WoW: 4 teh Epic Lewts?

[GenocideAlive]

Last night while raiding Karazhan, this came up several times with a Mage I'll call Baldmage. That was his actual name, but it made for a better introductory line that way. Anyway, everything was going fine with this guy, until we drop Romeo and Juliet. When we hit the pair and down them, they drop Trial Fire Trousers. Epic Pants, two Yellows, 40/40. Nice lock pants.

He rolls on them, and wins. What's he wearing? Kirin-Tor Master's Trousers. Three gem slots. What am I wearing? An L69 blue from Durnholde. Um, wtf? His response is that those pants are clearly bettar, and that he has just as much right to roll on them as me and I'm a retard. So he now has two pairs of epic pants, and I have a blue L69.

Little later down the road, a pair of gloves drops. Some newb with a blue rolls, I say you can has. MAGE ROLLS AGAIN, WINS. He's already wearing a pair of epic gloves, again. I try to roll to ninja them from the mage, but my roll was worse than the newb's roll. He wins a pair of epic gloves to swap out with the ones he's wearing, on a fight in which he died 3 times (Nightbane). Rezzers just stopped rezzing him, because there was no point, he'd literally die in the next Rain of Bones.

Finally, we get to prince. Prince drops one Tier 4 helm for Mage / Lock / Hunter. Hunter says, "you can have, I've already got". I say, "Thanks." MAGE ROLLS AGAIN. He is wearing an epic helm. I'm fucking blown away by this dude's gall.

This begs the question. When is enough, enough? When are people happy with their gear, and look forward to simply running instances, and when are people obsessed with owning two of everything in the game? I primarily run kara for gear--badges are a definite plus if I don't get anything. But when you're epic'd out and rolling for everything that drops for your class...wtf?

What's with people being so fucking greedy with stuff that they barely, if at all, need? I want good gear, but I'm not going to cockblock someone for it. Can anybody else relate similar events? What'd you do?

I'm told you can report loot ninjas (like Hunters that roll for Mage eq, etc). Anybody ever do this?

[Anoiktos]

Get a guild that doesn't let this crap happen.
In my guild, we have a guild leader. We call him the 'Tyrant'. Yeah, we do loot rolls, but if crap like this happened, it would stop after the *first* roll, and no more would be spoken about it. Except maybe in the form of '[mage] has left the guild'.

If you really want to piss him off, if he's in the group when the Lightning Capacitator drops, roll against him and win, then say you're 'Going Destro'.

Also, what gloves dropped? Only the T4 gloves can I see replacing any other epic gloves you can get up to Kara in kara.

[StealthyDeath]

If this was a guild run, I believe the mage should have passed it to you since it benefits the guild. However if you are running a pickup group then there should have been rules set before hand on loot. In my opinion, he was being greedy to have taken the loot if it was obvious that your gear was worse.

Obviously some people at end game play for the loot and it can be denied as much as someone wants but in the end, the game comes down to loot. It is like a shiny new toy, if they have chance to get it, they will want it. If the desire of want is greater than the need of others then he was just plain greedy.

You can report loot ninjas all you want but Blizzard will not do anything. Only the group leader at that time can report loot problems and the affected parties have to agree that the loot was distrupted wrongly.

[WarInSerbia]

You can report loot ninjas all you want but Blizzard will not do anything. Only the group leader at that time can report loot problems and the affected parties have to agree that the loot was distrupted wrongly.
There are no rules for ninja looting?
So how should we defend ourselves against these pests.

ps:Maybe he is a enchanter?Karazhan has good enchant stuff,maybe he needed it for disenchanting (void crystal)?

[Neo]

I'm confused, if it was so obvious that he was pulling this bullshit, why didn't your group leader kick him out of the group?

Especially after the fight where he was dieing constantly.

-Neo

[Vhaeraun]

ps:Maybe he is a enchanter?Karazhan has good enchant stuff,maybe he needed it for disenchanting (void crystal)?
So he rolled need over someone who genuinely needed it in order to DE it? That'd be an auto party kick to me.

