pretty much the same damn stuff, dont make a jim raynor out of a marine here, so to speak.

:smash: Smashy Smashy! :smash:

singo

07-12-2004, 5:24 PM

seperate race,

they should have several hundred years of tech advantage due to the fact that the K-sector types had to rebuild a society from scratch.

the UED would need a huge fleet to patrol its vast interstellar borders against just such an event as happened in SC (alien war encroaching on human space)

so, i believe a small patrol fleet found the events in SC, sent word, linked up with Du-Galles fleet, and proceeded to give the sector a good shafting before gettin screwed over by all 3 other races.

and a question, cut and pasted from another thread..........

Battlecruisers..........the word battlecruiser was given to a new type of fast, Medium armed, LIGHTLY ARMOURED warship.

i would like to see a full blown Dreadnought-class type starship for the UED

Armour 15, 150 damage per turret (3 of), double yamato cannon, 1500HP...........

Huge naval battles anyone?

that would be nice.

Giggilyomeromicon

07-14-2004, 9:28 AM

i want to see a super badass UED marine and it would be all like whateva i kill 2 zirglings before ill die! unlike some marines that kill one and die. also about the drednoght thing that wouldent be as cool as a battleship cus that would just rock.

singo

07-15-2004, 11:07 AM

. also about the drednoght thing that wouldent be as cool as a battleship cus that would just rock.
the "dreadnought" was the name assigned to the first "true" battleship (with huge 15" guns)

so a dreadnought class ship is essentially a superbattleship.

Giggilyomeromicon

07-17-2004, 4:56 PM

oh how handy

singo

07-18-2004, 3:11 PM

indeed :D

range 15000 yds, elevation 12 degrees........

FIRE!!

Killak420

07-21-2004, 8:41 AM

I think that the UED should be a playable race and they sould be alot more advanced than the Terran from K-Sector.
Also they should have alot of Robots and Machines fighting there battles like different Mechs and Bigger and Faster Tanks how about a hover tank that would be cool and a unmaned Fighter bomber and Cyborg Marines and normal human Marines and Apache Hellicopters and anti tank rockets on the Apaches and Battle cruisers with nukes on them and those tank things that we have now that we fight in the golf war with that shoots out about 100 rockets per minute that would be cool and how about a Sniper guy and a Marine with a Rocket launcher that would be sweet and a robotic Medic. Ok thats it for now.

Kamikaze_Chicken

07-22-2004, 4:53 AM

no no no no no no no no no no
no more races
really there is enough as there is
if anything it should just be more creative storylines and the intro 2 new units and heros etc but no new races

Killak420

07-22-2004, 12:59 PM

Though an expeditionary fleet, what the UED sent to the Koprulu Sector is probably all they had at the time it set sail. The Earth and Her Colonies have been lving in relative peace for centuries. Remember, this is the year 2500 and the Earth has been united as one for quite awhile. This peace kept the need for military technology at an all-time low. Even the police force probably didn't use anything awe-inspiring. With two alien threats found that are believed to be headed towards Earth there was only one viable option: intercept the aliens and pacify them. Thus the United Earth Directorate Expeditionary Fleet was born from technology stolen from the K Sector Terrans (this shouldn't be too hard given that the UED must have contacts in the K Sector to even know about the alien races, and high ranking officers at that as they obviously knew of the threat far before any mere citizens did) and bent the large amount of resources towards the construction of a small fleet (with minor adjustments and additions) as well as the development of new technology. Rather, the technology is there but it must be used in a way that the military can gain from. Though behind as far as experience goes, the UED is centuries ahead of the K Sector Terrans, not to mention they have many more resources and can spend them all on their next fleet as they don't have to worry about battles within or around them. So expect the next fleet to contain futuristic designs (even for StarCraft) quite different from the K Sector Terrans to be contained within the next UED fleet, assuming the UED comes back in StarCraft II (which I would be aghast if it did not).

I'm sorry for any typos or incoherent sentences. I'm tired and this is pure, unrefined thought (well, it's been on my mind before but it's the first time I've actually spoken of it in ages so the organization is poor if there even is any).

Thats BullSH*T the UED would have a more advanced Military because in order for humans to be at peace with them selves there are only to ways that can happen.
1. God comes again and says you bastards better unit or eles.
2. The use of extreme military force to surprese the governments and the people of the world.
And to keep peace you need to have a military and plus there is always the threat of comets and the fact that one day the terran from K-sector will come back and try to invade.
The point is that mankind will always be at war and getting rid of all of our military arms is just not going to f*cking happen.

Brainsucker

07-23-2004, 2:32 AM

UED should a new race !!!! But it's all right if not

UnHoly-Assassin

07-26-2004, 5:06 PM

AcidicQuestion

07-28-2004, 1:05 PM

UED and the folks that came in those ships should be quite the same...Unlike the two Protoss factions the UED and the Sons of Khorhal were not beliving in two different thing (the dark power and the light that the conclave stood for). And it probably took quite a time before UED reached the colonists so they have been at the same level technologically seen in time... Meaning that the folks back at earth probably were far more advanced than UED when UED arrived at the colonists...So until the races decides to go to the earth and wage war there...The UED would be quite the same as the colonists with minor changes as medics and valkyries...And the colonists got that afterwards too...

Akuma

07-28-2004, 2:47 PM

The Directorate won't be a new faction: their forces in Koprulu were eliminated totally after Omega. Nothing ever got back to Earth, not even a efeat message. For all Earth knows, the UED forces are partying with their pet Overmind even now.

singo

07-28-2004, 3:47 PM

What about Du-Galles message to his wife in the final cut-scene.
As an admiral he will also have sent a message to Directorate Command the moment control of the overmind was lost. several missions before the one in which the combined fleets were beaten off.

Akuma

07-28-2004, 9:34 PM

RelinaIonna

07-29-2004, 12:13 AM

If the UED is a different race, why can't the Dark Templar or Kerrigan's Brood be different races from the Conclave and Overmind's Brood? They are separate, and do have different technology. However the name "Terrans" isn't exactly "Confederates", and Terran implies all of humans. The confederates are still humans, are they not?

You can merge technology and still call them one race. Look at our world, only the US had atomic weapons before, now everybody does! Does that mean everybody's the US?Bah they woiuldn't have nukes if they didn't beat germany and bribe their scientists.
His last message to his wife was taped. This tape was located aboard the Aleksander, located amongst the remnants of the UED fleet, which shortly after the final battle was located by a Zerg swarm and eradicated. Thereby, she didn't get no tape.It was transmitted win who knows what else back to Earth. It will take time to get there and may not make it but it was sent.

Akuma

07-29-2004, 1:32 PM

We have no evidence of transmission, only composition. It will take a long time for any signal to return top Earth at anyrate, and a fair amount of time for Earth to do anything about it. This assumes that they were in range to dispatch any signals at all. After all, Koprulu is a LOOONG way from Earth.

DS-Shadow

07-29-2004, 2:37 PM

We can assume from the UED news report that DuGalle would not report failure because

a)The UED propaganda machine would never allow it;
b) Up until the end, he still believed he had a chance of at least partially fulfilling his mission.

His last message to his wife was taped. This tape was located aboard the Aleksander, located amongst the remnants of the UED fleet, which shortly after the final battle was located by a Zerg swarm and eradicated. Thereby, she didn't get no tape.

If you look closely into the cut scene you can see he is sending an email from his computer. The Voice is reflecting what he wrote as several frames show he is not moving his lips.

