Blue Ray Pwns HD-DVD

[Faiien]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=friS4OOcdgQ
so how do you guys think it happened?
are you guys planning to buy one?
i mean iam a firm supporter of blu-ray and the ps3 but how did the blue-ray player beat down the HD-DVD
discuss and have fun :)

[Serban]

I think that Der Untergang has, for parodying purposes, mistranslated so many times, nothing new can be spawned from it.
On-so-called-topic, the Blu-ray disc does have a _MUCH_ bigger capacity than a DVD, so gogo!

[Faiien]

which i hear is one of the reason the ps3 incorporated the blue-ray format
i think one of the best reasons the blue-ray won is because it has a console backing it up

[Zerg_eater]

friS4OOcdgQ
so how do you guys think it happened?
are you guys planning to buy one?
i mean iam a firm supporter of blu-ray and the ps3 but how did the blue-ray player beat down the HD-DVD
discuss and have fun :)Hitler Again? HAHAHA


anyway, I think they should sell a PS3 without a freakin Bluray. dontcha think?

[U-238]

Playstation will probably be nothing but Blueray from here on out. I wouldn't be surprised to see all next gen consoles with them. Reason being that, as graphic processors and console hardware, get better and better there will be higher res models, textures, larger environments, more complex gameplay, etc. All of this takes more and more space which, in turn demands a bigger disc capacity. Blueray's going to do to the DVD what the DVD did to the CD. (which is what the CD did to the cassette tape, which is what the cassette tape did to 8-tracks and so on)

[Gunmonk]

Godwins law.... fist post FTW.

Anyways, I dunno its sad that we are going to end up switching to bluray, however, I'm gonna have to end up getting a ps3. Gawd its hell being a early adopter, GG Blu-Ray. Okay, thats really all just bullshit, I just want to watch my porno in Hi-Def.

[Faiien]

rofl i love it
now that the blu-ray player has won people are gonna purchase more ps3s cause apparently their one of the cheapest blu-ray players on the market
and sony is gonna benefit TONS off of this risky deal they took
Its so sad, all hddvd players are going on sale, their in total liquidation mode

[Protogod]

PS3 was onto something with their Blu-ray feature. Originally I hadnt thought it was that much of a plus, but at the moment I'm starting the see how much extra space it gives game companies.

The bigger titles for the PS3 now are making the enitire level rendered in realtime, so that theoretically, with the right hack, you could go anywhere, instead of having textured sprites that "look like a background." Now you have an actual background.

[kongurous]

Game companies wouldn't need blu-ray if they were smart about how they made their graphics. 8 bit stuff can look nearly as good as what we have now, just it's a more time consuming process. Also, wrong forum.

[Dayoh]

The reason why SONY stuck a Blu Ray drive in the PS3 is because they made the format. The rival HD-DVD is produced by Toshiba, this goes back to the VHS Vs BETAMAX (SONY), Its ashame that Blu Ray will win now those PS3s might sell if there cheaper then the current Players lol.

Blu Rays have an awesome picture quality, the extra room is nice but if that room is never going to be fully used; why are we paying for it?

Just like this "nobody will ever use 100 percent of its (PS3) capability" Phil Harrison, why add all this stuff, ultimately making it costly when its never going to be used?

[Faiien]

rofl...i didnt even realize i posted this thread in the wrong spot
if any admins wanna move it feel free too but i feel that if it stays in the members lounge it'll get more discussion

[Twitch6000]

LOL that video made me laugh.I am glad I have a ps3 also hummm now what should I buy im all set lol.*saves up for a nuke lol*.

[Giggilyomeromicon]

I'm not terribly concerned with the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD competition. The quality of regular DVDs look just fine to me, so I won't be investing in a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player until their prices drop, and by that time one of them should have come out on top.

[Serban]

Apparently the pornographic industry is still in its infant stages about this new High Definition option.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qB-yrieeElA
(no obscene features present)

[Nuts]

Sony makes a Blu-Ray player for $399, just as much as the PS3. I recently bought such a player, and when I realized I could have the crappy PS3 for the same cost, I ditched the stand-alone player and went for the console. Additionally, over the holidays, Sony offered 5 free Blu-Ray movies with purchase of the console, so I got $100-$150 in free movies on top of the SpiderMan 3 copy inside the box (which wasn't worth paying for.)

