Super Smash

[Zerg_eater]

So, who's gonna get it? I'm really excited for this, considering the fact that I lost melee (favorite game eva...except for LoZ). If you guys get it, share your friend codes, but if you play with me, I might suck >.<.
7 days guys

[masterofhobbiton]

I will get it. SSBM is one of my favorite games too. I don't like everything about brawl, but I still think it's pretty much guaranteed to be great.

[Vhaeraun]

Preordered at least a month ago.

[Kankuro4800]

When does it come out again? The 9th?

[DoctorZettabyte]

Yes, the ninth.

I am proud to say that I will also be getting my hands on Super Smash Bros. 3 as soon as time permits. I'd really like to see what the devs have done with six times the amount of space than on a GameCube disc. It will be interesting, to say the least. Super Smash Bros. 1 was only 12 megs!

-DocTera

[GroG]

I'll be getting it as well. Definitely will have to get my wireless network to work with my Wii for it.

[muradin]

I'll get it once I get a wii, lol. I have the other two, and look forward to the story mode thing in the third one.

[Zerg_eater]

Preordered at least a month ago.I preordered december. Seriously though, if it came out in japan they should be ready. (unless the translation turned out to be like zero wing)

[Giggilyomeromicon]

Yes, the ninth.

I am proud to say that I will also be getting my hands on Super Smash Bros. 3 as soon as time permits. I'd really like to see what the devs have done with six times the amount of space than on a GameCube disc. It will be interesting, to say the least. Super Smash Bros. 1 was only 12 megs!

-DocTera

They put in... around 800 songs.

I'll be getting this on the ninth as well. I don't think I have to worry about much, seeing as how I live in a small town.

[Zerg_eater]

Well...I'll be getting this at the first 10 minutes OF THE NINTH, yay midnight releases xD

[Vhaeraun]

I preordered december. Seriously though, if it came out in japan they should be ready. (unless the translation turned out to be like zero wing)

Set us up the bomb

To be quite honest, how much talking could there be? It's a party game. Grunting and death sounds notwithstanding, I sincerely doubt the script for this game is all that big.

[Zerg_eater]

yeah I know! I mean I understand Zelda, because it wasn't released in either country yet. But, cmon!!!!!!!!!!

[Vhaeraun]

Which zelda?

[Zerg_eater]

Oh, sorry, I meant Twilight princess. Didn't they delay it for a year?

[masterofhobbiton]

Finally preordered; meant to do it like 3 months ago. :D

[Vhaeraun]

How do you know?

What's to say I didn't get it last night and have been beating shit up since then with no time to post that I do indeed have it?

[DoctorZettabyte]

And who's to say someone in a timezone ahead of you on these forums didn't get it before you?

Or someone who has only posted once got it ahead of you?
Or someone who's registered, but never posted at all?

I personally am hoping to get it within an hour or two. DST means I get it an hour earlier!

-DocTera

[DoctorZettabyte]

...I'm back. After playing for two straight hours. It's pretty fun, but I really need an anti-glare TV. I got the 30,000 steps trophy (Tails), and unlocked Ness and Marth.

I'm really impressed with the whole package -- there's a lot to do and unlock. Some of the stuff is kind of annoying, and the smash ball needs to be easier to break, but on the whole, it's quite a keeper. Some of the game is a little too chaotic -- a far cry from earlier parts of the series, and I really need to get an anti-glare TV.

I'll do a review after I try most everything out. I'm looking to do a Wi-Fi with a few other people whom I know have it, and the Level Creator looks pretty cool.

Also, one last thought: They should have started you out with only eight characters and made you work up from there.

-DocTera

[Zerg_eater]

The thing that sucks about it is that people got it a week after, probably because they work for Gamestop/Where you get your games. T_T.

[Giggilyomeromicon]

I picked it up earlier today, and I've been playing it non stop.

4725-7625-0047 is my friend code if anyone wants to play online.

[DoctorZettabyte]

Does anyone have Falco or Captain Falcon yet? Luigi was pretty tough to beat for some reason, and I'd like to gauge how well I'll be able to beat the remaining 9 or so characters.

Is JigglyPuff in this one? A 3-on-1 with DK at parties and 200% was always fun.

Also, Mario would win that Mario-Sonic battle everyone's talking about. I tested it.

One last thing: Try the coin launcher in "the vault" I got 7 trophies in less than 10 minutes.

-DocTera

[GroG]

Yeah I'll probably review the game also. I got it today, and while I haven't been unlocking anything, I've just going through the basic adventure story. Pretty fun.

I've been using the Wii controller sideways, like the NES controller. Without reading the instruction manual or anything, it actually took me a while to figure out how to shield and roll and stuff, haha I'm such a newb.

Well anyways, I'll try and get my wireless network going here, I need to rehook up my router. Then I'll share my friend code so I can whoop you guys.

[DoctorZettabyte]

Nunchuk and WiiMote is a lot easier, at least for me. I was a little annoyed at the whole grip thing for the WiiMote, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

All right, I got Falco. Took me a few tries, but if you use Samus and get really close to him, he'll get kinda skittish and not attack much.
I'd love to get C.Falcon and Solid Snake, but meh...Not enough time.

-DocTera

[Zerg_eater]

Seriously? I hate it >.< I got so annoyed. But I guess it's just me...Why do you think though?

Does anyone have Falco or Captain Falcon yet? Luigi was pretty tough to beat for some reason, and I'd like to gauge how well I'll be able to beat the remaining 9 or so characters.

Is JigglyPuff in this one? A 3-on-1 with DK at parties and 200% was always fun.

Also, Mario would win that Mario-Sonic battle everyone's talking about. I tested it.

One last thing: Try the coin launcher in "the vault" I got 7 trophies in less than 10 minutes.

-DocTeraYes, But this time...you need 150 Brawl matches to get her ._. I know...

EDIT:
please merge srry

One thing I dont get...Why does Link,Zelda, and Ganon know about all this technology? Aren't they in like 1345 ad? Cause, I noticed that link knew how to use a scope...and Zelda was an announcer...and ganon...was leading the subspace army

[Modred]

I was surprised how easy it was to find a copy of this game. The final smash attacks are a bit overpowered, but many of the other new items are rather cool. Not to say that the final smash attacks don't look cool; it's just a bit much when you can KO someone who has 0% damage.

So far, I've unlocked:

Luigi
Captain Falcon
Marth
Ness
Ganondorf

[Darmago]

you unlock a large percentage of the characters in Subspace Emissary mode. Thats where I got cpt falcon and snake

[GroG]

Yeah I've unlocked 4 characters so far, all from Subspace Emissary. I'm at work right now, so i can't remember all of them. The only one I for sure have seen no one mention is this wierd Pokemon guy - Lagomarco or something. Reminds me of Mew from Melee, the way he plays.

[Vhaeraun]

Is JigglyPuff in this one? A 3-on-1 with DK at parties and 200% was always fun.

-DocTera
200%? Weak.

I got kirby to nearly 500% before someone actually hit me off xD

[DoctorZettabyte]

200%? Weak.

