New Storyline Thread

[Ktan]

At V1sitor's suggestion, the new revelations from the new SC II SP trailer can be discussed here.





Zeratul is still awesome.

[Faiien]

/agreed the new gameplay video that showed off the campaign was absolutely breathtaking from the graphics to the gameplay. i totally loved how they changed it. I think that the xel are gonna be a lil pissed that their own creations attacked them and destroyed them and they may be back for a lil vengeace

[Protogod]

I dont want emo emu xel'naga.

They shouldnt be all mad and out for revenge imo. They are cold calculating scientists, and they should just be that powerful uncaring enemy.

Im not liking the way the terran campaign sounded, though. Doing random odd-jobs for terrans is kinda less-than-epic. It is probably either gonna be the first campaign or get reworked.

[Faiien]

it could be their trying to approach the game from a rpg point of view.
they said you could buy units, upgrade units, pick your missions, and even interact with other characters sounds to me kinda like a rts/rpg?

[pytum]

damn... i dislike that thing about buy units and stuff... whats happening with blizz!!

and... why is tychus with raynor???...

ktan you forgot the medic icon :cool:

[Protogod]

it could be their trying to approach the game from a rpg point of view.
they said you could buy units, upgrade units, pick your missions, and even interact with other characters sounds to me kinda like a rts/rpg?

not really an rpg. Its just in between missions you can unfold the story in a more customizeable manner.

[vIsitor]

Just because you can complete some of the missions out of order does not necessarily mean that you can progress through the plot at your leisure. Likely, there will be missions only available after you have completed missions x, y, & z. You may just be doing odd jobs at first, but sooner or later you're going to fall into the bigger picture.

As for the units, well, that actually makes some sense, not to mention a certain amount of convenience in the way of formulating your own strategies. Before, you were restricted by preset parameters which, at times, did not make much sense. Now you are limited by your monetary--and tactical--sense.

Tychus is from Mar Sara, so I would assume that he and Raynor have a history together.

This Matt Horner has a really nice uniform. Is he the old Magestrate, or does he just have really good fashion sense?

[DarkMirror]

Very true. He is stylish.

[TheRighteous]

At V1sitor's suggestion, the new revelations from the new SC II SP trailer can be discussed here.





Zeratul is still awesome.Can someone link me to this video? Thanks.

[apostolos]

www.starcraft.org has it as newspost.

[Kellanved]

So I think that this demo was shown in the middle of a story, not early on. Given the cinematic demo, Tychus probably starts off in some sort of battle situation, and I'm guessing that he will meet up with Jimmy in the middle of a campaign. Of course they'll recognize each other, because from their conversation in the campaign demo, they have a history together. Raynor will probably pull him out of the ranks of the Terran Dominion.

But I want to bring something up. This is the second time we heard the word 'cycle' mentioned. Duran said that the birth of the hybrids marks the end of this part of the 'cycle', or something like that. Now Zeratul is saying that the end of existence (or something similar) is nigh, and I don't know if this is related or another statement altogether, but that the Xel Naga are coming. So does this confirm that Duran works for/is a Xel Naga?

Also, it looks like Zeratul was coming back from a skirmish. It can't be the very skirmish that was the bonus campaign because this is 4 years later. So perhaps he led some resistance against hybrids. Also, Duran didn't give him enough info. for him to know that the Xel are coming, so something must have went down with Zeratul afterwards.

P.S. Though Raynor looks tougher and more badass, I'd have to say that I like his older look better, because he was just more likable that way.

[pytum]

yeah... i like the older look... and the dude that is the second in command (i dont know his name, can someone tell me?) look so real! but at the time of chat, everything went down...

[Eivind]

That was the best thing since the wheel. I had kinda half-lost my interest in SCII because there were so few updates, but this is great! Original, well alittle original anyways for a RTS, that is. And Xel' Naga!

[Ktan]

This Matt Horner has a really nice uniform. Is he the old Magestrate, or does he just have really good fashion sense?

That actually makes quite a bit of sense. It's obvious that after you side with Raynor in Terran (Vanilla) Mission 10 and help him escape that you'd be pretty high up on Raynor's Christmas Card link. Thus, it would make sense if Horner was the Mar Saran Magistrate.

Also, IIRC, Artanis was the executor from the original campaign. I think it was in one of the books.

[Thedutchjelle]

I don't like Matt Horners uniform.. while it looks kewl, it's made of metal. He should've made it of cloth/ w/e, like Stukov and Dugalle. That looked better.

[Serban]

As for the units, well, that actually makes some sense, not to mention a certain amount of convenience in the way of formulating your own strategies. Before, you were restricted by preset parameters which, at times, did not make much sense. Now you are limited by your monetary--and tactical--sense.

Exactly... If previously you started with a few of unit type x, now, you choose what x is... And that does not mean that you won't be able to build ANY other unit type according to the tech tree...
Of course, unless they'll do like in StarCraft 1 and reveal the tree progressively through the campaign [which would make more sense, imho], or, like in BroodWar, and give the full tree almost from the beginning [slight chances of this; in BroodWar you had this just because you were already familiar with the game and you were leading the full scale assault every time].

[Diege]

That is freaking awesome. The buying units is actually like buying unit types. it allows you to build those units in your next level. so instead of getting marines in the first level then medics on the next then vikings on the next. you could get a different order. you could play a bunch of levels with only marines and save up to have battle cruisers early.

[Basan]

*Ahem* I think that the way the tech' tree is/will be used is more of a gameplay thread (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=27471) issue to me than anything else. Hence forth am getting back to story plot now. ;)

From what we've heard Kerrigan has sit tight on Char for the time being. Remembering what she stated when BW was finishing I think that she's mustering forces to deal with that menace she felt being raised. If it's Duran or not (i.e., Xel'Naga for example) or even both, that is a thing that we'll have to see later on.

Artanis has been trying to amend the rift between DT's and and Khalai followers. It seems that he's experiencing some difficulties and I assume that that is mostly due to the absence of Zeratul to ease calming down things.
I can almost bet that in the mid time Zeratul went back to do some major exploring in the search for Duran and perhaps some old records dig ups (Xel'Naga ones amidst this research) to be more enlightened of what the new possible threat that the 'Toss/Zerg hybrids might pose.

Raynor has been portrayed as more of a rag tag freedom fighter/merc' group that somewhat has to find his own path in the belligerent war to come between the 'Tossies/Zerg/Dominion. Sure hope that he plays a greater role than the displayed so far. And we still don't even know if the UED will show it's face around again to stir things a lil' further.

As for Mengsk, he will be minding his own empire, while at the same time trying to gather some more ways to become even more powerful. Being those through alien archaeologic findings or by simply harnessing the resources to grant him the means to pull the necessary tech' developments to face and defeat the Zerg and 'Tossies (along with an eventual UED match up).

As for newcomers like Tycus... *Meh* :P

[Faiien]

what role do you guys think the new protoss female will play?

i believe her name is Silendas the executor

[poetsoul]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the voice actor for Jim Raynor is the same? Whereas Zeratul's is different.

I quite like where the Terran campaign is going. Part of what make the original game for me is the story, the interweaving webs of political struggle. Judging by the trailer, I'd say all that is going to return in SPADES for the sequel.

I have only one dim echo of concern at this point. I know that Blizzard has yet to make a bad game yet, and that they know how to instruct their actors for the various roles, but the alcoholic Jim Raynor has me very, very slightly nervous.

Please, not another PoP 2. You all know what I mean.

[Eivind]

My doubts for this game goes down for every update.

The current question now is: how far into the game do you think what we were showed were? I'm guessing by that point you've already played protoss as Artanis, and then as Terran you meet Zeratul for the first time in SCII and side with him (maybe even getting protoss help). I don't know, just a rough guess.

[pytum]

i hope that instead of 10 levels... be like 15-18 levels!!! each campaing...

[Protogod]

i hope that instead of 10 levels... be like 15-18 levels!!! each campaing...


and what does that have to do wit hthe storyline? obv everyone wants more of a good thing.

[Zergrock544]

Hi everyone it's been a long time, anyway, in the announcement trailer a creature that didn't fit the profile of the Hydra. I can only assume that this is a hybrid. My two cents.

