Horde to Alliance Ratio

[Kamikaze_Chicken]

Is there any server that isn't totally dominated by Horde, I'm currently playing on Thaurassian and there are more Blood Elves than Alliance, so it is really hard questing in contested areas (notably Stranglethorn Vale) and so I've been considering changing servers, but everywhere I go there are like 4 horde to every alliance

So yeah, is there any server (preferably Oceanic, but it doesn't really matter) that isn't heavily dominated by Horde, or should I just give in and become a Horde myself

[ScottieIWU]

Is there any server that isn't totally dominated by Horde, I'm currently playing on Thaurassian and there are more Blood Elves than Alliance, so it is really hard questing in contested areas (notably Stranglethorn Vale) and so I've been considering changing servers, but everywhere I go there are like 4 horde to every alliance

So yeah, is there any server (preferably Oceanic, but it doesn't really matter) that isn't heavily dominated by Horde, or should I just give in and become a Horde myselfThe thing is that whether or not you're on a Horde dominated server (or rather, any server dominated by the opposing faction) you're going to have trouble in areas like STV. STV has one flight point usable by Alliance with a minor Alliance town in the north, whereas Horde has a central FP and can also go to Booty Bay. All of this combined means that you're going to have a hell of a time levelling in STV on any server, no matter how even the A:H ratio may be.

That said, try this page: http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php and look around at various servers. The information is only as accurate as the census data it receives and how often that data is updated, but it's a decent source of information. Try looking at various Oceanic servers to see if you can find one that is closer to 1:1 for your liking.

Scott

[Anoiktos]

Newer servers tend to have more Horde than Alliance. Older servers tend to have more Alliance than Horde.

Try Frostwolf (my old home) if you want a PVP server with a perpetual "aren't any horde" problem. Frankly, I'd recommend staying where you are, as battlegrounds lines are likely to be less long if you're on the minority side.

On the other hand, the horde that *are* on frostwolf are high level, well-equipped, and vicious. But honorable. Don't get on SOTH's bad side.

[Maegtelluma]

Arthas is a day one server and though our Alliance used to be very dominant, the ratio is evening out a lot. Battleground queues have all but vanished, which really helps.

[Geno]

Don't come to Cenarius if you're not Horde: See this Url created by one of our forum trolls for our infamous line of Cenarius transfers:

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m83/ddawg5150/servertransfer.jpg

So in other words:

Horde []
Tits []
GTFO []

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

[WarInSerbia]

None,horde rules basicaly.

The new bloodelves are very popular,and the orcs are the cool looking ones :D

[ScottieIWU]

None,horde rules basicaly.

The new bloodelves are very popular,and the orcs are the cool looking ones :DAnd people say that Alliance are the thirteen year old kids?

Belfs ruined any respect I had for Horde, especially since their racial is ridiculously overpowered and most Horde pallies are...well..awful. Plus, the various racials of other Horde races in combination with other classes are significantly better than the Belf combos. UD rogue with WOTF > Belf rogue with MT/AT (assuming you use them in PvP, which is really the only place those two things are consistently usable).

[Geno]

And people say that Alliance are the thirteen year old kids?

Belfs ruined any respect I had for Horde, especially since their racial is ridiculously overpowered and most Horde pallies are...well..awful. Plus, the various racials of other Horde races in combination with other classes are significantly better than the Belf combos. UD rogue with WOTF > Belf rogue with MT/AT (assuming you use them in PvP, which is really the only place those two things are consistently usable).


Try being a Resto in PvP against an UD or BE Rogue. It's insane when you have an actually good Rogue then. UD just try to kill you. BE can not only stunlock you for most of it, but actually go from Cheap Shot to Kidney Shot, trinket this, They AT, then Torrent you, then Gouge, and by the time all is said and done, you're back into a Kidney Shot, and you couldn't heal because you were either stunned or silenced.

Trust me, I've been annihilated by BE Rogues more than Undead. And I mostly blame that stupid Silence whenever they're in the middle of a lock.

