crappy lag on starcraft with more than 2 players

[femoimal]

help help help !
i just re-installed brood war and when I join games with more than 1 player and me, the thing lags miserably. I got an ADSL connection I share with other PCs around the house (i wired it up with CAT6 cables and have some gigabit network cards), but even alone its worthless.

So i gather there must be something softwarish going on...

my ADSL modem is a speedtouch
my router is a 3com gigabit switch5

any advice ? (oh please, not that portforward thing again!)

[Anoiktos]

1. What software are you running. (firewalls, antivirus especially)
2. Have you tried reinstalling starcraft?
3. Was it slow before with the same connection?
4. Have you run antivirus/spyware?
5. What kind of hardware do you have, what OS are you running?

[Twitch6000]

Well you know open port fowarding apperently have you port fowarded yet?
If not that is the problem due to how starcraft works.(I think its due to how the server works)

[Black.Ice]

Here are the two things I'd recommend trying.

1. Port forward your router. Check out a site called http://www.portforward.com for more details if you're not sure how.

2. Make sure you're firewall isn't hampering your connection.

[SuiCidAl-KiSmEt]

Blizzard does not support proxies (Internet connection sharing), firewalls, or routers. The settings provided are suggested settings only. However, we do have some suggested settings for BlackICE, ZoneAlarm® Pro, Sygate Personal Firewall Pro, and Windows XP's Internet Connection Firewall.
Blizzard doesn't support routers, so everyone that are forced to use one is screwed. One of the only reasons a person can get their router to work on b.net is if your lucky or if you got some kind of 'gaming router (http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=370&#DGL-4300)'. I'm not one of the lucky ones. ; (

 (http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=21109)

[Twitch6000]

Blizzard doesn't support routers, so everyone that are forced to use one is screwed. One of the only reasons a person can get their router to work on b.net is if your lucky or if you got some kind of 'gaming router (http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=370&#DGL-4300)'. I'm not one of the lucky ones. ; (

 (http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=21109)
Dude you are tripping because ever since WC# they changed that and put how to port foward all of their games.

Besides even if they did not ''support'' routers it don't matter you can just look in your regedit to see the ports used.
Main point he needs to port forward.

[SuiCidAl-KiSmEt]

Well sorry for my outrageous manner. I don't know what newer games have but StarCraft is an old game that uses primitive broadcasting to find games. I also haven't heard of any patches Blizzard made to rearrange that. StarCraft isn't use to our modern fast internet connection; if you haven't noticed, there are a lot of threads of people complaining that 'StarCraft doesn't work [online]', coincidentally routers have been pretty popular in households. I'm just as curious as why most threads mentioning lag in Warboards (and places like these (http://www.opentechsupport.net/forums/showthread.php?t=34727)), it's about StarCraft even though portforwarding has been stated almost everywhere. I'm not a computer tech-dude, but I have tried that with 3 different routers in the past, yet I kept recommending portforward many times before, but it doesn't seem to have been a satisfying solution. If femoimal says he got SC to work using only portforwarding for his router, then he either has a very good router to adjust or that I didn't knew any better. But if at all, sorry for my retort, I'm just a curious young individual. x.x

[Toucan]

I have a Netgear ADSL router, I open the modem management, I select Broodwar from a drop down menu, I click OK, it goes. Lovely modem.

You cant get away from the port forwarding issue Fem. You must work out the port forwarding issue.

Google your router make and model along with the word Battlenet. I dare say you will find step by step instructions to setup your specific router quite quickly, Then do the same for your modem.

[femoimal]

i'm so desperately not into hardware... i do not even know the IP to access my modem :concern:
Tried to port-forward the damn thing so i can use e-mule correctly.. didn't do it, even though i did it by the book (perhaps not so, but tried more than 3 times...).

Does the presence of a switch change anything in here ? Most of the times there are many PC online at my place...

i try portForward later on, i'll keep you posted, thanx. But still, how does the port forwarding problem pops up only when there are more than 2 players in the game ? Is it because broodwar then assumes a kind of special server config to transfer data packets ?

[Toucan]

Forgot to add.

You forward the modem to the switch and forward the switch to the PC's.

[Twitch6000]

Well sorry for my outrageous manner. I don't know what newer games have but StarCraft is an old game that uses primitive broadcasting to find games. I also haven't heard of any patches Blizzard made to rearrange that. StarCraft isn't use to our modern fast internet connection; if you haven't noticed, there are a lot of threads of people complaining that 'StarCraft doesn't work [online]', coincidentally routers have been pretty popular in households. I'm just as curious as why most threads mentioning lag in Warboards (and places like these (http://www.opentechsupport.net/forums/showthread.php?t=34727)), it's about StarCraft even though portforwarding has been stated almost everywhere. I'm not a computer tech-dude, but I have tried that with 3 different routers in the past, yet I kept recommending portforward many times before, but it doesn't seem to have been a satisfying solution. If femoimal says he got SC to work using only portforwarding for his router, then he either has a very good router to adjust or that I didn't knew any better. But if at all, sorry for my retort, I'm just a curious young individual. x.x
well see there is one problem with the site portfoward.com,it tells you to use a static ip and how it tells you to get it is totally wrong.If they told you how to port forward with your normal dynamic ip I bet over 70% of people could port forward alot easier.