[Protogod]

Hi everyone it's been a long time, anyway, in the announcement trailer a creature that didn't fit the profile of the Hydra. I can only assume that this is a hybrid. My two cents.

Thank you for almost contributing. Try again.

[ShadowGonissa]

Thank you, Proto, for my daily dose of sarcasm. :D

In any case, I think the gameplay's a little to complicated for me (I only say that because I stink at strategy and play SC only for the storyline), but it does look really good, as far as graphics go. Seems like Raynor had a makeover. I like the new look.

Anywho, I don't like the whole artifacts and "end of all things" deal. It makes Starcraft lean towards fantasy, rather than a more war/science fiction thing. Ugh, the Xel'Naga coming back is so corny....they should just have a smaller role, if at all possible.

[pytum]

i just saw the movie of the transformers and.... they remembered me the viking!!! yay! lol... well, i would like the idea of seeing a xel'naga but... im afraid about how they will look... i hope that blizz dont mess out that.

[vIsitor]

I'm sure its a bit more complicated than that, ShadowGonissa.

This "Mobius Foundation" is clearly taking an unusually keen interest towards these artifacts. We don't know who they are but, judging by what Mr. Horner said, they operate in a clandestine manner, and are currently employing Raynor's Raiders as mercenaries.

Jim was right to say that this perviously unknown "Mobius" group had reason reason to cover their tracks, given that Raynor & Co. are wanted criminals. However, I would find it unlikely that Blizzard would have Raynor's trusted lieutenant bring up the subject in conversation unless it meant something. The MF is covering its tracks, alright, but I believe that Raynor is only half the reason.

Now, onto a slightly different matter.

It was already mentioned that Zeratul's reference to the 'cycle' probably refers to the Hybrids, seeing as Duran called the Hybrid Zeratul found the 'completion of a cycle'. And the artifacts are the key to the cycle. The key to the Hybrids, or, rather, the key to the Hybrids awakening.

Consider, there were almost certainly many Protoss corpses available for the Overmind to infest on Auir during the invasion, and yet it failed to incorporate the Protoss purity of form into itself. I would imagine this is caused by an innate incompatibility between essence and form, which is not easily reconciled.

This would explain why the artifacts would be needed to awaken the Hybrids, and not simply a dose of neuro-stimulants administered by Duran's clandestine mercenaries. If creating form and essence was so difficult for the Xel'Naga, then uniting them would be the ultimate test of their existence.

[TitanWing]

So essentially your saying the same thing I theorize? That the Mobius Foundation may be involved with Duran?

[Thedutchjelle]

Thank you, Proto, for my daily dose of sarcasm. :D

In any case, I think the gameplay's a little to complicated for me (I only say that because I stink at strategy and play SC only for the storyline), but it does look really good, as far as graphics go. Seems like Raynor had a makeover. I like the new look.

Anywho, I don't like the whole artifacts and "end of all things" deal. It makes Starcraft lean towards fantasy, rather than a more war/science fiction thing. Ugh, the Xel'Naga coming back is so corny....they should just have a smaller role, if at all possible.

I dislike the way the story goes to, especially those 'artifacts'.

They sound so.. so... odd. In SC1, you had to pick up items, but atleast they were relevant and had a actualy idea behind them, now i feel it's like 'OMG ITS ALIEN THUS WORTH MUCH!!'

[pytum]

yeah... i kind of dislike who the history starts with "taking" some artifacts... if jimmy only needs money... why dont he just attack a terran dominion base and steal money from their banks or from the command center or something...
yeah... he will be branded (again) as a criminal, but at least he got money and be ready to kick some zergy asses... instead of attack some people of the race that gave him home and food while he was homeless and he encountered friends like artanis and zeratul... anyways, the protoss now are f*ck*d up and, i suppose, that they are gaining forces to fight again...

[TitanWing]

It made me laugh to see how they had to cheat on their own level. Judging by the size of the Toss base, it would only take 20 minutes to overwhelm.

[apostolos]

Yeah.I hope they keep the "cheat" cheat.On topic.Who do you think will end SC2?I think the Zerg.

[BlackDefiler]

Possibly yes, If there's an upcoming expansion.

[Faiien]

lets not talk about the expansion when the game isnt even out yet

i think the terrans might end this one...with jimmy dying...hmm lol

[Shadowriver]

Killing Jimmy in first campaign would be nonsense ;p He got lot of things to do...

[Faiien]

like...? drinking more alchohol? killing the dominon? rescuing kerri?
nonsense i meant he could die after he does all these things

[Shadowriver]

But you can do more interesting things with character at end then killing him ;p besides first (let's say it will be first) campaign is to early to kill main epic Terran character ;p

[TitanWing]

We could always get Stukov back...he kicked Raynor's ass when it comes to cool.

[Faiien]

Also, Metzen confirmed we might not see Stukov in StarCraft II, but maybe in the future. And no, Fenix will not return.


i dont think stukov is coming back in this one

[Protogod]

"might" not

[Faiien]

lol
details i say, details XD

[ShadowGonissa]

Hm...but weren't the clandestine mercenaries in the secret mission Protoss? That's what they were labelled as...why would the Toss assist in making hybrids?

[Protogod]

They wouldnt.

[DarkMirror]

The mercs in the SM were terrans. And the toss stuff was stolen tech.
Just clearing that up.

Oh, and I remember from an interview with someone who ent to see blizzcon, the guy said that it had been confirmed that Stukov wouldnt be coming back.

*Cries*

[sdbolts11]

But he got unzerged by Raynor in Resurrection IV level :(
He better come back, he's the most kickass guy. He will easily replace the gay guy in the black uniform that sucks up to Raynor.

[vIsitor]

Hmm...now this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1037854/plotsummary) is interesting. I ran across it when I was looking up the profile of Raynor's voice actor, Robert Clotworthy.

Admittedly, its filled with inconsistencies, and was likely written in a hurry, but it nonetheless seems legitimate. And the last part certainly caught my interest.

Discuss.

[Faiien]

no way...a sc movie? thats unbelievable -_-
it does sound interesting though and i think itll be the first film from blizzard if its legit and we've all seen their cutscenes lol imagine their cgi if they decide to go that route instead of the actual actors and atresses rout

[vIsitor]

No, not a movie, Sushi. This is the description of the anticipated game. Notably, the site is largely devoted to movies because it is an archive of actors, but that which is referenced is marked VG, a video game.

The note of a hero resurrecting for a 'second time' seems interesting, to say the least. We know Fenix and Stukov will not be making an appearance, so that rules them out. And, considering other errors, the 'second time' is somewhat dubious. Nevertheless, it seems that someone is being revived.

[TitanWing]

But he got unzerged by Raynor in Resurrection IV level :(
He better come back, he's the most kickass guy. He will easily replace the gay guy in the black uniform that sucks up to Raynor.
Stukov isn't gonna suck up to Raynor...Raynor can fuck himself for all I care. I would massively prefer Stukov taking a more important role in SC2 than Raynor, who's just a gullible little drunk.

[Shadowriver]

"Hard days" may pass ;p

[sdbolts11]

Stukov isn't gonna suck up to Raynor...Raynor can fuck himself for all I care. I would massively prefer Stukov taking a more important role in SC2 than Raynor, who's just a gullible little drunk.
Well, Stukov and Raynor can be buddy generals, just like DuGalle and Stukov were xD

[TitanWing]

Until DuGalle had Stukov killed.

I guess Raynor bites the dust.

[sdbolts11]

But... Raynor cured Stukov :( I think Stukov is thankful and will gladly kick Dominion ass again.

Also, is it me, or are the guys in SC2 like HUGE! Like not even anything like an average human.

[Eivind]

Yes, you are right. Not to mention the marine uniforms. But Blizzard has finally excknowledged it now:

"He went to take a piss."
"In that suit?"

[BlackDefiler]

Why do you think Stukov will be alive in SC2 simply because he was brought back to life in a novel? Blizzard doesn't have to follow the storyline if they don't want to.

