Copying CDs

[bluemicrobyte]

(I'm not sure if this is appropriate for Warboards, but...)

Does anybody know how to copy a CD that has been somehow copy protected by the creators of the CD? I know some blizzard games are copy protected, but thats not what I'm trying to copy. (I bought 2 copies of starcraft just for the CD-Key)

Also, does anyone know how to change the letter of your CD drive on windows xp?

[peace_machine]

It is illegal to copy game CDs (for whatever reason). Some companies protect their CDs so that you can't copy them, this works on most common burning programs. Try using something like CloneCD or Alcohol.

To change teh CD drive letter:
Controll pannel>Administrative tools>Computer managment>

Select the storage tab>Disc managment
Right click a drive and select change drive letter.

[bluemicrobyte]

To change teh CD drive letter:
Controll pannel>Administrative tools>Computer managment>

Select the storage tab>Disc managment
Right click a drive and select change drive letter.ok thanks.

I am not trying to copy CDs for any illegal purpose, just for my own personal use.

[peace_machine]

ok thanks.

I am not trying to copy CDs for any illegal purpose, just for my own personal use.
Unless you have written signed permission from the publisher its illegal.

[Seal]

Copying any media to private use is legal (backups anyone?). Only broadcasting, sharing and other public use is illegal.

[Modred]

Copying any media to private use is legal (backups anyone?). Only broadcasting, sharing and other public use is illegal.

That's the same defense ROM websites use. However, no one follows that rule and Nintendo (not sure about Sony) will still sue them and those who download their files. :p

[Graeme]

That's the same defense ROM websites use. However, no one follows that rule and Nintendo (not sure about Sony) will still sue them and those who download their files. :p
I've never actually seen a Nintendo law suit based on ROM usage X_x.

[Modred]

I've never actually seen a Nintendo law suit based on ROM usage X_x.

Because Nintendo gives them an option, take the site offline or be sued. If you remember that "nice" letter that Infocepter got from Blizzard about its WarIII SC conversion, then think something along the same lines, only from Nintendo.

[Spdstr]

LOL! I know everyone uses roms ;), that's what backup devices are for, buy one of those (or a mod chip for PS2, Xbox, Gamecube) and you NEVER have to buy ANOTHER game again ;).

Yah, use CloneCD it let me copy The Sims expansions (normally protected) I did it just before my origional got messed up by my CD drive :P, talk about lucky :D.

Member,
~ Spdstr

[Dark_Viper]

Get "Game X Copy" before 321 Studios goes out of business

http://www.321studios.com/

this program allows you to creat a PERFECT copy of any game(only for Backup, not for illegal use)

[WeekendLazyness]

Change a Drive Letter:
http://www.warboards.org/showpost.php?p=66879

[Battlecruiser]

Yeah, that is how I play Starcraft. I burnt it. But, because Starcraft is such a good game, I am thinking about buying the game, just to pay up for the fun I had.

[bluemicrobyte]

Unless you have written signed permission from the publisher its illegal.I know, peace_machine.

Yeah, that is how I play Starcraft. I burnt it. But, because Starcraft is such a good game, I am thinking about buying the game, just to pay up for the fun I had.lol, its only like 10-15 bucks, buy warcraft, youll make blizzard richer.

LOL! I know everyone uses roms ;), that's what backup devices are for, buy one of those (or a mod chip for PS2, Xbox, Gamecube) and you NEVER have to buy ANOTHER game again ;).

Yah, use CloneCD it let me copy The Sims expansions (normally protected) I did it just before my origional got messed up by my CD drive :P, talk about lucky :D.

Member,
~ Spdstris cloneCD free? where can I find it?

[Dark_Warhawk]

CloneCD was sold to slysoft for legal reasons http://www.slysoft.com/en/ it’s not free but I think they have a free trail, personally I would go with Alcohol 120%

[bluemicrobyte]

I'm trying to figure out how to use Alchohol 120% right now. any advice?

[peace_machine]

I can't help you there, I set up my virtual drives, loaded the images and let it be. I am too cheap to buy the program (not that I have my own credit card anyway ^^) so it has expired, cant open it.

I always thought that any type of copying was illegal. Not that it stoped me from making backups of my games (Yes I buy all my games legit) just incase a CD cracks in my drive again. lol that was freaky!