Here is how it should be done.
lets say you have a linksys.
first to find your ip go to start,run.then type cmd in the run bar.The command prompt will pop up.In that type ipconfig.Get your ip and default gateway.
Now go to whatever browser you use type in the default gateway in the address bar.A menu will pop up.For linksys you put admin in password nothing in name by default.

go to apps and gaming.
put your ip address in the right spot,put 6112 in both port spaces,click both in protocol,and check it then save.That simple.

Go to port forward.com for other router info but,do NOT use the static ip use what I told you.

[Toucan]

I agree with the complaints voiced in this thread. With the apparent everlasting popularity of Starcraft (And we all knew it would, it has the re-playability of chess and that has been around a few years now.) it is high time Blizzard done something to bring Battlenet up to date for its customers. If software like Kali (http://www.kali.net) can simulate a LAN over just about anything for multiplayer purposes (including Starcraft!) and support max amount of players and run almost any game by default, then its high time battle.net caught up as well.

Now my point is that, if Kali can become more useful to a gamer than Battlenet to play starcraft, then that shows a serious problem with Battlenet.

[Neo]

Doesn't Hamachi work with SC?

The problam, as mentioned earlier, is that Starcraft just wasn't made to work with routers and broadband.

There is a draw though -- either you're lucky and you have a router that works with starcraft... or you don't. :(

I'm one that doesn't, cause my router doesn't like Starcraft I guess. Makes me irritated :\

-Neo

[Twitch6000]

Doesn't Hamachi work with SC?

The problam, as mentioned earlier, is that Starcraft just wasn't made to work with routers and broadband.

There is a draw though -- either you're lucky and you have a router that works with starcraft... or you don't. :(

I'm one that doesn't, cause my router doesn't like Starcraft I guess. Makes me irritated :\

-Neo
Ok so let me get this right you think certain routers just don't like starcraft?
I have used alot of routers bought from average joe places and burrowed from friends.All of them could be port forwarded.Thebrands are d-link,netgear,belkin,linksys,and all have done great.I do know that if you have dsl you have to go to the dsl provider link which is another ip type thing.When on there port foward starcraft.Even then it might not work I know because at my moms place her dsl provider is an ass.

[masterofhobbiton]

In my experiance, all routers work with starcraft. Yes, though, hamachi also works.

[Toucan]

The point is though, Blizzard should really fix this.
How many copies of Starcraft have been sold since ADSL or cable became more common than dial-up. I wouldn't like to even hazard a guess. But I think it would be enough to make the fix a reasonable effort to expect Blizzard to make.

[Twitch6000]

The point is though, Blizzard should really fix this.
How many copies of Starcraft have been sold since ADSL or cable became more common than dial-up. I wouldn't like to even hazard a guess. But I think it would be enough to make the fix a reasonable effort to expect Blizzard to make.
Ok now that I can agree with.

[Neo]

Ok so let me get this right you think certain routers just don't like starcraft?
I have used alot of routers bought from average joe places and burrowed from friends.All of them could be port forwarded.Thebrands are d-link,netgear,belkin,linksys,and all have done great.I do know that if you have dsl you have to go to the dsl provider link which is another ip type thing.When on there port foward starcraft.Even then it might not work I know because at my moms place her dsl provider is an ass.

In my experiance, all routers work with starcraft. Yes, though, hamachi also works.

And oddly enough, even though my ports are forwarded correctly for starcraft, it doesn't work if I get in a battle.net game with greater then 1 other person. If there is, it lags horribly.

Thats why some routers have updates that amount to "works better for starcraft"

Yes I can get on battle.net, no I can't play unless I'm interested in 1v1.

-Neo

[Twitch6000]

And oddly enough, even though my ports are forwarded correctly for starcraft, it doesn't work if I get in a battle.net game with greater then 1 other person. If there is, it lags horribly.

Thats why some routers have updates that amount to "works better for starcraft"

Yes I can get on battle.net, no I can't play unless I'm interested in 1v1.

-Neo
well see that seems to be something to do with your isp.If you have dsl then that could be the problem.If not then check if yout isp has a link to allow certain programs.Also if you have something like norton you have to foward it through there.Finally if none of that wrks and you still lag you might just have a bad computer or connection.

[Neo]

well see that seems to be something to do with your isp.If you have dsl then that could be the problem.If not then check if yout isp has a link to allow certain programs.Also if you have something like norton you have to foward it through there.Finally if none of that wrks and you still lag you might just have a bad computer or connection.