After watching it a few times the quote 'The news of our defeat' sugested that DuGalle knew or assumed that the news of the defeat would reach the earth,so people would know the truth. I share the same views that the propaganda machine wouldn't alow the news to spread as they faked Aixis death to make it seem heroic. The Station most prob would be controled by the government anyway =P

ha i cant vote... cus in the manual for BW its says that the the golieth up was from earth! but it would be cool if the UED was like part terran part bad ass super advanced race...but then again terra is just another name for earth and that makes terran earthlings....thus we make 2 new races the terran dominian that is efective against the zirg and toss and we make a UED that is kinda good at killen terran and zirg but is better at killen terran but they are like a hybrid terran races

The Goliath was created by the kel-morian combine to counter confederate wraiths and marines in the guild wars. The blueprints were stolen by spies and soon because mass produced

Original_JaminGrit

08-05-2004, 1:05 AM

No, simply no. The UED should'nt be a new race, they are just like, another faction.
If the UED is a different race, why can't the Dark Templar or Kerrigan's Brood be different races from the Conclave and Overmind's Brood
I think the UED should be another race. Even if most of their units would be the same. Though, I bet the nice folks at blizzard could try to get a bit more creative and create new and different units for both K-sector Terrans and the UED.

But why stop there? I would really like the idea of having whole new aspects to each race. Funny how we started talking about the UED vs. The Terrans, and then other people found parrallels in other races, like high- vs. dark templar, or Kerrigan's Brood(s?) vs. the rest of the swarm. Each of these wouldn't really be considered different races, but different factions, or sub-races.

Starting with the UED vs. the Terrans. I agree that the word "Terran" is a derivitave of a word meaning "Earth", but it could just mean that they're _from_ earth. 400 years would be about 5 or 6 generations of humans, so I bet it's possible that there would be some biological differences between K-sector "terrans" and humans from earth. Also, the terrans, banished for implants and genetically altering themselves (I think that's how the story goes), would make themselves much physically stronger than humans, and would have more knowledge about K-sector than humans. While on the other hand, the terrans _did_ have to rebuild their own society, giving the earth-based humans a significant technological advantage. So the real difference between terrans and humans is that terrans are stronger and humans are smarter.

As for factions in other races, the differences probably couldn't be as profound. It would just be a matter of using different units. Maybe Kerrigan's brood could have more human-like units (maybe even Kerrigan clones), and the swarm would have even more monster-like units. And also, the Protoss High Templar side could just have their respective units while the dark protoss have theirs.

While this is really fun to talk about, I wonder what the implications on in-game strategy these ideas would have. Maybe it would be possible to share technology of your faction with that of another faction of the same race, in a multi-player game. Maybe you could play with your own customized faction.

I dunno. This is my first post. It was reading this thread alone that made me want to register.

Tenebrae

08-05-2004, 5:27 AM

My idea on what will happen reguarding the Terran and the UED in SCII is that they will merge and become one. Somthing will happen to allow the Terran's access to Earth and vise versa on a regular basis. And so tech. would be exchanged along with resorces making them one race again. The new tech would make them a almost compleatly new race.

Lethas_the_Bold

08-05-2004, 3:26 PM

I dunno, i don't like this idea. It kinda says scrap continuity, scrap the old story line. But if u have UED (read Earth) being accessed and conquered by the Zerg u would effectively eliminate them from the story.

Terrans could then salvage tech changing their nature by acquiring more advanced tech.

Only one plot problem - how to get the war from Koprulu to Earth.

UnHoly-Assassin

08-06-2004, 2:06 PM

all in all, in the eye of the beholder, human is human.

Samir_Duran

08-07-2004, 5:00 AM

What i think about this? it has a technology diffrent from the Terran technology, but similar enough... that should be one Race, divided into Factions... you know... in the batlle mode of multiplayer you should chose the side lik:
RACE:
TERRAN
FACTION: [ my propositions]
SONS OF KORCHAL [ early faction]
TERRAN DOMINION [ older Faction]
Umojan Protectorate
Kel Morian Combine
United Earth Directorate
CONFEDERATION [ can't fight witch Domionion or UED]
that is the same with PRottoss and with Zerg...

singo

08-07-2004, 6:36 AM

Should kerrigans broods be seperate from the overminds broods?

the overmind is DEAD remember?

Should the light and dark templar be seperate?

why not?, although the Dark templar never really had a society as such having to hide from their brethren to avoid persecution and therefor should have less units but lots of them cloakable.

UED, separate....of course

Original_JaminGrit

08-08-2004, 11:43 PM

I will take a chance to react to some of your posts, and then explain how the current races could be split up.

However, it is up to BLIZZARD if they want to add the Xel'Naga in. After all, revealing them will ruin their mysterious reputation and one major suspense of the plot would be halted prematurely.

I agree. I'd be happy if I didn't see the Xel'Naga at all, it would be cool to just have keep them in the past. If their designs in the past only indirectly affected the future, that would be cool. They would be able to keep their mysterious quality if the campaigns unearthed more secrets about them, without actually meeting them. Though, if they are present in the campaign, they may only be there in the form of hero units, and not an actual race. They were supposedly extinct, or gone into hiding, so if there were any still alive there may only be a few.

I don't think we can make a race that is inherently superior, playable. I.e. the zerg/protoss hybrids are given as superior to any other race in SC and BW. If Blizzard were to make the hybrids a playable race, they would, as per the original storyline, whoop everybodys asses automatically.

I agree. If the hybrids have the zergs biological strengths and the protoss' superior intelligence/tech/psi powers, then they would be totally unbalanced as a playable race. I like that idea about the hybrids being screwed up somehow and have some major disadvantage that does make them balanced, too.

As for any other possible races, I have no clue as to what they could be. I fully support the idea of dividing each of the current three races in two.

Terran => UED Humans and K-Sector Terrans
The K-Sector Terrans have their biological implants and genetic mods, that's why they were exiled from Earth, remember? They would have more experience in dealing with K-Sector problems, but they would also have had to build their own society from scratch, so the UED would be significantly more advanced than them, technologically. So, the terrans may be physically stronger and with psi powers (Ghosts have psi powers similar to protoss) and know more about protoss and zerg, but the humans would have likely have more science. It would probably be easy enough for the humans to learn more about the terrans and the K-sector, especially from what the UED expeditionary fleet sent back before they were killed.

Zerg => Kerrigans Swarm and the Original Swarm
It's hard to come up with a good explanation for this, but here's mine; the Cerebrates of the original swarm would undoubtedly try to reincarnate the overmind once more. Because Kerrigan's Zerg would dominate K-Sector (and according to Blizzard, SCII does take place in the more-distant future after BW, so they would likely have dominated the K-sector for some time), assimilating useful species it may find into their broods. This would give them an advantage over the original swarms, right? This may not have great implications for strategy, but I'll leave it to someone else to figure out what the original broods could have that Kerrigan's don't, to balance them out.

Protoss => High Templar and Dark Templar
For some people, this is a given, for others, both protoss should be divided into two races. I'm not sure where I stand, myself. Since it seems like the "light" and dark protoss are mixing together, they maight be considered a whole race. But, if in the campaigns of SCII something drives them apart again, they really would be better as two different races. As long as the two factions work together, they would be one race, but I could see a division between them. There will still be the light templars that won't want to work alongside dark templars, and vice versa; we've seen this happen already in BW, and there's no reason it can't happen again. So, I'll leave that open, yet possible. The high templars would have their respective powers plus technology, while the

Anyways, that's my ideas. By the way, the idea about making Sons of Korhal another terran faction might be stretching it, since they would have the same technology as the other terrans. Maybe just dividing each race into two only would make sense. This will probably be my last post on the subject, since I talk about it so much.