[sdbolts11]

Dude it was a fuckin SC mission created by Blizzard, not a book.

Also, I don't mean marine suits, but just the people. Like Raynor looks like some bodybuilder or something. Same with his second in command and even his fat chief engineer is too huge for a normal human being.

You look at real life soldiers, and it's like: Okay, they have some strength obviously, but nothing super spectacular, especially not like uber super Arnold Schwarzenneger Mr. Universe like Raynor seems to be :(

[Basan]

If Stukov was in Raynor's ranks he soon would supplant him (and take over of it's operations). Military trait for organization/control, I'd say.

If Stukov appears he might be hunting down Duran.

[BlackDefiler]

Yeah Blizzard always liked very big people in even bigger armor. It's cool IMO. They look uber badass thatway.

[Ktan]

Hmm...now this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1037854/plotsummary) is interesting. I ran across it when I was looking up the profile of Raynor's voice actor, Robert Clotworthy.

Admittedly, its filled with inconsistencies, and was likely written in a hurry, but it nonetheless seems legitimate. And the last part certainly caught my interest.

Discuss.

Sometimes IMDB includes games in its database. This was probably written by a clueless guy who got fed a few rumours or half truths about SC II and is used to writing synopsises for films.

[Protogod]

Why do you think Stukov will be alive in SC2 simply because he was brought back to life in a novel?

Try secret sc mission written and made by blizzard.

[BlackDefiler]

Secret sc mission? Where is that?

[DarkMirror]

N64 sc game.

[BlackDefiler]

Oh... Well I didn't really play with that...

[TitanWing]

There's a mission on battle.net that has infested Stukov in it.

Made by Blizzard.

[DarkMirror]

Yep. Mercanaries 2.

[Diege]

I think the Story line is going to unfold Protoss, Zerg, Terran Based on the fact that in the single player movie. Zeratul is hurt and that the protoss have the relics.

[sdbolts11]

N64 sc game.
Ugh, you can get it on the internet for computer...

[Protogod]

Ugh, you can get it on the internet for computer...

You're Welcome.

[sdbolts11]

Ah thanks for getting it for anyone who wants to play it Proto. It's a pretty fun mission. Not a build and conquer, like most missions... you just get troops, and well, conquer xD
I would suggest everyone who has not played it to play it.

[Protogod]

I would suggest everyone who has not played it to play it.

If not just for the fun of it, for the storyline info.

[vIsitor]

SC:Legacy has posted (http://www.sclegacy.com/editorials/sciilore.php) an overview of the official Blizzard responses regarding the current state of the StarCraft universe. Go read.

I find it interesting, to say the least. How they not-so-subtly implied that Kerrigan might not be the undisputed ruler of the swarms has dire enough ramifications.

But who is pulling the strings if not Kerrigan, then? Our favored representatives suggested that, perhaps, not all the Cerebrates were slain. Perhaps, then, Daggoth survived, as has been speculated. But after such a defeat, how would he, after having endured such a crushing defeat at the hands of the UED, have the forces to preoccupy Kerrigan for four years? He had to have received help. And what faction has prior experience with the Zerg, the manpower to help, and the motivation to agree to such an insane truce? Think about it.

[Protogod]

That was quite deperessing for me, actually. I dunno why, I mean it was good and all, but it was so...bleak. Lol.

[Faiien]

bleak as in depressing?
i guess i could feel that vibe a lil
how jim's situation at the moment was
how the protoss were struggling to reunite
how the end of all things was coming lol

[Protogod]

how the end of all things was coming

that'll do it, lol

[sdbolts11]

Didn't provide so much information as I would have hoped. I only learned the name of Raynor's gay ass captain, that Mengsk has a son, and that SC2 takes place FOUR YEARS after BW, and not 10 or w/e people have been saying. No mention of Tychus Findlay in there, which was quite depressing in itself.

[Protogod]

Didn't provide so much information as I would have hoped. I only learned the name of Raynor's gay ass captain, that Mengsk has a son, and that SC2 takes place FOUR YEARS after BW, and not 10 or w/e people have been saying.

You overlooked piles of stuff while you "read."

[sdbolts11]

Nope, I read the whole thing. And lol, that's all I learned new.

[Faiien]

-_-...wow...you missed alot of info i suggest you go back and read it again or if your more visual theres a video at them bottom that should help...

[Protogod]

-_-...wow...you missed alot of info i suggest you go back and read it again or if your more visual theres a video at them bottom that should help...
I am of the opinion that he is incapable of learning. We can continue to talk amongst ourselves however.

[pytum]

why is tychus findlay there??, i think that he dont have to be with raynor at the start... i think tychus must be rescued from a world in the middle of a battle or something like that, but i need to see the story to know why is tychus findlay with raynor?

[qwertyuiop106]

That's what the history section/green screens are for.

[reddbeta]

is it just me or is Matt too well dressed for being with a low on cash criminal group? i have a bad feeling about him being a dominion spy

as for the order what if it was 4 parts? coming back to one of the races for the final campaign?

[sdbolts11]

Lol. Matt is the captain of the Hyperion :D. He's been with Raynor for a long time lol... I don't think he's a Dominion spy. And Raynor would see through it anyways if he was, Raynor's no idiot. The 2 things that really surprised me the most were that your are playing as Raynor's Raiders, not the Dominion, in Terran campaign, and that Findlay is a Raider and not dominion soldier.

[DarkMirror]

Findlay probobly WAS a dominion soldier, but raynor saves him.

[sdbolts11]

IDK. in the campaign GP, he says, "it's been a long time Jimmy" or something like that. BTW, Findlay was a Dominion prisoner... most likely a rebel against the Dominion that Jimmy had known before and then rescued from the prison.

If he was an enemy to Jimmy, as the Dominion is, then how can be rescued by the "enemy" and then have complete allegiance to the enemy and complete hatred to his nation. Doesn't make sense lol.

[Basan]

IDK. in the campaign GP, he says, "it's been a long time Jimmy" or something like that. BTW, Findlay was a Dominion prisoner... most likely a rebel against the Dominion that Jimmy had known before and then rescued from the prison.

If he was an enemy to Jimmy, as the Dominion is, then how can be rescued by the "enemy" and then have complete allegiance to the enemy and complete hatred to his nation. Doesn't make sense lol.

Pardon me, but have you played SC-BW at all? :P In the Terran campaign it had at least two similar moments to that one (one, in which Mengsk saves Raynor, and two, when Raynor saves Duke).

[Death505]

I thought the vid was sick and this is all i am hoping for. I hope that terran is either not the last campgine or that each campgine has like 15-19 missions because zeratual showing up in the Middle of the LAST campgine is sad to me

[pytum]

yeah... each campaing with 20 missions please!!

which race do you think that is going to start the game?

[reddbeta]

i think the protoss will start, there main story seems to be centered mainly on there own inner conflict. it wouldn't make sense to have it later. the zerg might be next and in that is where i think Zerutal learns whats going on and whats coming which then leads to Jim entering all of this and closing the story

[sdbolts11]

Pardon me, but have you played SC-BW at all? :P In the Terran campaign it had at least two similar moments to that one (one, in which Mengsk saves Raynor, and two, when Raynor saves Duke).
Pardon me, but have you seen the Terran campaign GP video at all?
ROFL! Well, Mengsk and Duke still hate Raynor's guts, and likewise. But Raynor and Findlay seemed to be good old buddies. LOL! kthx.

[vIsitor]

Duke is dead, bolts. Remember True Colors? Duke was permakilled by Kerrigan's backstabbing shenanigans (Fenix too). Sometimes I wonder if you even played the Brood War campaigns.

[sdbolts11]

Uh... I was talking before Duke died lol... Yes, I know the Zerg campaign, and that level where you kill Fenix and Duke. kthx. So please have some common sense and not bullshit. thanks again.

So back to a rational discussion, Findlay and Raynor are good old buddies and Findlay sure is happy to be fighting with Raynor. Contrary, Raynor fucking hated Mengsk and Duke and likewise. I don't think Findlay is some "enemy" Raynor rescued. BTW, Findlay is fighting with him, not like Raynor just saved him and let him do his thing like he did with Mengsk and Duke. Yeah, remember the Emperor's Fall level when Raynor and Protoss buddies pop in at the end and save Mengsk? Yeah, kthx. So visitor, I really wonder if you have brains and even more if YOU have played the BW campaigns.

