Painting

[TheBB]

Does anybody recognize this painting? What's it called?

http://norwayst.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=214581&id=535901265&l=0f2aa

Thanks for all help. :)

BB

[Thedutchjelle]

Try uploading it to an image hosting site, the one you link to required an account.

[TheBB]

Sorry, the album is publicly availible, but I didn't realize the link would be different. It should work now.

[TinyDancer]

I've seen it before, but I don't remember where, sorry.

[hammocksleeper]

Where'd you see it?

[Neo]

Ugh, I've tried, but with so few clues I can't even narrow it down.

Anytime I search for something specific I confuse google. I'm also not entirely sure it's a painting -- it might be on a wall/ceiling or something (?) because of the way it kind of looks.

Have you sent a message to the person who put it up on Facebook? Even knowing the name of the building where its at might help =/

-Neo

[DarkMirror]

reminds me of Narnia. What with the lion, and the weird fantasy thing.

[Fenguin]

Try uploading it to an image hosting site, the one you link to required an account.

Holy shit, you don't have facebook?

[Modred]

Have you sent a message to the person who put it up on Facebook? Even knowing the name of the building where its at might help =/

-Neo

Telling BB to send a message to himself seems a bit strange. =p Judging by the title of the album, I'm assuming it's in Bern, Switzerland, but cannot answer to the gallery or museum.

Anyway, I've been searching for around 15 minutes and haven't come up with anything. I may give it another shot later, now that it's piqued my interest, but I'll stop for now.

[TheBB]

Thanks for the effort guys. Yeah, the person who put that up is me, I even took the damn picture, and didn't have the clarity of mind to have a look at the label next to it. It's quite large, and circular, so might not be a painting, that's true.

I believe the museums name is the historical museum of Bern, and this could be found in the Einstein exhibition as an example of art from Bavaria (south Germany). I'm guessing then that the time period in question is the 1800s, but may be off in that regard.

[hammocksleeper]

I could be wrong but glancing at the painting I'm pretty sure that it predates the 19th century.

[TheBB]

Maybe, but it was included in a section that was supposed to explain the social and political nature of the society Einstein was born in, which is why I guessed 1800s. Like I said, I may be off...

[Neo]

Ha. Go me and my reading comprehension.

Info helped: http://www.bhm.ch/downloads/ausstellung_3.jpg

Albert Einstein spent his childhood in Munich, capital of the kingdom of Bavaria and rising industrial city. Huge painting: on loan from the Altes Rathaus, Munich. The property of: Münchner Stadtmuseum. Photo: Historisches Museum Bern

http://www.bhm.ch/

I can't find anything else out. You might try emailing the museum. I don't understand, the painting obviously has a signature on it, but it's not mentioned in the text their, and it's to messed up to try to sharpen or anything. We know its on loan, and originally belongs to someone else, but we aren't told the name, lol.

-Neo

[Modred]

After about an hour of searching, I can't give you the name or artist, yet, but I've deduced some information that might help.

Disclaimer: Much of this information was deduced from observations of the painting and its surroundings, in addition to a little bit of snooping into German history.

In addition to the photo Neo found, another angle on the same painting can be found at http://www.bhm.ch/en/auxx/einstein/impressionen/img_6.jpg. This shows a little bit more of this area in the exhibit, and by looking in the upper left corner you can see that this is part of a section titled something along the lines of "Art in the German Empire", which dates it between 1871 and 1918. This would incorporate Einstein's childhood, considering he was born in 1879.

In addition, there are multiple olive branches and what appears to be an olympic torch. The woman is holding up an olive branch, which suggests victory in the context of the games. Assuming this refers to some Olympic competition, we can further narrow the dates to post 1896, when the Olympics were restarted (also note that Germany had some outstanding athletes in those games and won more gold medals in 1896 than in any other Olympic games held between 1896 and World War I).

The pattern on the shield carried by the child corresponds to one variation on the flag of Munich. The lion is part of the Bavarian coat of arms, but I couldn't find any specific connection to Munich, aside from Munich being the capital of Bavaria.

It may be a slight stretch, but considering the time period and symbols, assuming I interpreted them properly, this may be some sort of commemoration of German performance at one of the Olympic games of this period, especially of athletes from Munich. Even if we can't assume this much, I believe the narrowed date range (1896 - 1918) is probably accurate.

Also, the Altes Rathaus is the Old Town Hall in Munich, which is apparently where this work is normally displayed. The Münchner Stadtmuseum (http://www.stadtmuseum-online.de/), if my guesswork based off of Google's translation of their webpage is correct, would be the municipal museum in Munich, which apparently owns the painting. If I could just find a site or other resource that lists the assets of this museum, it would probably be a simple matter to find the painting.

EDIT: All of this looking up pre-World War I German history makes me want to visit Germany. Anyone want to provide financial backing? I'm sure there's something in Germany of enough interest to you for me to go investigate, if you but take some time to think of something. ^_^

[TheBB]

Shit, you guys are good :).

I'll dispatch an e-mail to the Munich Stadtmuseum today. In my knowledge, though, these kinds of places don't often reply very frequently. Anyway, you've been a big help, and I guess we'll soon see if Modreds qualified guesswork is up to it.

I've never been to that part of Germany, but to my knowledge it's very nice. I'm still in Switzerland at the moment, and it's certainly worth a visit. If you want financial backing, however, don't come to me :).

BB

[Neo]

I think you'd be better off contacting the bern museum where the piece is (currently?)

Their site can be translated into a few different languages, and generally seems to be up to date (so chances are if you send an email, they'd respond).

The museum where the piece is originally from though, their site is kind of... smallish =/

Modred, nice work.

-Neo

[TheBB]

Okay, I got it!

Bavaria and «Münchner Kindl»
By Bruno Piglhein, Munich, 1891.
A pictorial homage to the Prince Regent Luitpold on his 70th birthday.

The lion and the figure of Bavaria stand for the kingdom of Bavaria. The «Münchner Kindl» (child of Munich) is the heraldic device of the Bavarian capital, which commissioned the painting.

[IrishDutchman]

Holy shit, you don't have facebook?

Holy shit, Fenguins posting again?

You get that a lot, don't you?

[Thedutchjelle]

What is a facebook anyway.