UnHoly-Assassin

08-09-2004, 3:45 PM

come to think of it, one of each subcategory you listed above is gone, well at least from brood war (I dont know about SCII, if there will be one). The UED has already been driven from the K-Sector, the Overmind "Lays dead and trampled beneath the ashes of Char", and the High Templars are already gone because they are, or WERE, with the conclave on Aiur. The survivors are now technically Dark Templars now. Hmm...coincedece?

Original_JaminGrit

08-09-2004, 9:40 PM

come to think of it, one of each subcategory you listed above is goneWell, look at what you made me do. You made me post again and therefore become a liarafter saying I wouldn't post on this subject again.

The UED has already been driven from the K-Sectornumber A, the UED's expeditionary force was destroyed. The term "expeditionary", to me, implies that it was only meant to evaluate and take advantage of whatever situation they found in Kroplu Sector. That fleet, after gaining power and quite a few victories over the overmind and over Mengsk, was destroyed by Kerrigan. Everyone who's played BroodWar knows that. Maybe it's more a matter of opinion, but it's my opinion that the UED on Earth would have gotten a stronger force ready and waiting and maybe already launched it just as the expeditionary force was defeated.

As a Canadian, I've always taken a notice in futuristic, sci-fi stories and movies that allude to an all-encompassing government with the word "United" in it, as if the United States had realized it's goal of manifest destiny and taken over the whole planet and off-planet colonies. The United Earth Directorate, formerly known as the United Powers League, seems to be a parallel of this story idea. And I'm guessing that DuGalle and Stukov were of French and Russian descent, respectively, and that makes it even more interesting. But I digress.

The UED is not stupid. Even read the little book in the disc case of BroodWar, and look at the short story "The Terminal Agenda" to read about the Earth "and her sister worlds" 's reaction to when the terrans discovered the zerg and protoss. If the UED is driven out of K-Sector, they're not going to leave it alone and it gets better on it's own.

So yeah, they'd likely be in Starcraft II... though you said your comments, UnHoly Assasin, only really reffered to Broodwar... everything I'm talking about is more about the future, Starcraft II, so you never really said the return of the UED was impossible... Dammit!

the Overmind "Lays dead and trampled beneath the ashes of Char"Like I already said, there's no reason why some of the original cerebrates could make a new overmind. And unless you believe the theory that Duran is the manifestation of the first Overmind and will abandon the Swarm if he creates the Hybrids, or even if you do, there could always be a couple more cerebrates that would form a new overmind.

the High Templars are already gone because they are, or WERE, with the conclave on Aiur. The survivors are now technically Dark Templars nowHmm, good point. It would make sense that the few high templars and the dark templars would merge their technologies and powers to create a whole new "Gray" Templar race. So it's also possible that both and neither of those two races still exist. A permanetly cloaked High Templar with Warp blades does seem pretty cool. Though, I don't think there really are so few High Templars still on Shakuras. Some properties of their powers may make the theory of "Gray Templar" powers impossible (Unless you think Tassadar could have been considered a gray templar). Or, some High Templars may choose to stay "pure". And if you have purists, you'd likely have dissidents that resent their opposites, even after the uprising of high templar in the BroodWar Protoss campaign. Anyways, my point is that there could be another uprising, either of the Dark Templar of High Templar sides could decide to abandon their new alliance.

This is all my ideas, they are all just possibilities. But each of the above potential factions are all but impossible. Maybe unlikely, but not impossible. Again, having "The Sons of Korhal" or the "Gray Templar" as seperate factions may be a bit of a stretch, but again, not impossible.

These are my ideas. Please please don't right out shoot them down and say they are impossible, because that would make you a jack-ass. This is my last post on the subject, and this time I mean it, but I do look forward to reading your reactions.

singo

08-10-2004, 9:14 AM

UnHoly-Assassin

08-10-2004, 7:07 PM

Original_JaminGrit might get pissed about this and the above, but...

I just really wrote that thing in the scenario in which it is not SC2 but brood war but I still see your point. Those are all maybe's, but possible. Who knows? maybe in SC2 the three races will just blow up the whole damn sector and everything with it. Only the terrans will be left because they are the only one of the 3 races which reside outside the sector. It's possible.

subcategories will be okay, it'll just be more like "Age Of Empires" instead of "StarCraft". And they terrans can't be different races because as I posted before, "humans are humans".

I'm not trying to discredit or impugn you or anything, so u dont need to explode replying.

DS-Shadow

08-11-2004, 2:51 PM

arnt the sons of korhal now the Dominion?

and i think the Dark Templar have not enough of a society to go it alone, they have been hiding for too long to have built up true armies and so would be better off amalgamated into the protoss race as a whole.

and for there to be different zerg factions there would need to be a valid way for more cerebrates to be formed as as far as i remember in the BW campaigns kerrigan says that "daggoth and the surviving cerebrates" merged into the new overmind - suggesting the cerebrate (you) is the last one.

Yes

Zeratul now commands both the light templar and ALL the Dark templar as Matriark declared him leader. Zeratul would most likely (after joining Artanis) join the shards together.

Rewatch that briefing (I rewatched 5 times) it doesn't say that daggoth merges into the new overmind, it just says "Many of the zerg cerebrates, commanded by Daggoth Merged into a new overmind". Daggoth is still alive, and has a few cerebrates left as you were one of the renegade cerebrates kerigan enslaved. Also an overmind can create new cerebrates, as shown in the last of the terran missions (3 cerebrates assisted the overmind).

UnHoly-Assassin

08-11-2004, 3:17 PM

just because they CAN get another overmind does not mean they will suceed. making another overmind is sure to be knowen by someone else, and most probrably will get destroyed.

Cross_Fire

08-11-2004, 7:35 PM

I think that the UED should be its own race. With its own totally different units, like...

Terran: Marine

UED: Shotgun Marine

You know what would really be funny? If SCII wasnt a sequal! (Dun Dun Dun DA:o )

You know like a parallel reality. Kinda like what they did with the last CC games.:shiftyl:

Tenebrae

08-12-2004, 4:29 AM

Alright, I'll start off with the Zerg comment about all the Overmind's cerebrates being destroyed. As stated, only a few merged to become the new Overmind. This does not mean that their aren't still some rouge cerebrates out there. But, it does state at the end that Kerrigan controls all of the Zerg swarm now, thus obtaining her goal. So in theory...there are no more resisting hive clusters. They are all hers and that means the cerebrates whom weren't originally with her either joined her or were killed. This doesn't mean that she won't be betrayed by any remaining cerebrates...that is always a possibility.

Now onto the topic. I do not think the UED should be a separate race. I mean come on guys, the only reason you want this is because you believe the UED to be awesome. If your going to say "Oh no!!! It's because they have completely different tech" Then your lying, the Dark Templar has different tech from the regular Protoss, and what happened to them? They merged into one race.

That is what I want to see happen in SCII. I want to see the UED make a new advanced fleet of ships and weapons, send them to the Terrans, and merge with them becoming once race again. The same tech, the same race, ONE RACE. This can easily be explained, the UED created ships able to reach the Terrans in a matter of a year making travel between the two quite fast. Over time they developed new tech together and ended up becoming a merge... Thus you have once race...which will prolly be given a new name. Perhaps the TEA (Terran and Earth Alliance) This would be the best thing for them to do, they won't make a race that is derived from the same species. Sorry, but your going to have to settle for a merged new human race...because that's what will most likely happen.