I got kirby to nearly 500% before someone actually hit me off xD

I can get anyone to 999% in the original's Training Mode -- back them against the tailfin of the ship in Sector Z, and pull out four fire-flowers. They'll go flying.

I was really talking about damage multipliers, now replaced with 0.5-2.0 in Brawl. Strange things start happening when you play 200% and mini-characters.

-DocTera

[Modred]

you unlock a large percentage of the characters in Subspace Emissary mode. Thats where I got cpt falcon and snake

There are multiple ways to unlock almost all of them, I'm sure. I got Captain Falcon for beating classic with Ike.

[muradin]

Yeah I've unlocked 4 characters so far, all from Subspace Emissary. I'm at work right now, so i can't remember all of them. The only one I for sure have seen no one mention is this wierd Pokemon guy - Lagomarco or something. Reminds me of Mew from Melee, the way he plays.It's lucario, and mew wasn't playable, mewtwo was. I'm a pokemon player, sorta, and I am proud.

So on wifi, I was reading an article from Yahoo, and it said it wasn't really a ranked wifi thing, does that mean they don't even have the letter ranks from the NDS Wifi games?

[Zerg_eater]

I got Capt. Falcon, Falco, Snake, Marth, Ganondorf, and...i frgt.

[pixels]

This game is incredibly high octane and high quality. The Subspace Emissary (single player campaign / story mode) is VERY long; I've got nearly 9 hours of playtime under my belt and I've only beaten it (still not 100% complete!). There are tons of modes and things to do outside of the SSE, alone or with friends. A staggering 32 player tournament can be supported for large parties, or 16 players switching off for your close friends. Online play also supports a large variety of modes; again, with friends or vs. anyone.

And, I haven't even begun to scratch the surface of unlockables. And, you can make your own levels!

Balls up, this game is fucking hardcore :)

[Vhaeraun]

Not only that, but you can put so much time in SSE and not even notice time passing; I played nearly 2 hours today and didn't even notice that 2 hours had passed - aside from the fact the time kept going up when I saved it, but I didn't pay attention to that much.

[DoctorZettabyte]

Don't forget that you can also take screenshots of funny moments or record some quick, 3-minute brawls! Hopefull,y I'll be able to upload some of mine at some point, if I can get my file system straightened out and its in a simple format...

-DocTera

[Giggilyomeromicon]

There are multiple ways to unlock almost all of them, I'm sure. I got Captain Falcon for beating classic with Ike.

Captain Falcon can be gotton by beating it with anyone.

[DoctorZettabyte]

I think the main requirement is beating Classic in twelve minutes or less, but I won't be able to verify it, as I'm going to be somewhat busy this week. Can anyone verify?

Also, has anyone completed their CD collection? I hear its a massive soundtrack.

-DocTera

[GroG]

Characters I've unlocked:
Marth, Falco, Capt. Falcon, Lucario, Ness, Luigi, Snake, R.O.B., Ganondorf, and Mr. Game and Watch.

I'm almost done with the Subspace Emissary thing, I think. I'm at like 78% or some such. I'll be glad when it's done.. the levels take a while.

[Vhaeraun]

I'm slightly annoyed with the first Link/Yoshi level, but I'm falling asleep so meh. I'll try it again in the morning.

[Giggilyomeromicon]

I got Toon Link :3

[pixels]

i dont understand the point of posting what chars you have. unlocking characters is a snap compared to the other shit.

did events 1-7 on all difficulties, did classic on easy thru very hard.

[masterofhobbiton]

Just got it today, played around 2 hours. Got Ness and Marth and Luigi outside of subspace, played all event matches (1-20) at least on normal, played some subspace (up to the part with the pokemon trainer). Pretty fun. Right now I'm favoring Ike and Diddy.

[Vhaeraun]

i dont understand the point of posting what chars you have. unlocking characters is a snap compared to the other shit.

did events 1-7 on all difficulties, did classic on easy thru very hard.
It inflates the epeen.

[GroG]

i dont understand the point of posting what chars you have. unlocking characters is a snap compared to the other shit.

did events 1-7 on all difficulties, did classic on easy thru very hard.

It's an easy way to compare how far each of us are. Would you rather I list off the 1 arena and the 40 odd stickers I've unlocked?

I'm sorry, what would you like to talk about?

[Hydralisk1337]

Hehe.

I wasn't into Super Smash Bros really, Melee was pretty good, for the first year, but after that, it wasn't special or fun anymore. So I guess that means, count me out.

[Zerg_eater]

I think the main requirement is beating Classic in twelve minutes or less, but I won't be able to verify it, as I'm going to be somewhat busy this week. Can anyone verify?

Also, has anyone completed their CD collection? I hear its a massive soundtrack.

-DocTeraYeah, it Is. . Also Here's the best way to get all the characters in an hour or 2...or three...

OKAY: Start out with special brawl, Stamina, Fast speed. Now Choose stamina to be 1% on whatever enemy. while you be fox. Now Play on the Level dedicated to Metal gear. You will fight Snake after 15 battles(fox's blaster does 1% damage, and since your enemy is on 1%...yeah...) and then Fight on poke' stadium 2 for poke stadium 1. keep doing that for 700 battles. You'll unlock every character. I don't know about Levels yet though.

[DoctorZettabyte]

OKAY: Start out with special brawl, Stamina, Fast speed. Now Choose stamina to be 1% on whatever enemy. while you be fox. Now Play on the Level dedicated to Metal gear. You will fight Snake after 15 battles(fox's blaster does 1% damage, and since your enemy is on 1%...yeah...) and then Fight on poke' stadium 2 for poke stadium 1. keep doing that for 700 battles. You'll unlock every character. I don't know about Levels yet though.

I'd like to get them legitimately, rather than cheese my way into everything. I also have a life, so "700 battles or so" is completely out of the question.

-DocTera

[Zerg_eater]

Me too...That's my problem >.>
And, How about we show our progression through SSE? We may have cheesed...thats me :D
Im about 37% after the ruins I think.

[pixels]

It's an easy way to compare how far each of us are. Would you rather I list off the 1 arena and the 40 odd stickers I've unlocked?
Hardly a good way to measure. You can unlock shit from SSE or multiplay (characters, anyway).

I'm sorry, what would you like to talk about?

Running tournaments, multiman brawls, and KING DEDEDE.

[Neo]

Anyone else think brawl goes way to damn fast?

in ssb, for example, i mean, you'd have time to roll around and stuff.

in brawl with 4 players it's like, hope your smash succeeds and slams the other person.

pit also negates damn near every final smash, a friend was cheezing it up with him and would just flap up to the top whenever anyone would get a final smash that wasn't a "rape everything on screen" type.

The speed seems so fast, and it results in matches that go so fast it's difficult to keep track. Also some of the stages seem off -- that pikmin one for instance was beyond annoying.

And can anyone explain to me peoples reluctance in simply selecting a damn stage? "LETS RANDOM EVERY TIME" -- we ended up on one of those retarded up-scrolling stages, tell me, who's brilliant fucking idea was that? you spend so much less time fighting then you do just jumping.