As for definition, no, if you have a standard definition television, you won't notice a difference Giggly. But if you have a high definition TV, you're going to find that the upgrade is so very worth it. A standard DVD on a high def set looks fake, almost cartoonish when you're anywhere close to the screen. The public was accustomed to the horizontal resolution lines and to most people, they look fine because their eyes are adjusted to this. However, it becomes glaringly obvious when you have a television capable of so much better, yet your medium is crappy 425 lines of resolution. It's like cleaning your windows on a foggy day, the view doesn't get any better.

And for the record, Blu-Ray won because they dominated the P.R. war. They bought the influence of several key studios and a major video marketing giant, Blockbuster. It was when Blockbuster went exclusive Blu-Ray that I knew the battle was over.

[GenocideAlive]

I didn't know the battle ended. How does one know?

[Nuts]

It's still an outside possibility that HD-DVD could survive, but consumers have demonstrated in the past that they are unwilling to support two competing technologies. Warner Brothers decision go Blu-Ray is considered by many, including myself, to be the beginning of the end for HD-DVD. I liked HD-DVD due to it's cheap adoption costs, but I also want to support a winner and I waited until I was fairly certain of the outcome. If I were to be wrong, I would be the proud owner of a third rate gaming console.

[Twitch6000]

It's still an outside possibility that HD-DVD could survive, but consumers have demonstrated in the past that they are unwilling to support two competing technologies. Warner Brothers decision go Blu-Ray is considered by many, including myself, to be the beginning of the end for HD-DVD. I liked HD-DVD due to it's cheap adoption costs, but I also want to support a winner and I waited until I was fairly certain of the outcome. If I were to be wrong, I would be the proud owner of a third rate gaming console.
Third rate my ass The ps3(again I will say if you have a hd tv) is very great.
Only downside right now is the games.Ofcourse this years list of coming games for the ps3 console is large.
So do not call ps3 third rate because it is truly the best.What it is meant for is the future because Sony was smart and thought ahead unlike its competition.
Ofcourse don't get me wrong either I like the Wii and Xbox systems for just one or two games(mainly bio shock on xbox360 and mario on wii).

[Nuts]

Only downside right now is the games.Ofcourse this years list of coming games for the ps3 console is large.
Which is why I say it's 3rd rate. And of their "large" list of games, how many are exclusive to PS3? Let me rephrase, how many "good" games are exclusive to PS3. I have both, Xbox360 and PS3, so I feel I am pretty damn objective here. But Sony has lost every exclusive worth having, save a few moderately successful titles.

But quite literally, PS3 is 3rd rate, if by no other standard than sales alone.

[Twitch6000]

They have just the same amount of exclusives as any other console they currently only have I think 15-25.By the end of this year they will have 25-50.That will be a little less then the other game exclusives but,that to me isn't a very big deal because looking at others HALO sucks,Bioshock you can get on pc,mario and all that well those are fun but,are more for kids,even thinking abput it I think wii has the most exclusives :o.

Anyways the ps3 has the best graphics and online service.

[Nuts]

Best online service? By whose standard? The graphics, well, they may have the most powerful processor, but no game has yet to make use of it, so why should anyone care about that?

As for exclusives, allow me to rephrase, Xbox360 has more exclusives that are actually relevant to my interests. I love it when people slam Halo because it's one of those criticisms that just reeks of jealousy. Halo 3 has amassed over $450 million dollars in sales. Does that sound like a symptom of a bad game?

Money talks my friend, and the PS3 is way behind the curve in sales.

[IrishDutchman]

The graphics, well, they may have the most powerful processor, but no game has yet to make use of it, so why should anyone care about that?

As of now, the Xbox 360 is definitely the better console. I wouldn't be surprised though, if in the next year so, the PS3 will really get going. It won't take long before we are capable of producing graphics that the xbox can't take, but the PS3 can. Then the full potential of the PS3 will be unlocked. it will leap ahead in quality and will be more attractive for producers to release their games on.
IMO you're taking a gamble by buying a PS3. It might turn out to be superior in future, but right now it ain't great. You'll always have a blu-ray player though, which is a nice plus.

[Giggilyomeromicon]

As of now, the Xbox 360 is definitely the better console. I wouldn't be surprised though, if in the next year so, the PS3 will really get going. It won't take long before we are capable of producing graphics that the xbox can't take, but the PS3 can. Then the full potential of the PS3 will be unlocked. it will leap ahead in quality and will be more attractive for producers to release their games on.

I'm sorry, but do you actually know anything about the PS3's hardware? With all of Sony's bragging about how good it is, it actually falls short of the Xbox 360 in several key areas. One such is the fact, it can't load textures as fast as the Xbox 360 can (I think we've heard this before about a Sony console), seeing as how it has less RAM then your average computer.