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

[Radiant]

i play a Belf mage, and lemme tell you, the AT and MT is SO cool. i get enough mana back with a maxed out MT for at least 3 spells (ima mage) and it silences enemy casters. i love it. IMO, belfs have redeemed the horde. Plus we have hawt chicks and hookahs in Silvermoon xD

[kongurous]

i play a Belf mage, and lemme tell you, the AT and MT is SO cool. i get enough mana back with a maxed out MT for at least 3 spells (ima mage) and it silences enemy casters. i love it. IMO, belfs have redeemed the horde. Plus we have hawt chicks and hookahs in Silvermoon xD

You must have really cheap spells to get back enough mana 3 from a mana torrent, seeing as how poor the mana payback from that is. The silence is two whole seconds, which is enough to annoy the caster and throw off his rhythm, it isn't an instant win.

Oh wow, you have hookahs and blonde chicks. The Horde wasn't supposed to be pretty and Thunder Bluff has gigantic peace pipes.

[ScottieIWU]

Oh wow, you have hookahs and blonde chicks. The Horde wasn't supposed to be pretty and Thunder Bluff has gigantic peace pipes.Ya I was under the impression that was some kind of social commentary on the part of the Blizzard lore for the WC series, namely that the Horde was a collection of that which humans and their look-alikes didn't find pretty.

As far as AT/MT, it could be that he's of a lower level, when a 3-charge AT will return almost 1/3 of your mana. The scaling as I understand (and as with Gift of the Naaru) is pretty horrible for the level, and the only real use that it provides is a free silence for all the belf classes.

[Radiant]

You must have really cheap spells to get back enough mana 3 from a mana torrent, seeing as how poor the mana payback from that is. The silence is two whole seconds, which is enough to annoy the caster and throw off his rhythm, it isn't an instant win.

Oh wow, you have hookahs and blonde chicks. The Horde wasn't supposed to be pretty and Thunder Bluff has gigantic peace pipes.
Im level 37, and peace pipes arent as cool. Comeon man, you cant say belf females ARENT hot.

[kongurous]

Im level 37, and peace pipes arent as cool. Comeon man, you cant say belf females ARENT hot.

Yes, actually, I can. They don't fit my profile of "attractive", I'm not a "I'm blonde with huge tits" kind of guy. I do like boobs, though.

And yeah, you're right, peace pipes aren't as cool. They're cooler. At level 37, the mana torrent gave me enough mana for heals or seals/judgements. Problem was, you don't find many mobs with mana period, especially at 37, and the pay-off takes so long and is so worthless (if you really need the heals, you probably won't survive, and wasting what amounts to a free silence and mana potion for extra seals or whatever doesn't make much sense to me) that I always forgot, or didn't care, to use it when I was fighting something that had mana! The amount you take is minimal, the amount you gain is minimal. The only benefit is the two second stun, which won't even do anything to the PvPers who know what they're doing.

I play a Blood Elf paladin, but honestly, I find them retarded.

[ScottieIWU]

I play a Blood Elf paladin, but honestly, I find them retarded.Because they are?

I mean, I guess shammies and pallies going to the other side in both senses IS nice to a certain extent, the fact is that the classes just don't fit in, and I'd much rather that Horde kept shammies if alliance could keep shammies.

We did fine without them before, we would still do fine without them now.

[kongurous]

Because they are?

Yes. Yes they are.

But we've veered horribly off-topic. I have no idea what the Horde to Alliance ration on Lightninghoof is, but I see plenty (or none) of both wherever I go.

[The_Maker]

*ahem*

I think this (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/ssotd/#1144) picture sums up pretty accurately the stereotype of Alliance member ages. As for ratios, I've heard that a standard is 4 Alliance per every Horde. Unfortunately, most of them are complete morons, or never level past level 2.

[ScottieIWU]

*ahem*

I think this (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/ssotd/#1144) picture sums up pretty accurately the stereotype of Alliance member ages. As for ratios, I've heard that a standard is 4 Alliance per every Horde. Unfortunately, most of them are complete morons, or never level past level 2.Really? Because it's not possible that people also have jobs and/or are college students who play mostly at night.

[The_Maker]

Maturity tends to speak for itself. :P

Also, Goldshire population. keke.