[VigilanteV]

..gtfo...you have had a 1017 post of crap...and whats with the stupid kthx thing you keep doing. Makes you sound like some teenage girl.

anyways, that group that want Raynor to get the artifact, i was wondering what do they want them for?

i also think that the protoss will start the campang, just because the terran have to end it. The zerg will be the middle man.

I don't know what you could possibly do in the zerg one... They may help the terran and toss fight off the hibrid/Xel'naga...but we all know how that would end...

i hate read stuff about a game thats not out yet, make the wait very hard...

[Faiien]

I really wonder if you have brains and even more if YOU have played the BW campaigns.
...sometimes i wonder the same thing about someone on this forum

anyways, that group that want Raynor to get the artifact, i was wondering what do they want them for?
/sell

I don't know what you could possibly do in the zerg one... They may help the terran and toss fight off the hibrid/Xel'naga...but we all know how that would end...
/knife to back

[BlackDefiler]

I think the Zerg will be first, cause there's nothing happening in the galaxy right now and I doubt that the Terrans or the Protoss would make the first offence against Kerrigan, so odds are she will start the plot with some new plan.

[Diege]

what if Kerrigan isn't the main hero for the zerg. What if it's a cerebrate or Duran and she is off in a depression or some kind of mental torture by the psionic energies of the returning xel,naga. then in the terran campaign you save her try to change her but it doesn't work but she redeems herself by sacrificing herself against the xel'naga. I could just see Zerg Kerrigan kickin butt agianst some xel'naga giving Raynor and Zeratul time to retreat.

just an idea!

[BlackDefiler]

I'm simply saying that without the Zerg moving first there won't be any aggression. There's peace at the moment in the sector. It doesn't have to be Kerrigan, it might as well be some cerebrate as well.

I don't think that T and P would attack eachother nor the Zerg first, since they are clearly in a disadvantage after the end of BW.

[Protogod]

what if Kerrigan isn't the main hero for the zerg. What if it's a cerebrate or Duran
According to Blizz, Kerrigan killed off every remaining cerebrate.

[Basan]

Pardon me, but have you seen the Terran campaign GP video at all?
ROFL! Well, Mengsk and Duke still hate Raynor's guts, and likewise. But Raynor and Findlay seemed to be good old buddies. LOL! kthx.

The fact is that Raynor saved Duke and they were enemies at the time. So, it wouldn't be that far fetched that Raynor and Findlay know each other for a while now and that Findlay is thankful to Raynor for saving his arse while he was in a tough situation and at the time was a foe to Raynor.
Nothing in the video you mentioned points in your favour or mine for that matter.

Don't argue just for the sake of arguing. Present some solid basis before even attempting to act fresh towards me. Kthkbye.

[VigilanteV]

i guess the zerg could start out first, they are the most powerful at the moment, or thats what it pionts to being.

[DarkMirror]

Pardon me, but have you seen the Terran campaign GP video at all?
ROFL! Well, Mengsk and Duke still hate Raynor's guts, and likewise. But Raynor and Findlay seemed to be good old buddies. LOL! kthx.

Duke is dead, bolts. Remember True Colors? Duke was permakilled by Kerrigan's backstabbing shenanigans (Fenix too). Sometimes I wonder if you even played the Brood War campaigns.

Your post implied that you still beleived that Duke was alive.

[Diege]

Raynor was the Marshall of Mar Sara he more likely knows Findlay because he put him in prison thats why Raynor tell Matt to keep an Eye on him. They have a mutual respect as enemies but they work together for there own reasons and they both know it.

[sdbolts11]

Your post implied that you still beleived that Duke was alive.
I meant to imply before he died. Don't act stupid and a grammar Nazi. I don't do that with you. W/e, you've proven to be stupid no helping there.
Raynor was the Marshall of Mar Sara he more likely knows Findlay because he put him in prison thats why Raynor tell Matt to keep an Eye on him. They have a mutual respect as enemies but they work together for there own reasons and they both know it.
Where was it said that Findlay was put in prison by Raynor? I can understand on Mar Sara or any Terran planet for that matter, but whoever said Raynor did it.

[Diege]

Dude "More likely" means that in my opinion it is "more likely" that raynor put him in prison which is why they know each other.

Speculation Dude Speculation. Just like Findlay bieng saved by raynor during a fight. Speculation Dude Speculation.

[sdbolts11]

It's a possibility, but I'm not so sure Tychus would like the guy who put him in prison. He could have been... but possibly a Dominion prisoner broke out by Jimmy?
Speculation Dude Speculation. I'm just speculating myself.

Not to be a Grammar Nazi, but:
"Raynor was the Marshall of Mar Sara he more likely knows Findlay because he put him in prison thats why Raynor tell Matt to keep an Eye on him."
You pretty much asserted Raynor put him in prison, not speculated. The "more likely" was referring to him knowing Findlay and he had put him in prison.

[vIsitor]

According to Blizz, Kerrigan killed off every remaining cerebrate.

The way Blizzard worded it, is was more as though all the Cerebrates are dead so far as anyone knows. Its entirely possible that Kerrigan did, indeed, wipe out the Cerebrates for good, but it is implied that something other than Kerrigan is manipulating the swarms, that much is certain.

And Daggoth still remains a loose end with the lore. For all we know he was killed by the UED, but that doesn't seem very likely. If he is dead--and considering recent evidence he probably is--then it stands to reason that he would put a contingency plan in motion before he kicked the bucket. Of course, thats all theory.

---

On another note, did anyone find Blizzard's ambiguous response about Fenix? In all other cases they've been adamant to say that he isn't coming back, but they seem to imply here that they're resurrecting someone. If not Fenix, then who?

[Protogod]

On another note, did anyone find Blizzard's ambiguous response about Fenix? In all other cases they've been adamant to say that he isn't coming back, but they seem to imply here that they're resurrecting someone. If not Fenix, then who?

They've been ambiguous about alot, but yeah, perhaps Fenix is back just to introduce us to the idea of immortals or something.

[DarkMirror]

No, they should ressurect Aldaris. That would be some plot twist.

[Protogod]

No, they should ressurect Aldaris. That would be some plot twist.

I wouldnt mind that, actually. Aldaris was one of my favorite dudes. The only thing I didn't like was hearing him say "you must construct additional pylons" every time I played.

He would be an awesome character to include, given the storyline of DT and HT still not getting along. Or maybe I just miss him too much. :(

[DarkMirror]

Kudos for v1sitor thinking of the idea.

[Ktan]

I wouldnt mind that, actually. Aldaris was one of my favorite dudes. The only thing I didn't like was hearing him say "you must construct additional pylons" every time I played.

He would be an awesome character to include, given the storyline of DT and HT still not getting along. Or maybe I just miss him too much. :(

I've seen a poster somewhere saying they 'recognise the new High Templar model's 'smug mug'

And, from the very mission that HE DIES we know that Aldaris was a slippery bugger. There's no way he'd put himself on the front line like that.

He's more likely to come back than Duke or Fenix.

[Faiien]

Aldaris was a great character but the only thing i disliked about him was his strong hatred for the dark templar. y cant we all just get along

[vIsitor]

Aldaris was an ass, to be sure, but at least he was a sensible guy. After all, he was the only one who realized what Kerrigan was up to (from the very start, even). The very fact that he was disliked so much during the original campaign makes him less suspected to return from the grave, and, therefore, is more likely to be revived because only someone as insane as I am would suspect that sort of a plot twist.

Note that Artanis and Zeratul, being rather in a hurry to eradicate the Zerg on Shakuras, left Aldaris for dead after Kerrigan's back-stabbing antics claimed him. Its entirely possible that one of his Khalai loyalists retreaved his bloody corpse before the Xel'Naga Temple activated.

I suppose they could also resurrect Tassadar, but I don't see how they could in light of the fact that he vaporized himself (along with he Gantrathor) in order to deliver the coup de grace to the Overmind. Not to mention that it would rather ruin the whole 'selfless sacrifice' angle.