UnHoly-Assassin

08-14-2004, 9:11 PM

different races consist of different genetics and atonomy. technology has nothing to do with it. are we different races from the romans who did not have our technology with those nuclear, electric, solar, wind powered machines?

technology is so easy to steal and copy it is absurd. sure, the UED may have a few stronger ships, but it'll just take the dominion bastards a few years at most to steal and copy all of them.

Original_JaminGrit

08-14-2004, 11:21 PM

Yeah, yeah, I know I said I wouldn't post again, but maybe I just won't try to promise that again. But what the heck do romans do with this? If you're trying to use a real-world example, I can too.

Anyways, I really do support the idea of the UED as a seperate race. For one thing, Blizzard needs to have at least one or two new races, but I wouldn't like them so much if they were just fabricated out of nowhere. Having some previously unknown race suddenly being thrown into the mix, without being ever mentioned of in the histories of StarCraft would be kind of cheap. So, you logically have to turn to already existing races. The Earth-born Humans of the UED are one such "race".

If you're going to say that the UED aren't different enough from the K-Sector Terrans, just read this forum and you can find enough real evidence of them being different. Also, it is possible to have two different types of human races. Just because European settlers and Native North Americans were both human didn't mean that they could suddenly interchange their technology and social powers. The Humans and Terrans are pretty much the same thing. There are some big differences I'd like to point out.

The first Terran settlers were not ordinary humans, they were outcasts, because they practised genetic alteration and implant technology. That is a fact. They were sent off Earth by the government(s?) to "purify" the rest of the Human Race. Thus, these misfit humans called themselves Terrans. Maybe because they thought themselves super-humans, or maybe they thought of themselves less than human, or maybe they simply were called Terrans but still considered themselves Human. They had come from Terra Firma, and were now banished from that home, so that's what made them Terrans. Because of their implants and gentic alteration, they would be different than pure humans, and I think that would make enough of a biological difference, espeacially six or seven generations after their banishment.

As for technology, the Terrans had limited technology, and pretty much had to start from scratch, where the Earth-Humans never lost any (of course, duh, they didn't have to leave home). Plus, the Terrans were being monitored unknowingly, so whatever new advances they made could pretty much be stolen by Earth. That is a significant technological advantages. UPL (what the UED was called before Protoss and Zerg were discovered by Terrans) scientists would know enough about Terran technology to take advantage of any weaknesses they might have. Anyways, my point is that the Humans would be far superior to the Terrans in their technolgy.

Now you're going to start to gripe, saying how easily interchangeable technolgy is. But remember my comparision between the Terrans/UED and Native North Americans/European Sttlers. It's the exact same thing!!! The UED hasn't been trying to contact the Terrans, not untill they brought some guns to the K-Sector. Not even to apologize for banishing them in the first place; never said anything like "Heh heh, sorry about that, we wanted to purify humanity by sending you all on a rocket into deep space, but that's ok, we're an enlightened people now, come back home!". The Humans of Earth still view the Terrans as Savages. The Terrans are strong, perhaps stronger and smarter than Humans due to the genetic enhancements of their ancestors.

But I predict that ultimately the Terrans, the little pig-nosed, bald-headed branch of humanity we have come to know and love, will either be wiped out by Humans, or simply submit to them. That is, unless they form some sort of alliance with either the zerg or protoss. And I doubt they'll be stupid enough to ally the zerg again. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, you have a horrible plot for StarCraft II". If not their technology or biology, than thier social differences will simply be enough to invoke the prejudices. Who knows, maybe the people of Earth will want to wipe out the Terrans. Or, they could all be controlled by robots, like someone else said (which I doubt, very cliché story line).

Human is human, I agree, but Humans can also be inhumane. We are ruled by logic, emotion, and insanity. On a level, we might be even worse than the zerg, who do not kill each other for being different. Humans and Terrans have to be only just slightly different enough. I am not shootng down any possibilty of a Terran/UED alliance, but I'm just saying that it's not that likely.

I'd like to say thank you to Tenebrae for pointing out that Kerrigan does in fact control all of the zerg. I did not realize that.

damn, I did not mean to make this post so long. I really need a life.

UnHoly-Assassin

08-15-2004, 2:43 PM

"the colonies that we were sent here to reclaim have become stronger than anticipated" --Admiral Dugalle

that would imply that the dominion have sufficient technology to rival the UED or even surpass them. Oh, and I just realized that that shot down your idea that the UED and Terrans were avoiding each other, and you would know they fought alongside in the final campaign. Hmm...and the UED were sent here to raclaim the colonies.

To me, the genetic implants on the Terrans don't amount to much. They still die like Humans do. And, I don't know about you, but I don't see how Terran marine and UED marines in the campaigns can be different. So I don't see how much they can be different in SC2.

The Native Americans were broken down and slaughtered because they were different from the Europeans, and they lack enough technology to fight back to win. The rest were assimilated. Kind of what you predict will happen to Terrans.

No matter how inhumane a human is, he/she is still human.

Blizzard might as well make new races. Just the Hybrids instead of the UED/Terran. Maybe even the Xel'Naga (but I'm against that). So it won't be that bad.

Brainsucker

08-17-2004, 3:46 AM

What about this :
We don't split Terran to be two races ( UED and Terran Dominion ) but split their tech tree into two like in C&C General. UED has one kind of better units while dominion has another.

Tenebrae

08-18-2004, 4:33 AM

The Terrans sent into exile were not genetically altered. Some had mechanical implants and others had latent telepathic abilities that they developed through family blood lines. It was mearly the next step in human evolution. The Humans fearing those whom evolved faster gathered them along with the cybernetically enchanted and sent them away. This doesn't mean that they Humans didn't evolve anyway, the capability for telepathic abilities is within every human, even if real life, we just fail to use these abilities currently. The Terrans whom did have these just had them activated this faster through years of "Good Breeding".

As for the technology factor. I too believe that the Humans have advanced beyond the Terrans. The UED fleet that they sent was sent at the first sign of the Zerg and Protoss presence...and just recently arrived. In my theory the Terran and Humans will merge sharing eachother's technology. Sure...the Terrans are going to hold a grudge...but so did the Dark Templar toward the "Light" Templar. Compromises will be made but heh...Human is still Human as Protoss is still Protoss ;)

Lastly, I believe new races whom haven't been mentioned can be incorporated with relative ease and still be awesome and fit into the storyline. Mine does quite well...even though I have multiple storyline ideas that all fit. The two new races will most likely be the Xel'Naga and the Hybrids.

The Hybrids were the race to come in SC Brood Wars.
The Xel'Naga whom evolved the Zerg into a sentient race were the only one's the Overmind destroyed. I doubt very highly the entire Xel'Naga race flew around in Worldships traveling together with one common goal. Not to mention it says the Overmind destroyed the greater whole of the Xel'Naga or something along those lines...I'm not sure...read it over in the SC manual. It only states most of the Xel'Naga were destroyed.

In conclusion...give the new Terran/Human race nukes...Napalm...rockets...I don't care...but when it gets down to biology no matter how much the Terrans differ from the Humans they are still Human. A water spider is the same as a house spider...the only difference lies in their evolution due to their environment. They are still...just another spider.