-Neo

[DoctorZettabyte]

I thought the same thing about Melee, Neo, but you get accustomed to it after a few matches in Brawl. My only gripe is that it's not bright enough and everything is a little too small.

Stick with the Original Twelve characters and everything's balanced okay...usually.

Picking a stage, however, usually ends up with me picking the same four or five maps, although I do like the amount of selection Brawl affords. I haven't tried the stage builder yet though.

-DocTera

[pixels]

And can anyone explain to me peoples reluctance in simply selecting a damn stage? "LETS RANDOM EVERY TIME" -- we ended up on one of those retarded up-scrolling stages, tell me, who's brilliant fucking idea was that? you spend so much less time fighting then you do just jumping.

Random is fun for awhile when you don't know the stages, but getting thrown on one of those retarded scrollers is annoying; you're right: all you do is avoid screen death. I wish you could "turn off" stages for random. Because I honestly love randomizing stages (always do it for Mario Kart) but I have to avoid the 'tard stages, so.

About the speed: you're an old man.

[Neo]

Yeah that bothered me to, things weren't bright enough or just seemed tiny (items for instance, what the hell?)

SSBM isn't as bad though -- you've got time to pull off moves, but in Brawl some levels are just so small that you don't even have to move to hit another player.

Also the final smash thing is so annoying, since I wasnt able to figure out how to actually break it -- can you break it with a ranged shot? and can you always smash it out of someone else?

my main gripe though besides the speed is related to items, they are so tiny or blurry that you don't wtf you've picked up, and then you get those trophy asist things, and randomly get crappy things, (same with pokeballs) or you get some gigantic-tron-like-face that pukes all over the stage killing everyone.

old man my ass.

what the hell is the point of using directed attacks? ie: pk thunder. Ness' is fast, of course, but lucas' which goes through others and potentially more annoying is pointless, since you end up leaving yourself vulnerable. And/or it's so difficult to smash yourself into others with the speed so high.

Visibility seemed poor to, it was really easy to set up a bat smash or whatever, since no one can even tell you're holding it ><

I do love that you can use GC Controllers to play though.

-Neo

[pixels]

You can't gripe about items. Turn 'em off if you don't like them.

And, maybe they are small, but I'm not blind so I'm always able to see what they are. Protip: get a larger TV, or sit closer.

Final Smashes are interesting... still undecided if I like having them in Brawls with people...

[DoctorZettabyte]

Also the final smash thing is so annoying, since I wasnt able to figure out how to actually break it -- can you break it with a ranged shot? and can you always smash it out of someone else?

Yes -- you can even break it with PoKemon and throwing things like a baseball bat, another player, etc,. And the drop is timed -- I think if you have it for 5 seconds, you're all set.

I like spawning with a final smash. Always really fun to not have to fight over it. A sense of panic ensues when one is floating around really fast. People are climbing over each other, in real life too, to get it.

-DocTera

[Zerg_eater]

I thought the same thing about Melee, Neo, but you get accustomed to it after a few matches in Brawl. My only gripe is that it's not bright enough and everything is a little too small.

Stick with the Original Twelve characters and everything's balanced okay...usually.

Picking a stage, however, usually ends up with me picking the same four or five maps, although I do like the amount of selection Brawl affords. I haven't tried the stage builder yet though.

-DocTeraI have! If I had an SD card with me I could send you my levels and pic : (

[Neo]

You can't gripe about items. Turn 'em off if you don't like them.

And, maybe they are small, but I'm not blind so I'm always able to see what they are. Protip: get a larger TV, or sit closer.

Final Smashes are interesting... still undecided if I like having them in Brawls with people...

we were playing on a 30in tv and there were 4 of us.

were we supposed to be like a foot away from the screen at all times?

some final smashes seem so pointless to me, while others are just OMG RAPE (ness or lucas' for instance).

-Neo

[DoctorZettabyte]

ness or lucas' for instance

Not really. Just get within breathing distance and be ready to move just a little bit away at any moment. You should be fine.

Samus's and Link's are inescapable, however. Zero Suit isn't much use though.

Has anyone besides me done a 200% mini brawl on the PictoChat level? It's pretty interesting, to say the least. Life expectancy numbers in the tenths of seconds.

-DocTera

[masterofhobbiton]

I can't wait to unlock more stage builder stuff; I was making a stage and it seemed kind of lame; then I tested it out and it suddenly became super cool! o_O

[Zerg_eater]

I made one with 2 levels and Two ramps. Each containing A lot of ways to Kill! > : D

[Neo]

Not really. Just get within breathing distance and be ready to move just a little bit away at any moment. You should be fine.

Samus's and Link's are inescapable, however. Zero Suit isn't much use though.

Has anyone besides me done a 200% mini brawl on the PictoChat level? It's pretty interesting, to say the least. Life expectancy numbers in the tenths of seconds.

-DocTera

How do you mean? My experience using both of their finals no one could dodge them at all -- mostly because of the random first couple of strikes, and then just the massive hit everything strike at the end.

Whereas, like, the trainer's smash, you just jump away/behind the pokemon, heh.

And I could've sworn that samus had like 3 total different suits? or something to that affect. heh, maybe the video i watched was just old.

-Neo

[masterofhobbiton]

I think you saw a screenshot where samus was turning back from zero suit samus into regular samus, but the colorscheme made it look like the fusion suit.

[Neo]

no it was a video specifically talking about her different suits, I think really they meant different suits + when to use a final smash.

-Neo

[Modred]

I've avoided Samus' final smash before; but I have also been sucked into it from just behind her, as well. As for other characters with close range final smashes, like Ike, Marth, MetaKnight, and Link, you should be able to dodge with a well timed roll. And for Lucas and Ness...sometimes you can dodge, sometimes you can't.

I'm at around 70% on Subspace Emissary, having explored the upper right corner of the great maze. I believe I have almost all the characters (except Jigglypuff, the one that I want), through either playing multiplayer or finding them in adventure mode.

On event matches, I've done the first 7 or so on Hard and then through 20 on Easy. Now that I've unlocked through 30, I'll probably go back and work on finishing them on hard.

I agree with Neo on the issue of things being too small. I can hardly ever tell if I'm picking up one of those strange little powerups that sticks to you or a remote bomb. Speaking of remote bombs, Snake's little remote triggered mine is pretty devious, although I have trouble using him in regular fights because his smash attacks have very long windup. If I could contain myself to regular attacks, he's quite strong.

On the issue of stage selection, I know that in Melee I disabled the flat zone level from being selected in random; such an annoying level. Anyway, I imagine that the same feature is inside Brawl somewhere. It would be such a shame for them to take something like that out. If I had not already shut down for the night, and was not soon going to bed, then I would see if I could find the option.

[muradin]

Well, I was looking around at brawl stuff, and saw something I didn't know was there: Masterpieces. Anyone have any of these yet? I mean, are they hard to get, or are they starting things?