[WarInSerbia]

Has anyone played with Dreanei before?
The Dreanei have the least players.I'm a 10th level Dreanei Mage in Burning Blade.

[kongurous]

Has anyone played with Dreanei before?
The Dreanei have the least players.I'm a 10th level Dreanei Mage in Burning Blade.

Their starting zone put me to sleep, so no.

[GenocideAlive]

I don't particularly understand the Hoarde / Alliance ratio myself, but I always thought the Hoarde was far more populous. Looking at the servers, what I see is consistent with that. As for the varying ages of the players, I have never particularly concerned myself--I'm 27 and 90% of the playerbase is below my age. Whether they're 13 or 21 really doesn't make much difference, they all seem preoccupied with getting drunk, fucking something, or trolling.

As far as racial stuff goes, I don't particularly get the Alliance racial benefits. Most of their racials look like total ass compared to the Hoarde ones. 2s Stomp for stun + HP vs. Shadowmeld and Wisp? It doesn't look like they particularly bothered in comparing combat usefulness of various racial identities. I think I'd much rather be able to completely Silence casters as opposed to having a chance to escape a snare.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/10/17

[EvilEggCracker]

I don't particularly understand the Hoarde / Alliance ratio myself, but I always thought the Hoarde was far more populous. Looking at the servers, what I see is consistent with that. As for the varying ages of the players, I have never particularly concerned myself--I'm 27 and 90% of the playerbase is below my age. Whether they're 13 or 21 really doesn't make much difference, they all seem preoccupied with getting drunk, fucking something, or trolling.

As far as racial stuff goes, I don't particularly get the Alliance racial benefits. Most of their racials look like total ass compared to the Hoarde ones. 2s Stomp for stun + HP vs. Shadowmeld and Wisp? It doesn't look like they particularly bothered in comparing combat usefulness of various racial identities. I think I'd much rather be able to completely Silence casters as opposed to having a chance to escape a snare.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/10/17

Alliance racials are more geared towards PvE (Human Diplomacy etc.) while Horde is primarily geared towards PvP (WotF etc.). Not that a few exceptions don't exist, of course.

[ScottieIWU]

Alliance racials are more geared towards PvE (Human Diplomacy etc.) while Horde is primarily geared towards PvP (WotF etc.). Not that a few exceptions don't exist, of course.Yah, it may seem like Nelf racials are useless, but shadowmeld is amazing for stealth classes (druid/rogue) in both PvP and PvE. This is compounded by the fact that a Nelf druid/rogue will usually spot his horde counterpart before he is spotted (assuming you get all of the stealth improving talents.And when you're wiping and running back to, say, SSC, Magtheridon or one of the other raids, wisp is really nice.

Horde racials tend not to get used in PvE. Warstomp has its uses, and WOTF has its uses, but all it is is another PvP trinket you don't have to equip.

All of this jives pretty well with the fact that, barring a few VERY notable exceptions, Alliance beats out Horde in PvP.

For those that don't believe me, take WoWJutsu stats:

# Total Guilds:33960 / 13501 / 20459
# Ranked Guilds:28622 / 11980 / 16642

Granted guilds like Nihilum and Blood Legion are some of the exceptions to this, once you look past that the top 100 guilds in the world lean more towards alliance than they do horde.

And don't make me go off on a completely unrelated tangent for those of you who are going to insist on making age an issue. Both sides have retards, both sides have mature players. The fact of the matter is that age doesn't matter at all, because anybody of any age can be a complete dick when he's behind the computer screen.

[GenocideAlive]

Seriously, Scottie, <3 for your info that you post about this game. I learn a lot. +rep

On another note, you really need to calm down with trying to correct idiots. If they're going to make stupid sweeping generalizations about 750,000 people, let them. Anybody who isn't an idiot will be able to see through their ridiculous accusations.

"Never wrestle with a pig, you'll both get dirty and the pig likes the mud."

[ScottieIWU]

Seriously, Scottie, <3 for your info that you post about this game. I learn a lot. +repLol, thanks...I try? I mean, I know a decent amount but I guess that's what happens when you play as much as I do. What with the fact that my girlfriend is off in another state for school, I guess I play a lot.

