Raids?

[ScottieIWU]

Out of curiosity, what is the status of everyone here in PvE? I love my PvP, but I find that PvE's teamwork of 25 people working in concert is a little more exciting than most of my PvP experiences.

So what raids has everyone seen, pre-bc and post BC? What is your favorite boss encounter and which one is your least favorite?

[Maegtelluma]

I've been pretty inactive since Burning Crusade. I left my most recent raiding guild some time after BC launched, when I decided that I was not going to have the time to do 25 mans. I did do Karazhan with my guild for a few months on a very casual basis, and I've done pugs for HK and Gruul with my old guild. We're thinking about trying to get people back to do Zul'Aman.

Pre-BC I did a crap load of raiding. Over three different guilds I ended up doing all of MC, BWL, Ahn'Qiraj and the better part of Naxxramas (Spider, Plague, Abomination, DK through Gothik). Naxxramas was a really good instance (Patchwerk was an expensive, yet fantastic encounter), but my favorite boss fights were all in Ahn'Qiraj. Twin Emperors, Ouro and C'thun were all fantastic fights. That said, the first couple of bosses in AQ sucked horribly and Sartura made me want to cry.

Overall, best boss fight is Twin Emperors, because it really shows you the people in your guild that suck. If nothing else, it proved without a doubt that the healers in my first guild as a whole were embarrassingly bad. Since I did Twin Emps with all three guilds, it was easy to see why one of them was so much more successful than the others. It doesn't take a lot of brain power to go through MC, but if you fuck up on Twin Emps everybody knows it right away and a part of me likes it that way.

[Forsaken_One]

My rogue is currently farming Black Temple.

But as Maeg said, Naxx and AQ40 was where raiding was at. Those raids were by far and away the best instances.

[StealthyDeath]

Currently the guild I am with now are working on Kael'thas.

Pre-TBC I raided everything from MC to Naxx. As a hunter, it was pretty fun. While both MC and BWL are not that great today, they were very fun when doing them at the time and learning all the fights. Kiting the dragons for Razorgore and learning to LoS tranq shot for Chromaggus 1-2 seconds before a breath (pain for dispellers though).

AQ was a bit better, but having to pull the boss adds on the Bug Trio and Sartura sucked because my server had bad hardware and it would cause us to lag badly at random times and ended up killing the hunters. The Twin Emps was one of the funniest fights because I was one of the two hunters responsible for pulling the mutated bugs to the stairs. Naxx was great also, kiting the tank on Anub'Rekhan or pulling the adds to the offtanks, getting players off the wall for Maexxna and getting huge numbers with the charges from Thaddius.

The best overall fight would have to be C'thun in AQ and I'm sure a lot of raiders might say that but it is truely one of the best designed fight for me. I think Sapphiron comes in second for the fight I liked the most.

[Forsaken_One]

The only reason I hated Sapph was for the Frost Resist requirements. Gash, they were brutal. :P

C'thun was indeed a very well oiled fight.

[ScottieIWU]

Nice. Glad to see some raiders that hang around. I was unfortunate in that I only started playing and hit 60 on my hunter about a week before TBC was released (I couldn't even play for that week). I never got to see anything more than 1 boss of ZG, but that was enough to get me hungry for raiding.

I made the mistake of moving from Illidan to The Underbog after release, and it turns out we're one of the worst servers in the US. We're just about the only one to not have a single BT guild.

I was curious, though, as to whether or not Hyjal is really as "not hard" (I don't want to say easy, because Karazhan/Gruul/Mag are easy) as it sounds? I mean, after the learning curves on fights like Kael and Vashj, it seems like fights like Rage are a joke.

[Forsaken_One]

Well, that's one of the pitfalls of raiding TBC. The fights are all tuned around repetition. There are of course the odd exceptions, but for the most part if you have the boss and trash pulls down pact, they become overly easy.

And as far as being on the Underbog, I am sorry! :P I have a few friends that played Horde on there for awhile but ended up leaving due to the fact that it would take 8 hours to find a group for the 5-man's if they were pugging.

[ScottieIWU]

And as far as being on the Underbog, I am sorry! :P I have a few friends that played Horde on there for awhile but ended up leaving due to the fact that it would take 8 hours to find a group for the 5-man's if they were pugging.Alliance Underbog has it significantly easier. Groups are hard to find, but BG/Arena queues are almost instant no matter what time of day.