Then again, we won't really know until the game comes out now, will we?

[pytum]

wait... so did kerrigan kill all cerebrates?, what happened to the magistrate and the executor?!

did kerrigan know about the "resurrection" of fenix? (from being zealot to goon? if kerrigan didnt know maybe some protoss rescued aldaris and aldaris is in an immortal or something

[DarkMirror]

Yes, kerrigan killed fenix after getting him to help steal minerals.

[Protogod]

wait... so did kerrigan kill all cerebrates?, what happened to the magistrate and the executor?! "as far as we know" yes, she killed all the cerebrates.

When asked about the magistrate and executor Blizz said "They're gone, dead, whatever"

did kerrigan know about the "resurrection" of fenix? (from being zealot to goon? yep, then killed him. if kerrigan didnt know maybe some protoss rescued aldaris and aldaris is in an immortal or something

the only thing is that immortals are -technically- just older dragoons that got extra shileds and guns attached to them.

[TitanWing]

I really want Aldaris back...he was the only Protoss with his wits about him in BW. With the younger Artanis now taking the reins of the Protoss government, he's gonna need SOMEONE with more experience to help out. Since it appears that Zeratul isn't going to be around for a while, Aldaris is the only person left to fill the role.
Aldaris...be reasonable. Kerrigan has changed! She no longer seeks to enslave anyone!
Proof that he needs an experienced backup. The guy's just to naive, and 4 years is nothing when Protoss live to be several hundred (possibly over a thousand) years old.

[reddbeta]

well heres an idea...what if some dead heroes where brought back, but not working for there original sides? What if the Xel'naga raised dead heroes from the Zerg and Protoss (not sure if they'd be able to work with terrans) as well as there armies to do there fighting for them? since they made both races mabye they can rasie them trough some unknown way advanced cloning tech? i can then imagine an epic fight of there heroes of then and now. it also me a last ditch way to bring heros like Tassadar and the overmind back

[TitanWing]

Raising heroes from the dead will be incredibly redundant to do it just ONCE in SC2. It's already happened in SC1 TWICE (Fenix and Stukov).

[Ktan]

if kerrigan didnt know maybe some protoss rescued aldaris and aldaris is in an immortal or something

That's a good point, actually.

Also, I'm sure being in a Dragoon/Immortal/Stalker (:/) would add a great bitter twist to Aldaris' character.

He'd be like House :P

[pytum]

imagine aldaris in a stalker... that would be very disappointing to him because he would be in a machine created by those who he exiled... his proud by the ground...

[reddbeta]

another think i think is going to happen is a Protoss civil war. the tech tree split in half, one half for each side. On one side is the old "auir" style units (Zealots, Immortials, High/light templar, Phoenix) on one side and the "sakurias" style on the other (Dark Templar, Stalker, Warp ray) on the other. if they want to add more flavor to the fight, put the army the player controls in the middle with a goal to stop both sides with out either side loosing buildings for such and such a time

[Kellanved]

^Well they have to find an excuse to make you practice all 9 matchups in the campaigns, lol.

[BlackDefiler]

I hope the Terran campaign will focuse a bit more on fighting aliens than other Terrans. I never liked that terrans were always against other Terrans, while Z and P had only a single leven against themselfs.

[Protogod]

another think i think is going to happen is a Protoss civil war. the tech tree split in half, one half for each side. On one side is the old "auir" style units (Zealots, Immortials, High/light templar, Phoenix) on one side and the "sakurias" style on the other (Dark Templar, Stalker, Warp ray) on the other. if they want to add more flavor to the fight, put the army the player controls in the middle with a goal to stop both sides with out either side loosing buildings for such and such a time

as much of an interesting concept that is, the way you describe it is simply unworkable.

warp rays are a specific example - they were made by combining both light and dark templar energies. They wouldnt work if only used by dark templar. Furthermore, it would be horribly imbalanced, given that the majority of the army still seems to lean towards the light templar.

immos and zealots are two HUGELY important units to the protoss arsenal, not to mention that carriers are also HT tech.

[reddbeta]

well the two side fighting each other would be controlled by the computer, the players role would be to hold them off until some amount of time passes or each side runs out of resources and is forced into to give up. it be a long map with the LT on one side and the DT on the other, the players base in the middle preventing a full scale war of the LT and the DT.

i only said warp rays because they are now the grey color since they are DT tech. as for the other units it was set up so they whould have a ranged/AA unit, a melee and an air unit each side.

[Protogod]

Thats alot like C&C, which has already been compared to sc2 more than enough for my tastes.

[pytum]

so, it might happen that the xel'naga could be as the burning legion from warcraft?, like non-playable race?

i think that i might happen, and aboout the hybrids, i would like to know the role that they could have in the storyline

[reddbeta]

zerg with psyhonic powers and personality? way i see them as the polar opposite of the Zerg, where as there are few of the but the can take a hit and keep going. The Xel'Naga and hybrids would be like Titans, requiring armies just to take out one. if they where any where close to playable then they would have to be tweeked to be a Quailty over quanity race (thats just how i envision them).

[DarkMirror]

No new race. Playable or otherwise. Have them be hero-like units only.

[Protogod]

so, it might happen that the xel'naga could be as the burning legion from warcraft?

Oh god, not this again.

[Kawagata]

I seriously doubt another toss war. Vanilla and BW has already done it to death. A fourth race has not been dismissed yet so it's too early to for the claims. Yuri's race in Yuri's revenge was also pretty interesting. Blizzard may pull one like this. Wait isn't this exactly like that?? The baddies left arm branches off and creates his own race.

[Protogod]

. A fourth race has not been dismissed yet so it's too early to for the claims.
oh no, it has. And it's only been mentioned 100000 times.

[TheRighteous]

I just want to mention. I don't believe that it was ever stated that Fenix died for the first time. I'm under the impression that he was near death and put inside the robotic shell of a Dragoon. As for Aldaris being ressurected I'm all for that. We need someone who is a templar who can handle things. Artanis is young and stupid. Zeratul is a dark one, that says it all.

[BlackDefiler]

I'm under the impression that he was near death and put inside the robotic shell of a Dragoon

Looks like it falls to me to tell you the grim news.

Fenix was killed once more. BW 3:5 True Colors
May Khas embrace His spirit.

[TheRighteous]

Looks like it falls to me to tell you the grim news.

Fenix was killed once more. BW 3:5 True Colors
May Khas embrace His spirit.Dude, what in the name of Christ does first time mean to you? I'm aware of the Events of True Colors. I spawned broodlings on him. I'm just trying to say that I don't believe he was ever ressurected, as he was still alive, albeit near death. Going from Zealot to Dragoon.

[DarkMirror]

Yeah, killing fenix that time was always easy. BROODLINGS FTW!

[vIsitor]

Or, if you were feeling like being a little less cheap, burying lurkers there beforehand was always an effective ambush.

[Giantfish]

Was I the only one that let him die with honor?

I think TheRighteous was right, the Protoss don't reanimate the dead, they just save the mortally wounded.

[DarkMirror]

Yes. Its great to ling rush him with ovies, broodling him, or even just lurker ambush him.

[TitanWing]

I beat him with 12 guardians.

[BlackDefiler]

I beat him with about 70 hydras. :P
Like most of the missions. With T 20 BCs with P 20 Carriers With Z a lot of hydras. The keys to most maps :P

[Basan]

*Ahem* Thread title related, please? ;p

[apostolos]

imagine aldaris in a stalker... that would be very disappointing to him because he would be in a machine created by those who he exiled... his proud by the ground...They wouldn't do that.It is against the storyline we know and loved all these years

[sdbolts11]

Umm... Aldaris was killed...
Anyways, where do people get it from that the Protoss in Dragoons are reincarnated??? They are very badly wounded and then put in the Goon exoskeletons.

[Protogod]

Umm... Aldaris was killed...
We're talking about putting him in a stalker. Lets not derail threads on your first day back. You don't need another "vacation."

