Dear Scottie, I'm Sorry.

[GenocideAlive]

After some careful consideration and a few months of casual WoW play, all I can say is: I'm sorry, Scottie. I understand now.

You see, Scottie and I had a few lengthy discussions about the accessibility of powerful gear to solo players. We also had several tete-a-tetes about PvP gear and raiding as well. Only after playing for the time that I have, doing the things that I've done, I can finally say I see what Scottie was saying.

Consider this: My Warlock hit 70 about 2-3 months ago. When Profesorpain hit 70, he had a grand total of about 300 spell damage on his gear including his Fel Armor buff and Demonology bonus. I ran at around 200 dps on a good day. I could hold 2nd place on DPS meters in 5 mans, and struggled a lot with harder instances.

Now, Profesorpain has around 1050 spell damage on his gear with Fel Armor and no Demonology and runs at around 800 dps. I top 10 man damage meters without trying. I tried to do a heroic with a blues tank in H Shattered Halls, and it was made literally impossible by my crits zapping for 1.6k aggro. In another month, I will have 1200+ spell damage and 1000dps.

What does all this epenis talk mean? It means that I'm running around in tier 6 equivalents without ever having set foot in SerpentShrine Cavern. In english? I'm wearing the best gear available for the game without having even attuned to the most basic 25 man instances. People who have raided for 20hrs/week for 2 years solid have worse gear than I do.

I log in, these people are raiding. I switch to an alt, these people are raiding. I log off, these people are raiding. They spend probably 100g in materials every time they raid for four hours four times a week, and they're expected to come in during non-raid hours and farm up gold to pay for the expense. All for a chance to get loot from a boss that I'm guaranteed to top or match running heroics.

I realize that WotLK is coming this summer and the reason they've got this fire sale on gear is because WotLK's gear will be so much better. I'm just struggling to understand what kind of pissed-off anguish those hardcore raiders have to be coping with while they watch as some casual 2hr/night dick runs by with gear as good as they've got. Not to mention the constant air of bitterness that saturates competitive guilds, coupled with near-constant guild drama.

Now I understand why people are so freaked when an XPac drops and all their shit becomes worthless. These clowns that sit in front of banks & vendors to peacock their awesome gear that they raided for 80 hours to get are going to look stupid as some dude in greens kicks their ass in a duel.

Wow, I cannot comprehend how angry this must make some players.

[Hunta]

Isn't that just great? You're never done with this game. There is no end. And the achievements you may have made are so easy to put in perspective you will never feel satisfied so you keep playing more and other characters.

I only hope those hardcore raiders are at least having fun while raiding.

[WarInSerbia]

Isn't that just great? You're never done with this game. There is no end. And the achievements you may have made are so easy to put in perspective you will never feel satisfied so you keep playing more and other characters.

I only hope those hardcore raiders are at least having fun while raiding.

I guess they are just too serious about it,I mean realy if you get a wipe just ress and try again.You should relax and have fun while raiding.

[Neo]

I was kind of waiting for you to explain how you got the equipment without running Serpantshrine >.>

I've begun to hit some roadblocks where I have to start running certain instances, thank god they are only 5-mans, however I really dislike that, for most of the game, you can basically ignore group quests, or join in if someone happens to be around that needs it to, but then you hit the top, and suddenly your gear isn't as awesome as you thought it was, and ding ding, now you HAVE to be social and join in to run various instances, whether your farming badges, or hoping for that special recipe to drop, or just need the reputation.

At least it's more fun to raid then PVP is at 70, I mean, seeing as I've got shitty equipment, lol.

-Neo

[ScottieIWU]

Wow, I cannot comprehend how angry this must make some players.What it comes down to is this: Raiders that did Hyjal/BT pre-2.4 comprised about 10% of WoW players, if that. The further you got, the higher up in those numbers you became. Yah, your guild may not be #1 in the world, but having 4/5 or 5/5 T6 meant you were a damn serious player, who really know some shit.

Unfortunately those other 90% of players, including myself among them at one point, look at raiding as completely unfair to them. People who aren't in that 10% think that T6 should be handed to them more easily, that because you pay to play, you should easily have access to that gear. I remember my first guild doing Kara and making fun of people who raided enough to have T5, much less T6 at that point. Having moved to becoming one of those players who has seen all of BT, I can say that there is a certain sense of "I earned this shit" as you step onto Illidan's terrace and get your ass handed to you in phase 2.

