View Full Version : New Dawn of War Expansion?
Allegedly called 'Soulstorm', there appeared to be a video showcasing a third expansion to Dawn of War today at Games Day UK. The video showed a lot of Dark Eldar units, such as Helion Skyboards, the Talos and Raiders, amongst other things.
My reading on the subject has also lead to me discovering rumours of this EXP pack being outsourced to a 3rd party.
According to execs in Germany, Tyranids may also be involved.
All in all, interesting news. Time will tell whether good or bad though, I'm sure :P
Pisces
09-23-2007, 5:04 PM
Well all in all if its a expansion and they follow the forumla for balancing armies then they can't fuck things up too much. Aside from making too many armies or just putting no effort into it and releasing it as a cash cow. Either way, I think it has more potential for good rather than evil because you can always play the older expansions if you don't like it.
Giggilyomeromicon
09-24-2007, 7:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB8MDvj-V9I
There were many Raiders and Reaver jetbikes in there.
Bugger, just as I escaped playing against them in tabletop they're coming to haunt me on my computer.
And adding Nids would also be nice, and if so it looks like they are planning to have all the races covered. (Which will be fun).
OB8MDvj-V9I
Bugger, cannot believe I didn't think of doing this on the day! Thanks very much for the video, giggily.
http://forums.relicnews.com/showpost.php?p=2545845&postcount=898
Dezzick
09-24-2007, 10:18 AM
I didn't notice that, as Ktan decided to watch it while I tried Warhammer Online. Needless to say I didn't get a beta invite.
I'll try to find an official trailer to link here, so it might be higher quality.
I doubt there will be one yet, and if there was there'd have been something at RelicNews.
There's a 60 page long thread there :o
Yup, and I've spent the last four hours reading them all. In my defense I had bugger all else to do.
It seems the second new race may be Witch Hunters/Sisters Of Battle
And from that trailer there is definately another race than Dark Eldar involved. it says "New Armies".
Darmago
09-24-2007, 4:16 PM
My nids! I want my Nids!
Last I knew Relic had already said nids weren't coming out until DOW 2 when they had an engine that could handle nid tactics. So unless they've changed there stance on that, I wouldn't get your hopes up too high.
kongurous
09-24-2007, 7:34 PM
Last I knew Relic had already said nids weren't coming out until DOW 2 when they had an engine that could handle nid tactics. So unless they've changed there stance on that, I wouldn't get your hopes up too high.
Relic has said nothing about DoW2, which isn't even confirmed.
It was in an interview posted with one of the topics regarding possible races for an upcoming expansion. I think it was back when WA was first being speculated about. The interviewee was asked about tyranids being one of the races and responded that the DOW engine couldn't handle how the tyranids should be played, so they wouldn't be coming out at least until DOW 2. It wasn't an official announcement of the game, but that the current game wouldn't introduce them. I tried looking for the interview and the topic it was in, but they were long gone. Anyway, I swear I'm not crazy, I remember reading it.
kongurous
09-24-2007, 8:38 PM
It was in an interview posted with one of the topics regarding possible races for an upcoming expansion. I think it was back when WA was first being speculated about. The interviewee was asked about tyranids being one of the races and responded that the DOW engine couldn't handle how the tyranids should be played, so they wouldn't be coming out at least until DOW 2. It wasn't an official announcement of the game, but that the current game wouldn't introduce them. I tried looking for the interview and the topic it was in, but they were long gone. Anyway, I swear I'm not crazy, I remember reading it.
I wasn't disputing the Tyranid thing, just saying DoW2 is little more than speculation at this point.
Personally, I'd rather they did an 'Inquisition' faction than pure With Hunters. Giving Marines Grey Knights seemed a bit short-sighted, IMO. Yes, they are a cool unit, but it makes things a bit trickier if you want a Daemonhunters/Inquisition race.
It's a bit of a shame for the Adeptus Soriatos Mod team if SoBs are in, some of their work was absolutely beautiful.
Ofc, Shinkugami can just concentrate of the Harlequins and the Craftworld Eldar now :D
Any speculation about new race units?
My guesses, thus far:
Space Marines: Techmarine, maybe Bikes
Eldar: Still loads to go. I'd guess War Walkers, they haven't got many vehcicles and Scorpions are too close to Banshees, while Hawks are close to Spiders, really in terms of how they'd fit into the game. Maybe Shining spears or Guardian Jetbikes?
Orks: No idea
Chaos: Dreadnaught, maybe?
Imperial Guard: Rough Riders or Elysian Drop Troopers/Drop Pods Vets, or something else that can DS
Tau: Pirahna, maybe sniper teams, and Pathfinders should get a Rail Rifle upgrade, for the fun.
Necrons: Uhhmmmmmmmm...Pylon?