[DoctorZettabyte]

Well, I was looking around at brawl stuff, and saw something I didn't know was there: Masterpieces. Anyone have any of these yet? I mean, are they hard to get, or are they starting things?

Masterpieces are just demos for games that have been or will be released in the Wii Virtual Console, culminating with Super Smash Bros.
They're all timed demos, which suck, and some of them are as short as forty seconds.

Gimmicky. The only part of the game outside of gameplay gripes that I really don't like.

-DocTera

[Zerg_eater]

Well, I was looking around at brawl stuff, and saw something I didn't know was there: Masterpieces. Anyone have any of these yet? I mean, are they hard to get, or are they starting things?I played a lot of the masterpieces. Like Doc said, you can barely get past a level of Starfox with its demo...
And is it me, or Do the levels take A LOT longer than Before to load? sometimes it takes me 10-20 seconds to load something..and when I pause it has a second of lag before it happens...Is this normal or is my wii broken?

[DoctorZettabyte]

You're playing too much, taking too many screenshots, and creating too many levels. You're running out of HD space, or your disc laser's messing up.

Worst case scenario: Wii's breaking, hopefully still under warranty.
Best-Case Scenario: Clean up your hard drive!

It also may be the disc, getting scratched up by laser-reads, or it's just dirty.

-DocTera

[Modred]

And is it me, or Do the levels take A LOT longer than Before to load? sometimes it takes me 10-20 seconds to load something..and when I pause it has a second of lag before it happens...Is this normal or is my wii broken?

Load times are longer than in Melee, in my experience. On the pausing issue, I don't know. My Wii crashes from time to time, like when my friends beat me at Wii Boxing. It doesn't take kindly to others gloating over my defeat.

I've completed Subspace Emissary on Easy with 85% completion, beat Classic on Very Hard without a continue (and on first try, too), then unlocked Toon Link and Jigglypuff.

It also may be the disc, getting scratched up by laser-reads
Scratched by lasers? That seems rather inprobable.

[Zerg_eater]

Mod How do I get Toon Link?I can't get him! >.<

[DoctorZettabyte]

Scratched by lasers? That seems rather inprobable.

Yeah. Wear and tear. It's not uncommon to see a game that's been used a lot even with very good care get scratched up just from usage.

Mod How do I get Toon Link?I can't get him! >.<

Beat classic with Link/Zelda, I believe. Or beat their sections of the Subspace Emissary.

-DocTera

[Zerg_eater]

Yeah...I beat classic with Both Link and Zelda...and Shiek.

[DoctorZettabyte]

Well, I'm at a loss, unless you're still beating the Subspace Emissary. Toon/Young Link sucked anyway. Too...toony and baby-ish. Link should be rough-cut and rugged, not some prissy little twat who rides around in a sailboat made of tanned balsa wood. Blech.

-DocTera

[Zerg_eater]

o.o....But...I like toon link >.>

[Modred]

Well, I'm at a loss, unless you're still beating the Subspace Emissary. Toon/Young Link sucked anyway. Too...toony and baby-ish. Link should be rough-cut and rugged, not some prissy little twat who rides around in a sailboat made of tanned balsa wood. Blech.

-DocTera

Wind Waker was an awesome game. A bit too easy to finish, but still great, imo.

I got Toon Link when I beat Classic on Very Hard without a continue. I can't tell you if it was related to the no continue, or if it was because I beat Subspace Emissary, or if it was because I played on Very Hard.

The official site tells how to unlock many of the characters, but it currently does not list Toon Link or Jigglypuff.

[Zerg_eater]

god damnit...Sub Space is pissing me off like a Kicking a mule on its hinds....Seriously i just want to beat it right now to fking get all the characters...otherwise I want someone else to fucking play with me. I'm done with single player adventures. This is supposed to be fucking enjoyed with friends....

[DoctorZettabyte]

god damnit...Sub Space is pissing me off like a Kicking a mule on its hinds....Seriously i just want to beat it right now to fking get all the characters...otherwise I want someone else to fucking play with me. I'm done with single player adventures. This is supposed to be fucking enjoyed with friends....

You need friends then. I think it's called "Wi-Fi", or something. I heard it's really good, and you don't even have to play with your friends, you can play with random people, all over the world!

Doy.

-DocTera

[Giggilyomeromicon]

To get Toon Link you have to beat SSE and then beat Classic on very hard with Link.

Also, I'm amazed by the fact I'm better then most people I play over wi-fi.

[Modred]

To get Toon Link you have to beat SSE and then beat Classic on very hard with Link.

I think you just need to beat SSE and then Classic on Very Hard, regardless of character; I was playing as Marth when I unlocked Toon Link.

[Zerg_eater]

You need friends then. I think it's called "Wi-Fi", or something. I heard it's really good, and you don't even have to play with your friends, you can play with random people, all over the world!

Doy.

-DocTera
no i meant SSE....

[Modred]

no i meant SSE....

Bring a friend over and do it in 2-player mode. Although, I have noticed that lives tend to drain away more quickly when you have two people able to waste them...

[DoctorZettabyte]

Bring a friend over and do it in 2-player mode. Although, I have noticed that lives tend to drain away more quickly when you have two people able to waste them...

They dropped the start button mashing to get lives back? That always seemed so nifty.

Anyway, for lack of time, how difficult is the SSE? I'd like to know so I can choose a difficulty and get started on Friday. No spoilers, please!

-DocTera

[Zerg_eater]

Bring a friend over and do it in 2-player mode. Although, I have noticed that lives tend to drain away more quickly when you have two people able to waste them...er...Did you guys read my other posts >.>....

well anyway. I'm starting to cool off by killing ridley a couple times. then im gonna unlock everyone.

and DZ. Its hard if your used to brawling with friends but easy if you've ever played through the whole megaman series without a single upgrade...on intense. in easy its just easier to kill people thats it.

[DoctorZettabyte]

and DZ. Its hard if your used to brawling with friends but easy if you've ever played through the whole megaman series without a single upgrade...on intense. in easy its just easier to kill people thats it.

I've done a (in SSB 1) 3-on-1 200% Level 9 Donkey Kong, Samus, and Fox, with 99 stock and won with exactly 27 lives left (on a rainy saturday with nothing to do.) Do you think that'll help at all? I'm planning to start on Hard or Normal. I never owned Melee, and I'm still getting accustomed to the WiiMote and company.

-DocTera

[Zerg_eater]

Ah you know i only got angry cause i was always playing at intense ._. So Anyone up for sharing their friend codes? anyone?

yeah I guess your good to go.

[GroG]

Subspace Emissary isn't so much hard as it is boring and repetitive. The only reason you'll keep playing is to see the neat cinematics and the "need" to beat it. I'm in "The maze", the end of it, and I just can't get myself to go and finish it. Maybe this weekend. Ugh.

Started playing classic challenges, doing everything on normal so far. Beaten classic with 3 guys. As for the Events thing, I've done 7 of them on normal. I'll probably start off everything on normal and then move on to hard later once I get decent..