UnHoly-Assassin

08-19-2004, 9:35 PM

Maybe we can split this into other subcatagories rather than just primitive "races
Ex:

Species
Family
Type
etc...

terranfreak13

08-19-2004, 10:12 PM

Maybe we can split this into other subcatagories rather than just primitive "races
Ex:

Species
Family
Type
etc...
I like this idea. I think it would be awesome to be able to choose what kind of units to create. Here's a thought:

As far as the family/type thing goes, you could have different clans, like subspecies, to choose from, and each would have the same base buildings and units, but had its own little gimmicks too.

Santiak

08-20-2004, 9:10 AM

So basicly like the system in Emperor: Battle for Dune ? ;>
I think it's important not to go overboard, sure it could be cool but it could also have side effects. Like one sub becoming the king-prawn of them all. Not to mention the balancing issues. The point of the sub's system should be variation within the race, right? I would hope they would make them all balanced the,, which is hard. And not step into the pit-fall of making it paper-rock-scissor or "classed". If they can manage that and make the sub's proper balanced i'm for it.

The beauty of SC has always been the balance it has, without having same classes for each race, or paper-rock-scissor units. Something that i havent experienced any other RTS to have yet. :>

[ON topic]
I dont think the UED should be a seperate race from the Terrans, knowing the mindset of our own species (hrh, or any RL toss sitting on here ? ;P), i would imagine that the UED would try to either integrate them, or completely get rid of them. And if they are as all-powerfull as they appear to be, i cant think of anything the Terran's would have that the UED wouldn't have, so if anything i could more imagine they joined forces just like the dark/light templars. But thats me :]

singo

08-23-2004, 3:15 PM

there isnt going to be ANY integration of the 2 human races until Arcturus Mengsk is dead.

he isnt going to give up power without a fight.

UnHoly-Assassin

08-23-2004, 6:43 PM

They don't need to integrate. All they have to do is steal technology like the thief that they are.

Kev804

08-24-2004, 2:53 AM

This all seems pretty lame. You can't make humans and humans a different race, nor should you make protoss and protoss different races, regardless of if they are light or dark, evolved or not. I think that a possible merge of Protoss and Zerg may have interesting effects, but making separate races of humans sounds a bit like video game racism =-P (please don't take that too seriously).

Anyway, nobody's heard any concrete evidence of the game even being in the starting stages of production anyway... It'll be 3 to 5 years before starcraft 2 is released... Be reasonable here -- with Ghost not even out and I'm sure they're already developing the expansion to that already, any other star craft project will definitely wait...

That's what I think...

Lethas_the_Bold

08-25-2004, 1:00 AM

This ignores two salient facts Akuma.
a) Earth already had the colonies under surveyance Brood War does NOT take place long after the events in StarCraft, so no Looooooongness
b) And this is for everyone, if the survey mechanisms were still in place it doesn't matter what the UED did. Earth STILL knows about it.
The UED must than return so unless you got a way of writing them out convincingly (no cop outs to cheat the players please!) we are going to have to deal!

Okay so I still got more to say on the subject. Being a newbie part-timer i've got a few gaffs in my posting.

I've actually change my mind on this subject, though there have been many of us who have rejected the idea of new races think on this...
Warcraft II began with just 2 races, starcraft has 3, and Warcraft III has 4 (plus nonplayable Burning Legion) The natural Blizzard progression would be 5 or even 6 races.

It comes down to who or what you want them to be.
Seperations of subspecies would be a little chincy.
I think it would be better to have new ideas then rehashing the old ones.
I think that there is some validity in differences of the groups but entirely knew setups would not reflect this well. The common origins of the 3 main species of SC (No not to each other) would make any 2 divergeant groups modable (they would interact with each other) so such a thing should not happen in game space.

Xel'Naga lived with Protoss and share the same tech SO if they exist in SC II it should be a radical change for them.

Hybrids - Unsure but again must be radically different from their 2 parent races.

No species would be harder but a political opportunist would try to profit of such a great war as the 3 r having (hint, hint).

Okay so I still got more to say on the subject. Being a newbie part-timer i've got a few gaffs in my posting.

I've actually change my mind on this subject, though there have been many of us who have rejected the idea of new races think on this...
Warcraft II began with just 2 races, starcraft has 3, and Warcraft III has 4 (plus nonplayable Burning Legion) The natural Blizzard progression would be 5 or even 6 races.

It comes down to who or what you want them to be.
Seperations of subspecies would be a little chincy.
I think it would be better to have new ideas then rehashing the old ones.
I think that there is some validity in differences of the groups but entirely knew setups would not reflect this well. The common origins of the 3 main species of SC (No not to each other) would make any 2 divergeant groups modable (they would interact with each other) so such a thing should not happen in game space.

Xel'Naga lived with Protoss and share the same tech SO if they exist in SC II it should be a radical change for them.

Hybrids - Unsure but again must be radically different from their 2 parent races.

New species would be harder but a political opportunist would try to profit of such a great war as the 3 r having (hint, hint).

Tenebrae

08-25-2004, 1:51 AM

My views are the same.

TEA: Terran and Earth Alliance

Zerg: Mass evolution and introduction of new DNA.

Protoss: Rely more on mechs due to the massive loss they suffered on Auir (This could include a DT version of a Dragoon.)

Xel'Naga: Not all of them were destroyed if you read the SC book correctly

Hybrids: This is the ONLY race I'm sketchy with...they have Protoss and Zerg in them so what do they plan to do...make them have the abilities of both or what?

Last but not least...add my race haha. It's nearly completed so who knows. I intend to submit them and see if I can get friggan hired as a concept artist/developer (ideas, units, story and such) If I get rejected which I most likely will I'll share the race with you all.

Ragnarox

08-25-2004, 2:09 AM

Well instead of having something like its own RACE, it could be like another type of terrans, because regardless, both the U.E.D and other humans are all Terrans. Also, I think you should have the opritunity to control seperate Zerg broods with different unit types and upgrades. For protoss, different tribes and ways of war will effect the units. At least thats my opinion.

Tenebrae

08-25-2004, 2:14 AM

Yea it may be interesting but they won't do that. It would be too complicated. That would make the "Races" as follow...

Terran
UED
(Any other possible human faction)
Any of the 4-6 Zerg broods
Any of the 4-6 Protoss Tribes

Basically they would have near 12-15 races to balance out if they did that.

Lethas_the_Bold

08-25-2004, 1:25 PM

While I do agree with you Tenebrae on a lot of issues (cloned at birth or something? lol) and Xel'Naga existance is cool, I still have a BIG problem with them because of the shared tech issue

Protoss kind of inherited Xel'Naga tech so what would be new?

Granted they have been elsewhere for eons but would the tech not be a different version of the UED/Terran argument.

Development changes but to what extant, need to no more about how the Xels will be different before I'd endorse them whole-heartedly.

Tenebrae

08-25-2004, 5:35 PM

I haven't been cloned...I made sure of it -_-

Anyway, as for the Xel'Naga and Protoss sharing similar tech, that's entirely untrue. I don't believe it even actually states anything hinting to that (Though if you find something in the books tell me)

The Xel'Naga Temple on Shakuras proves just that. The only thing the Protoss and the Xel'Naga share in common is that the Temple is a pyramid like the Nexis...and even the shape of the Pyramids differ greatly.

If your speaking of those crystals that the Xel'Naga showed them how to use, they did that because those crystals were on the Protoss homworld and would be abundant for them to prosper with. I don't think the Xel'Naga use them as a source of power and such due to the fact that they most likely come from far away.

