What the hell? What's wrong with people!

[SilverCrusader]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/19/girl.beating.ap/index.html

No really wtf. Where one idiot goes, the rest are soon to follow.

[DarkMirror]

God damn retarded fucks. This is horrible.

[Dem0nS1ayer]

Wow, this is the dumbest shit ever. Do people really think they're cool by beating up other kids and posting it on the internet? It's fucking retarded.

[GrassDragon]

So is fourteen young enough or should they be charged as adults too?

[Biohazard]

GD: There's some kids in my town, two of which go to my High School that burned down a 300,000 dollar home and are being charged with up to six felonies and are being tried as adults. Two of them are 15 and one is 14. They're lucky a firefighter didn't die putting out the fire or they'd be charged with murder....

My view is, if you're sane (or old) enough to know what you're doing, committing an adult crime deserves adult punishment.

[SilverCrusader]

The 14 year old laughed while her sentence was being given to her. She needed a harsher punishment because apparently she didn't realize how bad of something she did do.

[GrassDragon]

My view is, if you're sane (or old) enough to know what you're doing, committing an adult crime deserves adult punishment.

See: http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=34707

I disagree.

[Lithium]

Not to derive from the topic at hand but:

is taping a fight at school legal?

I mean, I've done it once, and it was intervened by a teacher. What are the punishments for taping a fight between two people who just want to beat the stuffing out of each other? Could the tape be provided as evidence, or will they confiscate it and punish me?

Because one of my friends taped a brawl between 6 people and uploaded it on MySpace. It's still there.

[SilverCrusader]

Just to answer your question, yes it is legal to tape a video of it. But I bet the police will get a warrant and confiscate it as evidence.

[Magmaniac]

DEATH PENALTY FOR THEM ALL!!

They are horrible people and they are obviously adults because although scientists agree that mental properties are not done developing until your mid twenties, if they were able to throw a punch they are obviously competent and rational enough to be responsible for their actions as an adult. Plus, fixing their bad behavior is unimportant, we should just fuck up the rest of their lives and their families because their lives are worth less than everyone elses.

[DarkMirror]

I agree.

Death sentence for all!

[Toucan]

I agree Mag, they should be charged as adults, good to see your finally starting to understand the world around you.

I think its great to see more and more kids charged properly for their crimes, Im sick of seeing people have to pay for the actions of criminals. Its hight time for a zero tolerance approach with kids.

If you dont like the idea of doing the time, don't do the crime.
If they are soooo mentally handicapped that they could not understand what they where doing was wrong, then it is best that they are institutionalized anyway.
My 4 year old knows the police catch criminals, no 14 year old has an excuse.

[Magmaniac]

I agree Mag, they should be charged as adults, good to see your finally starting to understand the world around you.

I think its great to see more and more kids charged properly for their crimes, Im sick of seeing people have to pay for the actions of criminals. Its hight time for a zero tolerance approach with kids.

If you dont like the idea of doing the time, don't do the crime.
If they are soooo mentally handicapped that they could not understand what they where doing was wrong, then it is best that they are institutionalized anyway.
My 4 year old knows the police catch criminals, no 14 year old has an excuse.

Hint: I was being sarcastic.

It has nothing to do with whether or not they are mentally HANDICAPPED, it's that their brains are not developed to the points where there is even a possibility they could understand the world around them at an adult level.

[QuothTheRaven]

80% of the population are sheep, uneducated or just lacking a decent IQ. People caving into peer-pressure and societies reforms are pathetic and do not deserve the title sentient. I hope these people die in a fire, hmmmm..... then again we still need ditch diggers and military cannon fodder.

Is it fair a vast majority of the population is uneducated or have a low IQ count? No, but regardless of your emotional and sympathetic feeling towards them they are still sheep. I'm a realist, and in some cases an optimist. I used to look at people doing stupid shit and getting themselves killed like "OMG, how can anyone be that stupid." Now I'm like, good riddance. one less moron to pollute the gene pool with stupidity.