Badge rewards (and to some extent, Arena gear) are essentially a Blizzard implemented DKP system with which they can satisfy the bads who don't feel you should have to work to be great at this game. Work hard enough for a long enough time, and you'll get that reward. It's the same as raiding, you may not get something every time you kill a boss, but you get that DKP so that when something you want does show up, you can get it. In that sense, there is a kind of admiration I have for people who literally go from blues to full badge gear. However, it's admirable for people who, quite honestly, hold a sense of entitlement without wanting to work hard to be good.

I fight with this issue daily, and I have finally managed to justify it to myself this way: badge gear gets the job done, but T6 (and now Sunwell) gear is recognizable. With that recognition comes a sense of prestige. It may be that a person in all badge gear who has never set foot in any T5 content, much less T6, looks at a person in all T6 and thinks "wow, must suck to know my gear is equal to yours." There are probably, however, just as many people who see that person in T6 and wish that he/she could be like that. As I walk through the cities in my gear, I am constantly approached by people in ZA/Badge loot who simply say "wow, nice gear." It's that sense of admiration, despite that gear may be equal or better, because you know someone who has raided has put in his/her time to get that.

It's tough to justify raiding sometimes, but then I look at my gear, and laugh at how ridiculous my stats are, and laugh at how much I know about the hunter class compared to someone who beats his face against kara to get badges.

Edit: For the short reasoning, read below:

I'm better than most hunters who play WoW; I know my class better, I do better DPS and I have worked harder to get where I am. For all intents and purposes, I am an elitist as far as WoW is concerned.

[Neo]

Scottie I meant to ask you this along time ago, but what hunter does your pet use?

-Neo

[kongurous]

Wow, I cannot comprehend how angry this must make some players.

I punched a hole in my wall the first time this BS happened to raiders (myself included), long ago, and damn near broke my hand doing it. Didn't even relieve the emotions. I've promised not to do it again but the temptation's there. Oh trust me, it's there. Especially when you're sitting on pieces of gear that you earned with your own hard time and effort in even getting to BT, let alone getting inside and, you know, actually killing Illidan.

I've been in a bit of immense apathy lately, let's hope it holds over till WotLK comes out lest my living room and bedroom may become joined.

[ScottieIWU]

Scottie I meant to ask you this along time ago, but what hunter does your pet use?

-NeoIf you meant what pet my hunter uses (:P) I use a wind serpent.

[GenocideAlive]

That makes sense, I guess. I mean, if you can trap you're already better than 50% of the hunters at 70, imo. I don't know why, but I really have seen the "huntard" stereotype come true more than any other. I have seen some hunters at 70 who didn't even know pet control, wiping the group more than once due to absolutely stupid choices. I still see hunters that use Scattershot in crowded areas as part of their shot rotation, breaking CCs all over the place. The hunters that I have seen that are good, though, are scary. I saw one putting out like 1200dps, not including pet. Nuts.

As for the prestige bit, yeah, I think they should add a little something to the raidgear, like a glow or something. Though I do believe someone should be able to "earn" a lot of the gear with solo content, I still think that the gear should be distinctive when you need 24 friends and some skills to get it. It gets on my nerves to see people in freak-out awesome gear that can't play.

But then, this is generally why I'm rolling Rogue. I'm sick of playing with a bunch of whiny self-important d-bags that think everybody should be doing whatever they can to improve their WoW experience. I'm still bitter about that mage in epics rolling over other epics against people in blues. I mean, what the fuck. Then the other day, I had some Feral tank loot after I told him not to (in raid warning and in chat) because he "wasn't paying attention", then he needed the caster robes for his caster set (because he didn't think anyone needed).

It's this kind of bullshit and lying that really makes me consider just canceling my sub. Guilds aren't much better, full of drama mamas who have nothing better to do than yell "STFU" at each other and niggle and fight over every single little wipe. Then there's pugs you put together that feature a bunch of lazy asshats waiting for you complete group, summon them, and give them consumables so they can do 200dps, put out 500 aggro on mobs, or some other ridiculous crappage.

Might as well go Rogue and professionally kill the bastards.

