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Geno

02-08-2004, 10:17 AM

Honestly, do you think this forum will outnumber BF anytime soon? I mean, I think it will do well and all, but how will BF respond? They always prevailed before, but this time, it's hard to say... What are your opinions on the situation? Also, what do you think will become of both forums in... Let's say a year? What will happen? Opinions from everyone are accepted, seeing as how most, if not, all of us came from, or visited BF.

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

OboeGuru

02-08-2004, 10:23 AM

Honestly? I think many of the members at BF will begin to call WB home, and posting at BF will slow down and will be done by people that still want to have a presence there and by people who are stupid and don't see the WB link in all our siggies over there. ;)

ZeroDarkStar

02-08-2004, 10:41 AM

don't see the WB link in all our siggies over there. ;)

Warboards.org is paraphrased banned there.

Anyways, back on topic. BlizzForums get most of it's new members from StarCraft.org. I was talking with Rhino yesterday, and he said SC.org gets over 28,000 raw hits a day.

Now, say 1/8 of them click on the forum button. That's 3500 members. Then say 1/4 of those register. That's 875. Now, I'm sure that's exagerating a bit, but we'll be getting tons of new members soon. ;)

Demon_Child

02-08-2004, 10:43 AM

yep, and I am one of the oldest members from the Sarcraft.org community. :)

Speaking of BF and all, let's try not to send BF any more bad blood torwards them or the forumers.

UndeadBastard

02-08-2004, 10:45 AM

Yes, and I might be getting in some guys soon.

UED77

02-08-2004, 10:53 AM

The problem with BF is that it started to become kinda BattleForum-y recently. Too many spammers, flamers, incidents with members, etc.

I hope this does not happen to WB.

Hopefully WB's policies will be stricter than BF's and we won't attract "junk" members.

UED77

ZeroDarkStar

02-08-2004, 10:54 AM

incidents with members, etc.

Heavy on that one.

UED77

02-08-2004, 10:56 AM

Ahem... But I'm still right, amn't I?

UED77

Schwitzer

02-08-2004, 10:56 AM

I personally feel as though a large portion of the more respectable staff members are on this side of the split (with the exceptions of Shinitenshi, Shinigami and Exedore, of course). The immediate aftermath of the new vacancies at BlizzForums will probably induce a mad scrabble of power-hungry Mods seeking to exploit this opportunity in an attempt to extend there powers (i.e. gain more forums to Moderate).

I also believe that, with Demon_Child having left, there will be some bickering for the recently open Senior Moderator position by a lot of people who don't deserve it.

I cannot help but think, however, that one of the two forums will be the death of the other.

Demon_Child

02-08-2004, 11:00 AM

If having left meaning "stabbed in the back." Then, yes. There will be bickering over people who are going to be fighting over the position and the smart ones will find out that it isn't worth the trouble and come here instead.

UED77

02-08-2004, 11:01 AM

Some of the Mods and Admins here, what do you say?
I think that we should be extremely sensitive about keeping this forum clean and civilized.

UED77

Schwitzer

02-08-2004, 11:01 AM

My mistake; I just realised that Exedore is actually over here too.

I get the impression that we're going to get a lot of people over here just because of their preference of staff members between the two sites...

ChaosZon

02-08-2004, 11:11 AM

I think you're all gloriously deluded. Gloriously, yes, but deluded all the same. Legacy has almost always been dominant.

Its been what, over ten hours now?

Where's the massive exodus?

It takes 30 seconds to register and activate an account here. If SC.org gets "28,000 raw hits a day and 1/8 of them hit the forum button," and its been ten hours, and let's say 10% of those 1/8 register, you should have 150 members. And with this alleged mass exodus from BF, I'd say that you should have anywhere from 200 to 400 members by the end of today. Right now you have 38. You have 12 hours.

The immediate aftermath of this childish split has been... nothing. At best, a dozen people have left BF, and another dozen and a half have made accounts here while keeping their accounts at BF as well. There has been absolutely no scrambling for moderator spots, except for RC saying (in the staff forum) "if you have some suggestions for new mods, feel free to make them."

Rather than the bumbling responses to Xenon and BSTRhino, XG3 came out and said exactly what happened in GD, and the end result so far is that no one cares.

Look at the situation logically. BF has Legacy, whose two sites are regularly updated, quite popular, and all that. You have Org, of which WC.org and SC.org rarely have comments on their news items at all, where SCLegacy and WCLegacy average dozens of comments to each news item they post. In terms of people taking the time to respond to the news items posted, Legacy has you all tied down to the bed and raped repeatedly.

Glorious. And deluded. A mixture of Star Wars proportions.