On another note, you really need to calm down with trying to correct idiots. If they're going to make stupid sweeping generalizations about 750,000 people, let them. Anybody who isn't an idiot will be able to see through their ridiculous accusations.True. I guess it just frustrates me because honestly, if I had to make a generalization about one side, I'd almost say that Horde is the one who mostly seems to be the immature kids.

But that's IF i had to generalize, and I tend not to like to do that since I've also encountered a lot of really damn good horde players.

[Radiant]

Their starting zone put me to sleep, so no.

Bahahah that it did. Belfs are kinda dumb, but the racials are usefule.

On Black Rock, horde is mostly dominant, yet alliance make a good stand. Alot of Aussies are on that server ><

[WarInSerbia]

n Black Rock, horde is mostly dominant, yet alliance make a good stand. Alot of Aussies are on that server ><
On the frozen skull also,I rarely seen any alliance players and those that I seen were 60+ level

[XarthatXio]

I've just found that topic. Sorry, if I'm refreshing something very old.

Well, dominance of the Horde is sometimes remarkable... I've heard many of this. And, also most of the Horde is said to be the Forsaken.
But... why is it so? Do you like to be evil? I don't.

[WarInSerbia]

Well, dominance of the Horde is sometimes remarkable... I've heard many of this. And, also most of the Horde is said to be the Forsaken.
But... why is it so? Do you like to be evil? I don't.
Well evil dominates good!!!
Thats the message in Warcraft,the scourge will devour all life!!


Do you think that there will be new playable races in the Wrath of the lich king?

[XarthatXio]

Blizz' already stated that there would be no new playable races.
I am going to start as a Draenei Paladin- opposition against the evil.

Scourge would not devour all life- Arthas is supposed to die at the end of WotLK

[ScottieIWU]

Well evil dominates good!!!
Thats the message in Warcraft,the scourge will devour all life!!


Do you think that there will be new playable races in the Wrath of the lich king?Um...do you read any lore?

I'm not by any means on top of all there is to know lore-wise, but Arthas will most likely die completely at the end of WOTLK. Illidan is already dead, Kael'Thas will most likely die for real in the Sunwell raid, Vashj is over.

The only evil that's left is like Azshara and the Burning Legion, and those are on their way to a downfall. There's no "evil indefinitely triumphs over good" message in Warcraft.

Also, a correction, the horde isn't technically evil. One of the glorious things about Warcraft lore is that both sides, Alliance and Horde, are complete morons 90% of the time. The Belfs, for example, were abandoned and betrayed by the Alliance, and only joined the Horde because there was no other reason. The Horde is only out to destroy the Alliance because of the various terrible things the Alliance did to the Horde.

There's a lot to it, but the true evil in WoW exists in the outside forces such as the Illidari, the Old Gods, the Scourge and the Burning Legion.

[XarthatXio]

The TRUE evil left after WotLK are the Burning Legion and the Old Gods. And they could be easily dealt with soon.

But I don't think Illidan was truely evil. He was just... misunderstood. He had a way to the good side, but he paid too much price for his ambitions. It's a pity he's dead. I liked him.

But, ending the offtopic and returning to the Horde-Alliance things: Horde is not completely evil, but confronting the two (Alliance/Horde) the second one is more evil and with no BL and no OG left, they would take a place of main opponents.
Summing up: out of the two, Horde is the so-called evil side.

[cole]

Um...do you read any lore?

I'm not by any means on top of all there is to know lore-wise, but Arthas will most likely die completely at the end of WOTLK. Illidan is already dead, Kael'Thas will most likely die for real in the Sunwell raid, Vashj is over.

The only evil that's left is like Azshara and the Burning Legion, and those are on their way to a downfall. There's no "evil indefinitely triumphs over good" message in Warcraft.

Also, a correction, the horde isn't technically evil. One of the glorious things about Warcraft lore is that both sides, Alliance and Horde, are complete morons 90% of the time. The Belfs, for example, were abandoned and betrayed by the Alliance, and only joined the Horde because there was no other reason. The Horde is only out to destroy the Alliance because of the various terrible things the Alliance did to the Horde.

There's a lot to it, but the true evil in WoW exists in the outside forces such as the Illidari, the Old Gods, the Scourge and the Burning Legion.

