About the thor

[pytum]

talk about the thor, say your points of view about if thor has to stay or to leave

[apostolos]

Yes.It's a good unit,it can attack everything and it's balanced.

btw,you enjoy making polls pytum,don't you.

[pytum]

btw,you enjoy making polls pytum,don't you.

well a lil bit :cool:... since this unit is very discussed i thought that this poll will be ok...:smirk:

[DarkMirror]

Thor is the worst thing ever made.

[Ktan]

This will actually be a really good thread, so long as people qualify their opinions

One or two "It sux!" or "It rox!" posts can be expected, but if it becomes the case that every post is like this, I'm going to nuke the thread.

It's such a contentious talking point that I think this thread has good potential, so long as it's all kept civil

[3Vee]

I dislike the Thor. As a non-Terran player, I think it has potential as a Goliath replacement or upgrade, but needs seriously nerfed (Terran already has 124567 units with large range... okay, they have the Tank, the Ghost/nuke). When I'm playing Terran, I'd never use it as is: it's pretty much redundant (although maybe it's cheaper for some situations than a Tank/Cobra set-up) and vulnerable to decent micro, which means I'd have to pay too much attention to it.

Taking that into consideration, and trying to be balanced, here's what I think:

It's a great concept in one way, and it totally fits the normal human mentality. Four years ago, game-time, we had the Goliath, which is a great unit. So let's make it even bigger, add more guns, give it better weapons, and hope like hell that it can survive the whole less mobility thing.

As far as gameplay, I think it's doomed to failure - possibly if it's nerfed and chopped down to size, that could save it. It's either going to be slightly overpowered - and then Terrans can just keep it in the middle of their siege, kind of like an AoE trebuchet - or the immobility is going to make it far too easy to blitz-kill, and nobody will want to build them.

Another problem is that the Terran now has three units that could potentially be balanced to be a Goliath replacement: Viking, Cobra, and Thor. The Viking is the most likely candidate, since it's obviously designed for versatile deployment, and especially for anti-air work. The Cobra seems to be much lighter, and a sort of Vulture/Goliath cross concept. The Thor is currently just too big and unwieldy to fit the role.

[bobboy]

I think the thor, along with the viking, are honestly just good units to fuck around with. I know I'll be playing with the viking a while, calling it a transformer. I see that K'tan enjoyed the Transformers movie (side note)

lol

[Protogod]

Thor is the worst thing ever made.
And any intelligent person will agree.

Yes.It's a good unit,it can attack everything and it's balanced.
Aside from what already seems to be an imba, you sound pretty retarded. Its not all that balanced, its completely overpowered, and its alreasdy being called the terran mothership.

No, are you kidding me?

This will actually be a really good thread, so long as people qualify their opinions
There is NO justification to support the thor. Sorry ktan, this thread crashes and burns.
I dislike the Thor. As a non-Terran player, I think it has potential as a Goliath replacement or upgrade, but needs seriously nerfed (Terran already has 124567 units with large range... okay, they have the Tank, the Ghost/nuke). When I'm playing Terran, I'd never use it as is: it's pretty much redundant (although maybe it's cheaper for some situations than a Tank/Cobra set-up) and vulnerable to decent micro, which means I'd have to pay too much attention to it. yes. Its redundant, not wanted, not needed, and just a behemoth for little noobs to race to.

It's a great concept in one way, and it totally fits the normal human mentality. Four years ago, game-time, we had the Goliath, which is a great unit. So let's make it even bigger, add more guns, give it better weapons, and hope like hell that it can survive the whole less mobility thing.
Yes, but that totally infringes on the protoss terf, and blizzard is supposed to be making the races diverse. We dont need a Mothership for every race. Whats next, a superlisk?
As far as gameplay, I think it's doomed to failure - possibly if it's nerfed and chopped down to size, that could save it. It's either going to be slightly overpowered - and then Terrans can just keep it in the middle of their siege, kind of like an AoE trebuchet - or the immobility is going to make it far too easy to blitz-kill, and nobody will want to build them. you forget noobs.

Another problem is that the Terran now has three units that could potentially be balanced to be a Goliath replacement: Viking, Cobra, and Thor. The Viking is the most likely candidate, since it's obviously designed for versatile deployment, and especially for anti-air work. The Cobra seems to be much lighter, and a sort of Vulture/Goliath cross concept. The Thor is currently just too big and unwieldy to fit the role. Indeed.

[Ktan]

There is NO justification to support the thor. Sorry ktan, this thread crashes and burns.


Truth be told, I just wanted to see some intellectual pot-shots at the Thor (:P) and see if anyone could come up with an intelligent counter.

Even if the thread does turn one sided, as long as the posts are still of a decent quality, I'm ok with it.

[TitanWing]

Thor fails for the following reasons:

1. Redundant. It merely copies the role of the siege tank but with uber firepower at the expense of everything else that was good about the tank.
2. Powerfully weak. Sure, it's got a hella load of firepower, but all decent players have good micro and with the Thor's mobility problem, it's obsolete.
3. Fits, but doesn't. Yes, it makes sense that humans would build such machines in the future for war purposes. However, in SC, the Protoss claim the position of high cost and high durability. The Terrans are supposed to be versatile, how the fuck is the Thor versatile? It just sits there and shoots until it dies, no micro, few uses outside cannon fodder.
4. Appearance. The unit itself looks horrible.