[Anoiktos]

TBH, Warlock DPS is kind of ridiculous at this point, with their having the safest and most reliable AOE in the game (SoC) and destro spec being so blatantly superior to mage specs in terms of direct damage. That said, how are you getting badge gear so fast? The T6 equivalents are 75-100-150 badges, and if you aren't raiding SSC-level, the most you've got is 22 + 5 + 3 badges a week (kara, gruul's, and magtheridon)

And if you're running heroics for that many badges, you're playing a lot more than most raiders I know.

Edit: For those of you who don't speak wowspeak (I know, it's a bad habit), I'm questioning Geno's collection speed.

[ScottieIWU]

That makes sense, I guess. I mean, if you can trap you're already better than 50% of the hunters at 70, imo. I don't know why, but I really have seen the "huntard" stereotype come true more than any other. I have seen some hunters at 70 who didn't even know pet control, wiping the group more than once due to absolutely stupid choices. I still see hunters that use Scattershot in crowded areas as part of their shot rotation, breaking CCs all over the place. The hunters that I have seen that are good, though, are scary. I saw one putting out like 1200dps, not including pet. Nuts.My favorite fight currently in the game, Gorefiend, I put out about 1650-1700 DPS (unless I'm dealing with constructs, then it drops off very quickly). Either way, I'd say that that holds true with anybody: know your shit and you can put out obscene DPS despite the gear. A mage in my guild, on gorefiend, actually beat everyone else by putting out nearly 1750 dps on Gorefiend in little more than some parts of his T4 set. He had yet to get any T5/T6 loot, and really is just that good. Group setups, though, also play a big part. Rogues tend to get coddled, and if you put a hunter in a solid group (2-3 hunters, a spriest and a feral druid) you're seeing the most ridiculous DPS those hunters could possibly put out.

As for the prestige bit, yeah, I think they should add a little something to the raidgear, like a glow or something. Though I do believe someone should be able to "earn" a lot of the gear with solo content, I still think that the gear should be distinctive when you need 24 friends and some skills to get it. It gets on my nerves to see people in freak-out awesome gear that can't play.I think they moved to this approach with a lot of the T6 stuff having cool effects and models. T5 hunter shoulders spark lightning, T6 shoulders blink, and the eye in Gronnstalker helm moves. For the ultimate effect on any T6, just look at the Warlock T6 helm, which sprouts orange wings fairly regularly. On the other hand, you have the new rogue shoulders running around that are epic, and, IIRC from badge loot, and look just like the dungeon set shoulders.

If you play enough, you know exactly what's a reskin of what, and raid gear very often is not a reskin, or if it is, it's a reskin of a tier set from that same level of gear (i.e. beast-tamer's shoulders are recolored T6). That model is used one other place, and that's S3 gear.

[GenocideAlive]

TBH, Warlock DPS is kind of ridiculous at this point, with their having the safest and most reliable AOE in the game (SoC) and destro spec being so blatantly superior to mage specs in terms of direct damage.
What we have in raw DPS we lose in functionality. Mages have lots of little tidbits like an indefinite CC, counterspells, tables, and a few other knick knacks that make them certainly as functional as a Warlock. Put it this way: a Warlock rips ass if he has a great tank, great healer, and great support. A Mage is still functional without those things, where the Warlock begins to suffer.
That said, how are you getting badge gear so fast? The T6 equivalents are 75-100-150 badges, and if you aren't raiding SSC-level, the most you've got is 22 + 5 + 3 badges a week (kara, gruul's, and magtheridon) And if you're running heroics for that many badges, you're playing a lot more than most raiders I know.
I'm a little lost. Are you suggesting that I stated I am full tier 6 geared? Because I never once stated so, nor implied such. I have my gear because I have two tier 4 (that gives a +150 sd 15s bonus), a pair of gloves from H MGT that are ~tier 5, a neck that's ~tier 5 from SSO, a trinket from H MGT that's ~tier 5/6, the Scryer Bloodgem, the PvP cuffs ~tier 4/5, Frozen shadoweave boots ~tier 4/5, scarlet robes (tier 5), a tier 4 equivalent cape, and two tier 4-5 rings with +30 spell and +20 crit with the 20/20 sta/int bonuses.

The only so-so gear I have is my pants which I stuck spellthread on just to make up for it. My head, shoulders, boots, and pants are enchanted.