UED77

02-08-2004, 11:20 AM

You think logically, ChaosZon. The Legacy network is the site for newbs and gamers. Why do I say that?
Because it mainly deals with strategy. No maps, no tutorials, no customs. That's why the ORG network is the site for mappers and experts. I have long disliked the fact that Legacy places the emphasis on strategy and nothing else.

Besides, rather than mindlessly accumulating members, I think/hope WB will not attract spammers.

UED77

02-08-2004, 11:48 AM

Allow me to note that XG3's little GD post isn't completely accurate.

Demon_Child

02-08-2004, 11:49 AM

That is for damn sure.

Doom_Dragoon

02-08-2004, 11:58 AM

As long as we get a sufficient supply of good members (those who aren't spamming morons), I say we should do fine.

LXM-Designs

02-08-2004, 12:00 PM

Well, I think alot of people are unhappy about the way BF is runned. Everybody was shocked with DC banned there because almost everybody (including me) respected her.
So I guess lots of (unhappy) people from BF will come to WB.

dunchy

02-08-2004, 12:24 PM

All I can say is a new power vacuum is at Blizzforums at the moment. I hope them the best however.

LXM-Designs

02-08-2004, 12:27 PM

Allow me to note that XG3's little GD post isn't completely accurate.

The very minute I read that post, I know that at least some parts were not true.

Demon_Child

02-08-2004, 12:28 PM

LXM-Designs

02-08-2004, 1:19 PM

Thanks DC, I bet alot of people would really want to know that :)

Mordecai2k

02-08-2004, 1:23 PM

Geno

02-08-2004, 1:28 PM

I knew that the straw that broke the camel's back would be the bannation of me, but I wasn't quite sure as to how big and what kind of an impact it would make. However, I will be releasing our side of the events that had happened last night later on today.

I have work in about an hour and a half... I need to leave here soon, so I won't be around I bet... :( Darn... Oh well. This is my new homepage, so I can't complain ;)

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

Nuts

02-08-2004, 2:44 PM

I can't liken this site to the creation of TDH, since our inception was met with a quiet gradual migration as opposed to this site which was given one hell of a grand opening. The entire debacle at B.F. has served as a gigantic welcome sign. In the months that TDH has been actively soliciting members, we have seen our membership grow by perhaps 100+ members. Most of the intellecual and mature members have at least signed up if not posted actively. We did actively attempt to limit those whom we felt were troublemakers (i.e. spam).

This site has advantages over TDH in many regards, mainly exposure. And not to mention half of B.F.'s original Admin staffers. I expect good things from Warboards. :)

Fenguin

02-08-2004, 3:13 PM

I think the infusion of members will be pretty slow at first, since 1) there's not as much "vocal" advertisement and 2) it [at least the link] is being kept hush-hush at BF. But be prepared for accelerating amounts of members coming in :D

pixels

02-08-2004, 3:33 PM

I hope to see less Forum Politics here @ WB because that was one of the major problems @ BF...

I will probably post here more once things get going only because.. I can.

BF will always be there, and WB will grow with it but not from it (even though 80% of the members are from here .. the 19% other from Fenguin). New people will continue to flow into both, but for now, it will mostly be slow here until things are set up and things get all sorted out.

Luther-Stark

02-08-2004, 3:37 PM

This is true Pixels. I think we should make it clear that while we might have stemmed from Bf, we are NOT connected to them. Were not a mirror site, or a haven for people who have been banned there. Were just us.

!~Cheers.

ZeroDarkStar

02-08-2004, 3:55 PM

I sure hope WarBoards is here to stay.

zergstain

02-08-2004, 3:56 PM

Allow me to note that XG3's little GD post isn't completely accurate.Care to clarify that?

dunchy

02-08-2004, 3:58 PM

I think you're all gloriously deluded. Gloriously, yes, but deluded all the same. Legacy has almost always been dominant.

Indeed, it's one of the top reasons we had to leave, because we have to work on our sites, to get our act together to what it used to be at. With your referral to the mass exodus, I'm impressed in only a day we have over 70 members, and it's only 2 PM. I'm also seeing more than just those from BF here, which is a very nice thing to consider. Now, what XG3 said in the GD was not nearly all the truth, with both Xenon and Rhino, if you always want 100% you will have to talk to all sides of the coin, with the Xenon incident happening to be the saddest story out there. Now look at some facts here, the buyout backfire happened....7 months ago? Then 2 months ago the Rhino thing happens, now this. People get tired at constantly having to fix a forum.

Things are looking up, which I point to sc.org for instant. Rhino has helped out tremendously, and comments are starting to appear more and more, take a look for yourself. Now they are not nearly as high as legacy's, but it's a start, and much better than 4 months ago. The focus now for the .org area *especially on the starcraft side of things* is to ship up and start to remember who we are, and what to do.