[bluemicrobyte]

Actually, when you install most software you accept a license agreement that says you can make one copy for personel backup purposes only. As long as you own the CD it should be ok to copy it for yourself. Right?

[peace_machine]

I think I read 1 licence agreement when I was 10 and bot board , so I really don't know. I just go on what otehr people tell me.

[bluemicrobyte]

I just click "accept" lol

[Whiteknight]

I just click "accept" lol
/me sends multitudes of spyware and trojans to BMB

Yes... just click accept. :devil:

(OMG, I finally found a use for that smiley! ^^)

[bluemicrobyte]

* Whiteknight sends multitudes of spyware and trojans to BMB

Yes... just click accept. :devil:

(OMG, I finally found a use for that smiley! ^^)lol, I know what I'm accepting, I just don't read the license agreement for software I buy from companies like blizzard, if its from you I'm gonna quarantine it and submit it to AVERT for analysis! (Anti Virus Emergency Response Team)

[Spdstr]

Yah, CloneCD is free if you ...AHEM... now what was I saying?

Member,
~ Spdstr

[bluemicrobyte]

STEAL IT?!? or did you mean buy it

[Spdstr]

No, not steal it. lol, what type of a person do you think I am? lol, I meant buy it of course *looks around strangely at everyone* ;)

Member,
~ Spdstr

Although, it is expensive XP

Member,
~ Spdstr

[bluemicrobyte]

How much?

[peace_machine]

CloneCD costs money? Like real money?

[bluemicrobyte]

no peace_machine, counterfeit money is fine.

[Richardc269]

CloneCD is like 40 bucks or some shit (Rip off). Hell...I'd just go on Kazaa Lite, download some key generator and you got it. I wouldn't pay fuckin' 40 bucks for that shit when I could get it for free. I also got Nero (great program), and yes, I have the original CD somewhere.

Secondly...copying CD's. Copying CD's is fine if it's for back-up. What I have read is, you can copy the CD, and you can sell the Original, (not the copy, then it's illegal), you can do this if you have the original. Personally, I think Nero and CloneCD are the best programs. CloneCD is best for imaging.

What I did with SC and BW, I took the CD's, burned them to Images on my hard drive, then I got Daemon Tools, (immulating program), and mount the image(s) to the immulating hard drive, and bingo...no need for CD. Works for most games. (Not including Baldur's Gate or games that require more than 1 disc to play). Most games require only one "play" disc. Games like Baldur's Gate, require 5 discs to play. Such as you go into a certain area, and if you step into another "county" let's call it, it will require the numbered disc to play that area. Give you an example...the game requires 5 discs. Each disc holds data for each "county". Like as in, the line is drawn when you cross a certain area. Each disc has information for so many little areas. Such as, Disc 1 has information for about 5 areas. Let's say your on Disc 3, (which would be the Mines), and you decide to go to the Candle Keep area, it will then ask for Disc 1. And there are tons of little area's to go to. And each disc has a "county". I hope I made sense...a little more clear way here...

Reality for a second here..."Counties" as we call them...are a line drawn for a certain amount of land, and hold some number of cities within them. Like let's say Santa Barbara county has 5 cities within it. Baldur's Gate is like the same. Each disc is like a "county" holding certain land, or areas. If you step out of a "county" line (disc area line), it will ask for that certain disc number. Like the city of Baldur's Gate (and a couple areas around it), are disc 5. Thats a better explanation.

Anyway, games like that, Daemon won't work. And Daemon can only mount 4 drives. BG has 5 discs, so yea...

Back to the discussion...

Copying...Nero, CloneCD both underrun the "Protection" on the CD. CD's have some "invisible" files (that are protection files), that the burning program does not copy over (because it can't see it), therefore, it will know it's not the real CD. Thats when you bring in image files and use a CD immulating program. (This is not illegal by the way that I know of). Yea I know you may think I'm a cheap skate (which I am because if it's free, why not get it?) Anyway...the only way copying CD's is illegal? Copying the CD and selling the copies, THATS illegal. Copying the CD and selling the original is NOT. Copying the CD and saying it's a back-up is NOT illegal. So if the cops come and say your arrested, you say "Bullshit you can arrest me, it's a back-up, therefore you can't do shit unless you got proof I did anything against the law"...you win the case. I also noticed, in certain sites (I'm talking about sites that have Blizzard games in them), they say that if your related to a Blizz employee, used to be one, are one, you can't enter their site or you committed a crime. (A bill that Bill Clinton signed). I don't know it entirely, but thats what some sites say. And they say it's a place for back-ups and what not. And the company can't do shit. I thought it was just hilarious that they couldn't close the site. I laughed. Sorry, but I did, lol. Anyway...hope I didn't sound confused about BG...