[InfestedKay]

Ups:
Sounds like it could be pretty badass in an RPG-style setting
Powerful
When backed up by a good army, it will mean "GG no re" against most any player
Unique; builds unlike any unit (so far)
Whole new meaning to "fast tech" :D
Downs:
Overpowered, yet weak
Probably gonna cost a shitload/take a long time/only one
Gonna be a "noob strat"
Looks like dog shit to be honest

[West]

uh.. what is the Thor?

[InfestedKay]

uh.. what is the Thor?
Picture: http://limitedgaming.com/files/18/76189280al3.jpg
Details: - Thor: His special ability is to perform an artillery strike: He uses his four cannons on his back to fire long-ranged projectiles. He is helpless against air-strikes and he is very slow. He can be killed by a few cobras cause he turns slowly.
(Taken from http://www.sc2armory.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=268)

[sdbolts11]

The Thor is obviously crap when alone. So are most units. It's like only using lings when the Terran has M&M or even more dreadful to lings, MFM. Obviously, bringing other units along for the ride would make it very powerful. The Thor would be more of the support type, but a really powerful one at that. Not vital, but would really screw up your opponent more with all the firepower. BTW, the fact that it can't attack air would possibly lower the price than you would think. I think overall, it is a kick ass unit.

[ecyor0]

It'll also mean that not all Terran players (n00b or otherwise) will rush Battlecruisers and attack en masse. n00bs especially will just think "get the biggest, baddest unit the Terrans have" and thus will be forced to develop their strategy to use the Thor effectively, turning them into ex-n00bs (or something....)

[sdbolts11]

Correct. Remember, the BC has a new ability that bombs the ground like crazy. That will truly devastated any anti-air ground units/structures. However, those who use the Thor with support units, and use them to support their armies with uber shellage and havoc will use them well. Their regular weapons I bet are really powerful, but I can just imagine the artilery strike raining down on a base or army xD

[Basan]

My opinion (http://www.warboards.org/showpost.php?p=503410&postcount=788) on the Thor remains.
That and at 1st glance the only usage I can see for'em is the slow, encroaching pushes similar to Tanks and Turrets. But this time it could even get worse since they told (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=2&cId=3161564) that Thors have weapons to fire both air and ground. That, with a quick firing unit for support they could just slice n' dice most foes like a cheese grinder.

Yeah, you can tell that ain't exactly fond of it's conceptual idea. :P

[sdbolts11]

Ooo. Thank you Basan a lot. "The Thor has the ability to attack both air and ground forces." Wo, That sounds good. You're right Basan, with other units, they can slice 'n' dice the enemy :D

[Basan]

Ooo. Thank you Basan a lot. "The Thor has the ability to attack both air and ground forces." Wo, That sounds good. You're right Basan, with other units, they can slice 'n' dice the enemy :D

Which screams "imba" from every pour it has. :mad:

[pytum]

n00bs especially will just think "get the biggest, baddest unit the Terrans have" and thus will be forced to develop their strategy to use the Thor effectively, turning them into ex-n00bs (or something....)

yeah... i agree.. maybe easy victories?? lol

But this time it could even get worse since they told (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=2&cId=3161564) that Thors have weapons to fire both air and ground.

imagine an attack equivalent of a tank directed to air units... i hope that the thor doesnt come with aoe damage.

[pandut]

it is ballnced and it is kool, but overall i find it retarted, its pretty much instant victory on legs if used correctly :/

[TitanWing]

It's balanced? You've played the game? <.<

[sdbolts11]

Nah. It has its balance issues. Major anti-ground and air power and uber pwnage. Not the most balanced thing I've seen :/. And pandut, you have played SC2 already, even though they're still in Beta?

[SuiCidAl-KiSmEt]

It's cool that they added this mech. In screen shots at Blizzard.com, it shows the Colossus is practically the god of death to infantry and maybe light vehicles. The Protoss, with the hit and run fightin' Stalkers, it just seems that many Terran units will be too vulnerable to take a hit. With this thing's massive fire power and armor, I think this would be an ideal support unit that could help an offensive attack on a base. Overall, this unit has its own unique role then most of the other units in the game... A strong mobile meat shield and base dominator. The Terrans might need something like this.

Maybe I see too much potential or I'm too positive, anywho...

[sdbolts11]

It's cool that they added this mech. In screen shots at Blizzard.com, it shows the Colossus is practically the god of death to infantry and maybe light vehicles. The Protoss, with the hit and run fightin' Stalkers, it just seems that many Terran units will be too vulnerable to take a hit. With this thing's massive fire power and armor, I think this would be an ideal support unit that could help an offensive attack on a base. Overall, this unit has its own unique role then most of the other units in the game... A strong mobile meat shield and base dominator. The Terrans might need something like this.