Of course, there are all of three raiding guilds on the server that are doing anything of significance (two that are up-and-coming, but still just doing Hydross/Lurker).

Out of curiosity, who were your friends?

[Forsaken_One]

I am not sure of what my friend who played the Rogue's name was, as I never asked. But, his name on Lethon now is Hippyfighter.

AS for my friend who played the Hunter, his name was Litums or something. :P

[ScottieIWU]

I think I remember seeing Litums around way back. Probably got involved with him in some world PvP at one point.

[Forsaken_One]

That was my friend. He had this thing about being like a bull. If it's red he went after it. :P

[ScottieIWU]

That was my friend. He had this thing about being like a bull. If it's red he went after it. :PHe probably would've hated me, I was BM at the time. ;)

[Forsaken_One]

He probably would've hated me, I was BM at the time. ;)

Haha, even more so. :P

[Geno]

http://www.wowjutsu.com/us/cenarius/

Server I play on, toon is "Imabug" in the guild "Praetorian Guard," currently listed 12th in progression, soon to move up, hopefully. My guild was originally under the tag "Legacy Reborn" way back in Vanilla, went from ZG / MC (Just after BWL was released in content) to Naxx and clearing out Faerlina, Anub, Instructor, and taking shots at Maexxna. However, corrupt leadership led it astray, and I kind of started a mass exodus. No one ever had the balls to tell our previous leader to screw off, and I finally snapped during one of the last Naxx raids. I /gquit when he said something rude to me, and he says "So what's that about?" And I just left. Later that night, two Rogues and a Hunter left. Less than a week later, about 10 people in total had left including me (At the time, the top [And one of the only] Moonkin Druids on the server, their top and second top Rogues, their top Hunter, some of their best healers, and all the alts. Two weeks after I left, the guild announced it would stop raiding in expectations for BC.

Needless, it went into BC and the leader fell inactive. A few weeks into BC, the guild master wouldn't transition leadership over, and after much deliberation, the officers left and reformed under our current tag. About mid-May, we started our raiding career (Formed May 4th as a guild, first raid was mid-late May), and dropped HKM, Gruul, Mag, along with all of Kara within a month. After a few short weeks, we'd gotten Loot Reaver (Lawl?) down, as well as Hydross and Lurker. A few minor setbacks later, and we had all of SSC minus Vashj down. We killed her a little over a month ago, and two nights later, in less than 4 hours total, we dropped Al'ar and Solarian, bringing us to our current spot.

Now we're working on getting our last few raiders their Vashj vials in preparation to take swings at Kael. Currently, we are the second highest ranked guild that is in a "Casual" atmosphere (Defined as less than 5 nights of raiding a week, and less than 20 hours total). The only guild above us that has us beat is Focus, who have been working on content for two months longer than us. Every other guild above us has at least 5 nights or more than 20 hours worth of raiding a week, and we're slowly catching up.

Quite an enjoyable guild, I currently get my kicks out of being one of the only hybrid end-game Druids on the server, still able to run with the big dogs and keep up easily. 'Course, we also have the only Moonkin in end-game raiding that is at least to Vashj status, the only guild that has formed post-BC and gotten to the top 15 server wide (There was another at one point - Dark Paradigm, however, due to a corrupt leader, they disbanded right before their shots at Kael. *Insert drama here happened* and that's that), not to mention, we have one of the smallest guild rosters by account status that is in the top 20 for our server (Something like 45~ accounts now, I think?).

Overall, I think our guild is quite unique in end-game. Granted, we're not knocking on Illidan's door or anything, but for what we're working with, I think it's honestly impressive. /nod

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

P.S. WTB: Permanent Cosmic Infuser. PST.

[Forsaken_One]

http://www.wowjutsu.com/us/cenarius/

Server I play on, toon is "Imabug" in the guild "Praetorian Guard," currently listed 12th in progression, soon to move up, hopefully. My guild was originally under the tag "Legacy Reborn" way back in Vanilla, went from ZG / MC (Just after BWL was released in content) to Naxx and clearing out Faerlina, Anub, Instructor, and taking shots at Maexxna. However, corrupt leadership led it astray, and I kind of started a mass exodus. No one ever had the balls to tell our previous leader to screw off, and I finally snapped during one of the last Naxx raids. I /gquit when he said something rude to me, and he says "So what's that about?" And I just left. Later that night, two Rogues and a Hunter left. Less than a week later, about 10 people in total had left including me (At the time, the top [And one of the only] Moonkin Druids on the server, their top and second top Rogues, their top Hunter, some of their best healers, and all the alts. Two weeks after I left, the guild announced it would stop raiding in expectations for BC.