[GenocideAlive]

I have Gloves of Arcane Acuity. They are as good, if not better, than Tier 4 gloves for Warlock. Spell hit and spell damage make a powerful combo. I already have 2 piece set bonus, so there's no real impetus for getting more (4 piece is ass).

The reason that he wasn't kicked from group is because he was a mage, and the only one in the group. We were running a pug Kara, so of course his damage looked great as we smashed through small mobs. Spike damage for 1000dps is great! But then during big bossfights his damage looked much worse, at 600-700dps. For trashmobs that drop in 10-15s, I can't even get a round of DoTs to expire, my DPS is horrid. For the bossfights, I'm 800-900 DPS.

Plus, he was on Vent, and I'm not particularly keen on listening to random idiots keying mics all over the place. I typically refuse Vent interaction in non-guild situations.

As for the guy saying "BLIZZ DOES NUTHING FOR LOOT NINJA", I have heard differently.

[Maegtelluma]

Blizzard won't do anything about ninja loot. The only occasion in which I have ever heard of them intervening is when GC stole an entire guild's gbank and transferred - even then, I think they only restored it so he couldn't sell the stuff and it was a prominent guild. We had a Deathcharger's Reins ninja back before BC, I spoke to a GM for 3+ hours and it went nowhere.

As far as that kind of asshole in a kara run, I'd drop him. It's not hard to find subs for Karazhan on arthas, it doesn't sound like he's anything special and it was clear what he was doing from the start. We had the same thing happen once with a retarded warrior who rolled on stuff like The Decapitator when he was MS spec with a s3 weapon, took tanking gear over a prot pally, generally sucked as a dpser. We couldn't boot him because he had 3 other guildmates in the run, but in any other scenario he'd be gone that quickly.

[Trujungle]

Wow that sucks. Honestly blizz wouldn't do to much. I have seen it before the only thing they will help on is if someone messed and bought the wrong set peice or gave wrong loot before. However by that time you are done with the run when they show up lol.

Seriously though, what I would have done is make sure it was set to master looter then let the master looter give the loot. Or you could have went in there agreeing that everyone is priv to 1 epic drop throughout the raid. If more drops and no one needs it then it is thiers for the taking. Oh and another good thing is don't pug :P

[ScottieIWU]

The reason that he wasn't kicked from group is because he was a mage, and the only one in the group. We were running a pug Kara, so of course his damage looked great as we smashed through small mobs. Spike damage for 1000dps is great! But then during big bossfights his damage looked much worse, at 600-700dps. For trashmobs that drop in 10-15s, I can't even get a round of DoTs to expire, my DPS is horrid. For the bossfights, I'm 800-900 DPS.I piss 1000 dps.

Seriously though, for some people T6 is the ultimate end. Next time, have a pally bop you while you spam SOC to aoe anything down. Warlock AoE is more useful in Kara than any mage aoe (esp on Illhoof) and there's no CC that anybody gets from a mage in Kara.

Also, I'd suggest that for future pugs, if the raid leader leaves it on group loot you leave the run as soon as somebody does that. Master looter may seem like its ripe with a lot more chance for drama, but in reality with master looter unless you purposely ninja or make a HUGE mistake items go where they are deserved. Loot rules can be set up ahead of time and /roll can solve the issue. If a person does what this mage did, you just don't give the loot to him.

took tanking gear over a prot pallyLast time I checked, prot-warrior gear was kind of weak compared to prot pally gear, even in Kara. You still need some of the stats, yes, but that gear can potentially see far greater use with someone who doesn't also need +dmg to tank.

Edit: I forgot to tell my story.

I was running Kara sometime last year during the summer (probably late July early August time) when my guild was doing Opera. I was the only hunter in the guild who raided, I was always topping DPS or second (to someone who later ended up beating me in DPS even up through T6 content) and I was there every raid fully prepared and had helped this guild to down every boss through Shade.

When Legacy drops, I want to roll when the GM tells me that "You have too many purples." She gave the loot to a ret pally in BG honor gear (not even arena gear) who already had an epic weapon. I was pissed. That night I apped a different guild, got accepted and left. My revenge was had when in February I got Halberd of Desolation, linked it to my ex-GM and proceeded to say "Guess I don't need Legacy after all."