[SolidSamurai]

But he got unzerged by Raynor in Resurrection IV level :(
He better come back, he's the most kickass guy. He will easily replace the gay guy in the black uniform that sucks up to Raynor.

The black suit man isn't gay! That's matt fuggin horner for you. And why would Raynor give up his most trusted luetenant for someone he doesn't even (canonically) know? Trust is a lot more important than smarts potential. A lot of people fail to see that, which is why you see people getting screwed over in the movies all the time due to some dramatic conspiracy or another.

[Kawagata]

...
senority over ability?
bad idea.
a person who you've known better shouldn't get a job because of it. the best person qualified should.

[sdbolts11]

Yup, and that's Stukov :D. Horner is simply the captain of the Hyperion, but Stukov is an outstanding general and can lead forces very well, better than anyone. Looking back at WW2 history, makes me think of Rommel or Zhukov.

[TitanWing]

We all know WHO Stukov is, the point is, he's not going to get the job for the following reasons:

1. Blizzard is already unsure if they will put Stukov be in the game at all
2. Raynor trusts Horner, they've worked together for a while
3. Raynor doesn't know Stukov very well and they were enemies in the past
4. Stukov doesn't seem like the type of guy who wants to hang around a bunch of undisciplined and rowdy pirates/mercenaries

[Faiien]

nt
i would like to bring in to this discussion this picture, yes it could be just a concept art but it could also reveal plots about the protoss single player campaign. i forgot who, but didnt one of the protoss leaders leave to explore the universe? mayb this is him, mayb he has just discovered one of the old "ones" whoever "they" are but w/e it is it looks wise in a way and also stunningly scary lol
or mayb its you know who, starts with a x ends with an a
opinions?
http://www.starcraft2.com/images/artwork/ss43-hires.jpg

[Skullflower]

They already revealed the plot of the Protoss campaign. Thats Zeratul and it looks like theres a coffin on an altar at the end of the path.

[TitanWing]

Not so much revealed the plot as much as gave us a picture that could mean anything.

[Skullflower]

And the Protoss Campaign. Where we're going to start talking about the Mystery Of The Xel'Naga.

They revealed the basic premise of what the Protoss campaign is going to deal with.

[pytum]

hey... nice picture... and scary for me :P protoss souls...

[Faiien]

this picture certainly excites me for the protoss campaign. i cant wait to see the plots and twists. but one complaint i do have is for the visuals of the game...does anyone other than me think the 3-d model of jim seems chunky? O_O i like the art where he looks old but experienced but the model seems like a meathead O_O lol or mayb iam on drugs...lol

[TitanWing]

A lot of people think Raynor changed a bit too drastically.

[Faiien]

indeed, i mean ok hair i understand, but now he looks RIPPED lol. did being a rebel give him the muscles of an ironman or something? o_o

[Protogod]

I don't mind it, EXCEPT THE VOICE. I want the original Raynor voice. Period.

[TitanWing]

indeed, i mean ok hair i understand, but now he looks RIPPED lol. did being a rebel give him the muscles of an ironman or something? o_oRemember what I said about being stuck on a ship and pushups? :P
I don't mind it, EXCEPT THE VOICE. I want the original Raynor voice. Period.
I hear several of the old voices are coming back. Including Zeratul.

[Protogod]

Yes, but the problem is that Raynor's voice is up for grabs. The original actor has volunteered to play Raynor, however another actor has volunteeered, and "Better fits the original intent for Raynor's voice."

The debate is what blizzard wants vs what gamers expect

[TitanWing]

Which ought to be:

Gamers want = Blizzard makes

Which is what their doing, but they need to realize that they don't need to ruin SC2 for the SC1 fans like ourselves to sell big.

[Faiien]

Gamers want = Blizzard makes
but they need to realize that they don't need to ruin SC2 for the SC1 fans like ourselves to sell big./agreed stick to the concept, but make changes for the better, i for one liked the old voices, the old voice actors made me actually wanna watch that lil square with a picture moving back and forth in it.

[TitanWing]

Haha, yeah.

Having the old voice actors back would be a big plus.

[Faiien]

btw i want this jim raynor (http://www.starcraft2.com/art.xml?s=35) not this one (http://limitedgaming.com/files/18/archive/screens/ss63.jpg) and i want him (http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/699/) to be the voice actor for jim raynor, geez is that too much to ask lol

[sdbolts11]

Remember what I said about being stuck on a ship and pushups? :P

I hear several of the old voices are coming back. Including Zeratul.
Remember what I wrote in the Raynor + Hair thread???
btw i want this jim raynor (http://www.starcraft2.com/art.xml?s=35) not this one (http://limitedgaming.com/files/18/archive/screens/ss63.jpg) and i want him (http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/699/) to be the voice actor for jim raynor, geez is that too much to ask lol
Exactly what I said in the Raynor + Hair thread :D. Good job.

[TitanWing]

Fyi, this isn't the Raynor + Hair thread. It's the New Storyline Thread.

[Kawagata]

I'm also hoping that in the opening cinematics it says, In the year ____, where cosmetics advancements are at an all time high.

[sdbolts11]

Yup LOL! That would be a good idea. Raynor went through major plastic surgery, major hair make-over, major steroid use, etc.

[TitanWing]

How do we know he wasn't buff from SC1? All you see is his head.

[Kawagata]

Well he had no cheek bones. Body fat is distrubuted throughout the body. Doing situps build muscle but doesn't get rid of fat in that particular area.

[pytum]

was raynor blonde?? or the use of stim packs made things in his body? :P

[TitanWing]

Raynor had a shaved head. He wasn't bald, and I doubt he was blonde.

[sdbolts11]

Blonde? His hair looked to me like a light reddish-brownish.

[Skullflower]

This is the stupidest thing to go on bitching about. Who cares if he has hair now? Who cares if he looks buff?

[Kawagata]

Would you like it if he came back as a girl?
Who cares if he's a girl now.
Who care if he has boobs.

It's incredibly weird to go through so much cosmetic.

[Eivind]

Wait, Harry Shearer is the Science Vessel? That is cool.

[Kawagata]

he was always the sci vessel..

[vIsitor]

The Thor's description on the official SC2 page makes me wonder what sort of role the Umojans will be playing in our favorite sequel. It had previously been confirmed that they would be an active force in the StarCraft universe (along with the Kel-Morian Combine), which is nice, since they never had so much as a cameo appearance in SC-BW (although the Combine made a single appearance in BW).

The question remains, however, as to exactly what they are going to do. We know they hold the Protoss in high esteem, even though it seems that they have never dealt with each-other directly. Perhaps they will be attempting to study the Xel'Naga artifacts? In any case, they could be either friends or foes to our favorite ex-Confederate Marshal.

[TitanWing]

From the campaign demo, it seems like the Morians are fine with Raynor as long as he helps them kill Zerg.

[sdbolts11]

The Thor's description on the official SC2 page makes me wonder what sort of role the Umojans will be playing in our favorite sequel. It had previously been confirmed that they would be an active force in the StarCraft universe (along with the Kel-Morian Combine), which is nice, since they never had so much as a cameo appearance in SC-BW (although the Combine made a single appearance in BW).

The question remains, however, as to exactly what they are going to do. We know they hold the Protoss in high esteem, even though it seems that they have never dealt with each-other directly. Perhaps they will be attempting to study the Xel'Naga artifacts? In any case, they could be either friends or foes to our favorite ex-Confederate Marshal.
Well, a theory about that Umojans' response is that Thor goes into mass production, Umojans just sit back and suck their thumbs, not doing anything to piss of the Dominion.

[TitanWing]

The "Mobius Foundation" may be the Umojans...or Duran. So the part about the Xel'Naga artifacts does have some credibility.

[Basan]

The Thor's description on the official SC2 page makes me wonder what sort of role the Umojans will be playing in our favorite sequel. It had previously been confirmed that they would be an active force in the StarCraft universe (along with the Kel-Morian Combine), which is nice, since they never had so much as a cameo appearance in SC-BW (although the Combine made a single appearance in BW).

The question remains, however, as to exactly what they are going to do. We know they hold the Protoss in high esteem, even though it seems that they have never dealt with each-other directly. Perhaps they will be attempting to study the Xel'Naga artifacts? In any case, they could be either friends or foes to our favorite ex-Confederate Marshal.