Secondly, it takes so much longer, and it's so much harder to actually make a game for the PS3 then it is for the other two systems it'd turn off developers. This is probably why we haven't seen (m)any 3rd party games being released for it that are exclusive.

IMO you're taking a gamble by buying a PS3. It might turn out to be superior in future, but right now it ain't great. You'll always have a blu-ray player though, which is a nice plus.

You're right, unless Blu-Ray loses to HD-DVD in the end.

[Lithium]

Giggly, we're all speculating here, that's all. I believe that it's not the space that makes the Blu-Ray so much better, it's the speed in which the device receives the information. Another thing - you're right the PS3 doesn't have two cores, it only has one. However, The 360 fails [miserably] at some things:

Blu-Ray
Hard Drive Space
Insanely huge controllers
Bad publicity "red ring of death"

[Giggilyomeromicon]

Blu-Ray

What about it? It's not like it's going to break the Xbox 360 because it can't play Blu-Ray discs. It's marketed as a gaming machine, not a movie player.

I'm pretty sure that Microsoft has also said that they would consider making the Xbox 360 Blu-Ray capable, but don't quote me on it.

Hard Drive Space

If you feel that you need more then 20 gigs for your 360 then feel free to buy a bigger hard drive...

Insanely huge controllers

Are you thinking of the origional Xbox? Because the 360 and PS3 controllers are roughly the same size.

Bad publicity "red ring of death"

I have to grant you, the RROD isn't working wonders for the 360s reputation, but from what I've heard Microsoft will replace your Xbox for free, and they've fixed the problem in the new models.

[Lithium]

Ah, so we have a 360 (also a Wii) Fanboy. Sorry, no way I can convince you. Again sorry for wasting your time.

[Giggilyomeromicon]

Ah, so we have a 360 Fanboy. Sorry, no way I can convince you. Again sorry for wasting your time.

Actually, I like my Wii more then my 360. And maybe if you felt like presenting actual facts rather then just opinions on why the 360 is worse I might be more keen to agree with you.

[pytum]

xbox 360

-pay for online
-no next-gen player
-no wireless internet
-only first/third person-shooters best sellers (also war games)
-no 1080p
-no replaceable hard drive
-no rechargeable controllers
-big power brick
-high failure rate
-scratching disks

PS3

-blu ray player
-replaceable hd
-rechargeable controllers
-no headset
-1080p
-better processor (8 cpu running at 3ghz)
-heavy
-failure rate minor
-super computer
-linux capable
-plays ps2 hits (80gb)

blu ray

-25 gb one layer/50 gb double layer
-now is heavily supported
-disney with blu ray

hd dvd

-17 gb one layer /34 gb double layer
-fewer supporters
-lossing supporters

[Lithium]

Blu Ray has that much space? Holy shit!

[kongurous]

xbox 360

-pay for online
-no next-gen player
-no wireless internet
-only first/third person-shooters best sellers (also war games)
-no 1080p
-no replaceable hard drive
-no rechargeable controllers
-big power brick
-high failure rate
-scratching disks

PS3

-blu ray player
-replaceable hd
-rechargeable controllers
-no headset
-1080p
-better processor (8 cpu running at 3ghz)
-heavy
-failure rate minor
-super computer
-linux capable
-plays ps2 hits (80gb)

blu ray

-25 gb one layer/50 gb double layer
-now is heavily supported
-disney with blu ray

hd dvd

-17 gb one layer /34 gb double layer
-fewer supporters
-lossing supporters

Translation: Oh hey, I'm lying about the 360 to make the PS3 sound better. Please pound me in the ass for I am a moron.

Do any research of your own and you will find that all of the things about the 360 mentioned in the quoted post are false except for Xbox Live not being free and the PS3 is full of bias and flat out falsities.

[Giggilyomeromicon]

xbox 360

-pay to play online
-plays HD-DVDs (potentially Blu-Ray)
-wireless internet adapter
-variety of games
-1080p
-more RAM then PS3
-replaceable hard drive (up to 120 GB)
-rechargeable controllers
-old models have high failure rate/new ones don't
-plays origional xbox games

PS3

-blu-ray player
-replaceable hd (up to 80gb)
-wireless internet
-lacking in game support
-rechargeable controllers
-free online
-1080p
-better processor then 360
-lower failure rate
-plays ps2 games

blu ray

-25 gb one layer/50 gb double layer
-more support

hd dvd

-15 gb one layer /30 gb double layer/ 51 gb triple layer
-less support

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this seems like a far less biased comparison to me

[pytum]

Translation: Oh hey, I'm lying about the 360 to make the PS3 sound better. Please pound me in the ass for I am a moron.