Needless, it went into BC and the leader fell inactive. A few weeks into BC, the guild master wouldn't transition leadership over, and after much deliberation, the officers left and reformed under our current tag. About mid-May, we started our raiding career (Formed May 4th as a guild, first raid was mid-late May), and dropped HKM, Gruul, Mag, along with all of Kara within a month. After a few short weeks, we'd gotten Loot Reaver (Lawl?) down, as well as Hydross and Lurker. A few minor setbacks later, and we had all of SSC minus Vashj down. We killed her a little over a month ago, and two nights later, in less than 4 hours total, we dropped Al'ar and Solarian, bringing us to our current spot.

Now we're working on getting our last few raiders their Vashj vials in preparation to take swings at Kael. Currently, we are the second highest ranked guild that is in a "Casual" atmosphere (Defined as less than 5 nights of raiding a week, and less than 20 hours total). The only guild above us that has us beat is Focus, who have been working on content for two months longer than us. Every other guild above us has at least 5 nights or more than 20 hours worth of raiding a week, and we're slowly catching up.

Quite an enjoyable guild, I currently get my kicks out of being one of the only hybrid end-game Druids on the server, still able to run with the big dogs and keep up easily. 'Course, we also have the only Moonkin in end-game raiding that is at least to Vashj status, the only guild that has formed post-BC and gotten to the top 15 server wide (There was another at one point - Dark Paradigm, however, due to a corrupt leader, they disbanded right before their shots at Kael. *Insert drama here happened* and that's that), not to mention, we have one of the smallest guild rosters by account status that is in the top 20 for our server (Something like 45~ accounts now, I think?).

Overall, I think our guild is quite unique in end-game. Granted, we're not knocking on Illidan's door or anything, but for what we're working with, I think it's honestly impressive. /nod

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

P.S. WTB: Permanent Cosmic Infuser. PST.


Kind of a similar situtation with my old guild on Lethon.

Given, it wasn't a post BC guild, but it was nowhere near raiding. (It was a full blown PvP guild that had 3/5 High Warlord's before the BG patch came in).

That guild did all of Season 1 with barely touching Kara and other PvE raids. Then once Season 2 released we tried out Kara, and cleared it one night (3 hours maybe) and were hungry for PvE. So, that night we tried HKM and Gruul's. We wiped a few times on HKM in the first 30 seconds because the hunters were not very good at PvE, and then later that night one shot Gruul.

In one night, we had caught up to the top 5 guilds. Most of which deemed us as "lucky".

Within two weeks we were on Vashj, which put us tied for first with the other two guilds.

This is where we hit the wall. As most guilds do, because Vashj is not easy at all.

Well, 3 weeks later the first place guild fell apart (I used to be in this guild), due to 15 core members ninja-ing the guild bank and transfering to a new server.

So long story short, my current guild on Lethon did the progression that far in less than 60% of the time that the other guilds spent. Mostly because we had a roster of ~35 people, 30 of which were all god friends from PreBC, and knew how to play well from all of the Premade AV's.

As of now we are 6/9 Black Temple, which is really exciting.

[Geno]

http://www.wowjutsu.com/us/lightninghoof/Praetorian.html

There be Praetorian. Not much else I know of that I can put here since I don't feel like bragging.


Brag away, man. Honestly, I think you should have the right to brag. Only approximately 5% of all guilds even SEE Vashj or Kael, let alone kill them. Less than 1% of the player base has stepped foot in Black Temple, apparently. So honestly, you should brag a bit ^.^

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

[kongurous]

Brag away, man. Honestly, I think you should have the right to brag. Only approximately 5% of all guilds even SEE Vashj or Kael, let alone kill them. Less than 1% of the player base has stepped foot in Black Temple, apparently. So honestly, you should brag a bit ^.^

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

I don't like to brag, I end up putting my foot in my mouth :P

But we did nail Fathom-Lord. http://www.guildpraetorian.net/ He didn't fathom it, apparently. I'm in the Fathom-Lord picture. Far left, big green sword.