Darmago
09-26-2007, 3:04 PM
Necrons: Uhhmmmmmmmm...Pylon?
Hisss!
Dayoh
09-26-2007, 10:07 PM
Id love it if Relic would add in the different variations of the armys like Catachans, bolter bitches etc.
NIDS omg its like the WH version of the zerg, personnaly id rather another expansion (becuase i bought all 3 previous ones) but a new engine etc would be nice
NIDS omg its like the WH version of the zerg,
Because Blizzard didnt blatantly theft the idea from Games Workshop or anything....
I still personally maintain that Blizzard 'theifed' it from the Alien Films, and did so quite openly and candidly.
But let's not let this creep into the topic, please.
Hisss!
Deceiver?
Anoiktos
09-27-2007, 3:18 PM
I think the new units for all the races will be flying units, due to the flying units in the trailer.
This would make sense considering first the type of game (system domination, so we need ships in the first place) and the Dark Eldar's reliance on maneuverability and speed to fight.
Mobile base, anyone?
It appears Relic will be collaborating with Iron Lore Games on this project, the founder of IL being one of the men involved with Age Of Empires.
So we've got someone who has a grasp of RTS games, thank god :P
Giggilyomeromicon
09-27-2007, 5:42 PM
I'm pretty sure the second race is the Squats.
Dayoh
10-02-2007, 10:10 PM
Well its true another standalone expansion (like DC).
We get two new races Dark Eldar and ???
Also Flying Units and I assume more land units
I wonder what the other race will be cause we have
-Space Marines
-Ork
-Chaos space Marines
-Eldar
-Imperial gaurd
-Tau
Now
-Dark Eldar
The only other races left are
-tyranids
-catachans
-witch hunters
http://au.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/warhammer40000dawnofwarsoulstorm/news.html?sid=6179875&om_act=convert&om_clk=newlyadded&tag=newlyadded;title;1
EvilEggCracker
10-03-2007, 1:53 AM
Catachans aren't a race. They are a regiment within the Imperial Guard. Just like Dark Angels or Ultramarines are Chapters of Space Marines.
Oh, and Ordo Malleus are also left - however it is unlikely that they will be the new race due to the usage of Grey Knights in the Space Marine army.
I personally reckon it'll be the Witch Hunters/Sisters of Battle. Should be great.
Catachans aren't a race.
duh,..................
Darmago
10-03-2007, 8:07 AM
I personally reckon it'll be the Witch Hunters/Sisters of Battle. Should be great.
Not without tyranids >.>
EvilEggCracker
10-03-2007, 10:35 AM
duh,..................
Uh-huh?
The only other races left are
-tyranids
-catachans
-witch hunters
Then don't state they are.
Pisces
10-03-2007, 10:02 PM
They could throw something really left field at us like daemons to coincide with the release of the codex, which is why they are hush hush about it, or harlequins even though they don't have enough choice for it, but lets not forget dark eldar are hardly at their strongest.
My guess is:
50% chance Witch hunters
20% Ordo Malleus
10% Tyranids
10% Daemons
5% Other imperial or space marine faction
4.5% Other
0.5% harlequins
kongurous
10-04-2007, 6:35 AM
They could throw something really left field at us like daemons to coincide with the release of the codex, which is why they are hush hush about it, or harlequins even though they don't have enough choice for it, but lets not forget dark eldar are hardly at their strongest.
My guess is:
50% chance Witch hunters
20% Ordo Malleus
10% Tyranids
10% Daemons
5% Other imperial or space marine faction
4.5% Other
0.5% harlequins
I. Hate. The Sisters of Battle. Don't get me started on them, but I highly doubt I'll ever use them if I get this new expansion (and they're in it) and I'm just going to focus my playing strategy on kicking their ass (if they're in it).
Catachans aren't a race.
they have there own codex, u can make a pure army out of them in my books thats a race
kongurous
10-05-2007, 5:41 AM
they have there own codex, u can make a pure army out of them in my books thats a race
They haven't had a codex in a long time. They have downloadable rules now, yes, but that isn't a full codex.
They have downloadable rules now, yes, but that isn't a full codex
Close enough and its freee!
they have there own codex, u can make a pure army out of them in my books thats a race
So have Dark Angels and Black Templar.
Simply put, they are variations on a theme. While it would be possible, neither are they a different race, nor are they very esay to justify as a new addition in place of something more fully fledged like Witchhunters or Nids.
Stuff like catachans would likely utilise something like the 'Doctrine' system in CoH, and will likely be in DoW2, if Relic make one and follow current popular opinion on this subject.