Luther-Stark

02-08-2004, 4:00 PM

I still think that BF was a nice haven for the two factions, but whatever. All is well that ends well. Oh, hehe, and,

!~Cheers.

TheNutCracker

02-08-2004, 4:08 PM

I hope to see less Forum Politics here @ WB because that was one of the major problems @ BF...

I definately agree with you and that's why serious discussion was the most boring forum in the world.

Luther-Stark

02-08-2004, 4:34 PM

I don't understand your point TheNutCracker. Serious Discussion had nothign to do with Forum Politics at all. Please explain.

zergstain

02-08-2004, 4:47 PM

Care to clarify that?I guess not. I'm not surprised, I should have expected to be ignored.

02-08-2004, 4:49 PM

Zerg, I'm not ignoring you.. there have been many many posts here and on BF talking about things that contradict what XG3 has said. Read. ;)

ZeroDarkStar

02-08-2004, 4:52 PM

It takes 30 seconds to register and activate an account here. If SC.org gets "28,000 raw hits a day and 1/8 of them hit the forum button," and its been ten hours, and let's say 10% of those 1/8 register, you should have 150 members. And with this alleged mass exodus from BF, I'd say that you should have anywhere from 200 to 400 members by the end of today. Right now you have 38. You have 12 hours.
You obvously didn't see the little remark at the end of my post.

Staind

02-08-2004, 4:57 PM

The only real problem with Blizzforums was the admin, especially PirateFace. I think it will have a lighter atmosphere here where I don't have fear of ban for posting something. (Same with brand new posters). I remember people getting banned on BF for simply posting in the "wrong" forum which is just ridiculous.

TheNutCracker

02-08-2004, 5:02 PM

The problem with Pirate Face was that he was always right. He also had issues with computers and your computer not fitting his requirement.
I think we need UserFriendly to join up over here. :p

02-08-2004, 5:02 PM

Guys, PirateFace is not the issue here.. He's a fine fellow and I've no problems with him.

zergstain

02-08-2004, 5:11 PM

If you were talking about XG3's first post in the what really happend thread, DC's thread didn't really tell me anything.

Staind

02-08-2004, 5:15 PM

Guys, PirateFace is not the issue here.. He's a fine fellow and I've no problems with him.

I didn't mind him really, but he just abused his power like mad and treated everyone like they were inferior. I hope this doesn't happen here.
:mad:

BSTRhino

02-08-2004, 5:15 PM

StarCraft.org gets 3000-4000 hits a day. About 24000 a week ZeroDarkStar lol. I'm lead to believe that at least 90% of them are first time visitors from google, or people trying to type in www.starcraft.com

StarCraft.org's vistor count has been increasing steadily by 200 extra visitors every week for the past three weeks.

It has been 14 hours since I posted Edgewize's announcement on the StarCraft.org main page. I think it's too long and really irrelevant to the new guys, since it was written to the BlizzForums community. I was trying to get gibb to post his one... dunchy if you see him on, talk to him about that.

The Legacy Network differs from the ORG network because it appeals to the real hardcore gamers. But ORG is a community website appealing to mere mortals. For example, the StarCraft.org tactics section is filled with all these things like mass overlord drop rushes and how to nuke properly. SCLegacy's tactics section is much more elegant.

The good thing is we compliment each other. However, the truth is, Legacy is beating us. Like dunchy said, look at how many comments they get. They also get returning visitors. A lot of our visitors are one offs.

But, like I was saying, we appeal to different communities. The truth is, we shouldn't be competing for visitors at all, because our sites are quite opposite. So I don't see why we should start a big fight over this.

02-08-2004, 5:22 PM

What Gibb wrote:
"A dream never dies"

Nearly three years ago, a few devoted fans had a dream--a vision--a passion. And today, that dream is being relived.

That vision was to unite the Blizzard community. It was a monumentous task, but the young dreamers were steadfast in their efforts to unite the forces of the Blizzard community. At that time (which now seems aeons ago), the Blizzard community was being torn apart by intolerance and petty bickering. Through the establishment of a community hub, the dream to unite the Blizzard community was slowly becoming a reality.

The hours spent, the lines of code written, and the hard work spent to make the dream a reality was well worth it. But time, the wisest of all teachers, has since shown some of us that it just wasn't meant to be. No, it wasn't the hardened Starcraft player or the devoted Warcraft fan that caused the downfall. It was, ironically enough, some of the creators of the manifestation which caused, over time, the dream to be eroded. To some (including even a couple of the early visionaries), it may seem that the dream is lost, and we are wasting our time. Yet Time, I do think, will show us that the contrary is true.