If I geared to tier 5, I'd probably gain 20-30 spell damage and 300/300 life/mana. If I geared to tier 6, I'd probably gain 100-120 spell damage and 600/600 life mana. That isn't much of a gain for a lot of work.

And I don't know who you're running for badges with, but Gruul takes about an hour, Mag about 30 minutes, and Kara about 3 hours. That's 4.5 hours, which is a typical raiding session for one night for serious raiders. How exactly is that more time than serious raiders?

[ScottieIWU]

And I don't know who you're running for badges with, but Gruul takes about an hour, Mag about 30 minutes, and Kara about 3 hours. That's 4.5 hours, which is a typical raiding session for one night for serious raiders. How exactly is that more time than serious raiders?I think he was (without speaking for him) under the impression you already had basically every piece of badge gear there was for you to have. Given that, to do it in such a short time after hitting 70 you would have to do that 4.5ish hours of raiding + multiple heroics daily/weekly, which all told adds up to a lot more time than raiding.

Which I agree with. I know people who are saved to 2-3 heroics a day but refuse to raid because it "takes too much time." In all honesty, those people are probably running heroics with terrible groups, and even with the best groups some heroics take 1.5-2 hours to complete. At that point, you're better off just raiding some T6 content. At least then your e-peen is a little more justified. :P

Edit: GA (and anybody else, really). If you're ever at all interested in a raiding guild, but don't want to be so hardcore about it that you're not having fun, try to get in contact with me. My guild recently reformed because the majority of people wanted to do T6+ content but none of us were really enjoying the guilds we were in. Our MT went to a sunwell guild as their MT, got ridiculous gear, and hated every moment of it. Virtuous was always big on having fun, and now that we're rerolled and so far behind in progression that there is no point in giving two shits about such, we're basically in it for fun. We're still getting the guild off the ground, and there'd still be an application process, but I personally would not still be raiding if it weren't for the fact that raiding with these people is so amazing.

[GenocideAlive]

I shit you not, I just got done with kara in 2.5 hours. Every boss down 5 minutes and under (Fathead Undead Dragon took longer because of Flight Modes). It would have been faster if the group of 17 year olds I was running with didn't get cocky after the Shade of Aran and start fucking around and wiping the group. But seriously, it wasn't until Prince that the group wiped, and then we got him on second try. 10 badges an hour. Nuts.

And when I say my DPS, I mean not raid buffed and no helper-stats.

With Heroism, a Shadow Priest, and Boomkin buffs, I do 1500 DPS. That just doesn't seem like a good estimate though, because it's hella complicated to get all that.

[ScottieIWU]

I shit you not, I just got done with kara in 2.5 hours. Every boss down 5 minutes and under (Fathead Undead Dragon took longer because of Flight Modes). It would have been faster if the group of 17 year olds I was running with didn't get cocky after the Shade of Aran and start fucking around and wiping the group. But seriously, it wasn't until Prince that the group wiped, and then we got him on second try. 10 badges an hour. Nuts.

And when I say my DPS, I mean not raid buffed and no helper-stats.

With Heroism, a Shadow Priest, and Boomkin buffs, I do 1500 DPS. That just doesn't seem like a good estimate though, because it's hella complicated to get all that.Speed Kara is my hero. I always tell the tank on Maiden to bring her to me so I can get out of repentance so that I can dps harder. I'm pushing for a kill under a minute, but most of the time its 1:10 or so. :-(

[Trujungle]

Speed Kara is my hero. I always tell the tank on Maiden to bring her to me so I can get out of repentance so that I can dps harder. I'm pushing for a kill under a minute, but most of the time its 1:10 or so. :-(


Actually a great tatic. We have all our DPS on the side with the healer where the tank moves to to get him out so we can DPS lol. Got her 1 min and 4 secs lol. Thats the best most of the time it is like 1.40 secs.


Now as far as gear goes. First the PVP thing. I don't know about you guys but I have spent a long time and worked my ass all for Full S3. As a priest it is not the absolute easiest thing lol. I finally did it in my 5v5 we hit 2001. Luckly I had been on every match and had the same raiting as team lol. Everyone got their shoulders then we reformed the team. (Not sure why lol. Probably because everyone felt as though we hit the top lol. After we reformed the team we went 23-3 hitting 1775 in 1 night. So I think it was a good choice. My point being is I have worked very hard to achieve it where others have payed gold or PLed there way up :( Either way I sit there and know that I have worked my butt off. Its about How I feel about me I could give a shit less about how someone else feels about me.