I will point out that despite having gone back for everything I could ever need out of Kara, including getting Wolfslayer the first time I went in needing it (and I still use it) I have only seen Legacy drop that ONE time on my hunter. My druid saw it but it wouldn't do her much good. Either way, my revenge was so sweet.

[WarInSerbia]

Yea ninja looters deserve to die...
How we solved a problem with our tank ninja?
We were doing grull.So he is prot (I repeat prot),we killed the first boss (the mauler guy) the raid leader set it to be group loot.Our tank which had t6 parts from hyjal,mace from supremus and his shield (yes the healing shield).He rolled greed on EVERYTHING.What realy pissed me off that he took the hammer of the narru,he told us that he also has dps gear -_-,he also took some cloth stuff.

So it comes all to the next boss :),we got to it and the raid leader told him to get aggro :D,when he got agro we didnt heal him and kicked him from the raid :D.

The next solution is to master loot and probably the most effective.Also NEVER invite horde hunters in to illidan...I dont know why but it seems that hunters have the most chances of rolling the highest for warglaives :confused:,fucking ninjas

[Vhaeraun]

The next solution is to master loot and probably the most effective.Also NEVER invite horde hunters in to illidan...I dont know why but it seems that hunters have the most chances of rolling the highest for warglaives :confused:,fucking ninjas
If you have it set to masterloot, you can deny the hunter's roll. Why the fuck would you give the warglaive to someone who can't use it (Seems to me it's Warrior and Rogue only)

[RavenCrusade]

I think he was reffering to if you can not get your group leader to change it to master loot. Though, if that's the case, you probably wouldn't be able to stop your leader from inviting a hunter anyways.

[ScottieIWU]

(Seems to me it's Warrior and Rogue only)It is.

Part of me wonders. Warinserbia, do you still play on a pirated server? I have a hard time taking anything you say seriously with this lingering feeling in my mind that you still do.

[WarInSerbia]

It is.

Part of me wonders. Warinserbia, do you still play on a pirated server? I have a hard time taking anything you say seriously with this lingering feeling in my mind that you still do.

Well I am,but on a x1 fully scripted blizzlike server.A total copy of it.Even the mobs run when they run low on health,thats the most anoying part of leveling :confused:,now please no more talking about private (kong's illegal) servers,I'l get baned (again...)
I think he was reffering to if you can not get your group leader to change it to master loot. Though, if that's the case, you probably wouldn't be able to stop your leader from inviting a hunter anyways. yea the leadder set it on group loot and the hunter GOT both warglaives.Ubernoob...

[Vhaeraun]

Well I am,but on a x1 fully scripted blizzlike server.A total copy of it.Even the mobs run when they run low on health,thats the most anoying part of leveling :confused:,now please no more talking about private (kong's illegal) servers,I'l get baned (again...)
yea the leadder set it on group loot and the hunter GOT both warglaives.Ubernoob...

If you were stupid enough to stay in group when someone had it on group loot in BLACK TEMPLE, you seriously deserve to have the glaives ninja'ed.

I don't mean to be rude, but honestly now. Group loot and end game content never blend well.

[WarInSerbia]

I don't mean to be rude, but honestly now. Group loot and end game content never blend well.
Yes thats why we dont group loot anymore on bosses...

If you were stupid enough to stay in group when someone had it on group loot in BLACK TEMPLE, you seriously deserve to have the glaives ninja'ed.
I'm a prot pally,everywhere.

[ScottieIWU]

yea the leadder set it on group loot and the hunter GOT both warglaives.Ubernoob...I hate to be that guy, but if you didn't play on "private" (i.e. illegal) servers, you probably would have a lot less problems because you'd be in a guild using an established dkp or loot council system for end-game content.

Not to mention people would probably know how to play and read an item that says: Classes: Warrior, Rogue.

Also, continuing to hate being that guy, but I also kind of don't take seriously the end-game raiding on a private server, seeing as you can easily nerf those counters to little more than a 15 minute long 5-man boss. I could be wrong, and you could just be running with the best groups ever, but prot pallies don't usually make it far in BT.