The home run thing, I've hit the bag 1300 some odd yards as my farthest. Anyone get farther?

Still haven't looked at the instruction manual, so I still haven't seen/executed a Final Smash. Nor do I even know how.. haha.

[masterofhobbiton]

Um, to do a final smash, you press 'B.' No manual needed.:concern::alcoholic:concern:

[GroG]

D'oh. ;p

[Modred]

Subspace Emissary isn't so much hard as it is boring and repetitive. The only reason you'll keep playing is to see the neat cinematics and the "need" to beat it. I'm in "The maze", the end of it, and I just can't get myself to go and finish it.

The maze was probably my favorite part. If you didn't have to play through almost the entire adventure to get to it, it would be more enjoyable. I love mazes and exploration type games.

And was that 1300 yards or 1300 feet? There's a slight different there.

[Zerg_eater]

Um, to do a final smash, you press 'B.' No manual needed.:concern::alcoholic:concern:Ah I remember how I was so desprate to find out how to do a final smash to look at the manual. when it said Smash attack C,so i kept pressing C and i tried pressing random buttons and found it xD

[Vhaeraun]

Samus's and Link's are inescapable, however. Zero Suit isn't much use though.

Zero Suit's final is fairly useless, but Zero Suit is so much better than Samus in almost every regard besides. She's much quicker without her suit on.

[Modred]

Has anyone here been able to consistently dodge Tabuu's shockwave attack? I've dodged the first wave before, but always get hit by the second or third. And it does something like 70% damage. >.<

Not so bad in Adventure mode, but absolutely killer when doing the Boss Battles (where you only have one life).

[Giggilyomeromicon]

Has anyone here been able to consistently dodge Tabuu's shockwave attack? I've dodged the first wave before, but always get hit by the second or third. And it does something like 70% damage. >.<

I didn't even know you could dodge it D:

[Kankuro4800]

I don't think you can in the SSE, and I think it automatically kills you. But in Boss Battle, it does somewhere between 30%-100% damage.

Tabuu hacks.

[Modred]

I don't think you can in the SSE, and I think it automatically kills you. But in Boss Battle, it does somewhere between 30%-100% damage.

Tabuu hacks.

I've dodged the first two waves, but didn't quite get the timing on the third. With a little practice, it should be doable. When trying to unlock Wolf, I played Boss Battle enough that I can predict almost every attack by every boss, lol.

[Zerg_eater]

hey guys i can't get the last person on The great maze. The one all the way on the stop. I think like the top of the maze to the middle.
edit:okay i beat it...for some odd reason...I was really pissed off at SSE >_>...and I got pissed off when I finally god the characters i wanted which was sonic and toon link. WTF? I should've been hapy considering I spend 9 hrs trying to get them when I could've have used up 3 hours of brawl and just 1 week of my time instead of 2..

[Dayoh]

i hate this thread, Smash isnt down under yet, i cant contribute!

[SHISHKABOB]

So I was playing Brawl with my friends today. Ike is pretty badass. I like to go jumping around smashing people with the C-stick. It's not the best strategy but it's fun. :D

[Modred]

The problem with Ike (and similar characters, such as King Dedede), is that you have to completely change the timing of your attacks, since they attack so slowly. I'm much more of a fast-attack person, with characters like Marth, MetaKnight, Fox and Pit. In short, anyone who is relatively fast with strong air attacks.

[SHISHKABOB]

Ike is a super slowpoke. But when you hit them, >:3

[masterofhobbiton]

I used to be a fast player as well; played in tourneys as Marth. But now he just sucks compared to melee. So I'm trying my hand at slower people; charizard, ike, and snake. Although Z-suit samus and Lucario have a pretty big appeal too.

[Modred]

I used to be a fast player as well; played in tourneys as Marth. But now he just sucks compared to melee.

Really? I haven't noticed much difference, and the improved sword dance is quite useful.

[Neo]

Ok, Sonic's final smash is beyond queer.

Been having trouble with snake's, but it's not to hard to just dodge, but omfg.

Sonic's is just queer. First off, I'm not sure if it's the wiimote (thats what he uses when he plays as sonic) but it's like he's got full control over sonic, unlike pikachu's final. Secondly, it's as if the final smash just leaps into sonics hands.

I usually play to keep others away from the smash, or I only go after it once it's been hit a few times, but sonic, literally, jumps into it once and gets it right away.

You can't even roll, can't hang on ledges, hell you can't even jump. The only way I've found to sucessfully avoid it, or at least minimize the affect, is to be on a stage where you get slammed between the ground and roof (ie: places with two levels).

It's also annoying how close the boundaries seem to be, if you get thrown up at even >100% you end up being KO'd even though you can jump around up top out of the camera's view on your own. Might be because I play a light character, but it's so annoying.

But pfft.

I play as ness or lucas, lucas seems easier, but ness has also been a main for me, he's just fun. Ness's PK Fire almost always sets the other person up for a bat swing, something lucas's doesn't.

Can't decide if I actually like final smashes, yeah they are cool, but on the other hand most fall into either the useless category, easily dodged category, or OMFG RAPE category.

I've also got a friend who plays nothing but Snake just because he's Snake. Mostly snake is worthless, imo, but he NEVER dies.you literally have to get him to 130+ and smash his butt off the stage.

Side Note: Pikachu is SICK.

-Neo

[Zerg_eater]

seeking......seeking........seeking......see- GOD THIS TAKES FOREVER1!! anyone else have this problem where you seek for Random matches...and all you get is dust after 4 hours?

[Modred]

seeking......seeking........seeking......see- GOD THIS TAKES FOREVER1!! anyone else have this problem where you seek for Random matches...and all you get is dust after 4 hours?

I have yet to play against anyone on WiFi. I can spectate, but my connection always times out when I want to play. It's rather frustrating.

[GroG]

Same, I can only spectate. I read somewhere online (I think IGN) that currently only the friend codes portion and spectating works right now, the rest of the functionality is down for a while.

[Neo]

oh, just an fyi, I understand that the option to play with anyone (or however it's phrased) is broken at the moment.

friend codes still work though.

-Neo

[GroG]

Guys I'll be on for a few hours tonight (prolly from 7pm - 9/10pm CST), I posted my friend code in the other thread - post yours or PM me if you'd like to game tonight. I think it'd be fun to play some people tonight so.. yeah.

I'm not that amazing or anything, I can beat classic with a character on hard with a continue ... not sure if that gauges my ability or anything.

Anyways, yeah, hopefully I'll see some of you guys on tonight.

[DoctorZettabyte]

I've only got five characters left to get -- Ganon, Jigglypuff, Star Wolf, Game & Watch, and Toon Link. I'm not going out of my way for anyone besides G&W and Ganon.
...Subspace Emissary seems somewhat uninspired -- Boring enemies, predictable plot, too easy in many places, rediculous button-mashing in others. Cheap way to get trophies and characters, too.

I like just kicking the crap out of people -- not platforming. The brawls themselves are pretty interesting and tough, and switching up control schemes is fun to do every few matches, to see what you like. WaveBirds and GC controllers are cheap though.