Now as far as raiding goes. I was in a guild for a long time that said they were not a raiding guild. We raided 4 days a week and still couldnt kill mags. There was a core of about 15 people that where there ready to achieve a higher standard. We offered to create a more hardcore division of the guild and in the end got kicked out because of it. Now a month has gone by and we have Gruuls,Mags,Lurker on farm and almost have al'ar and hydross down.
Truth be told I could care less about the gear in this game. The fact is the eye off gruul is best COH healing trinket in the game and so is the beast deck lol. The neck off bird boss in ZA. The fact is having the highest so called ranked gear doesnt make it better lol. To me its about acomplishing the game. I mean who likes to play a game and not beat it?


Thats just my 2 cents :)

[GenocideAlive]

First, welcome. Second, try taking the anagram "lol" out of your writing vocabulary. If you truly are laughing out loud as often as you type it, you probably finished that last post with stomach cramps and tears streaming out of your eyes. Third, do you seriously think you're one of five players in WoW that achieved legitimate S3 PvP gear? It's not very fair (or realistic) to think that tons of people have thousands of gold to spend on getting S3 gear ratings. Typically the people who can buy their way into S3 gear like that are raiders who have oodles of money from fast farming funded by their incredible gear.

And saying the Tier 4 trinket off of Gruul is best in game is pretty...brave.

[ScottieIWU]

First, welcome. Second, try taking the anagram "lol" out of your writing vocabulary. If you truly are laughing out loud as often as you type it, you probably finished that last post with stomach cramps and tears streaming out of your eyes. Third, do you seriously think you're one of five players in WoW that achieved legitimate S3 PvP gear? It's not very fair (or realistic) to think that tons of people have thousands of gold to spend on getting S3 gear ratings. Typically the people who can buy their way into S3 gear like that are raiders who have oodles of money from fast farming funded by their incredible gear.He has a point. Though I may soon be in this category in terms of PvP, nothing is more sad than seeing someone in 4/5 S3 without weapon or shoulders. I currently fit into the 3/5 S3, 2/5 S2, no weapon, no shoulders category. However, I have decent gear (heh) otherwise, so I never wear my pvp gear unless im pvping. Honestly, though, seeing someone in FULL season 3 is pretty impressive. On the other hand, a person who runs around in pvp gear sans the rated items is sad, because it just reeks of lack of ability. I'll admit I'm not a spectacular pvper, which is why I wear my pve gear all the time.

Moreover, a good portion of teams do, in fact, win trade, powerlevel, or just buy a 2.3k rated team and smash their face against it until they hit 1850 or 2k as necessary. You can bet that in S4, things will change and a lot less cheating will take place in arena, and a lot of those people in full S3 will NEVER see their shoulders, what with the new 2.2k rating requirement.

And saying the Tier 4 trinket off of Gruul is best in game is pretty...brave.Honestly, it's not that uncommon for T4ish items for various people to be a best-in-slot. That's why you see most rogues (barring streams of bad luck, like my guild having only ever seen 1 dst) in T6 with a DST. It's just that good. Hell, the best combination of items for a hunter is a DST and a 3.0 speed bow, yet DST comes from T4 content. Until 2.4 and the new badge rewards, any hunter who wasn't using a Wolfslayer or Barrel-blade longrifle probably had a few things to learn about hunter mechanics, or just had too much pride to admit that the best weapon for a BM hunter came out of Kara/Doomwalker.

It all comes down to how Blizz itemizes gear. Vengeance of the Illidari is fantastic, but a lot more people prefer Berserker's Call or Tsunami Talisman + DST for their trinkets, as opposed to Tsunami + Vengeance. Off-items like that can be very finnicky, and Eye of Gruul is one of those items that fits a certain class/spec need, and it holds up very well.

Side note: some of the Naxx trinkets are still desirable, and hold up better than some of the T6 trinkets depending on spec/class. http://www.wowwiki.com/Eye_of_the_Dead is a good example, because http://www.wowwiki.com/Memento_of_Tyrande off Illidan may have a better equip bonus, but 450 healing on your next 5 spells is huge. Imagine being in T6 with that, and having 2200 healing and dropping 5 bomb flashes on the tank. It's nice.