Is the dream dead? No. It is alive and well, with as much vigor and passion as it was months (or even years) ago. Welcome to Warboards.org. A collaboration of the ORG Network (Starcraft.org and Warcraft.org), this forum is designed for the average Blizzard fan to discuss, debate, and peruse topics of . We welcome every fan of Blizzard's numerous games to join us in discussion, debate, and conversation about topics of mutual interest with fellow members of the Blizzard community. We will hold no bias for any member of the community, and we hope that you will give the same respect to others.

Why are we doing this? What's the catch? No catch. We love Blizzard games, just as you do. We aren't gaining anything through this site, except for the inner joy of uniting a community of fans. But most importantly, we want the dream to live on...to live on through you. So we humbly beseech you; join us in our dream. Welcome to Warboards.org.

UndeadBastard

02-08-2004, 5:25 PM

Woot! Nicely said AJ, or should I say Gibb..:cheers:

Fenguin

02-08-2004, 5:26 PM

That brought a tear to my eye. Very well-said. :) Omg you're a genius.

zergstain

02-08-2004, 5:26 PM

Did I imagine reading that BST informed the BF admin that certain members were egging AJ on?

ZeroDarkStar

02-08-2004, 5:27 PM

About 24000 a week ZeroDarkStar lol.
Woops, my bad. I knew something was fishy about that number.

^_^

BSTRhino

02-08-2004, 5:51 PM

No, you read that right zergstain. I did it because of the harsh words they direct towards AJ when he was the one who built the forums. He didn't deserve all the blame, and he didn't deserve to be labelled as a bad person. I felt compassion, it kinda just took me over and made me try to convince XG3 to stop being so harsh. I don't think it helped at all, it just got more people banned.

Anyway, thanks AJ, I needed that. I've posted it on the main page of StarCraft.org, and I've edited the database so it says posted by Gibb.

SiegeTank

02-08-2004, 6:00 PM

Now that was in a strange and unintended way amusing. Not the surrounding events mind you, the speech in and of itself. "A dream... A vision... A passion", what the hell is this, Beethoven's 5th? The Sixtine Chapel? It's a website for goodness' sake! You make it seem as if somebody died. That is not what happened. You branched off and started a website of yourself. Well, good for you I guess... I understand that you want to write a welcome speech, some sort of introductory babble that at the same time can be used to promote the site, but this is overdoing it.

"No. It is alive and well, with as much vigor and passion as it was months (or even years) ago. Welcome to Warboards.org."

Hand me a paper bag please... I do not pretend to fully understand the entire situation, but this speech is hilarious in it's own right, and I mean that not to make fun of you, but as a sincere advise. It's mushy. It's boasting. It's overboosting the ego of a site that exists what? 24 hours at best.

Then again, this might all be some American thing, just like waving big flags around for no particular reason...

UndeadBastard

02-08-2004, 6:04 PM

Rofl. It's .ORG reborn, a nice way of persuading people to join. Hi Siege. I stayed in Amsterdam for 6 months.

BSTRhino

02-08-2004, 6:04 PM

SiegeTank, the ORG network is the result of the thousands of hours worth of effort from many different people all over the globe. Are you really surprised that they shared a dream? If not, then what was driving them to do all that work?

ChaosZon

02-08-2004, 6:06 PM

Then again, this might all be some American thing, just like waving big flags around for no particular reason...

You mean like Europeans do whenever they bathe? Once a week or so? ;)

Gotta love the Dutchman.

Luther-Stark

02-08-2004, 6:22 PM

Siege, show some decency man. C'mon now, if you don't like it, fine. You don't haev to go around telling people its dumb. Whats the point? Trying to piss people off?

Relax man.

!~Cheers(Nah)

Antius

02-08-2004, 6:35 PM

Blizzforums is about to be overrun by newbies.

ChaosZon

02-08-2004, 6:36 PM

I know, man! BF is about to be overrun by newbies because anyone who signs up here must automatically never be returning to BF, right?

*shakes head*

Edgewize

02-09-2004, 4:20 AM

I hate to admit it, but I agree with Siege ... c'mon, we're starting a web site, not presenting a eulogy at the Pope's funeral! Gibb's a great writer but I think it was way over-dramatic.

This site wasn't supposed to be such a huge deal... :)

SiegeTank

02-09-2004, 4:54 AM

Exactly.

Are you really surprised that they shared a dream? If not, then what was driving them to do all that work?

To be fair, yes, I don't pretend to fully comprehend why people put "thousands of hours" of work into composing code for a website... I don't see the fun in that. Doesn't mean I don't appreciate them doing it, but I don't fully understand. But, I don't think that was your point.

However I don't think you got my point either. It wasn't about that you guys shouldn't be proud of what you made. It's about the speech, which is pompous and inflated. It shouldn't be, because you usually don't draw many people with pompous and inflated speeches. Now, would you want people to tell you if they thought you dressed like shit, or would you want them to say to you that you looked wonderful whilst they actually think you look like shit? Emperor's new clothes, y'know.