[GenocideAlive]

God, I wish I could bring myself to raid, but a group recently asked me to come from 8-12 Thursday and Saturday. I almost choked. Who the hell can block off huge chunks of their time like that.

[Forsaken_One]

God, I wish I could bring myself to raid, but a group recently asked me to come from 8-12 Thursday and Saturday. I almost choked. Who the hell can block off huge chunks of their time like that.

I usually play 1-2 hours a night at around 10-11PM so raiding for a couple hours isn't too big for me.

Before I had a job and full schedule for school, it was a different story.

As of late, I am some what casual about raiding and playing. I did the race through Black Temple thing, and won't be doing any hardcore raiding for a long time or ever again.

[Geno]

I raid an average of 11-12 hours a week. Three hours on Tuesday / Thursday, four on Sunday, with minor extentions here and there when needed.

It's not as bad as you'd think :p

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

[ScottieIWU]

I raid an average of 11-12 hours a week. Three hours on Tuesday / Thursday, four on Sunday, with minor extentions here and there when needed.

It's not as bad as you'd think :p

~Larry "Geno" MeyersLol ya, I raid about 12-16 hrs a week, depending on availability. It's really not that much, since I'd be spending that time on the computer talking to my girlfriend anyway, so in this case it's a two-for-one thing.

Also, your sig is humorous, if not...mistaken? :-P

[Geno]

Lol ya, I raid about 12-16 hrs a week, depending on availability. It's really not that much, since I'd be spending that time on the computer talking to my girlfriend anyway, so in this case it's a two-for-one thing.

Also, your sig is humorous, if not...mistaken? :-P


Yea, I was screwing around with a friend about that. Was kinda funny. I used to have a ton of old quotes from pictures - Lost most of them :(

Although my favorite was a Naxx memory at 60. Those of us that have been to and through Naxx might recall the fun wing that was the Abom wing. The first room has Grobb throwing crap down on you ever minute and a half or so, and then there were sides of the room you wanted to pull. So you did all that. Here's where it gets good.

So we figure out that the next room is a small circular room with a ton of little slimes. We throw a pet in at them and realize "Holy crap, they do a TON of melee damage." but they're slow - So we do the usual routine. Kite them around. AFter two or three AoE rounds (Grobb spawns kept catching us, so we needed to modify a few things here and there), so after all is done, we run into that room.

The following conversation occurs:

Raid[Paige]: Hey, Draizien, does this room respawn?
Raid[Draizien]<DND>: That would just be retarted. Just med here.

*Two seconds later everyone dies, beacuse the room respawns.*

Raid[Draizien]<DND>:...Not a word.

Epic. Simply epic. ^.^

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

[GenocideAlive]

Geno, yeah, this is off-topic, but quoting yourself has to be the most pretentious bullshit on the planet. Not only is it beyond pompous to imagine yourself as imparting words of wisdom to the needy masses, it makes you look ten years old. It wouldn't even be so bad if you weren't misspelling words and making plurality errors.

That was dick, I'm sure, but it needed to be said.

[kongurous]

We're up to Kael'Thas and Lady Vashj now. Updates when we kill them, and I'll show off my loot.

As far as raiding time goes, Praetorian usually goes Sunday-Thursday from 7:30 to 11:30 at night. That's out set raiding time, but whether or not we're actually doing raids from that time or on those days depends. Friday and Saturday are days off, of course.

[ScottieIWU]

We're up to Kael'Thas and Lady Vashj now. Updates when we kill them, and I'll show off my loot.

As far as raiding time goes, Praetorian usually goes Sunday-Thursday from 7:30 to 11:30 at night. That's out set raiding time, but whether or not we're actually doing raids from that time or on those days depends. Friday and Saturday are days off, of course.Good luck. My guild is a Leo and Al'ar kill away from those two (expecting those two to happen within the next 2 resets, seeing as they're pretty damn easy). You guys got to Kael at the perfect time, though, since he'll be getting a fairly significant nerf on Tuesday.

GL!

[OboeGuru]

Raid[Paige]: Hey, Draizien, does this room respawn?
Raid[Draizien]<DND>: That would just be retarted. Just med here.

*Two seconds later everyone dies, beacuse the room respawns.*

Raid[Draizien]<DND>:...Not a word.