It's not my internet. Because if I plug it directly into the computer, it works fine.

It's the router.

But since we require the router to give internet connections to the others, I can't very well hijack just to play starcraft =p

I know the issue, what causes it and such, because I come back to it every few months when the urge to play starcraft hits.

-Neo

[Twitch6000]

if it is your router then you must have not port fowarded correctly or even at all lol.

[Neo]

Diablo, Warcraft II Battle.net Edition, and StarCraft:
Allow port 6112-6119 TCP and UDP out and in

http://up.kupatrix.com/f/1/forward.png

You know, stop acting as if you're some kind of know it all guru.

The fact is that starcraft was made before broadband and routers, and in this day, sometimes it just doesn't work right, even with the right settings. As you can see I even forwarded 116 and 118 which is mentioned on Portforward as an after thought.

I don't run a firewall.

Starcraft is still unplayable on battle.net unless it's just me and one other person. Anymore and it lags unbearably.

-Neo

[Twitch6000]

NO NO NO NO you did forward wrong very wrong indeed.
you forwarded the default gateway :/.
You should forward the ip address of the computer you want starcraft to host on.
To get this go to start run type cmd.
in the black screen type ipconfig.
NOW by the word ip address use that line of numbers to forward with.
So please Don't insult me when you have no clue wtf you are talking about.

[SuiCidAl-KiSmEt]

Assuming Neo knew what he was doing;
Last resort:
Make sure UPnP is always turn on. It maps the necessary ports automatically and helps the lessens the complexity of ports. I just learned that out while ago, didn't know if you knew. Other then that, ask your ISP for a replacement router. That's what my tech friend keeps telling me, me and you have similar issues. Or, ask for a new IP adress, from what I heard from someone else...

[Toucan]

NO NO NO NO you did forward wrong very wrong indeed.
you forwarded the default gateway :/.
You should forward the ip address of the computer you want starcraft to host on.
To get this go to start run type cmd.
in the black screen type ipconfig.
NOW by the word ip address use that line of numbers to forward with.
So please Don't insult me when you have no clue wtf you are talking about.

The default gateway on that network is 192.168.1.1
Neo's PC is obviously 192.168.1.2

Same as mine, I have a netgear modem/router. (EDIT: By default every netgear modem/router I have worked on uses 192.168.0.x, appears to be a manually setup network at a guess.)

I have encountered problems with routers and Starcraft as well, and like Neo I also work part time as a call out PC technician. I have information Tech Cert IV qualifications (don't know what the US equivalent is) and usually can fix most things i come across. Some routers just don't work with SC and thats that. But I will keep an open mind, I have only encountered the problem several dozen times, maybe I lack the experience needed to deal with it.

How many times you fixed this for other people before Neo?

[Neo]

NO NO NO NO you did forward wrong very wrong indeed.
you forwarded the default gateway :/.
You should forward the ip address of the computer you want starcraft to host on.
To get this go to start run type cmd.
in the black screen type ipconfig.
NOW by the word ip address use that line of numbers to forward with.
So please Don't insult me when you have no clue wtf you are talking about.

You need to chill. My internal LAN IP Address for my computer is 192.168.1.2 my mother's is *.3, our second computer is usually *.4.

You have no idea what my abilities are, so please don't assume you're automatically superior.

The fact is that starcraft for me, does not work on battle.net unless I'm only playing with one other person. Obviously this means that my ports are forwarding correctly (since I can both host and join a game), the problem happens once I am actually IN a game. I will lag it down for myself, as well as everyone else.

So before you act like you know it all, you've got to accept that you don't.

Besides, it's obvious the router is the key, since when I remove it from the equation, starcraft works perfectly fine.

Toucan - Heh, how many times? No idea. Enough to be irritated since I help everyone else get on to playing SC, and I can't do it myself :p Though to be fair it's about time I pickup a new router anyways.

-Neo

[Twitch6000]

Wow I was a little harsh sorry,I was crabby that day from other problems :/.

Anyways You have proved me wrong and the reason why I thought you put the default gateway was cause some modems(as I said)let you in to fiddle with and have a similar ip.
Anyways yeah you proved me wrong :p.

Now to sucidal yes that UPnP could help in some ways but,if you have a PS3 the UPnP turned on makes a problem.So it needs to be turned off.

[Neo]

Yeah, sorry on my end to.

I get touchy with starcraft, because for me it was the first online game, and now I'm basically barred from playing it at all, you know?

It's alright though, I'm planning on picking a better router soon and sticking dd-wrt on it getting some starcraft lans going on, as well as staying up playing crazy UMSes xD

doesn't help that my router is held together with masking tape and it's antenna fell off.

-Neo

[Twitch6000]

LOL masking tape :p.

Humm why can't you get on battle.net are you grounded or is it the router :o.IF its the router well then thats a sure sign of needing a new router lol.