[bluemicrobyte]

Richard, I have Baulders Gate, I know what your talking about. In any case, could you give me some simple steps to get a protected CD (Unreal Tournament 2004) onto a virtual drive on my computer? (Running windows XP)

[hammocksleeper]

We really shouldn't be arguing about whether or not it is legal to make a "backup" copy. The answer is quite simple: if it's not in the license agreement, you can't do it.

But you also shouldn't assume that he is copying some piece of software or something with a license agreement. While he very well may be doing this, you should be aware that companies aren't the only ones who copy-protect CDs. He could have made his own CD, copy-protected it, but now has decided he wants to copy it.

Not saying you were thinking these things, just offering possibilities. :)

[Battlecruiser]

I just click "accept" lol
Same here. How can you possibly read a 40 paragraphs about copyrights and stuff, and not fall asleep?

[bluemicrobyte]

We really shouldn't be arguing about whether or not it is legal to make a "backup" copy. The answer is quite simple: if it's not in the license agreement, you can't do it.

But you also shouldn't assume that he is copying some piece of software or something with a license agreement. While he very well may be doing this, you should be aware that companies aren't the only ones who copy-protect CDs. He could have made his own CD, copy-protected it, but now has decided he wants to copy it.

Not saying you were thinking these things, just offering possibilities. :).... sure we can go with that, so how to you copy or make a CD image of a protected CD?

[Dark_Warhawk]

Richard, I have Baulders Gate, I know what your talking about. In any case, could you give me some simple steps to get a protected CD (Unreal Tournament 2004) onto a virtual drive on my computer? (Running windows XP)


not needed. UT 2004 don't use CD checks with the last patch. thank god, that thing was a bitch to back up lol

[bluemicrobyte]

So I just download the latest patch and the CD check thing will be gone? cool

Same here. How can you possibly read a 40 paragraphs about copyrights and stuff, and not fall asleep?exactly!!

[Modred]

The answer is quite simple: if it's not in the license agreement, you can't do it.

Point in case:

1. Limited Use License. Blizzard Entertainment ("Blizzard") hereby
grants, and by installing the Program you thereby accept, a limited,
non-exclusive license and right to install and use one (1) copy of the
Program for your use on either a home or portable computer.

3. Responsibilities of End User.

A. Subject to the Grant of License hereinabove, you may not, in
whole or in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse
engineer, derive source code, modify, disassemble, decompile, create
derivative works based on the Program, or remove any proprietary
notices or labels on the Program without the prior consent, in
writing, of Blizzard.

Therefore, if you were to make a copy of your StarCraft, Blizzard could sue you for violating the license. If you sold your original, they could sue you for copyright infringement as you would have no tangible evidence that you owned the original once it was sold.

I seriously doubt that Blizzard's license is unique to StarCraft, or even to Blizzard itself.

[bluemicrobyte]

A. Subject to the Grant of License hereinabove, you may not, in
whole or in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse
engineer, derive source code, modify, disassemble, decompile, create
derivative works based on the Program, or remove any proprietary
notices or labels on the Program without the prior consent, in
writing, of Blizzard.
Re-read the line in red, I'll post the appropriate section of the agreement in a moment.

[Richardc269]

Alright...Blue...to make Unreal 2004 an Image file, is very simple. If I could possibly e-mail you, (or add you to msn messenger), I can tell you how to do it. Very simple stuff.

[bluemicrobyte]

bluemicrobyte@earthlink.net
(email me I don't like MSN messenger)
I will now list the different ways you could have figured that out without asking:
1) Look in my profile
2) Visit my site, all my sites have my email
3) Visit an affiliated site, it has my email
4) ask someone that knows my email
5) Guess

[Richardc269]

Alright...I sent you an e-mail. I hope you have CloneCD because CloneCD is the best for making image files. If you don't have it, download it off of Kazaa or Kazaa Lite, (I hope you have virus protection), then scan the file for viruses and then install it. Then, you'll need a registration code (if you don't wanna buy it), download a Clone CD key generator and scan it, then use it. And your done...anyway...write back on the e-mail if I have confused you on the instructions.