I mean seriously, I've been raiding seriously since August and am now in a guild that is clearing Shahraz etc. It takes time, effort and coordination and from the sounds of it, you're pugging BT. Which just brings into question how that's even possible unless the bosses were nerfed.

[WarInSerbia]

I know how the blizz's servers work.A friend told me.He is a hunter (night elf) I think.He plays in ghostlands realm.

He explained to me very detaily how everything goes,from running creeps on leveling.To Voidreaver.

[Neo]

I know how the blizz's servers work.A friend told me.He is a hunter (night elf) I think.He plays in ghostlands realm.

He explained to me very detaily how everything goes,from running creeps on leveling.To Voidreaver.

I'm going to ask you to stop bringing up illegal servers. The fact is that, if you can't afford to play WoW on the official servers (ie: one $30 card seriously, to much for you?) then you don't really get to comment on any sort of gameplay-related things to WoW.

I love private servers as much as the next guy, but Blizzard has actually done a really good job with WoW, which surprised me. It's not as if they are Gravity and treat the us servers like bastard step children. RO is one thing, but WoW?

It's fine and all that you play on a private server, however it is both illegal to run and illegal to play on them. So unless (or untill) you join us on the official servers, build a character, and go raiding, then I would kindly suggest you back off.

Even though I don't raid at all, I can tell it's a pretty serious thing people do in WoW, and having someone like you say "well on this server I play on illegally...." or "well my hunter friend told me all about it!!!1" -- seriously. That's your defense?

Try it for yourself.

Besides, as soon as WotLK comes out you'll be sol, unless these private server emulation have some guy on the inside leaking them code. which is doubtful.

-Neo

[RavenCrusade]

There must be. My brother frequents private servers and the developer of the Ascent Emulater Core had 2.4 and 2.4.1 on the days they were released, respectively. He's also refusing to let any other Private Server have access to these cores, so it's possible Private Servers are now going to decline rapidly.

ANYWAYS, back on subject; I used to have a 70 on Alliance, but when I switched factions, I deleted it. I didn't raid much on him, but when I did I always used Loot master. A bit of a hassle, but well worth it. Atleast, that's what I found out when I tried running the lower instances with other loot types. Ninja this, ninja that.

P.S: There's actually a WoW-TCG card called 'Nynjah', a troll rogue who's special ability apparantly lets you steal equipment from your opponent. Got to love Blizzard. :P

[Dayoh]

On the topic of Private servers with 2.4 there are some servers with it and some without, someones going to get some money outta it :P.

I'm going to ask you to stop bringing up illegal servers. The fact is that, if you can't afford to play WoW on the official servers (ie: one $30 card seriously, to much for you?) then you don't really get to comment on any sort of gameplay-related things to WoW.


I have to agree, you bring up private servers alot. Although there is something im unclear off so if someone bought WoW legally and played on a private server is that illegal, iv been informed it isnt.

I dont see how it can be, since we are paying to play on there servers UNLESS its stated in the End user agreement.

[WarInSerbia]

I said before dont talk about it !we'l discuss about it either in my profile or pm's.

Besides, as soon as WotLK comes out you'll be sol, unless these private server emulation have some guy on the inside leaking them code. which is doubtful.
In wrath of the lich king they will remove the realmllist.wtf file so no1 can change servers.Thats what I heard at least.

[ScottieIWU]

I said before dont talk about it !we'l discuss about it either in my profile or pm's.Seeing as the only server we know of that you play on is a private server, you simply talking about WoW is pretty much acknowledging that you do so.

[Neo]

I'm actually hoping with Wrath that they change more then just basic stuff. I've really fallen in love with various addons, and I've often wondered why they can't be even more streamlined, or things that make since (ie: Bagnon or other simple things) can just be built-in to WoW.

Blizzard seems to do that occasionally, but really, the default interface for wow is surprisingly lacking.

I mean, hell, the default wow interface offers damn near no support for raids at all.

Anywho. I don't want to say I'm anti-private servers, because I'm guilty of using them for games like RO and other foreign-first games (eg: they may have "english servers" but they get ignored/get content months, and even a year or so after the main servers get it)... I just think you shouldn't get to sit there and start commenting on raiding and wow stuff when the truth is that you don't really play WoW anyway.