:concern:nice translation... the ps3 is better than the xbox in some things... and the xbox in others... but i think that the ps3 has more good things:rolleyes:

Do any research of your own and you will find that all of the things about the 360 mentioned in the quoted post are false except for Xbox Live not being free and the PS3 is full of bias and flat out falsities.

mark those that are lies

ill fix some

xbox 360

-pay for online (50 dlls for 12 months)
-no next-gen player (yes, pay 180 dlls more)
-no wireless internet(yes, pay 100 dlls more)
-only first/third person-shooters best sellers (also war games) (halo 3, gears of war, mass effect, bioshock, call of duty, rainbow six vegas, ace combat, medal of honor, assassin's creed)
-1080p
-no replaceable hard drive(yes, but only xbox's hd 20,120 gb)
-no rechargeable controllers (yes, add 12 dlls)
-big power brick
-high failure rate (ok older models, but the reputation is still there)
-scratching disks http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/news/Xbox-360-Game-Disc-Scratched.htm

PS3

-blu ray player
-replaceable hd (laptop hard drives fit in ps3, sata 2.5'' and i dont know the limit of capacity of the hd that the ps3 can recognize)
-rechargeable controllers
-no headset
-1080p
-better processor (8 cpu running at 3ghz) (no game has fully reached the full capacity of the ps3 yet)
-heavy
-failure rate minor
-super computer
-linux capable
-plays ps2 hits (80gb)

blu ray

-25 gb one layer/50 gb double layer
-now is heavily supported
-disney with blu ray (true. check disney's site)

hd dvd

-17 gb one layer /34 gb double layer
-fewer supporters
-lossing supporters (warner bros, example)

[Dayoh]

Its nice how u highlight u have to pay for XboxLive whereas its the best service to play console games on at the moment, theres like how many million subcribers...

only first/third person-shooters best sellers (also war games) (halo 3, gears of war, mass effect, bioshock, call of duty, rainbow six vegas, ace combat, medal of honor, assassin's creed)


Isnt the PS3 lineup practicly the same? just add some racers that 360 has.

hd dvd

-17 gb one layer /34 gb double layer
-fewer supporters
-lossing supporters (warner bros, example)

thats an extra not bundled, Microsoft didnt make HD-DVD that was toshiba they decided to support it

-plays ps2 hits (80gb)


I heard that even the 80gb model has problems playing PS2 games.

-better processor (8 cpu running at 3ghz) (no game has fully reached the full capacity of the ps3 yet)


Why brag about shit that is never going to be used, making the console more expensive.

[Giggilyomeromicon]

I like how there are no examples of PS3 games. Maybe it's because there aren't any!

[pytum]

because the ps3 has one year of life, and the xbox360 has two years... that explains a part... and with the launch of halo 3 the xbox raised its sales and because of that, more games were developed... but wait till grand theft auto be released on ps3...

[Dayoh]

but wait till grand theft auto be released on ps3...

Dont forget 360 :D.

Stop saying its only been around for a year, if its soo good like you claim wouldnt the games be pouring in?

Also if u say games take awhile to make, yes they do but im sure lots of 3rd party developers would get on board to make a stream of releases.

heck, the WII has only been out for a year and its outselling them both.

[Nuts]

Wii is more than just a game console, it's seen by many as a family entertainment unit. Many adults can't get into FPS and RPG games, but give them an interactive bowling game and they can't put it down. Wii is also seen as more child friendly which gives parents a sense of security knowing that their kids won't be playing questionable games. (I don't know that this has any basis in truth, but it certainly appears that way.)

[GenocideAlive]

I'm really sorry to all the PS3 fanboys, but the PS3 is total ass. It's expensive, it's got no exclusive game titles, and it's got crap bundled with it that you may or may not want. It has no online support worth mentioning, and its only draw is that it's got potential. Which nobody seems to care about, because Xbox360 delivers.

And no, the PS3's lineup is not "practically the same" as the Xbox360, which by Crysis, Mass Effect, Halo, and Gears of War alone blows the PS3 out of the water. And the Wii's draw is the same as the Atari--it's dirt cheap and morons can play it. Really, who wants to pay $600 for an experts-only gaming console that has no exclusive titles? $500? It's ridiculous, that's more than a car payment.