Kekekekekekekeke:
http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?p=2616047#post2616047
http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/warhammer40000dawnofwarsoulstorm/news.html?sid=6181715&om_act=convert&om_clk=newlyadded&tag=newlyadded;title;1
Confirmed as Dark Eldar and Sisters of Battle.
Air units will definitely be in the game, as well as a larger meta-map comprising four planets and three moons. They are also including online 'achievements' such as the 'Hot Streak' (10 Consecutive wins) and 'Force Commander' (25 Space Marine Wins) awards.
kongurous
10-26-2007, 8:17 AM
Words do not begin to express how much I hate the Sisters of Battle, and how much I think that decision was bollocks. Call me sexist if you want, but it's my personal belief that women don't belong on a battlefield and I find the entire idea of battle nuns to be fairly dumb. But I don't run 40k, which is a good or bad thing depending on your point of view. Go Dark Eldar, though.
Anoiktos
10-26-2007, 9:03 AM
but it's my personal belief that women don't belong on a battlefield and I find the entire idea of battle nuns to be fairly dumb. It's my personal belief that kids young enough that they can't vote or drink alcohol don't belong on a battlefield, and furthermore that kids the age of twelve shouldn't be put in prison for forty years, even for murder (what are the chances of them becoming stable adults? negative ten percent?), but that doesn't stop anyone.
Also, considering how gung-ho and extreme the imperium is in any case, I'm surprised that that's the extent of your objections. The death of thousands upon thousands of imperial guard in a hammer campaign is somehow more acceptable than loony women with flamethrowers?
kongurous
10-26-2007, 9:12 AM
It's my personal belief that kids young enough that they can't vote or drink alcohol don't belong on a battlefield, and furthermore that kids the age of twelve shouldn't be put in prison for forty years, even for murder (what are the chances of them becoming stable adults? negative ten percent?), but that doesn't stop anyone.
Also, considering how gung-ho and extreme the imperium is in any case, I'm surprised that that's the extent of your objections. The death of thousands upon thousands of imperial guard in a hammer campaign is somehow more acceptable than loony women with flamethrowers?
It isn't a matter of behavior or how willing the Imperium is to send their soldiers to die, it's a matter of genetics and I would rather this not turn into an argument of whether or not women belong on the battlefield. It's just my personal belief that they do not, and the Sisters of Battle annoy me in this regard. It'd be less of an issue if they weren't considered on par with the Astartes.
Imagine that, a normal human with power armor that doesn't even really power them is capable of the same feats as a human turned into a superhuman in every sense of the word. Doesn't make much sense. Not that a lot of things in 40k make sense, but at least most of them are given an explanation as to how their existence is feasible.
Darmago
10-26-2007, 11:07 AM
Noooooooo!
*sobs in a corner*
singo
10-26-2007, 11:31 AM
It'd be less of an issue if they weren't considered on par with the Astartes.
Eh? They are nowhere near considered up to Astartes standard (mainly because they are NOT up to Astartes standard). At least not in any fluff I've read. Hard as nails yes, but not superhuman.
Personally, when the survival of the species is at stake, anything that can hold a gun the right way round two times out of three belongs on the battlefield.
Pisces
10-26-2007, 5:00 PM
They have strength, weapon skill, initative and toughness 3 hence, not super human standard. They are just decked out with the same equipment as space marines, which is fair enough considering they are protecting what the imperium holds most dear, space marines are just the counter attack, it doesn't matter how many of them die, battle sister perform the day to day defensive role which means the supermen can fly around the galaxy getting killed.
Lets face it, not only have women proved themselves on the battlefield in real life, but 1 in 2 super men decided they would go on an emperor killing spree, would you trust them to look after your daughter?
kongurous
10-26-2007, 6:42 PM
It's a personal prejudice that I'll likely never get over, but that doesn't change the fact I don't like them.
100thlurker
10-26-2007, 11:52 PM
Wait, Kong, aren't the certian Guard Regiments equal oppurtunity drafters?
I also thought that there were a couple all female Regiments running around...
kongurous
10-26-2007, 11:54 PM
Wait, Kong, aren't the certian Guard Regiments equal oppurtunity drafters?
I also thought that there were a couple all female Regiments running around...
There are no women in the 512th Cadian. The actions of other regiments do not influence the actions of my own.
singo
10-27-2007, 11:20 AM
It's a personal prejudice that I'll likely never get over, but that doesn't change the fact I don't like them.
Fair cop, its not like the Imperium pretends to be an equal opportunity employer I suppose.
Darmago
10-27-2007, 5:41 PM
Sisters of battle are not tyranids... thusly I don't really care
singo
10-28-2007, 11:10 AM
I'll probably play em for a bit, they have many short ranged shockingly unsubtle weapons and artillery that looks like an organ.
Likelyhood of me staying as guard for the duration even if I like em? Very High.
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