-Neo

[Dayoh]

just think you shouldn't get to sit there and start commenting on raiding and wow stuff when the truth is that you don't really play WoW anyway.


LOL thats a bit harsh, most of the private servers are "blizz-like" exactly the same as the ones Blizzard offers, most of them have all the scripted instances/raids fully working, hell its the same game just playing it somewhere else lol

[Neo]

I believe that it's the players that make wow what it is -- more then the "Scripted battles" -- if only like 30-50 people play on a private server, how can it compare to the official realms in anyway?

What fun is it to play on a PVP server if theres only ever like 4 people on average? :P

-Neo

[Dayoh]

I believe that it's the players that make wow what it is -- more then the "Scripted battles" -- if only like 30-50 people play on a private server, how can it compare to the official realms in anyway?

What fun is it to play on a PVP server if theres only ever like 4 people on average? :P


pretty much all the private servers have one thousand or more players, if they were only getting four users why would bother continueing to maintain the server?

I can pull some stats :P

[WarInSerbia]

Why dont they make a DotA like battleground?
I know only that a new bg will be in wrath of the lich king where you have your own siege machines...

pretty much all the private servers have one thousand or more players,
Not 1 has had over 1000 players at one point online,on meh realm there are usualy 120 -160 online players,now back to the topic.
How can we stop ninja looters!?

[Dayoh]

Not 1 has had over 1000 players at one point online

Do u want me too pull some statistics?

on meh realm there are usualy 120 -160 online players

The one my friends on has 900 players, that exact server has reached 1000 players, it has a limit of 980 players now.

How can we stop ninja looters!?
Whats the point of trying to stop them, u cant; you can only roll against them making you a ninja in the end... I dont even think the term ninja can be used in WoW, in Diablo 2 it can.

A ninja is someone who stays out of the battles and runs in for the loot, Needing something you dont need is unfair play, its hardly against any rules, the need option is there so why not use it.

It all comes down to players morals.

Also WiS, i was sticking up for you earlier then you continue the debate against me, wow good one lol

[GenocideAlive]

Your logic is more backwards and senseless than believable. First you lambaste people for saying "ninja looting" is earned no matter what. Then you say that there's no such thing as ninja looting. Then you say it all comes down to morals, implying it's amoral (which is an acknowlegment of its existence).

Your comparison to DII is even corrupt and senseless. You can avoid ninjas in DII by simply putting a password on your game, and regardless all bosses in every difficulty were soloable. In WoW, every instance REQUIRES at least four other people in order to complete. Any act to disclude someone from looting is just as asshole is ninja looting.

In DII, all items were tradeable and therefore useful to anyone. They could provide equal worth gold, equipment, etc. to outfit their character. In WoW, if a Rogue rolls Need on a pair of plate shoulders, he gains nothing but a token 10g gold from vendor, or something to DE if he's Enchanting. The value to a Warrior or Paladin would be sky-high; they couldn't buy equivalents for 400g at a vendor. Yet this isn't wrong to put your 10g above someone else's >400g?

Bringing up "the rules" as a measure of morality is a blatant fallacy. Blizzard has chosen the rules they have because it's too difficult to mediate disputes, not because they don't care about loot ninjas or refuse to recognize their existence. I could keep going, but honestly I burn a lot of time proving people wrong only to have them further retreat into fallacy.

Seriously, you are a walking case against drugs, imo.

[Dayoh]

you sidetracked the convo, it was about private servers not ninja looters.

[RavenCrusade]

you sidetracked the convo, it was about private servers not ninja looters.

If that was a joke, it's stupidity far outnumbers it's humor. Seriously.

Stop talking about Private Servers or it'll be Banhammer time.

[WarInSerbia]

It all comes down to players morals.
And their nerves :confused:
I still think that ninjas are a pest to every player in wow and any other game.If ninja is not the right name for them then what is?And shouldnt a player that does nothing get kicked?

[Dayoh]

If that was a joke, it's stupidity far outnumbers it's humor. Seriously.

Stop talking about Private Servers or it'll be Banhammer time.

OMG Private servers fucking ban me!

It wasnt a joke, i said the truth this thread has turned into discussion of Private servers.