Rumor mill is running again!

[kongurous]

So I was talking with my gaming buddies after a good game of 40k (Ultramarines vs Space Wolves. I was Ultra, I lost) and we got onto the subject of next summer's campaign. One of my buddies says he heard a rumor that GW is advancing the story and another great event is occurring: the Wolf Time. Yep, Leman Russ in all his wolfy glory and the entire 13th company, which is supposed to be the size of a legion.

10,000 crazed Space Marines and a man who had a fistfight with a Titan and won. Seems too good to be true, I think, but it also opens up the question of other primarchs being modeled and given stats. I think it'd be interesting to see Angron fight Lion El'Jonson or find out exactly if Jaghatai Khan ever made it out of Camorragh. Even better, what if Guilliman's neck heals and he has a rematch with Fulgrim? Very interesting.

I personally think it's BS, but what do y'all think? And do you know of any other interesting rumors?

[Ktan]

Sounds very 'endgame' which is usually the kind of thing GW tried to avoid. However, it would certainly be quite thrilling to see Primarchs duking it out. I think Leman Russ is the most likely and viable Primarch to be used, because he's one of the few loyalists that isn't actually dead/incapacitated and there have already been rumours of him fighting alongside the 13th Company during Armageddon, IIRC.

However, I think pulling Roboute out of stasis would be a step too far, as much as I'd like a model of the big Codex bashing bugger :P

[Ragnarox]

Aw man, Sanguinius already bit the dust! What kind of Primarch clashing are they going to participate in then?

Hmmm...maybe the Blood Angels will be eliminated in this, after all, they're a dying chapter as it is.

Yarr! Never! By the Blood of Sanguinius, this shall not come to pass!

[Pisces]

I think the primarchs would be to hard to balance. I mean they have to be damn powerful, like more powerful than a daemon prince, hive tyrant or warboss. But there is already very powerful heros in game like abanddon, heir to Horus (most powerful primarch) and the dark crusade, who achieved the favour of all the chaos gods. Although he isn't a Primarch. So do they make them stronger than a strength 8, 4+d6 lighting claw attacks character who is possibly the strongest fighting individual in the fluff, or weaker which makes them not so exceptional? Perhaps about the same strength could be about right, (maybe not in C/C). I think the best solution would be to give him them tactical advantages rather than sheer strength, but generally I don't expect them to be featured.

[kongurous]

I think the primarchs would be to hard to balance. I mean they have to be damn powerful, like more powerful than a daemon prince, hive tyrant or warboss. But there is already very powerful heros in game like abanddon, heir to Horus (most powerful primarch) and the dark crusade, who achieved the favour of all the chaos gods. Although he isn't a Primarch. So do they make them stronger than a strength 8, 4+d6 attack character who is possibly the strongest fighting individual in the fluff, or weaker which makes them not so exceptional? Perhaps about the same strength could be about right, (maybe not in C/C). I think the best solution would be to give him them tactical advantages rather than sheer strength, but generally I don't expect them to be featured.

They're Primarchs. They aren't supposed to be balanced. They'd only be for like Apocalypse-scaled games, and that one weapon on a Titan where you just lay down a template and everything it touches dies would make short work of a primarch.

[Dezzick]

Void Missile. And anyone who bothered doing that would be a powergaming munchkin.

Also, the powergamer/munchkin inside me would like to point out a few fluff innaccuarcies in Pisce's post, but I'll leave those to rest. =P

[Ktan]

Hmmm...maybe the Blood Angels will be eliminated in this, after all, they're a dying chapter as it is.


After they've just gone to the effort to redo the Blood Angels Codex for much free?

That, and some see it as a way to flog the older Characters and things like the Baal Predator.

It's possible, but I highly doubt it, Blood Angels are a massive part of the universe. In fact, it seems that only some Chapters get made up solely to have the snot kicked out of them so others, like the First Founding ones, don't have to :P

However, it's a shame about Sangy. He is awesome.

Perhaps, GW are hoping to break through the imaginary 41, 000 ceiling with this campaign, a la how Storm of Chaos was supposed to the the end of the Warhammer World as we know it (but it wasn't)

[Ragnarox]

After they've just gone to the effort to redo the Blood Angels Codex for much free?

Precisely. I had assumed that if they intended to make some cash out of the Blood Angels they would have printed a codex and sold it.

In fact, it seems that only some Chapters get made up solely to have the snot kicked out of them so others, like the First Founding ones, don't have to

Yeah, so we can get badass units like the veteran assault squad and the Furioso dreadnought.

[Ktan]

Fair point, but I think they wouldn't even bother, since the other codex is so old that making something they cannot profit from in the short term is a waste of their time.

And the individual Furiosa model is something else I forgot to mention.

BA are too big to remove, especially as the new Codex shows an intent to keep them playable.

[kongurous]

You don't have to remove a chapter from play just because their primarch happens to be dead. That'd render everyone but successors of the Space Wolves and maybe the Dark Angels, plus the originals themselves, gone. The only primarch that has shown any sign of being alive is Leman Russ, and that's pretty much only because he voluntarily left and said he'd be back. The other ones last seen alive (Corax, Jonson, Khan, and Guilliman) are either beyond a doubt dead, in some sort of limbo, fighting Dark Eldar/dead, or might as well be dead.

Chaos would have the advantage in this regard, being that only 2 out of their original 9 Primarchs are verified as dead. I say 2 because even Guilliman doubted that he'd killed Alpharius. Not that their surviving Primarchs even care for the world outside of the warp, much less exist in it (does Magnus even have a body?), but Perturabo might like to poke his head out and say hello in ways only a daemon prince can.

[Ragnarox]

Fair point, but I think they wouldn't even bother, since the other codex is so old that making something they cannot profit from in the short term is a waste of their time.


Man, I don't even know why I brought up that whole codex thing. I guess I was kind of joking around about it at first and suddenly it got more serious.

BA are too big to remove, especially as the new Codex shows an intent to keep them playable.

Understood, I like that line of thinking. After all, they wouldn't sell new Blood Angels models should GW plan to exterminate the chapter.

You don't have to remove a chapter from play just because their primarch happens to be dead.

I never suggested that the Blood Angels would be removed simply because their Primarch is dead, I suggested it because they are already a dying chapter (see, Red Thirst).