You know what hate? Euphemisms. A child isn't considered stupid until he's 18 or 21 whatever. "Well, he's just a little slow." or "Your child is marginally acceptable" " That's great news! My child isn't stupid! He's marginally acceptable! I'll think I'll tell all my family and friends." Gee I wonder where he gets it.

Look up the word Euphemisms before getting pissed and deciding you have to show me up by writing a smug response.

[Aqo]

it's that their brains are not developed to the points where there is even a possibility they could understand the world around them at an adult level.
I disagree, I had a perfect understanding of the world around me at age 12. It's true that my thinking has matured a lot since then, but I certainly understood the seriousness in committing violent crimes. If someone fails to understand it, they are not fit to be in a society.

80% of the population are sheep, uneducated or just lacking a decent IQ. People caving into peer-pressure and societies reforms are pathetic and do not deserve the title sentient. I hope these people die in a fire, hmmmm..... then again we still need ditch diggers and military cannon fodder.
Sarcasm aside, it's true that not everyone have the mental capacity to behave properly. While that is true, boundaries should be put, tolerance should only go so far... beating someone, after pre-planning it, is a crime no matter how you look at it. It wasn't a sudden quarrel, they brought people and a camera, it was a criminal act that was done by criminals, who should be treated as such.

[DNCMF036]

So you guys sayin' that majority of the world's population (the 80%) are bloodthirsty or stupid or something? Back at our place, students from the other school would just march up to our door and challenge us for a fight. A reason? I don't know any. But, we always outnumber them so no fight's happened so far.

[Schwitzer]

I also find it disturbing that the news article had a "Click here to watch the video" link in it.

80% of the population are sheep, uneducated or just lacking a decent IQ. People caving into peer-pressure and societies reforms are pathetic and do not deserve the title sentient. I hope these people die in a fire, hmmmm..... then again we still need ditch diggers and military cannon fodder.
And - let me guess - you belong to the elite 20%, wherever that statistic came from.

[SilverCrusader]

Most likely 50% of the people here probably are in the top 20% elite in our world.

BTW, what IQ is considered elite?

[Faiien]

I think it's safe to say if you see a bunch of girls with a video camera you better gtfo.
No doubt this will probably get blamed on youtube, and myspace, and video games rather than the parents. Tried as adults ploxz.

[IrishDutchman]

80% of the population are sheep, uneducated or just lacking a decent IQ. People caving into peer-pressure and societies reforms are pathetic and do not deserve the title sentient. I hope these people die in a fire, hmmmm..... then again we still need ditch diggers and military cannon fodder.


Though I more or less agree that there are a lot of dum people in this world, being an elitist prick is even worse. If you really mean what you're saying, you're deranged, and if you're trying to be funny, you failed. You also pulled that statistic out of your ass.

[Vhaeraun]

Hint: I was being sarcastic.
Hint: I think he was too. Either that, or he didn't care about your sarcasm.

80% of the population are sheep, uneducated or just lacking a decent IQ. People caving into peer-pressure and societies reforms are pathetic and do not deserve the title sentient. I hope these people die in a fire, hmmmm..... then again we still need ditch diggers and military cannon fodder.
And what might I ask counts as a 'decent' IQ? 100? 120? Be moar specific if you play to rattle off senselessness.

You know what hate? Euphemisms. A child isn't considered stupid until he's 18 or 21 whatever. "Well, he's just a little slow." or "Your child is marginally acceptable" " That's great news! My child isn't stupid! He's marginally acceptable! I'll think I'll tell all my family and friends." Gee I wonder where he gets it.

Look up the word Euphemisms before getting pissed and deciding you have to show me up by writing a smug response.

You stole the euphemism thing from George carlin, with slight modification in the wording.