Though like I said...prove me wrong if you can I very well might be, I haven't read any of the SC books nor have I been able to locate my SC manuals in like 2 years heh.

Crion

08-26-2004, 3:09 AM

Kind of off-topic, but dunchy mentioned the official Blizzard extra maps that explained Stukov's fate. Could someone link me up with those? I looked around and could only find Precursor and Enslavers campaigns. ;(

ZergMan

08-26-2004, 11:41 AM

I might be wrong, but i'm pretty sure that those maps where for the N64 version of starcraft.

Crion

08-26-2004, 12:26 PM

ROM time, then. No way in fuck am I buying StarCraft 64. I rented it once. RTS on console = nothx.

ZergMan

08-26-2004, 12:34 PM

They made a PC version of the map. Here ya go.

http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/starcraft/Maps/motm/deception.zip

http://www.infoceptor.com/images/misc/2.jpg

Lethas_the_Bold

08-27-2004, 12:36 AM

Tenebrae

08-27-2004, 1:20 AM

I say share tech because they actually lived along side them according to the manual
As Gods but they lived together
My access to manual is likewise strain though so correct me if i'm wrong.

And if u made sure u don't have any clones than i must be the original lol!
I'll be 21 in sep 5th. Whom is older ;)

Anyway from what I recall the Xel'Naga did live along sinde them but also tried to not interfier that much...they restricted what they alowed the Protoss to learn so they would develop on their own...just with a little push.

Mr.Ric

08-27-2004, 1:42 AM

I think they should include another race warcraft has 4 star craft just needs one more

Spartan-II

08-27-2004, 1:57 AM

The UED should nto be a separate race but I also think they should be spolit apart Saying that their a new "race" Would imply that they are aof a totally different species but theyre still human .. Instead there should be factionsand you can play as the UES and terrans

Lethas_the_Bold

08-27-2004, 10:53 AM

I'm 27 so yeah i am older (wow this joke was not meant to go on so long or become so serious).

Thanks for the info, I stand happily corrected.

singo

08-27-2004, 1:24 PM

Skapare

09-05-2004, 3:22 PM

BeefotronX

09-06-2004, 12:31 PM

I don't think the UED and K-Sector should be entirely different, but I think it would be good to separate the two in some way. Give them different tech trees that accentuate different units, and maybe give each group one unique building (for researching unique techs) and one unique unit.
Just for symmetry, do something similar for Kerrigan's Zerg and the other Zerg and the Dark Templar and the Light Templar.

Before I go on, every race should have some means to capture units. One thing that bugs me in SC1 a little is that only a Protoss player has the ability to assume control of all 3 races. While it often isn't worth bothering going up the tech tree of a second race, the option should be available. It doesn't have to work the same way for everyone, as long as everyone gets the ability in some way.

As for the Hybrids, they'd have some distinct units, but they'd be able to draw from both the Protoss and Zerg trees.

Again for a bit of symmetry, perhaps include the Rebels (Raynor's bunch) who include Terran and Protoss things with some interesting combinations, and some kind of weird group that maybe spun off of du Gaulle's fleet that combines Terran and Zerg tech.

WarZone

09-15-2004, 8:00 AM

it's totally dum because why blizz should separate humans? and why if they do they won't separate Protoss? and zergs like i think ain't there a overmind and a kerrigan forces? and there are also coming Hybrids... and maybe Xel'naga.. so how many races u want... u want that every week blizz should make new patches for balancing races? it dum there should be as always Zerg Terrans and Protoss + Hybrids... and maybe Xel'Naga

Hunta

09-15-2004, 8:40 AM

WarZone

09-15-2004, 12:00 PM

didnt he get shot by duran in the BW campaign??
well as i seen on forums and other sites i think stukov was brought back to live in some other campain and he was infested or smth like that[i'm not sure but he may be deinfested after that] and it happen at the same time as final assault against zergs...

Original_JaminGrit

09-15-2004, 10:03 PM

I'm probably alone in this but I'd like to see the number of playable races reduced to two, much like the good old days of Warcraft 2.
No, wait, still your slipknots and pitchforks and hear me out.

The UED would utilize mostly Terran technology and harvested Zerg evology (or whatever you wanna call it), with any new additions coming from home planet Earth.

The Xel'naga would combine the strengths of Protoss and Zerg with their own undoubtly very slender, refined, and highly evolved characteristics.

With one common race in the backbone, we'd easily have two perfectly balanced sides, while they remain completely different in both ideology and strategy and likely even the basics of unit and building production systems. This direction makes sense with the backstory too, or so I hope.

WarCraft II wasn't that good with its mirror images of every unit. Besides of that, you increase replayability by adding more races. Four or five new races would be perfect for StarCraft 2. Ofcourse they need to be balanced which will be a hard task. The more races the more diversity. Every game you play will be different, and that's something what can not be accomplished with only 2 races where you have the same matchup every time. How would you explain it anyway? The Zerg and the Protoss will never cooperate with the Xel'Naga. Likewise, the Xel'Naga don't want to cooperate with the Zerg and Protoss as they were almost annihilated by them twice in history.
I'm with Hunta on this; I do appreciate the two races idea, but it would make more sense that alliances weren't formed between the different races. Besides, it would just be as easy to use the map editor to create an entire campaign with just two races. Er, maybe not just as easy, or easy at all, but you get what I mean. And as for the mirror units, you may as well just just play one race against a computer player of the same race(Terran vs. Terran, Zerg vs. Zerg, etc;).
The same thing would go if you still only wanted the original three races; just make a campaign centered around them. Personally, I would like to create a campaign centered around the protoss "Aeon of Strife". (I wonder if something like that has been made before). But I digress.

I agree with Hunta, the more races, the better the gameplay. If you don't like the main campaigns, then make your own. (I look forward to seeing the starcraft II editor, hopefully much better than StarEdit.)

Hunta

09-16-2004, 11:25 AM

I'm glad you agree with me Original_Jamingrit.

On a side note, here's a link to an article I wrote about Alexei Stukov:

http://home.planet.nl/~aggel005/alphabeta/alexeistukov.html

Yes, he is alive.

singo

09-18-2004, 10:52 AM

well as i seen on forums and other sites i think stukov was brought back to live in some other campain and he was infested or smth like that[i'm not sure but he may be deinfested after that] and it happen at the same time as final assault against zergs...
a blizzard campaign?? or someones custom thing??

Aqo

09-18-2004, 10:57 AM

blizz

Luger

09-21-2004, 11:14 PM

Ya know I allways thought it was kinda weird that the UED used K - Sector Terran Technoligy givin Earth and the K Sector never saw eachother for years. I think it woulda been cool had the UED had its own set of Units aswell as the Dark Templar.

If the UED ever does make an appearence in SC 2 id like to see it be its own race...It dosnt look hard to create whole new units seperate from the Dominion same with the Protoss and maybe even the Zerg!

singo

09-22-2004, 3:29 PM

I think it woulda been cool had the UED had its own set of Units aswell as the Dark Templar.
please tell me that was a typo.

Original_JaminGrit

09-22-2004, 9:36 PM

Actually, I agree with Luger. I was dissapointed that all the UED brought was a goliath upgrade, the valkeryies, and the medics (although the medics are cool units). I was expecting different types of marines and lots of superior technology. You could say that since the UED was watching the terran's since their first planetfall, they could easily have stolen all of their technology, but the Earth Technology should have been even better. I hope that the UED is it's own race in SC II, with all it's own style of units. Although I do expect them to be similar, I expect them to have little or no psi units (The terran's genetic manipulation is what brought out their dormant psi powers, while the eart humans are purists and would not suffer any genetic manipulation). As well as a disadvantage in spell-casting, would be a superior technology race. Sort of combining aspects of zerg and protoss: mass units, and better technology, (but little or no spellcasters or special abilities).