[Modred]

Re-read the line in red, I'll post the appropriate section of the agreement in a moment.

You made the wrong line red. What you highlighted says you can't take Blizzard's name off of the program. I think you meant to highlight the "without the prior consent, in writing, of Blizzardt." But if it is in the license that you cannot copy it, why would Blizzard give you permission to make a "backup" unless you could prove there might be a problem with your CD?

Don't try to beat me on the legal argument.

[Spdstr]

Alright...Blue...to make Unreal 2004 an Image file, is very simple. If I could possibly e-mail you, (or add you to msn messenger), I can tell you how to do it. Very simple stuff.
Um, yah, anyway if you have a dual DVD Drive (2 layers) you can burn all 7 CDs onto 1 DVD (That's all they did for the DVD version which I bought :D)

Member,
~ Spdstr

[bluemicrobyte]

You made the wrong line red. What you highlighted says you can't take Blizzard's name off of the program. I think you meant to highlight the "without the prior consent, in writing, of Blizzardt." But if it is in the license that you cannot copy it, why would Blizzard give you permission to make a "backup" unless you could prove there might be a problem with your CD?

Don't try to beat me on the legal argument.I highlited the right line. You cannot take blizzards name off the program, it doesn't say you can't copy the program now does it?

Um, yah, anyway if you have a dual DVD Drive (2 layers) you can burn all 7 CDs onto 1 DVD (That's all they did for the DVD version which I bought :D)

Member,
~ Spdstrcan you do that?? the DVD version comes with two DVDs I think.


........Your right, it doesn't say you can copy in the license agreement. I'm gonna write to blizzard sometime and ask.

[Richardc269]

Boys...almost every factory has this on their CD. (Or in the liscence agreement), "Do not make illegal copies of this disc."

But...in law...you may make a "back-up" copy of what you own as long as you own the original.

[bluemicrobyte]

yes, and that proves the point "you can make 1 backup copy"

[hammocksleeper]

But...in law...you may make a "back-up" copy of what you own as long as you own the original.
You've been shown the license agreement. How about showing me the law?

[Richardc269]

yes, and that proves the point "you can make 1 backup copy"Exactly. You can make one copy of it as a "back up" as long as you own the original. If you don't own it, your fucked and have no original CD and they can arrest you for it. Kinda sucks, but yea. "Back ups" include Image files, so you can make an image file of that CD and say its your "back up", and the cops can't do shit (unless you did somethin' besides that and they have proof, then your fucked up the kazoo.)

Like I recently imaged my Quake 3 and GTA3 on my hard drive (so I don't have to use the cd an get it scratched and what not). It's good to do that too. Like if your a clumsy person (like me sometimes), and you drop the cd or something of that sort, and gets scratched, imaging it just means, it reads it off of the hard drive, instead of the cd. Meaning all the contents of running the game from the CD is in that image file so it won't ask for the CD (Unless the game has more than one play disc, then it won't work). Like Baldur's Gate, as I mentioned earlier. I tried it with BG, wouldn't work, lol. But yea...thats it...

You've been shown the license agreement. How about showing me the law?Show it to you? Hmm...well...I wouldn't be able to at the moment. What they mean by "making illegal copies", is that you make a copy and sell the copy, thats making an illegal copy. It doesn't say you can't copy it and then say it's your back up.

Saying it's your back up isn't against the law, because 1, you're not doing anything illegal with it, it's just sitting around your house somewhere. And if the original gets fucked up, you still have that copy, and then you can image it. Thats not illegal. What's illegal is, copying it and selling the copies. You can copy it and sell the original (which I wouldn't suggest doing) because then they can arrest you, assuming that copy is illegal.

Doing anything illegal would be copying it and selling it, thats what they mean by making illegal copies. You can probably find this stuff in your normal law book. Dunno where those are though to be honest...