[Aqo]

If all people whose IQ is lower than 100 (assuming IQ was a more accurate measurement than it really is and we had a perfect measuring system for it) were banished to one area of the world, and all the rest to another, you'd create an utopia. But is that moral? Is it? Does it depend on who you ask?
Instead of that, it's better to just judge people based on their actions. Screw roundabout details, like age. I think people should be judged just and only based on their behavior.
A 14 year old clearly knows that violence is bad. There's no question about it. If that 14 yr-old planned a crime in order to entertain thyself, that person deserves a punishment regardless of their age.

[Toucan]

No one is talking about treating all underage offenders as adults, however violent offenders that place innocent people at risk because of their violent behavior need to be treated differently.
It isn't fair for innocent and non-violent people to be placed at risk by known violent offenders simply because they are under 18.
They are old enough, large enough and strong enough to pose a very real threat.
They are old enough to face the consequences if they choose to be violent, to the point they plan the choice hours or even days in advance.

[GenocideAlive]

What I really enjoy is that people railing against their being tried as adults don't actually have an argument. Unless, of course, you count a link to a discussion featuring girls who are 4 years older or a 200 word paragraph of sarcasm as arguments. The funny part is that you feel like your emotional outbursts are these empowered, meaningful things that other people should heed. Try coming up with something of substance, instead of what for all appearances looks like teenaged hormones.

[Giggilyomeromicon]

What I really enjoy is that people railing against their being tried as adults don't actually have an argument. Unless, of course, you count a link to a discussion featuring girls who are 4 years older or a 200 word paragraph of sarcasm as arguments. The funny part is that you feel like your emotional outbursts are these empowered, meaningful things that other people should heed. Try coming up with something of substance, instead of what for all appearances looks like teenaged hormones.

No your wrong, but I don't think I have to prove you wrong because I know I'm right.

[Aqo]

No your wrong, but I don't think I have to prove you wrong because I know I'm right.
Why does this sentence feel familiar *wink wink*

[Giggilyomeromicon]

Why does this sentence feel familiar *wink wink*

Way to be a grammar nazi there.

[SilverCrusader]

Dude you got pwned. You just got fucking pwned.
Thats a gg no re.
His pointing out your grammar mistake renders your argument invalid.

[Giggilyomeromicon]

Dude you got pwned. You just got fucking pwned.
Thats a gg no re.
His pointing out your grammar mistake renders your argument invalid.

I can't tell what point your trying to make by this display of sarcasm.

[Aqo]

Way to be a grammar nazi there.
No, that's totally not what I meant. You phail at seeing my line of thought. The underlined text is unrelated to what I wrote below, it refers to the entire sentence.

Dude you got pwned. You just got fucking pwned.
Thats a gg no re.
His pointing out your grammar mistake renders your argument invalid.
What the fuck man, seriously, what, the, fuck?

[GrassDragon]

They are old enough to face the consequences if they choose to be violent, to the point they plan the choice hours or even days in advance.

You can charge them as adults if you want, but if they are old enough to get those kinds of punishments, they should be old enough to enjoy adult priveleges as well, including drinking, smoking, driving, sex with who ever they want, access to pornography, etc.

[Lithium]

You can charge them as adults if you want, but if they are old enough to get those kinds of punishments, they should be old enough to enjoy adult priveleges as well, including drinking, smoking, driving, sex with who ever they want, access to pornography, etc.

Good Point, GD. Although I think most teenagers already have access to porn and drinking. =]

I mean, seriously, most of my friends have porn on every electronic gadget they have. And I can drink whatever I want when my parents aren't home. =]

[3Vee]

I don't know, this whole series of stupidity is reminding me in a bad way of Farenheit 451 (did I manage to spell that wrong?) - the bit where you've got teenagers running around doing stupid/violent stuff in cars because they've got nothing better to do and no reason to look for something better either.

What I'm getting at is, these kids need serious punishment or correctional instruction (I'm staying out of the which-is-better discussion), but we maybe need to look at other things too that influence them to think this sort of stuff is ok.