It's my opinion that Raynor will save their asses in some front against Mengsk's empire and, at worst scenario possible, they'll have a brief alliance. If it breaks up due to their abusive exploration to Xel'Naga artefacts and related 'Toss retaliation, that we'll have to wait and see. :)

[ChimTheGrim21]

damn... i dislike that thing about buy units and stuff... whats happening with blizz!!

and... why is tychus with raynor???...

ktan you forgot the medic icon :cool:

Please, spare us. You barely know anything about the game, yet you're already acting like it's not going to be good. I know Blizzard isn't going to just blindly create some campaign that isn't worth playing.

[qwertyuiop106]

Why is Tychus with Raynor?

Why is the sky blue?

Why do toenails grow?

Why does ten times ten equal one-hundred?

Why do we have vocal cords?

Why is the Jupiter a gas giant?

Stop asking retarded questions.

Just, just please, spare us these idiocies. Do you think that Blizzard would just tack Tychus on to the game without giving us an exact idea as to why he's there?

Wait till the game is out, or until they can release their information. How many of us are Blizzard employees? And if we were, how many of us would risk our jobs to answer it when it's a no-go from Blizzard?

[TitanWing]

Why does ten times ten equal ten?
Actually, I think that's a very good question.

[Thedutchjelle]

Shush, point made, but he's no math genius

[qwertyuiop106]

Dammit. -_-

Typing a little too fast there to realize the mistake I made.

-_-

[TitanWing]

Yes, point made.

I get just as sick of people asking those questions like "when is SC2 gonna come out?".

[Thedutchjelle]

Yes, point made.

I get just as sick of people asking those questions like "when is SC2 gonna come out?".

Do you know?

Hey, do you know if there are marines in SCII?

[sdbolts11]

Well, just a matter of waiting for a release date now, hopefully when Zerg are exhibited. My greatest concern is that SC2 could possibly drop into development hell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_hell) for some time. Seeing how the game had commenced initial development since as early as 2003, I have hope that it will be released some time next summer, although that is just my wish.

[Protogod]

Jumpstart;

What do we all think of Tychus Findlay and his motives?

Cuz I personally -want- to trust him because of how Raynor and him know each other, but somehow I just know better. It feels like i've learned about characters in SC1, even though they havent made an appearance yet.

He just seems to fit an archetype of betrayer, the way I see it.

[vIsitor]

Ah, yes, but how do you know that isn't what Blizzard wants you to think; to make you suspect Tychus Findlay instead of the true enemy?

I'm sure that during your first play-through of SC1 you expected Duke to stab you in the back, not Mengsk particularly; that that shifty Cerebrate Zasz would try to undermine Kerrigan, instead of getting off'ed by Zeratul; that Aldaris really was revisiting old prejudices, not trying trying to unravel Kerrigan's web of deceit; that Duran really was Kerrigan's pawn, a traitor to the Dominion and the UED, not a servant of an ancient power;
etc. Tychus is a planned distraction, who will take attention away from activity of betrayal, until it strikes from the one whom you least expect it from. Thats where the plot really thickens: not when such twists come at you head-on, but when the come at you sideways, and you are left utterly unprepared.

No; Tychus is up to something, certainly, but I greatly doubt it is betrayal. It might pay off to keep tabs on him, however.

[Thedutchjelle]

Ah, yes, but how do you know that isn't what Blizzard wants you to think; to make you suspect Tychus Findlay instead of the true enemy?

Woah, now that made me lol

[sdbolts11]

I really doubt that Tychus will be betraying Jimmy. He doesn't like the Dominion, he's just a rebel along with Raynor.

[TitanWing]

You have no proof to back ANY of that up.

[Faiien]

hmmm /agreed with titan
remember in the vid when tychus just dissapeared?and jimmy told that one guy to keep an eye on tychus

[Thedutchjelle]

hmmm /agreed with titan
remember in the vid when tychus just dissapeared?and jimmy told that one guy to keep an eye on tychus

Maybe that was meant more as in 'A rough marine walking around in the bridge of a Battlecruiser with advanced computers and sensitive stuff is a bad idea'

[Diege]

The fact that Matt said Tychus "had to pee." Doesn't give it away? I'm telling you they have a Ex-Cop Ex-Prisoner kinda mentality. They were on opossite sides and are thrust together. Neither one really trusts the other they just kinda respect each other.

On a side note. What if Tychus betrays Jim to the Swarm for Kerrigan and he gets turned into the "King of Blades"? Just an off the wall crazy idea.

[sdbolts11]

hmmm /agreed with titan
remember in the vid when tychus just dissapeared?and jimmy told that one guy to keep an eye on tychus
Does it really matter that Findlay just walks around the ship? If he tries anything stupid, Raynor and his crew will get him right away.

[TitanWing]

Yeah...unless he planted a nuke in the bathroom...remote activated by the flush.

What Jimmy gonna do if he doesn't figure out he's being sabotaged before he has to take a dump?

On a more serious note, nothing you say makes any headway toward either side, there's simply NO info on this.

[Ktan]

On a side note. What if Tychus betrays Jim to the Swarm for Kerrigan and he gets turned into the "King of Blades"? Just an off the wall crazy idea.

Sounds a bit too cheesy.

Would be quite a twist though.

[Starcraft4ever]

This is totally random, but I think it would be cool if they incorperated Michael Liberty into the Terran campaign. (He's from the Starcraft series of books.) He's a reporter and ends up reporting against Menghis.

[Protogod]

I'd like to see some kind of cohesiveness between the books and SC2. However, I don't want SC2 to end up being "Liberty's Crusade: The game"

[GroG]

So I was catching up on the new information at Starcraft2.com, and I read in the ghost unit section about the implants that ghosts get in their brains to control them so they can't go rogue. I also was remembering a previous article I had read about Kerrigan and the Zerg not attacking anyone, just sitting there doing nothing for the last 4 years.

Do you think it's possible that Mengsk could be controlling Kerrigan through one of those implants and that's why she hasn't attacked? Or are the implants newer since the Broodwars?

If it is true, it would perfectly fit the scheming, conniving ways that Mengsk conducts his backstabbing.

Just a thought.

[Skullflower]

Pretty sure she had the implants removed so she could expand her powers. Isn't that why they boarded the Amerigo?

[DarkMirror]

Yeah. She boarded it to learn how to remove/deactivate them. Thats why she became so powerful.

[Starcraft4ever]

I'd like to see some kind of cohesiveness between the books and SC2. However, I don't want SC2 to end up being "Liberty's Crusade: The game"

Well yes, definately wouldn't want that. It would end up being like "protect Liberty" in every mission. No, I'm just saying like have him actually appear at least in the game. At least in the briefing room before a mission or two. There's a lot they could do with Liberty, they just haven't as of yet.

[Thedutchjelle]

I really don't want ANYTHING from the books being put in -- Lots of people haven't read the books, and despite their 'Sold everywhere where books are sold' crap ads, i haven't seen one my entire life.

And from what little i know from the books, they don't seem so SCish. But i could be wrong.

[Starcraft4ever]

I really don't want ANYTHING from the books being put in -- Lots of people haven't read the books, and despite their 'Sold everywhere where books are sold' crap ads, i haven't seen one my entire life.

And from what little i know from the books, they don't seem so SCish. But i could be wrong.

Yes, it's true it's very hard to find the books in a store. My store had them because the local bookstore stocks for the local "nerd" population, which supplies a large amount of their business.

The one real reason I would love to see Liberty put into the Terran campaign is because it would show some of the politcal stuff that is going on at the same time as the real action. A more "human" side of the action you might say.

[masterofhobbiton]

Nah, he wasn't such a great character. They just tossed him into the terran campaign next to raynor and acted like he was there all along; if he wasn't in SC1 he shouldn't be in SC2 I think.

[Starcraft4ever]

Yeah, I guess I can see how that would confuse the heck out of people.