[Spdstr]

Guys you are aloud to make a "backup copy" that's why Burners and DVD Burners aren't illegal. Also, yes microbyte, you can burn all 7 of them on a dual layer DVD, you have to buy a Dual Layer DVD Burner and the DVDs as well though. The second disk is just bonus features, such as the videos on learning UnrealEd. The first disk is the full game ;).

Member,
~ Spdstr

[bluemicrobyte]

There are videos on learning unreal ed???? WHERE??? TELL ME!!!!!!!!!

[Modred]

........Your right, it doesn't say you can copy in the license agreement. I'm gonna write to blizzard sometime and ask.

I request you read the license again, in the part that I have reposted:

3. Responsibilities of End User.

A. Subject to the Grant of License hereinabove, you may not, in
whole or in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce...

If that doesn't say "don't copy our program" then I don't know what does.

[Dark_Warhawk]

Guys you are aloud to make a "backup copy" that's why Burners and DVD Burners aren't illegal. Also, yes microbyte, you can burn all 7 of them on a dual layer DVD, you have to buy a Dual Layer DVD Burner and the DVDs as well though. The second disk is just bonus features, such as the videos on learning UnrealEd. The first disk is the full game ;).

Member,
~ Spdstr


Yes sir you are correct, you are allowed to make a copy of material you do own however there is a catch. Thanks to the DMCA (thank you Bill Clinton) it is illegal to circumvent any CD with copy protection. The only reason programs like clone CD and alcohol 120% are even still around is they are in little European countries where DMCA can’t touch them, yet. Alcohol will be biting the dust soon enough. Just like DVD X Copy did

[Richardc269]

"3. Responsibilities of End User.

A. Subject to the Grant of License hereinabove, you may not, in
whole or in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce..."

Well...that doesn't say you can't make an image file...now does it? Certainly not. Loophole...Haha...

"Thanks to the DMCA (thank you Bill Clinton) it is illegal to circumvent any CD with copy protection." This means what exactly? What's DMCA?

[Dark_Warhawk]

Digital Millennium Copyright Act

[peace_machine]

Digital Millennium Copyright Act
¿ please explain ?

[Graeme]

Well...that doesn't say you can't make an image file...now does it? Certainly not. Loophole...Haha...

An image file is a copy//reproduction. There is no loophole X_x.

[Modred]

An image file is a copy//reproduction. There is no loophole X_x.

Precisely. There is a federal copyright law that allows you to make one copy for backup purposes, however, this is subject to the license agreement of the company and may or may not be granted depending on their wishes.

[Dark_Warhawk]

¿ please explain ?


err google? http://www.gseis.ucla.edu/iclp/dmca1.htm that pretty much gives you the idea what this gay thing does. i ingore as i see it as a joke as do most people i know. if you want to read the whole thing you will need a pdf reader. http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf

edit : nevermind found it in htm http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.R.2281.ENR:

[Richardc269]

An image is not a reproduction...it's more along the lines of copying, but not really. Reproductioning it would be copying it and selling the copies...thats reproducing it. Imaging is merely putting the files into an image file. (.CCD is CloneCD for an example). Even if the factory CD's say don't copy it, or the company says don't copy it...you already know tons of fuckin' people are ganna say "fuck you" to that statement and copy anything they see fit. Hardly any of them get caught doing it (the stupid ones get caught). Same with downloading music...people download it anyway, they don't give a shit about the law (neither do I in certain terms), but the people who download, they're the ones who usually are the ones who say "You aren't takin' my rights away, so fuck you.", thats what I basically say as well. Even though I don't really download music as much as I used to (56k user here), it takes a while to get just 1 even.

Anyway, people still copy CD's all the time. If a person can get it illegally, at their convenience...they'll get it from a friend or something, they won't spend the money to get that thing. Sure the company won't get the money for it, but hell, tons of people are already buying it, so yunno. Anywho...

[bluemicrobyte]

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I request you read the license again, in the part that I have reposted:
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A. Subject to the Grant of License hereinabove, you may not, in
whole or in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce... http://img.orgnetwork.com/wb/misc/quotes/quot-bot-left.gifhttp://img.orgnetwork.com/wb/misc/quotes/quot-bot-right.gif
If that doesn't say "don't copy our program" then I don't know what does.
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Reread what you asked me to read, and pretend you dont know what this is that your reading. It says you may not copy, etc..... but, that part doesn't say what its talking about. It could be talking about the box. (probably not though)