[SilverCrusader]

You can charge them as adults if you want, but if they are old enough to get those kinds of punishments, they should be old enough to enjoy adult priveleges as well, including drinking, smoking, driving, sex with who ever they want, access to pornography, etc.
Well too bad life isn't fair.

[Protogod]

Kill 'em. Overpopulation + retards = expendability.

We'll make more than enough of these donkeyfucks to make upf or this "tragic loss", assuming anyone actually puts these harpies in their place (6 feet under)

I'm entirely serious. I hate people. I dont care if they are young, there's no reason to keep them alive.

[Lithium]

Wow, if I could compare Protogod to anyone, it would probably be Kim Jong Il. No, seriously, he scares me.

[Protogod]

Wow, if I could compare Protogod to anyone, it would probably be Kim Jong Il. No, seriously, he scares me.


It's just that people give these kids the excuse of being young. How many of you did this when you were young? This isnt normal. This isnt at all acceptable.

This is sickening and vicious. Something is seriously wrong with these kids, regardless of how old they are. I'm sure everyone here knew not to do this when they were 14. That's probably because we arent retarded and/or mentally unstable to the point where we are a danger to others.

I don't care if they are young, they fucked up. They don't even have to be killed, but they damn well better pay some very serious consequences. This is absurd.

[QuothTheRaven]

Most likely 50% of the people here probably are in the top 20% elite in our world.

BTW, what IQ is considered elite?
IQ is simply how fast you learn and how well your brain is developed, absolutely useless without proper education.

I also find it disturbing that the news article had a "Click here to watch the video" link in it.


And - let me guess - you belong to the elite 20%, wherever that statistic came from.
There are whole countries with many individuals with little to no education and a rotting government. There are shitload of 3rd world countries in case you haven't noticed. Yes and no I belong that 20%, I have a decent IQ but in case you haven't noticed I'm 18 and haven't completed college yet. Let's break that up further because I didn't mentioned what that 20% was divided into. Moderately intelligent individuals with/or/and decent education, and highly intelligent individuals with/or/and high level of education.

So you guys sayin' that majority of the world's population (the 80%) are bloodthirsty or stupid or something? Back at our place, students from the other school would just march up to our door and challenge us for a fight. A reason? I don't know any. But, we always outnumber them so no fight's happened so far.
Never said bloodthirsty or implied it. Yes a very great deal of people are stupid and never had the willpower to amount anything. A man with a 100 IQ is very unlikely to become a physicist, college professor, or rocket scientist.
Though I more or less agree that there are a lot of dum people in this world, being an elitist prick is even worse. If you really mean what you're saying, you're deranged, and if you're trying to be funny, you failed. You also pulled that statistic out of your ass.
Elite prick, snob, asshole, paper pusher, number cruncher, ass-kisser, dictator, racist, and multiple other titles created by lesser educated members of society as ways of demeaning the mentally more complex beings of their stature to make themselves feel better about their little niche in the world's structure. I'm not trying to be funny ether, and yes more or less I did pull that statistic out of my ass. More likely an estimate of what I've seen, experienced, read, or heard about the bulk of humanities's example of intelligence. Do I consider myself better than the rest of the world? Depends on who you compare me to and on which quality of attributes. For example, my grammar and vocabulary are not perfect thus suffer multiple editing with unsatisfiable results. I'm am nether a body builder or cross country athlete, but I am also not obese and lazy.

Hiss, groan, whine, complain block me. I just feel like I'm in a debate crazed form of trolling. For example, I baited many people with my post knowing they would get pissed and try to tell me how much of a stuck up self-superior snob I am in a formal or informal post.

For example, if I posted adults with imaginary friends are pathetic with a picture of a cross included many Christians would get butt hurt and shout death threats, post how much they pitied my soul, the wrath of hell will consume you or some other form of irrational anger induced response. If I baited people by posting racial slurs such as fruit, cra****, nig***, or bea*** I bet in the first 5 minutes somebody would post death threats followed by a forum ban. That would be too crude for my taste.