So in closing; the UED should have had a bunch of it's own units, and it should be a new race in SCII.

Krossbow

10-21-2004, 12:07 PM

the UED should not be a seperate race. after all, the dark templars and DArchons are part of the protoss race, right, so its not like different cultures become different races. come to think of it, the Dts only brought 2 new units to the toss, just like the UED brought 2 new units. but if you wish, maybe call a new ship a "UED interceptor" or something. besides, the cool thing about SC is its species duking it out for supremacy, not just a pell mell war (like in age of empires)

UnHoly-Assassin

10-30-2004, 10:47 AM

Should the UED appear as a new race and completely superior, that would throw off the balance in the entire game. The terrans, protoss, and zerg units are all delicately balanced, and to throw in a godly race that can slaughter the terrans would mean they could slaughter the other two quite easily as well.

One of the unique features in StarCraft is the fact that none of the units in each race is similar. We don't want it to be another Age of Empires, wherein 90% of all units are shared by each of the other races. It'd be kind of hard to make another human race with completely different units, and kind of pointless too. Therefore I conclude that new races should appear, though not suddenly but gradually. An example would be like the Xel-Naga wasn't hiding for thousands of years they were creating a new race (assuming they're not Hybrids) and the three races got a hold of it or signs appear and ships mysteriously dissapear before they're discovered (similar to how the protoss made their first appearence to the terrans by coming out of nowhere and wipe out Mars Sara).

Original_JaminGrit

10-31-2004, 12:08 AM

If the UED is a seperate race, I would expect it to have a bunch of it's own units. Maybe not even marines, but a different sort of infantry unit. Or, if Blizzard decides to play up their technological superiority, all of their units could be mechanical. I'm sure the people of Blizzard have enough imagination to create a whole tech-tree for the UED that's seperate from any of the Terran's units. Plus, it's my opinion that the terrans will be far superior than the UED in terms of adaptability and more importantly, psionic powers. Maybe they'll develop more ghost-like units, or different psi units.

Some people don't seem to want anything to change in SC2. If you don't want any new units or new races, or a new interface with different graphics or 3D, then there's a whole world wide web out there full of campaigns to download. Have fun, but don't look for the same game in it's sequel. Other people look forward to SC2 because they want something new in the world of Starcraft.

Jooster

10-31-2004, 8:39 AM

All those ideas are very interresting, however, there is one thing I think u have all missunderstood....the UED is no more....the UED is dead. Remember what kerrigan said in the last movie? "once again, I stand atop the broken bodies of my enemies, victorious but not unscarred. The earth-born directorate has been destroyed, and the overmind lies dead.....". And even if it would not have been destroyed I don´t think it should be a seperate race as we have enough already; Terran, Protoss, Zerg, Xel´naga and the Hybrids. 5 races are more than many other games has and besides....there would be way too many campaign-missions if there would be like: dominion, kerrigan zerg, dagoth zerg, dark templar, protoss, UED, Xel´naga and hybrids...

Krossbow

11-01-2004, 7:44 PM

the UED is dead.

to my knowlege, it was simply that none of the forces made it back to earth. that also implys that earth would have had one huge ass force waiting to save the UED expeditionary fleet if it had made it back.

UnHoly-Assassin

11-01-2004, 10:29 PM

Xel'Naga shouldn't be a race...they should remain extinct

More campaigns are better, but not to the point that it's repetitive. Same thing goes for races. We don't want another UED colored marine with different armor that does basically the same thing as the Terrans. However, if Blizzard can create an entire new race, making each and every unit unique in abilities and advantages from the Terrans, the the UED can be considered another race. Then of course they'd have to do the same thing for another race for the Protoss...and the Zerg too. If they could, awesome. But chances are those complications are more trouble than they're worth, and would delay the release of the game for about ten more years.

Spartan-II

11-01-2004, 11:17 PM

*Is so exasperated that he looks for some way to take out his anger other than killing the people who think the UED should be a race*
Heres my logic:
A) 2 human races.. Wtf????
B) The UED watched the terrans in the K sector and therefore would know about their technology and would probably use it..
C) The terrans in the K sector do not have more psionic potential, they have equal psionic potential.

RelinaIonna

11-02-2004, 4:11 AM

The terrans in the K sector do not have more psionic potential, they have equal psionic potential.I disagree. I think that Earth's racial purifying killed off those who were manifesting psionic potential. Either way I see no evidence to make any accurate ratio between K and S sectors.

Visions_of_Khas

11-02-2004, 5:33 PM

Relinna is correct. When the small batch of humans were launched along their eventful journey to the Gantris system, the ATLAS compiled information on the prisoners, and found that less than 1% of the prisoners carried genes that could allow for the manifestation of psionic abilities. So, out of 40,000 exiles, that's around 400 individuals that carried the gene. Over time this gene will have spread throughout the gene pool. For all we know, the Confederacy even attempted to breed telepaths.
Though it is evident that the UED now makes use of psychics, the UPL originally wanted to completely purify the human race of all mutations, whereas the majority of the exiles were composed of such deviants. Thus, I would believe that the K Sector Terrans have a higher concentration of psychics, whereas the UED's own Ghost corps is at more of a premium.

I think it should be possible that the Terrans of Koprulu and Sol should have their own respective technologies. Seriously, think about it. Different nations on Earth today have different designs in their technologies, and are further ahead in some areas than others. Now, we are talking about nations in different places in the galaxy. Why wouldn't they have different technologies? There's no question about it, they are different. Artanis himself says that the ships that attempted to blockade the Protoss fleet on Braxis had a different designs from most Dominion vessels.
The only justification I can come up with to explain why the UED possesses Behemoth-class battlecruisers, CMC-300/400 heavy marine combat suits, CF/A 17 Wraith space superiority fighters, and everything else the Koprulu have is because the UED hasn't faced the same challenges as the Confederacy and Dominion, and were thus behind on their war machine's tech. They therefor observed the weapons in Koprulu and stole design ideas and implimented them in their own weapons, then modified them. Really, there are some differences in the UED's fleet- Valkyries, for one. These are purely UED made. The UED also makes extensive use of field medics, whereas the Confederacy and Dominion are much more negligent with their warriors. And too, look at the UED's Goliaths-- they have missile racks rather than autocannons on either side of the walker.

I would like to see UED as a separate "race" just because it would be neat.

general_hydra

11-04-2004, 12:57 PM

i thonk that the UED should burn in hell, yes i think it should be a different race

Original_JaminGrit

11-12-2004, 9:26 PM

The only justification I can come up with to explain why the UED possesses Behemoth-class battlecruisers, CMC-300/400 heavy marine combat suits, CF/A 17 Wraith space superiority fighters, and everything else the Koprulu have is because the UED hasn't faced the same challenges as the Confederacy and Dominion, and were thus behind on their war machine's tech. They therefor observed the weapons in Koprulu and stole design ideas and implimented them in their own weapons, then modified them. Really, there are some differences in the UED's fleet- Valkyries, for one. These are purely UED made. The UED also makes extensive use of field medics, whereas the Confederacy and Dominion are much more negligent with their warriors. And too, look at the UED's Goliaths-- they have missile racks rather than autocannons on either side of the walker.