VConsole controllers and "Masterpieces" are trash though. Waste of disc space that could have been another few arenas and characters.

Love the soundtracks option though -- I'm around 1/2 to 2/3 done.

-DocTera

[Zerg_eater]

Weee, GroG and I were playing. Pretty fun. >.> I WIN!!! xD

[GroG]

It took me a few hours to figure out, but I'm able to do regular open Brawl against anyone now (not just vs. friends). There's not as much lag as when I initially started -- it's all about how you set up your Wii's internet connection.

Basically, when you set up your Wii's connection, do it manually instead of having it find the port. Go to Run->CMD and type ipconfig/all and it'll tell you your IP and all that. Use that to set up your connection (use the IP addresses and the DNS addresses), it will work much better.

Also, under MTI (sp? on the Wii) or something like that, set it to 1500. Don't know why, but it helps.

I've been doing pretty good with Wario and Diddy Kong online.

I highly recommend this thread for help getting your connection working: http://boards.ign.com/super_smash_bros_/b5213/160479892/p1/

[GroG]

Well, me and Zerg_Eater played again, and man it was soooooo smooth. Very nice, no lag at all.

Need to get some of you other losers on for a whoopin'.

[Zerg_eater]

god, My only problem was Like Starcraft, when I attack it's not instantly like always >.>

[Neo]

Not to sound lame or anything, but why would anone go out of their way to get Ganon?

He is sooooo slow, seriously.

-Neo

[NightElfking]

Wow. 113 posts already.
Alright, here's an interesting thing to talk about for Brawl: What other characters should have been in? What there skills (speed, power, etc) and what would their final smash be?

[Modred]

Not to sound lame or anything, but why would anone go out of their way to get Ganon?

He is sooooo slow, seriously.

-Neo

In Melee, he had a super fast rolling dodge, which made up for his slow attacks. He seems a little more unwieldy in Brawl, though.

[DoctorZettabyte]

I got Ganon, but I had to put the game down and get on with life. I'll play him as soon as I can though.

-DocTera

[Neo]

In Melee, he had a super fast rolling dodge, which made up for his slow attacks. He seems a little more unwieldy in Brawl, though.
Yeesss. Well in brawl he's pretty pointless. especially if there is any sort of faster character on the field.

-Neo

[DoctorZettabyte]

Ganon + Falcon = No. Yeech. What a miserable match. Ganon's worthless. Anyone get G&W yet?

I seem to be missing a lot of arenas...how many are there? I've got 30 or so.

And, how would one get the screenshot poser? I'd love to toy around with that.

-DocTera

[Zerg_eater]

I've gotten every character except wolf. TOON LINK YOU OWN

[GroG]

Yeah, I think I have everyone but Wolf as well.

Gannon's not that bad, I've been playing him in my rotation of characters online and I've been winning with him so.. yeah ;p

[Neo]

Well to be fair from what I've seen many choose characters like Pit or Metaknight or other fast by low damagers -- vs heavier characters like Ganon I'd imagine they'd be easier to deal with.

but omg. Ok, ness and lucas are somewhat slow (Running wise right?) but moving to ganon for me was, wtf did I pick up a clock?

Heh.

-Neo

[GroG]

Actually I very rarely see Metaknight online. I see lots of Ike's, Snake, and Lucas fairly often too.

But yeah, mostly just Ike. If you get a game without Ike, you are lucky.

[Modred]

Some of the replays I've seen online of Ike fail to impress me. I've seen a guy win with Ike, but all of his success was based on the other players being too inept to break the smash ball. I'm not sure why people like Ike so much; he's far worse than Ganon when it comes to speed of attacks, with the exception of that weak little punch he can throw.

[Neo]

Actually I very rarely see Metaknight online. I see lots of Ike's, Snake, and Lucas fairly often too.

But yeah, mostly just Ike. If you get a game without Ike, you are lucky.

Really? Huh.

A friend only plays snake, and aside from being really good with timing, I don't see the appeal. Though he only plays snake for the sole reason that he's snake.

Anywho, Ike i don't get at all, I've tried him a few times, but really he seems incredibly useless, and his Final isn't all that impressive (visually it is, no doubt). By useless, I just mean slow.

Lucas <3

I actually wish to change characters a bit, I thought pikachu was pretty sick, mostly because moving from classic to brawl = all of his moves are faster (thunder annoyed my friends heh). But again, he's a light character. I actually want to try a medium one, perhaps.

Rofl, I was having fun with Dedede for awhile. Maybe I'll go with him for a bit.

-Neo

[DoctorZettabyte]

I'm a huge fan of Dark Link and Master Chief (Green Samus), and I do enjoy Dark Fox every few games. I've only got two characters to go -- Toon Link and Jigglypuff. I've got most of the arenas and I've completed every event up through 28. I'm really hoping to get the rest very soon, so I can get the Song of Storms (completion of event 31). I'm 79% of the way through the Subspace Emissary, but beating all of these clones and playing back through some of the worst spots in the game is really annoying. I've been using Link, Samus, Fox and DK to get through a lot of the areas in the final stage.

-DocTera

[Neo]

For link I just cant seem to play him well -- got any suggestions? His boomerang, for one, is a bit off.

-Neo

[DoctorZettabyte]

His arrow attack ends almost everything in Sudden Death at a full charge -- getting there is the problem.

The boomerang can pull other players and items to you, but not the Final Smash.

Using the spin attack on the ground after a small charge (hold down ^B for a second or two) is devastating to start, but weakens very quickly.

Practice with every inch of his Final Smash's range -- keep 'em close, but not too close for best results.

Bombs are useless, except for setting off explosive crates.

Link really shines in open, flat maps with few platforms. The Bridge of Eldin, Final Destination, Lylat Cruise, Aero Drive, etc,.

Good Luck!

-DocTera

[Neo]

Meh, I suppose my problem is moving from classic to brawl (My bro donated his Gamecube a couple christmas's ago) and haven't had a change to really time out or play with the charge up moves.

Not to say I don't, ie: bats and lucas/ness. Heh.

-Neo

[GroG]

People run around and do B+UP and B+OVER with Ike. It's annoying. It's really hard to get in and do close combat with Ike cause of the range of his sword.. if you roll in and get get behind, good, but it's hard to come in on top of him or from the front.

As for charging arrow with Link to win in sudden death.. wha? Just do roll+dodge around and try and do a smash attack, that wins instantly. Can you even charge, then move around when charged like Samus can and fire later? Bombs are decent, throwing them around when people are low health can get some kills, as well as throwing them down when coming in from above someone can work. I think Link works well in maps with several levels, since his A+UP and A+DOWN are fairly powerful and can knock you off pretty quick. His recovery time is just soooo slow..

I'm still playing Wario and Diddy Kong quite a bit online, but I've also added Olimar to the mix. Diddy's roll attack (A+OVER) is really strong and quick, plus the range of his smash attack is nice. For Wario I really like his B+UP attack for dishing out damage, and his ultimate is awesome (Super Wario!). Olimar is really different both of those guys, he's got damage moves like A+UP, but he's really quick at rolling/dodging which I like.