Consider also, Berserker's Call vs. Slayer's Crest
http://www.wowwiki.com/Slayer%27s_Crest
http://www.wowwiki.com/Berserker%27s_Call

Zerker's call is considered the best DPS trinket in the game besides DST right now, just because of the sheer AP that you get. Yet, for 40 iLvls higher, it's not absurdly better than Slayer's Crest. You'd use zerker if you could, but the point stands.

[Trujungle]

First, welcome. Second, try taking the anagram "lol" out of your writing vocabulary. If you truly are laughing out loud as often as you type it, you probably finished that last post with stomach cramps and tears streaming out of your eyes. Third, do you seriously think you're one of five players in WoW that achieved legitimate S3 PvP gear? It's not very fair (or realistic) to think that tons of people have thousands of gold to spend on getting S3 gear ratings. Typically the people who can buy their way into S3 gear like that are raiders who have oodles of money from fast farming funded by their incredible gear.

And saying the Tier 4 trinket off of Gruul is best in game is pretty...brave.


Thanks for the smash on my anagrams that I use :P. That really has no bearing on what I am talking about. If you were to pvp as much as I have on my relm you would have great understanding of exactly how many people are win-trading power leveling or whatever else. I know at least 20 people on my server alone that I am pretty sure have done it. How do you explain a team where there people are where there S3 shoulders but only have gladiator gear :).

Also, I don't just say that it is the best trinket because it sounds like something fun to throw out. I have spent countless hours studying the arts of priest healing. Trying going to www.ElitistJerks.com

Look under priest section then go and pull up the priest healing spreadsheet. In order. Notice Eye of gruul is on there twice. One of which is for COH. Which is Circle of healing. The other is just for regular healing. So what I use when hitting COH is Eye of Gruul and Blue Dragon. If I am not I use my earring of soul meditation and blue dragon. I will post the other stuff if you guys would like,

Trinkets....
Eye of Gruul (CoH)---T4
Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon--Pre BC
Earring of Soulful Meditation---SSC
Memento of Tyrande
Essence of the Martyr
Bangle of Endless Blessings
Eye of the Dead
Figurine - Seaspray Albatross
Redeemer's Alchemist Stone
Tome of Diabolic Remedy
Scarab of the Infinite Cycle
Ribbon of Sacrifice
Pendant of the Violet Eye
Fel Reaver's Piston
Rejuvenating Gem
Lower City Prayerbook
Oshu'gun Relic
Battlemaster's Perseverance
Eye of Gruul (Normal)
Warp-Scarab Brooch
Figurine - Talasite Owl
Bangle of Endless Blessings - Regen
Vial of the Sunwell
Figurine - Crimson Serpent
Auslese's Light Channeler
Heavenly Inspiration
Warmth of Forgiveness
Alchemist's Stone
Bangle of Endless Blessings - Click
Shard of the Scale
Royal Seal of Eldre'Thalas
Second Wind



Just re-read that post and I sound kind of like an A$$ Sorry Gen. Just debating back. :)

[Trujungle]

Also my gear is not the best by far and I have over 10k gold. So saying they are high level people with money really is neither here nor there. Anyone can make money.

[GenocideAlive]

Money is a requirement for a lot of things in the game, and your personal experience doesn't speak for all of WoW. People at L70 with 10k gold are the vast miniority of WoW, and certainly those with all of S3 except head/shoulders as well. Knowing 20 people on a server doesn't account for the other 2000. Frankly if someone is willing to spend all the time it takes to farm up 10k gold, I think they can have their stupid fucking S3 equipment.

It's not real money, it's virtual items in a virtual game. I am all for skill based games and all, but honestly let's lose some of the nerd elitism, here. If they spend an hour each day for 3 months to make 9000 gold, let them buy their godforsaken gear by spending an hour every day after that getting 1000 points a week. I think that 3 mos. is plenty of hazing for that.

I think perhaps we take a little TOO much pride in these things.

[Trujungle]

Its not elitism at all. I was simply saying that you get a since of acomplishment for completing something like that. Which was my point to begin with. Should people get pissed about it no not really. Now did I get upset sometimes in pvp sure. The fact that I spent alot of time trying while other just jumped in and payed for a rasiting sucks. Nothing to cry about though.