I'm not saying I never fall for anything in fact I've been baited several times and quite possibly being baited right now. Anyways I'm tired and going to collapse shorty.

[IrishDutchman]

Well too bad life isn't fair.

But we as a society should try to make it as fair as possible. Isn't that kinda the whole point of law & punishment?

[Magmaniac]

It's just that people give these kids the excuse of being young. How many of you did this when you were young? This isnt normal. This isnt at all acceptable.

This is sickening and vicious. Something is seriously wrong with these kids, regardless of how old they are. I'm sure everyone here knew not to do this when they were 14. That's probably because we arent retarded and/or mentally unstable to the point where we are a danger to others.

I don't care if they are young, they fucked up. They don't even have to be killed, but they damn well better pay some very serious consequences. This is absurd.


There have always been groups of kids who have bullied other kids and occasionally beat the shit out of someone to reaffirm their reputation as badasses and bullies amongst their peers. The things that we have been seeing in the media lately are not new phenomenons, it's just that with the new technologies available (handheld camcorders, internet, etc.) they can distribute word of their physical dominance over the others in their community far more effectively than by word of mouth. The drawback is that the videos allow them to be caught more easily. Without the videos it is usually a my word vs. theirs type of argument when it comes to punishment. The other drawback is that they probably take beating to a little more extreme level to make it more graphic for the people who see the video, because they cannot get the exaggeration that comes from the word of mouth system.

Well too bad life isn't fair.
You dirty capitalist scum. >:O
Everyone deserves fair treatment. Everyone.

[Aqo]

You can charge them as adults if you want, but if they are old enough to get those kinds of punishments, they should be old enough to enjoy adult priveleges as well, including drinking, smoking, driving, sex with who ever they want, access to pornography, etc.
Everyone deserves fair treatment. Everyone.
So if someone hurts others, it's fair to give them the same rights as someone who doesn't hurt others?

[Toucan]

The drawback is that the videos allow them to be caught more easily. Without the videos it is usually a my word vs. theirs type of argument when it comes to punishment.
Exactly!
How do you give some one the benefit of the doubt when you have a video of them in the act?

I agree that prison may not be the best place for them, but its better for them to be in jail than anyone else have to suffer their violence.
They messed up and messed up big.

[GenocideAlive]

Everyone deserves fair treatment. Everyone.
How about the people you've robbed and subsequently justify your behavior by saying that you "have a rilly rilly hard job and have suffered very much bad"? It sounds to me like your stance is "everybody deserves fair treatment, except people of privilege." This is only supported by the fact that you denigrate capitalism with your next statement.

You valiantly come to the side of thugs and thieves, but you shrink from such overt material greed as capitalism (except when it's you "car shopping", then it's OK). I think it's pretty much common knowledge by now that basically the only aspect of WB in which you excel is being a pointless smartass.

As for GD's repetition of his baseless mantra, I will construct a smaller summary of a retort since you seem to avoid any discussion that doesn't cater to your blinders.

Unthinking emotional children are not capable of gang beatings of their peers in elaborate pretexts. There is no reliable way to determine whether or not a person is of the adult mindset to execute such a crime unless they actually go through with it. Once they have done so, they forego protection of a child's position in court and the privileges of an adult simultaneously.

IF A = B AND A = C THEN B = C fallacies (Fallacy of the Undistributed Middle) describes your argument perfectly, if you even care that your tearful feelings blatantly defy basic logic. Your argument in short is: if they're committing adult crimes, then they can be considered an adult. Adults get privileges. Thus, these criminals should receive adult privileges.

This sort of defies common sense, people that are too irresponsible to properly control their adult behavior shouldn't receive increased powers of based on their already proven flawed judgment.

[Frattimonde]

People are sick. Period.

[Magmaniac]

How about the people you've robbed and subsequently justify your behavior by saying that you "have a rilly rilly hard job and have suffered very much bad"? It sounds to me like your stance is "everybody deserves fair treatment, except people of privilege." This is only supported by the fact that you denigrate capitalism with your next statement.