You guys should play online ;p Post friend codes when you do.. and if you have problems setting up your connection to just do open brawling vs. pubbies, let me know maybe I can help. I've been doing it almost all week with little to no lag, so, yeah. That tutorial I posted earlier in the thread made it so I could play online.

[masterofhobbiton]

Ike wins instantly in sudden death with a slightly charged side B. Also, you can get very satisfying victories with him without needing to use skill; his attacks are really really powerful. It's great to smack around light characters with him and utterly overpower him. However, his strategy doesn't work at all against a good dodger or a fast character, his slow moves except for his fast back and down aerials leave him too open.

I want to use toon link but haven't unlocked him. Now I favor Lucario, Zero-Suit Samus, and Falco.

[Zerg_eater]

Toon link Is good, His Down A is actually Really strong and Extremely risky to use when your gonna smash someone down, but when you do you feel the need to scream ULTIMATE PAWN!
Cause once you press Down A, instead of just keeping his sword down, He charges down instead of just staying in the air....u'll know what I mean after you get him. Otherwise, Toon Link and Link owns after you learn how to use em

[masterofhobbiton]

I do know what you mean, sonic and samus have similar down aerials. In my experiance however (I've only played toon link a couple of times online, so this is mostly based on link), it's so so so easy to dodge, leaving link stuck in the ground! I loved it in melee when n00bs would just spam dair with link... heheheh, fond memories...

[Zerg_eater]

oh man, Good times. Good times. The onlyu reason why I loved link was cause of his Spin attack when I saw it 5 years ago. Good thing my cousin was a noob back then too, otherwise we can kick ass.

[Neo]

Grog I'd love to, but it's at a friends that I play Brawl -- we don't really have the console, nor a good-sized tv to play, heh.

-Neo

[fenix6593]

had a chance to play it but didint

[GroG]

Well, I unlocked Jiggily Puff and Wolf today - so I have all the characters. I also beat all events up to 30 on normal. I'll probably start doing them on hard.

The Boss mode is fucking hard as shit. I guess I'm just not good vs bosses. I can beat 6 so far.. bleh.

I have to say, I'm kind of ticked that Zero Suit Samus just isn't her own character. I hate having to remember that she's in the game, she should just have her own damn icon.

[Modred]

Haha! I finally managed to dodge Tabuu's wave attack. He's pretty easy to take down once you can do that.

[DoctorZettabyte]

I ended SE with Mario -- pretty epic. I'm now aiming to get the final three -- Jiggilypuff, Wolf, and TLink. Event 31 is the only reason why.

-DocTera

[Neo]

FYI:

You can select ZSS from the selection screen if you hold down the shield button I believe.

in case that's not been mentioned.

they tried to turn samus into a shield/zelda character, don't know if I like it =/

-Neo

[DoctorZettabyte]

Okay, finished event 37 -- Song of Storms is a bit of a letdown, but still pretty good with the serenade of water/rutela's theme at the end of it.

Jiggilypuff is pretty hard-core now -- she poses a serious threat if you're not careful.

-DocTera

[GroG]

Anyone have a tiers list yet?

[Neo]

tiers are for queers?

seriously, what the fuck?

-Neo

[Modred]

Jiggilypuff is pretty hard-core now -- she poses a serious threat if you're not careful.

-DocTera

Jigglypuff has slightly stronger regular attacks in Brawl, but the Down+B move ("Rest") is way underpowered compared to Melee. And if you have no idea what I'm talking about, you obviously haven't played against someone who knows how to make you fear Jigglypuff. =p

[Zerg_eater]

Hey guys hows online play? does it work now?

[GroG]

Tiers as in, who's the best characters, who's the middle/OK characters, and who's the worst characters. Who's overpowered? Who's crap?

[DoctorZettabyte]

Jigglypuff has slightly stronger regular attacks in Brawl, but the Down+B move ("Rest") is way underpowered compared to Melee. And if you have no idea what I'm talking about, you obviously haven't played against someone who knows how to make you fear Jigglypuff. =p

Instant kill with a scream, right? I've never owned Melee, so I wouldn't know, but it hasn't changed much.

I never fear Jiggilypuff...anyone I play can't use him/her/it effectively.

-DocTera

[Neo]

Tiers as in, who's the best characters, who's the middle/OK characters, and who's the worst characters. Who's overpowered? Who's crap?

In my experience some mediocre characters end up "OP" during their finals (Sonic for instance, snake as well, since the final is difficult to dodge if they other person is good) etc...

On the other hand, I think tiers should be split -- w/finals and w/out

For instance, link isn't that bad, but his final is pretty strange.

-Neo

[DoctorZettabyte]

For instance, link isn't that bad, but his final is pretty strange.

Link's tough to use in an online situation (I usually defer to Master Chief [green Samus]), but if you play against someone or you're playing on huge, flat maps, Link is a great character to use, especially on the Bridge of Eldin. It seems designed for him -- go figure. :P

-DocTera

[Neo]

Touche ;)

I just meant when you compare, say, links final to someone's like snakes, or sonics, or any of the others that can hit multiple characters pretty easily, it kind of pales.

-Neo

[ChimTheGrim21]

Instant kill with a scream, right? I've never owned Melee, so I wouldn't know, but it hasn't changed much.

I never fear Jiggilypuff...anyone I play can't use him/her/it effectively.

-DocTera
i would own you with jiggly.

[Vezer]

Vezer's Fantasic Tier List (EXCLUDING FINAL SMASH):

Tier 1, AKA, the ubers:

Sheik
Lucas
Wolf
Ike
Link
Snake
Marth
Captain Falcon
Pit
Bowser
Pikachu
Toon Link
Samus/Zero Suit


Tier 2, AKA, the all-rights:

Ganondorf
Mario
Kirby
Falco
Pokemon Trainer
Lucario
Yoshi
Zelda
Meta Knight
Fox
Sonic
Jiggly


Tier 3, AKA, the terribles:

Olimar
Diddy Kong
King Dedede
Mr Game and Watch
Peach
Mario
Luigi
Wario
R.O.B
Ice Climbers
Ness


A full report-type-thingy on each character is forth-coming. Feel free to disagree with any of my character placements, as where you put the characters on a tier scale is mostly due to the way you play the characters.

[Zerg_eater]

So how's online ? still good?

[Neo]

why is ness so low? I mean, yeah, he's different from lucas, but not by that much is he?

-Neo

[T-Dawg]

Ness is definitely in the middle list -- and in the upper list if you can play him well. He has a completely different play style from anyone in Melee / Brawl -- including lucas. But if you know how to use that play style correctly he is ridick.

[Neo]

Yeah, I was just wondering -- ness has been my main since classic really, and while I haven't had much practice with him in brawl (I decided to give lucas a shot, liked him and wanted to perfect it a bit) i didn't think he was THAT bad.