There really is no reason to beef up on me like this though. I was only trying to have an opinion. You stated that saying a T4 trinket was the best is brave I just went right back on you with some datum.

[GenocideAlive]

If I am to understand you correctly by "beef up on me like this", you are claiming that I am aggressively questioning you. My apologies, but that is simply my posting style. I am somewhat caustic by nature, I have a higher standard and am easily frustrated. For instance, the plural of the Latin "datum" is "data", which you have misused. I am heartened, though, because at least you know the singular which is more than most. Either way, as I said, welcome.

[Neo]

dear god GA.

I love you, you know that, but geez; you know rogues, this guy apparently knows priests.

Oh, and FYI new guy: Please don't double post, use the edit button in the future, thanks.

At any rate, I love the discussions here. Not that I understand a damned thing, but it's nice to think I'll eventually get to that point.

-Neo

[GenocideAlive]

most you've got is 22 + 5 + 3 badges a week (kara, gruul's, and magtheridon
And I knew something was bothering me about this statement.

You can do as many heroics in a day as you can manage, and most give 4 badges each. The daily gives 2 bonus badges and 25g.

So more realistically, it's 22 + 24 assuming I do one heroic per day and kara instead on one day. Honestly doing Gruul and Mag is a waste of time unless you need the gear. The setup, fight explanation, and drama isn't worth the hassle, by any means.

[Trujungle]

No problem GA, I 100% agree that is a pain in the butt to do gruul and mags for such crap gear. Except Eye of gruul and dragonspine trophy. (Which droped for us lastnight). I do kara plus a heroic a day if I can sometimes 2 and I get about 60 badges a week. (Around that). I have already bought sunwell weapon and pants. 6 Nether vortexes and 2 epic gems :). So badges can be made and made fast.

[Sikawtic]

SSC is tier 5.

My 70 is currently what I call sleeping. He only gets up to make me money, otherwise I'm spending my time leveling a druid alt. My druid will probably be mostly pvp only, I'm rather sick of raiding.

After wrath hits I'll be one of the legion rolling a DK. After I try tanking in raids and etc I'll probably dink around until WAR comes out and switch to that.

I'm sick of trying so hard to get stuck with a guild I love, but one that cannot progress worth shit. I've been topping the DPS meter in KARA for like 8 months... this shit gets old.

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[GenocideAlive]

Meh, I feel your pain. My Warlock is basically waiting for Tier 6 content, my guild is stuck in Tier 5. I'm not sure why you elected to bold that SSC is tier 5, but whatever. Killing Kael Thas and Vashj are all we have left for BT and honestly half the raid is ready and the other half isn't. We're trying to get the other half geared, but I'm not even sure it matters. They're the "slow" people anyway, they always get killed on dumb shit and need help gearing / gemming because they have no fucking clue how to play their toon.

Not to mention that a lot of people are running around with non-epic gems for some reason that I cannot fathom. Given that you can make 100G+ a day in SSO dailies alone, I have no clue why people can't afford a 300G gem. I note your warlock is wearing Frozen Shadoweave...don't you have enough badges for badge gear (way better than Shadoweave)?

And as far as the guild bit goes, you're 100% right. I've been in world-class guilds and I've been in dinky guilds, and the dinky guilds are 100x more fun to be in, but when the raiding starts, you always want the world class guild. The one that can zero in on a problem as it's happening and deal with the situation. There's nothing worse than watching people die 100 yards away and having everybody say "I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened." Of course, the trade off is that the raiding guild is comprised of 75% assholes who are interested solely in getting loot.

Then there's the drama, which I swear is reason enough alone to avoid guilds...

[Sikawtic]

I used all my badges, first got orb of the soul eater and the pvp-oriented cloak from the shatt vendor before the new gal came out. I then spent my next bulk of badges on the new +hit ring and then quit raiding.

Therefore, no other new SSO badge items.

I bolded that SSC is tier 5 because you called it Tier 6 in your OP ;P

[GenocideAlive]

Regardless you need to ditch that shitty robe and get Scarlet Robes of the Sin'Dorei, and the Gloves of Arcane Acuity. Then after you've done that, you need to grab Tier 4 head and shoulders, so you can rock with the set bonus and the hit rating. I know you stopped raiding and all that, but that you can log on any given Saturday and type "LFG Mag / Gruul" and get a group, you pretty much are handed tier 4 shit.