You valiantly come to the side of thugs and thieves, but you shrink from such overt material greed as capitalism (except when it's you "car shopping", then it's OK). I think it's pretty much common knowledge by now that basically the only aspect of WB in which you excel is being a pointless smartass.


You talk about logical fallacies after trying to disprove me by making a personal attack against me and putting words in my mouth.
Why don't you pull your head out of your ass for once, GA? I'm pretty sure everyone here is sick of you going around flaming away at everyone like you're better than them and tooting your own horn.

[WarInSerbia]

Stupid kids,they think that they can be famous by becoming more then average...who came up with the idea of 8v1 fights?They must have some sort of inspiration...

[Lithium]

Stupid kids,they think that they can be famous by becoming more then average...who came up with the idea of 8v1 fights?They must have some sort of inspiration...

Nature did. Ever wonder why wolves always hunt in packs to kill one animal?

[Kingscrab]

I'm pretty sure everyone here is sick of you going around flaming away at everyone like you're better than them and tooting your own horn. I'm not.

Bottom line: People that go out of their way to display the crimes they commit should be beaten with a stick on principle alone. WooWoo! Look at me! I am commiting crime!!!! I am cool!

Yeah, that means you too.

[TheOutcast]

Nature did. Ever wonder why wolves always hunt in packs to kill one animal?
Ever wonder why a gang of 8 people are beating the shit out of one helpless 12-year old for fun?

Don't forget that wolves hunt other animals to survive.

[GenocideAlive]

You talk about logical fallacies after trying to disprove me by making a personal attack against me and putting words in my mouth.
Remarking that your behavior and proclivities incline you towards sympathy with criminals because you identify with them is not a personal attack on you, Mag. It is a simple observation that rings a little too true for your taste, apparently. Your reply could be considered a personal attack, however. Regardless, I'm not as rattled at your attempts at emotional stabbings as you are by a little insight into your own character.

[Lithium]

Ever wonder why a gang of 8 people are beating the shit out of one helpless 12-year old for fun?

Don't forget that wolves hunt other animals to survive.

Same basic principle. Strength in numbers, only the strongest will survive.

I would have to agree with you, though. Harming another being for fun is stupid and unforgivable.

[Leosam096]

Harming another being for fun is stupid and unforgivable.
They should be taken into juvenile hall. It isn't a lack of IQ or education to set up a 12 year old girl just so you can tape here and there and bring your friends to join in the brawl. Their definition of fun is a crime - they deserve more than just being institutionalized.

[RavenCrusade]

Sick. Simply sick.
I'm afraid I'm going have to agree with QuothTheRaven partially here. Estimating (of course), 80% of the world's population will never receive a proper education, probably more than that in reality. This leaves 20% with decent-to-exceptional ranged education so: yes, the 20% are better than the 80%, if only because the 80% do not have to option to find a way into the 20%. The majority of the world's population has received no formal education what so ever. So yes, in terms of intellect, we who make up the 20% (which goes for virtually everyone on Warboards) are better, in that sense. As QTR already stated, anyone from this 80% has potential to be smarter, but for the most part they never get the chance. I'm sure most of the people in the top 1% are less physically capable as most of the 80%, but QTR wasn't saying we were all-around better, just smarter.
Face facts, the majority of the world is in poverty and will never accomplish much. As sad as it is, it is reality. If anyone has a plan to get rid of this let me know, but it is fact.

Of course, all this is besides the point. These kids should have known not to do this. Sure, they're kids, kids do stupid shit, but we should punish them for hurtful-and-cruel-shit-for-fun instead of letting them walk away because they are younger. If a four year old, or even a twelve year old finds a gun and somehow shoots a man, they don't deserve it, but this was Pre-Meditated Assault.

[TheOutcast]

Same basic principle. Strength in numbers, only the strongest will survive.

I would have to agree with you, though. Harming another being for fun is stupid and unforgivable.
True, people who gang-beat helpless people are pathetic.