Although Ness' final (i know the list doesn't include them) is pretty easy to dodge, though when it lands a hit it does more damage then lucas'

-Neo

[whiteboy223]

Touche ;)

I just meant when you compare, say, links final to someone's like snakes, or sonics, or any of the others that can hit multiple characters pretty easily, it kind of pales.

-Neo

Link can hit multiple people with his Final Smash, as can everyone else in the game, its just that link, marth, Ike (my charecter) and most of anyone who has a single hit Smash can still eliminate the other charecters by the selected one...

[muradin]

Lol, I just think this is funny. The first time I played brawl was at a friends house, and we were going to play online with one of our other friends. So me, him, and his sister pick our characters and are on the waiting stage. I forget how, but we were talking about how awesome the waiting stage, and then I said "I know, I mean, it's like Chuck Norris awesome" Just when I finished saying that, it says Chuck would like to join the game. I was wondering who chuck was for a second, because my friends online name was like Vandor or something wierd like that. Oh, and I think that Ike is good for power killing, say, in the melee event things (cruel brawl, 100 man brawl, those things), and for everything else, there's Lucario.

[Vezer]

Lucario's counter is great.

And the reason I put Ness on the very bottem is because I am horrible with him. I do better with Peach, belive it or not.

[Neo]

pfft. ness hate? :(

I'm awesome with lucas, ok with ness.

and peach is funky.

-Neo

[Vezer]

I find with Peach, I always get lucky and instead of pulling up turnips, I pull up lightsabers or home run bats.

[ChimTheGrim21]

peach was pretty good in melee, I haven't played her in brawl.

[T-Dawg]

Everyone I have run into that plays brawl always goes "i play so-and-so, oh and I am awesome with lucas!"

I find that lucas is much too slow of a finesse character to be serious in 1v1's. Ness's superior speed will win out the day -- despite the fact that he has trouble with finishing off opponents (his grab has been severely nerfed -- and his bat is still slow, but at least faster).

[Neo]

Yeah. In SSB and later Melee, I was usually a Ness player, I just liked him for some reason. The different jump, plus he's small.

Though in SSB he was freaking slow (and that's saying something rofl).

Anyway, I've not had a chance to actually delve to much into playing Ness, since I found myself screwing up severely whenever I switched between the two to often.

I've actually been wanting to use Pikachu, Ness, and possibly Toon Link more. But seeing as much of the time I play Brawl it's on a time constraint, it's not always possible.

-Neo

[Zerg_eater]

Guys, I need help with online play! It won't work for me, I wait for like an hour and I don't find anyone! >_<
Can you guys connect? I cant

[sumo88]

People will always mistake Ness for being a crap character because he requires such a unique play style. Having said that, Lucas is arguably more typical, and people always love having that one fantastic finishing move (smash up A).

Just a random thought, if I ever see pikachu in a multiplayer match I target him immediately. I find that pikachu is the most effective multiplayer character that doesn't try to float away and stall. His smash down A is one of the fastest smashes in the game and then the combo with that and thunder is ridiculous. Pikachu has gotten even faster in brawl now, and I find him one of the more formidable opponents 1v1 as well. But I needed to vent my general annoyance with the multiplayer pikachu.

[sumo88]

Was anyone else disappointed with the ease of the Event matches even on hard mode?

I found myself blitzing through them and the more challenging ones were with characters I wasn't used to playing. Even still I finished those in 5 tries or so. Is it just me, or did they get easier?

[DoctorZettabyte]

Try the one when you're Ganon and you're against Pit and Link. Really tough. Ganon needs more finesse and needs to focus one character in one area of the map at a time. Very tough event match.

-DocTera

[Neo]

Guys, I need help with online play! It won't work for me, I wait for like an hour and I don't find anyone! >_<
Can you guys connect? I cant

Have to uses friend codes, I believe, the free-for-all, or first-available or whatever option is still broken from what I understand.

-Neo

[Zerg_eater]

damn. Oh well, Hey guys, if You have SD cards we could share our maps. I tried to recreate the original ice climbers map but I have to find my sd card to show you.
And I tried using pikachu in a brawl match with my friends, sumo88's right. He's kick ass in that area.

[Vezer]

Was anyone else disappointed with the ease of the Event matches even on hard mode?

I found myself blitzing through them and the more challenging ones were with characters I wasn't used to playing. Even still I finished those in 5 tries or so. Is it just me, or did they get easier?

They were way too easy.

Try the one when you're Ganon and you're against Pit and Link. Really tough. Ganon needs more finesse and needs to focus one character in one area of the map at a time. Very tough event match.

-DocTera

Really? I found it really easy, but then again, I'm pretty decent with Ganon. He was my #2 charecter on Melee.

Everyone I have run into that plays brawl always goes "i play so-and-so, oh and I am awesome with lucas!"

I find that lucas is much too slow of a finesse character to be serious in 1v1's. Ness's superior speed will win out the day -- despite the fact that he has trouble with finishing off opponents (his grab has been severely nerfed -- and his bat is still slow, but at least faster).

I find it way too easy to kill Lucas, but then again I usually play with Shiek, who is really really fast. Although, everyonce and a while, I'll screw up (or try to sidestep) and get hit by an up-A, and die at 20%-or-so. They defeintly need to nerf Lucas.

[sumo88]

Speaking of Sheik, does everyone still overlook Zelda? One of my friends is solid with Zelda and her Din's Fire just got way hotter...pun intended. It now has a ridiculous radius and hits considerably harder and faster.

Any of the Sheik players out there use the switch to Zelda to pose a different threat to opponents or are the two characters more exclusive? While switching combat styles can break a rhythm it also takes makes your opponent adjust to a different style of play.

Comments/thoughts?

[muradin]

I play as shiek every now and then when I get bored with other people.

Also, I got a wii like monday, and I'm selling my gamecube next week, so hopefully I'll get brawl by then.

[NightElfking]

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[Dayoh]

Well Brawl is released downunder tmw, so ill see what happens...

[muradin]

Next time I get to walmart, I'm going to buy brawl, rented it and got through some of the great maze. Still have alot of characters to unlock though (I think around 10ish). Getting it tonight, so I'll post my codes tommorow. Also, I'm not the worlds best player. Me and someone about as good as me tried Batuu :worship: on easy, and got our bums wooped :_owned:

[NightElfking]

Okay here's something to discuss!
Which character should have never have been included in Brawl?
I vote for Olimar.

[Vezer]

Speaking of Sheik, does everyone still overlook Zelda? One of my friends is solid with Zelda and her Din's Fire just got way hotter...pun intended. It now has a ridiculous radius and hits considerably harder and faster.

Any of the Sheik players out there use the switch to Zelda to pose a different threat to opponents or are the two characters more exclusive? While switching combat styles can break a rhythm it also takes makes your opponent adjust to a different style of play.

Comments/thoughts?

Sometimes I play with Zelda, but I find that if you're playing against a fast charecter, it's near impossible to hit them with din's fire. Ganondorf, on the other hand...

Okay here's something to discuss!
Which character should have never have been included in Brawl?
I vote for Olimar.

King Dedede.