[pytum]

dude... the ps3 is cheaper than the xbox360, i mean, if you add the features that the xbox doesnt have but the ps3 has, with the normal price of the official xbox accesories.. the xbox is expensive as hell (starting at 349/449 dlls + wireless 100 dlls + hd dvd 180 dlls)

arent forza motorstorm and marvel the ultimate alliance crap that you may or may not want ?

do you see? only war games Crysis, Mass Effect, Halo, and Gears of War... too bad that only war games are best sellers... i want variety

man... are you sure that the ps3 is only an experts-only gaming console? i must say that you are wrong... i mean, cant you press a single button to do stuff?

but... what do you mean with experts-only gaming console?

[Giggilyomeromicon]

dude... the ps3 is cheaper than the xbox360, i mean, if you add the features that the xbox doesnt have but the ps3 has, with the normal price of the official xbox accesories.. the xbox is expensive as hell (starting at 349/449 dlls + wireless 100 dlls + hd dvd 180 dlls)

Then don't buy the add-ons.

arent forza motorstorm and marvel the ultimate alliance crap that you may or may not want ?

Actually, they're both really good games.

do you see? only war games Crysis, Mass Effect, Halo, and Gears of War... too bad that only war games are best sellers... i want variety

Crysis isn't a 360 game. Mass Effect is an RPG, which basically leaves Halo and GoW as best selling war games on the 360. You also left out CoD4.

You can, believe it or not, buy games that aren't best sellers OR war games! It's amazing, really. And I bet you the PS3 would have best selling war games if, you know, the PS3 sold games.

man... are you sure that the ps3 is only an experts-only gaming console? i must say that you are wrong... i mean, cant you press a single button to do stuff?

I'm sorry, but the PS3 is being targeted for the fanboy/hardcore gamer audience. If you think it's for casual games, you should look at the Wii

[TitanWing]

dude... the ps3 is cheaper than the xbox360, i mean, if you add the features that the xbox doesnt have but the ps3 has, with the normal price of the official xbox accesories.. the xbox is expensive as hell (starting at 349/449 dlls + wireless 100 dlls + hd dvd 180 dlls)

arent forza motorstorm and marvel the ultimate alliance crap that you may or may not want ?

do you see? only war games Crysis, Mass Effect, Halo, and Gears of War... too bad that only war games are best sellers... i want variety
Wow...as an Xbox 360 owner, I could almost take offense at how biased you are.

-360 is cheap to start with, so it doesn't force you to pay for shit like a blu-ray that many people don't get to take advantage of anyways (you think we all play on plasma TVs the size of football fields? No, I play it on my computer monitor.
-If you want game variety, you couldn't made a worse choice than the PS3. Virtually every game for the PS3 is on the 360, not counting xbox exclusives. You think you can only buy shooters for the Xbox? You apparently didn't do your research then. Xbox has far greater variety than the PS3 in games, just look it up on gamespot or something. Best sellers are not the only games out there, so shooters are best sellers, that somehow makes the completely unrelated Xbox suck? I think not.
-A lot of people don't even need wireless internet to play on XBL. I feed off of my computer's connection and it works perfectly.
-HD DVD player? Sorry, but the Xbox was actually designed to play games on. Don't throw a media player cost onto the cost of an item that isn't intended to be one to begin with. It's optional, which saved me a shitload of money that I would have been forced to spend on PS3 for features I would never use.

~Bring it on PS3

[OboeGuru]

Stop crying about the damn console war. You like the Xbox 360 because it has less pack-in features and is designed to be a console first-and-foremost? Fine. I like my PS3 because it has more pack-in features and is designed to be a complete multimedia center. Now go stick your collective heads back in the ground and stop preaching to deaf ears.

BACK TO THE FORMAT WAR...

I think the failure of WB's "Total HD" medium pretty much sums up that there is no room for both, and the fact that they have thrown in exclusive support of Blu-Ray following said failure is the biggest indication we're going to get.

I'm with Nuts, HD-DVD had a chance to hold its own, due to having the same manufacturing process as standard DVDs, but I think their decision to market the DVD/HD-DVD hybrid discs served to harm their sales more than boost them. "You can play it at a friend's house if they don't have an HD-DVD player!" Like hell. They're coming over to my place to watch it in TRUE quality.
However, I think the unsung benefit of the different manufacturing process for Blu-Ray is that it forced the companies to develop a better anti-scratch coating to protect the data layer. Can your HD-DVD withstand scouring with steel wool? I didn't think so. I've seen the condition some of my friends' CDs and DVDs are in. They'd be glad to have better scratch resistance.
And, go figure, the manufacturing cost is actually about the same per disc... lazy-ass executives. *mutter*