[Basan]

Quite frankly, I don't want the SC2 plot to be even remotely driven by/linked to the SC books (as 'Dutch already stated). Those are many times are lacking coherency in their storyline and lore canon and make up some fart fetched twists just for the heck of it, hence my general disliking for the quick buck catch that it's usually attempted with'em. :P

[Starcraft4ever]

Yeah I see you're point.

[Mr.Bad]

Although I love'd the books, and do consider them cannon, I agree in that they should not be a part of the SC2 storyline, nor should the SC2 storyline follow the characters from any of the books.

[Faiien]

Although I love'd the books, and do consider them cannon, I agree in that they should not be a part of the SC2 storyline, nor should the SC2 storyline follow the characters from any of the books.yea id rather the storyline be a surprise rather than something i could get from a book.

[Snot]

Copy and paste this Evan... ..l.. -_- ..l..

I'm sorry I work for a living, and I can't sit on the SC2 site all day long and fill my head with the information of minute by minute updates like you can Proto. And the next time you wish to "TRY" and reem me a new ass, make sure you at least stay on topic. I was expressing my feelings towards the matter of how the Storyline and other facts should hopefully expand.

You simpley took what I had to say and said some meaningless bull to try and degrade myself, and what I wrote.

So Evan, Proto, get off your high horse, your soapbox, or even get out of your closet. And stfu and let me express my views as the SC2 uneducated man that I am.

[Thedutchjelle]

Oh god please let it be an RPG.
Snot going rampage against Blizzard is worth it, even if he slaughters their entire development department.

If they manage the RPG style good,i don't mind. It adds replay value to the SP campaign, and gives you actually some powarz in the whole story, not just the guy who's sitting on the bench during the briefings, waiting until he gets adressed.

[Protogod]

The original SC and BW storylines were each connected through events, and people, and flowed smoothly from one mission to the next... with the help of still kick ass cinimas. SC2 should be no freaking different.
I apologize if a more interactive briefing menu is ebil. I see no reason that it can't be 100% intriguing.

And as you all may know, SC and BW was intended to bring the Zerg to power, from it's start, to the end where QoB made her little speach Errrrr..... SC was made to bring the zerg up to power. BW was designed to showcase the UED and Kerrigan's personal story/influence. and SC2 is intended to bring the Protoss up to that stature Completely unsubstantiated blurb expressed as truth. Please don't do that in the future. Thank you. So it didn't surprise me when most of the new units went to Protoss and a few to Zerg. If you'd bothered to read any interviews with the art panel, you'd know the protoss were chosen because they had a perfect balance of familiarity (like the terrans) and yet an exotic "omgcool" feel (like the zerg.) The decision to release primarily protoss info for the beginning was a ploy to satiate the lowest common denominator.
Terrans are probably gonna be the least favourite choice to play in the future. They are currently the most flexible and offensive-seeming race. I don't see why they would be weak and/or unpopular, especially given that they are currently the most popular race among pros.

Anyway, if they tray and pull that Rpg bs, I'm flipping out. Just a warning.

A warning? You're warning us? Get off your soapbox. There are more than enough real problems in SC2 gameplay to consider, instead of making up your own incorrect, and in some cases, simply immaterial arguments.

[Redhead267]

Yeah. She boarded it to learn how to remove/deactivate them. Thats why she became so powerful.

Yeah, plus, if Mengsk was controlling her, then why would he make her attack him after he took over Korhal in BW?

I hope SC2 doesn't end up where all of a sudden they all team up and kill the hybrids and act like they're all best friends. That'd be gay. I also hope it doesn't copy BW where they team up, then Kerrigan stabs them in the back again. I have a feeling that Earth will come in and screw everything up again, just a feeling tho...

[KomradRed]

Um, I am new to these forums, but

Whatever happened to the Magistrate you played as in the Vanilla Campaign, and the Executor you play in both Protoss campaigns for that matter. I mean, I find it hard to believe that Artanis was the Executor, because in the beginning of the vanilla campaign you fight with Fenix and Fenix treats you like an old friend, but when Artanis is introduced Fenix is like "whateva kind". Also, you are the same guy in both Campaigns, so how could you be Artanis the Praetor if you are the Executor at the same time? I just wish theyd make this Uber-Badass character for the Executor, someone who was good buddies with all the Protoss heroes and Raynor is off helping Zeratul or maybe fulfilling his own agenda?

[DarkMirror]

Its already been said by blizz, their dead.

[TitanWing]

There's a new Executor in SC2. I forget HER name, though. As for the Magistrate/Commander, he's most likely dead.

[KomradRed]

Really, when did Blizzard say they were dead?

[DarkMirror]

A while ago.

[KomradRed]

That is so gay, oh well. I'll still hold out hope that you are wrong and there will be the 1/10000000000 chance they will turn the Magistrate and Executor into characters.

Anyway, I really hope Starcraft doesnt have some grand, super climactic ending in a Tolkienish fashion (Toss and terrans band together, kill the zerg, Xel Naga sail off to Kalimdor). I just really hope the story is as good as Starcraft's story.

[TitanWing]

That is so gay, oh well. I'll still hold out hope that you are wrong and there will be the 1/10000000000 chance they will turn the Magistrate and Executor into characters.
Don't live in ignorance, accept the truth and move on.

[KomradRed]

Which video are you guys talking about where you see raynor and Matt Horner, Ive only seen the Gameplay demo one.

[WhatIsStarcraft]

I thought Matt Horner was the Magistrate, well well.

Artanis wasn't and isn't the Executor.

[DarkMirror]

He was in SC vanilla.

[Protogod]

I thought Matt Horner was the Magistrate, well well.

He isnt.
He was in SC vanilla.
He wasnt.

[DarkMirror]

Yeah, its been stated that Artanis was the Exectutor you played as in the SC vanilla game.

[Protogod]

Yeah, its been stated that Artanis was the Exectutor you played as in the SC vanilla game.

Links or it didn't happen.

[Ktan]

I believe it was in one of the books, but I haven't read it and I don't know of any links myself. I think Insane Executor at SC.org was the one who told us about it first.

[KomradRed]

THats so stupid though, you are the same Executor in both missions. And even if Artanis is the Executor in the first, who are you in Brood War?

[DarkMirror]

Some new guy. You are totally not the same guy in both.

[TitanWing]

No...I'm pretty confident that you're the same Executor in BW and Vanilla. Even if you aren't, there ISN'T A CHANCE IN HELL you're Artanis. Artanis was an unqualified nobody who got the rank because everyone who SHOULD'VE taken his position died on Aiur.

[DarkMirror]

I'm positive that a bunch of people agree with me on this. Its in one of the books apparently. Again, this is just what I heard, but it makes a bit of sense.

[TitanWing]

I still say it's absolute bs, but w/e.

Here's your new Executor!
http://starcraft2.com/art.xml?s=52

Congrats to Blizzard for making a feminine alien without massive breasts.

[Mr.Bad]

Bah, increase the chest size.

lol, yeah, congrats. And frankly, even without them, that's one sexy protoss.

[Protogod]

Congrats to Blizzard for making a feminine alien without massive breasts.

Need more tah-tahs!

[TitanWing]

Meh, just bring back Nova if you need to gawk.

[DarkMirror]

That IS kickass. I find it nice that they stayed with the extra nerve cord thing that happened with Razzy.

[KomradRed]

She seems like a Protoss Kerrigan, just so badass that you just got to like it.

[Thedutchjelle]

Here's your new Executor!
http://starcraft2.com/art.xml?s=52

Congrats to Blizzard for making a feminine alien without massive breasts.

Agreed, and she looks pretty cool to.

[Ktan]

Bah, increase the chest size.


Anatomically, it would make no sense for Protoss women to have mammary glands.

Now, just do yourself a favour and just google image search 'Lucy Pinder' instead, or something, plzthx.

[Mr.Bad]

Uh, you know I was joking...right?

[KomradRed]

Did anyone else read that Q&A interview with Metzen thing?

[Diege]

"Yet, what Jake discovers beneath Aiur is a horror beyond his wildest nightmares -- Ulrezaj -- an archon comprised of the seven most deadly and powerful dark templar in history...."
Dark Templar Saga: Shadow Hunters Book 2