Who killed illidian?

[XarthatXio]

Let's say that the combination of Maiev, Akama and PC (Player Character). In lore it would be surely stated that it was Akama, convinced by Maiev.

[GenocideAlive]

IDK if I believe a lot of what happens in WoW. They seem to be moving too much too fast.

At this rate, well over half of the characters in the entire storyline will be dead.

[XarthatXio]

GenocideAlive- it's true, but Illidan's death was part of a main storyline, believe me.
I also don't wanted it to happen, but it's true.

[ScottieIWU]

IDK if I believe a lot of what happens in WoW. They seem to be moving too much too fast.

At this rate, well over half of the characters in the entire storyline will be dead.It's probably a move toward WoW2 + a new generation of lore. Basically, the Illidari can't be the bad guys forever, eventually they have to be defeated, and so they are.

I'm sure that Blizzard will come up with a new, greater enemy, probably more Old Gods or some new evil taking the place of Arthas and whatnot.

[GenocideAlive]

The Illidari are the bad guys? I thought the UD and the Burning Legion were the bad guys. You know, the people bent on snuffing out all life on the planet? That seems like it'd put them at the top on the threat meter.

Anyway, Arthas just became the Lich King, and now he's going to get killed by a bunch of L80 Death Knights. Blah. I loved his storyline so much. The Betrayer never gets played out, especially when it involves something like killing the most epic Paladin ever. While I found Illidan's character to be likeable, I found his "betrayals" to be more like "Betrayal Lite, Now With Less Betrayal". He was a little more spoiled and whiney.

On a side note, there is something epic weird about playing near Thandol Span. I actually remember that campaign map from high school. O_o

[XarthatXio]

I think we all have gone totally offtopic.

However, I also don't want for Illidan to be dead, because I really like him (his story is truely sad, he's the victim, not the betrayer) but I must consider him dead after these quests from Outland.

[WarInSerbia]

Who killed illidian?


hIS a killable boss in wo,you can kill him...corection!!!!
You'l need about 30 people to do that...

Yeah I would realy like to see some new continents.

Have you seen TPAM's thread? (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=31871)

[XarthatXio]

Sorry, but I'm not native english speaker- what is "TPAM"?

[cole]

Just because you can kill him in a game doesnt mean hes necessarily dead in the storyline.

[XarthatXio]

But that's one of the most important parts of the Burning Crusade storyline, allowing Kael'Thas to be main Legion's mortal leader.

Now, just somebody tell me what is TPAM and stop offtopic.

[GenocideAlive]

Now, just somebody tell me what is TPAM and stop offtopic.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, there, Timmy. Unless you've got a mod badge, don't worry about who's off topic and where. There's a hell of a lot more to a forum than a railroad station of topics. Threads get derailed and sometimes it's nice to get a bit of different scenery. Deal with it.

By the way, I'm going to start a thread about ranking one's favorite lore characters. I'm off!

[XarthatXio]

Yeah, sure, but I'm moderator in nearly 3/4 of boards where I am, so I am sometimes getting pissed off, when I see a total offtopic.

Now, please help the non-native english speaker: WTH is TPAM?

[cole]

TPAM is like SPAM which is like Ham. Except spam is alot nastier then ham, and made with pig penis and pig ass. Im guessing TPAM is even worse then spam and is made out of pig feces and various pig organs.

educated guess.

[XarthatXio]

It would be better if warinserbia (creator of this... original sentence) could explain what she was thinking of.

[EvilEggCracker]

It would be better if warinserbia (creator of this... original sentence) could explain what she was thinking of.


Or you could give it a rest?

[XarthatXio]

She called my thread a TPAM, so I just want to know what she was thinking of.

[IrishDutchman]

I think warinserbia is a dude...He, not she.

[Serban]

For God' sake, you people have no mercy. TPAM = The Person Above Me... At least, that's what I know it means until now...

[XarthatXio]

It was already explained via PM, sorry for troubles. I'm not a native english speaker.

Could we back to the topic?

[GenocideAlive]

We can as soon as you stop fucking hijacking threads with your fucking ridiculous demands.