I think I've heard from somewhere that the UPL(what the UED was called earlier) was able to monitor the Terran's progress, and were able to "steal" their technology. That could be a possible explanation as to why they have more technology in common.

Spartan-II

11-13-2004, 10:13 PM

Zerg-King

11-14-2004, 2:37 AM

No way r they.Thats like saying Africans are a different race.Its not like theyve mutated and grown a tail in space if they went back to earth nobody would tell the difference.

but they might have ling blood on em

Shinigami

11-30-2004, 6:10 PM

If you want SC to have 2 human races and be lame like Age of empires or something be my guest, its just my opinion that 2 human races would make the game idiotic. Starcraft prides itself on originality and it wouldnt be original to have more than 1 human race.
A game can still pride itself on being original with two races being the same species. Simply because the species are not polar opposites, are different enough to be considered original, doesn't mean that units, buildings, and consequently, the campaign missions and overall strategies does not mean the game is no longer original. So long as Blizzard could give the UED a style all their own, seperate from that of the Koprulu Terran, then it's in the storyline's best interest to include them. To expand upon that, the UED sent an entire fleet to the Koprulu Sector and lost it; every ship and every soldier, including one of their best admirals: DuGalle. Moreover, they nearly conquered the entire Sector with a force so small as it was. A fleet or not, it was miniscule compared to what the UED is most surely capable of.

By the way, to beat the horse Chris killed, the UED and Terran have spent two to three centuries developing independantly. More importantly, all the Terran had to build up their interplanetary colonies was the remnants of their ships and the knowledge they came with. Meanwhile, the UED has been expanding, starting colonies on far-distant planets and watching other, older ones grow ever the larger. Whether or not they kept anything more than an interplanetary police force is up in the air, though I'd have to guess not from the fact that their Expeditionary Fleet was made up of ships made using terran technology. (Or if they did have one, it was not very large.)

No way r they.Thats like saying Africans are a different race.Its not like theyve mutated and grown a tail in space if they went back to earth nobody would tell the difference.
They may look similar--Hell, even exactly the same--but centuries of growth in two very different environments from two very different starting points have launched both into opposite directions. The small, backwater colonies making up the majority of the population in the K Sector, whereas I would be surprised to find anyone living outside a city on Earth, can give you a basic idea of how view things differently, and that's just one example.

Two races, thats a lot of new units though. Because your going to have to make a bunch of new human differants, but they have to be differant than the K Sector Humans. Or else you could just keep one race of humans because they already have the same units. They couldn't just all of a suddenly, have a whole new group of units and dropping all the old ones. I like the idea, but their has to be alot to happen to make it good.
I would be inclined to agree if I hadn't seen, first hand, that is was more than plausible. I cite SiegeTank's Terran Ascension, set after Brood War. It's an intricate web of Terran races, including the UED, Dominion, Confederacy, Umojan-Morian Coalition, and Terran Freedom Faction. Each faction has its own, unique outlook on battle, as well as its own strategies, based on the units which are, in turn, based on their outlooks on war. In fact, he himself created 82--that's eighty-two--new units, and he's just a fan! So it is possible, luckily for us. :)

Jooster

12-23-2004, 4:12 AM

You who wants the UED to be a seperate race apparently doesn´t understand that it is COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE! It CAN be a different faction, or such, but NEVER a different RACE, cuz they are still humans...if u let them evolve seperated from all other humans for about 5000 years then they may be so special that you may call them a new race, but not until then!!

Stukov died, and remains dead, or could u plz answer me who infested him??
Not Daggoth, cuz he didn´t even know about the psi disrupter and what occured there, and not Kerrigan...she had no reason to get someone to replace Duran, as she didn´t know he would leave her.

And by the way...that picture of a mission with infested Stukov...pretty unreal...he was immortal...as u could see at his properties...he had no health-meter...that means he is immortal...and what kind of mission would that be??

And by the way...I don´t think that the UED will be a new faction (or somesuch) in SCII, as it will take a LOOOOONG time before Earth gets the message from DuGalle (the one to his wife, which was the only proof they got on earth that duGalle was defeated) and then they must prepare a new fleet which has to be perfectly prepared (which apparently the other ones never were) and then the new fleet has to get to the Koprulu sector....this would all take MANY years...and during that time a lot of things are able to happen between Kerrigan, Artanis, Mengsk, Duran, Zeratul, Raynor and Daggoth...so maybe the UED can be a new faction in SCIII, but not before

Oh...and by the way...some of you apparently needs a little lesson in what the Terrans are and what humans are...

Terran is the ONE name of human MILITARY in space...nothing else...Terran is even used in other games and is not a word that Blizzard has made up, but a real english word...(examples of other games with the word Terran: Unreal II the awakening, Armor command (armor command is an old strategy game which sux alot but that doesn´t matter)) so PLZZZ stop saying things that "the UED will easily steal the Terran technology" and such as that basically means they will steal from themselves too...if you say things like "the UED could steal the Terran dominion technology" then I will accept it as the UED and Terran dominion are two different factions of humans, of Terrans. The only reason its called the Terran dominion is that Mengsk thought he could rule all Terran forces in the universe and create a large dominion that ALL humans were joined in, no matter if they wanted or not. Its only Mengsks over-ambitious plans of a single great force of humans...

Ragnarox

12-23-2004, 4:27 AM

but NEVER a different RACE, cuz they are still humans
I don't know if you are aware of this, but many different human ethnicities have been called "races." So, say you are "black" which is also african, which is classified as a race.

So whats the difference between international and interstellar...in regards to the catagorization system?

Also, A) We don't know how far away the remaining U.E.D fleet was from earth, besides, it said in the ending that, "By now news of our defeat has reached the earth." So obviously they DID recieve a message. B) The colonists research technology...why shoulden't the U.E.D research technology aswell that is different from the colonists technology?

Plus, we don't know when SCII is going to take place, it could be a month, or it could be a century. New leaders could arise, old leaders could fall (i.e. Mengsk) after all, in the conclusion, it did state that the Dominion was pretty much crushed.

Also, "Terran" was not the name for only the human military, if you recall the many breifings during the Zerg and Protoss campaigns, it says Terran cities. Now, since when has their been a city of only military personnel. No such thing exists.

Jooster

12-23-2004, 5:08 AM

All right, u have a point..."Terran" is the name for human space thingies...and not only military, I give u that.

I also give u that "by now the news of our defeat has reached the earth"...u win that too...

However...we know that SCII will take place shortly after BW..it has too...much is about too happen, the hybrids will rise, Raynor is going somewhere, noone knows where though. Artanis will try to rebuild the once gloriuos protoss cities (and such). Duran will begin commanding the hybrids, the Xel´naga will most likely rise too. very much is about to happen...Blizzard cannot take a big leap here...the story would be somewhat ruined in that case...

Too call an african a different race then say, a scandinavian ( I am one :D)
is just wrong...that is something that has risen because of rascism, that humans are divided into races and that one is better and such...we are all humans here on earth (don´t come up with something like "but what about he animals on earth?? are they human too??...") I don´t see the different between humans, between a black man or woman and a white man or woman, except for skincolor, but that doesn´t matter a shit about anything...I am anti-rascist and we are all humans, we all have rights, and noone should have more than the other just because of skincolor!! WE ARE HUMANS!! WE ARE ONE AND THE SAME, ALL OF US!! differences in value doesn´t exist, and therefore the