Epic. Simply epic. ^.^

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

Yeah... my guild found that out the hard way, too. Damn, that was a good instance. I'm so glad it's coming back.

Geno, yeah, this is off-topic, but quoting yourself has to be the most pretentious bullshit on the planet. Not only is it beyond pompous to imagine yourself as imparting words of wisdom to the needy masses, it makes you look ten years old. It wouldn't even be so bad if you weren't misspelling words and making plurality errors.

That was dick, I'm sure, but it needed to be said.
Say what? It's an anecdote... christ, yeah that was a dick thing to say but it absolutetly didn't need to be said. *sigh* I hear swigging arsenic is a good way to deal with your misplaced rage.

[Anoiktos]

I neither have time for nor find enjoyable most raids, though my guild is small, familiar, and competent enough to deal with Kara. We're looking forward to Zul'Aman.

I have a bunch of old friends in huge, powerful guilds because I've been playing for so long, but I really don't care for the kind of camaraderie that a larger, less uniformly trustworthy guild grants.

That said, I've seen all pre-BC raiding content until Naxx, and post, I've just seen Kara. I gave up when I saw how un-lorey kara was, for what was supposed to be Medivh's tower.

<--- lore junkie

[ScottieIWU]

Shameless self-promotion:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild_progression_%28TBC%29/ZA


Yah. We haven't really been back since. Busy with Vashj and soon Al'ar/Kael (we haven't set foot in TK in 2 weeks to try to get Vashj down). But, that was always kind of interesting to me.

The Vashj fight is...interesting. I find it funny that phase two, without any of the three distinct elements that make it up, would trivialize the Vashj fight to the point of ridiculousness, yet for some reason just one extra element makes it a little harder.

But sigh, can't wait for Kael.

[Geno]

Shameless self-promotion:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild_progression_%28TBC%29/ZA


Yah. We haven't really been back since. Busy with Vashj and soon Al'ar/Kael (we haven't set foot in TK in 2 weeks to try to get Vashj down). But, that was always kind of interesting to me.

The Vashj fight is...interesting. I find it funny that phase two, without any of the three distinct elements that make it up, would trivialize the Vashj fight to the point of ridiculousness, yet for some reason just one extra element makes it a little harder.

But sigh, can't wait for Kael.

Kael is so much easier to learn. A lot less bullshit can go wrong. The worst you get is a toy in P3 on a tank. But even then, that's not bad. It's a minute long, and by the time you kill Telonicus, you'll have the toy off the tank by the time Kael pops. If you get to phase 4 with all the adds dead or an add close to dead, it's free loot. You can't screw it up beyond something being either bugged (IE: Screwy MCs not breaking - This has happened), raiders not paying attention to the phoenix eggs (This has, too), or healers burned too much mana in P3 to not have enough for P4 (This was me, actually. 'Course, I'm solo healing the 'Lock tank on Astromancer, so I will burn mana anyway).

Vashj is like trying to drive a giant rocket with a broken guidance system through a hoop just BARELY big enough to fit it, all while drinking coffee, and if you spill anything, you lose control. I swear, even T6 guilds on our server complain about that fight, just because there's so much luck factoring into it (LOL FIVE CHAIN LIGHTNINGS ON THE SAME SIDE IN UNDER 8 SECONDS). Seriously, Blizzard needs to tone that fight down in some way to make it 'repeatable.' As it stands, there is no "Farming Vashj" by any true means.

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

[GenocideAlive]

Vashj doesn't cast Forked Lightning? That's a departure from WCIII...

[ScottieIWU]

Vashj doesn't cast Forked Lightning? That's a departure from WCIII...It's forked lightning. And it hits for 2.5-3k. And if you get an add through, it hits for 5k. And if a lot get through, as they might while you have about 5 people up and are still wiping, it hits for like 60k.

She's a bitch.

[cole]

scottie did you help make WOW or something? you know more about it the blizzard.

[kongurous]

scottie did you help make WOW or something? you know more about it the blizzard.

He pays attention to numbers, that's all. Any serious raider knows his aggro, his damage, his ability to kick ass in any given situation. I'm just too lazy to type it out, but I guarantee you I could write out the estimated HP and damage ranges for every boss and his/her/its abilities from BWL from memory.

[GenocideAlive]

Oh god, Cole, I'm in tears that was so funny.

kong, fail.

[IrishDutchman]

Who's Cole?