Maybe I see too much potential or I'm too positive, anywho...
Very good Suicidal. However, concerning the bold face text, Titan would beg to differ. He says that the Thor's role is already taken by the Siege Tank. Can Siege Tank attack air though? :smirk: In any case, the Thor is a powerful heavy unit and would boundlessly contribute to an army. Also, the BC is getting an upgrade. Some ability that does huge Area of Effect damage to ground units. Nonetheless, the Thor will be a powerful commodity in the Terran arsenal.

[Artanis186]

I must say... I believe the Thor should actually be kept, Every race should have its own mega unit (like the Protoss mothership thing) and the Thor seems to be the Terrans, just think of what the Zerg's mega will be *shutters*

[Faiien]

I must say... I believe the Thor should actually be kept, Every race should have its own mega unit (like the Protoss mothership thing) and the Thor seems to be the Terrans, just think of what the Zerg's mega will be *shutters*

this has already been noted. the only race with a "superunit" should be the protoss this is the devs way of keeping the 3 races diverse and special in their own way, i guess my point is, no each race should not have a superunit,

[Basan]

Alas, apparently no one is thinking about the larger picture here. A couple of Thors and (Radar n' Sensor) Domes built and it can do a nice push and pummel almost anything before it even gets into it's attacking range to fight back. This is the newest version of the Turret + Tank push but only harder to beat I'd say.

It may not be a super unit but that currently it's pretty much close to that, of that I don't have a doubt.

[Protogod]

He says that the Thor's role is already taken by the Siege Tank. Can Siege Tank attack air though? :smirk: .
But is Thor's air attack as strong as his ground? Probably not, so stfu about stuff beyond you. You cant even win a match in sc1, and you'r e in here talking about balance and usefulness.

You just think it looks cool, and want T to dominate so you can actually win a goddamned match for once. And dont even deny that, cuz anyone who's seen you on bnet will know its true.

How the fuck is a powerful base dominator NOT taken by the terran? I mean, ffs, siege tank already did more damage than an archon, and were a hell of a lot cheaper.

& how would Racing to a thor make them "ex-noobs" wtf? that doesnt make sense. So are you telling me that when noobs make a half-assed strat about 100 BC's that they are now ex-noobs? NO , IT MEANS THEY ARE NOOBS. How the FUCK can you even say that rushing to Thor will make them ex-noobs? Are you autistic?

I mean ffs, this thread and its 9 Warcraft players (im assuming you guys play warcraft, since real sc players would be sick to their stomachs at this monstrosity) are a testament to the ignorance on this forum. I am happy, at least, that common sense has yet prevailed in a 13-9 vote.

& who the hell called it balanced? The games not even out yet ffs, and its already pretty clearly imbalanced in theorycraft.

[TitanWing]

+rep to Proto.

Most of the "reasons" in support of the Thor make me sick that so many players want to ruin SC by making it am UBERMASSIVEMEGAMECHBATLLE! The only person here who gave any decent reasons in support of the Thor was Kismet (I wouldn't expect him not too ;)).

[DarkMirror]

I have decided that i do like the idea of a massive mech. However, it will take two things to actualy not make me puke.

1)Looks better than the thor.
2)Is more unique. Make it have reaver speed, and fire chainguns and shells. Give it a spell that has a long wait time where it fires an AoE shell barage, simmilar to 4 ST at the same time, but a bit better. Make it have to build these, and make them expensive. Hive it a few rockets vs. air and it might actualy be good.

[TitanWing]

It will only take one very simple thing to not make me puke: no Thor.

[DarkMirror]

Ithink that they could pull it off, but it would need some changes to mke it not be the thor.

If they did something a better than the thor, but a similar concept, I might like it.

Kind of like a terran reaver.

[TitanWing]

Well, how's that unique?

[Kellanved]

I voted 'no', but that's because I don't like a ground unit with such low mobility. The only thing in SC1 like that was the reaver, but it could be picked up easily which made it great. If the Thor can't be built inside a building, then no doubt a dropship can't take it. I also hate the fact that it can't turn fast enough to respond to ranged attacks from behind.

However, one use of the Thor that I definately do see is on an attack; you bring SCVs and while holding the enemy off, build a couple in your siege area. It would be basically the same thing as a probe building photon cannons on a protoss attack (thought that almost never happens; but the Thor would probably be better). To get the Thor as a regular unit for your army though, that's just not good. It's an 'offensive building'.

[TitanWing]

Dear God...imagine 5+ SCVs repairing the thing in battle. HUGE balance problem.

Goodbye Thor. Good riddance.

[3Vee]

Especially with auto-repair. One more reason auto-cast needs to be handled carefully.

Or just scrap the Thor.

[Faiien]

I mean ffs, this thread and its 9 Warcraft players (im assuming you guys play warcraft, since real sc players would be sick to their stomachs at this monstrosity) are a testament to the ignorance on this forum. I am happy, at least, that common sense has yet prevailed in a 13-9 vote.

& who the hell called it balanced? The games not even out yet ffs, and its already pretty clearly imbalanced in theorycraft.

It will only take one very simple thing to not make me puke: no Thor.
Goodbye Thor. Good riddance.

just scrap the Thor.


can i get an amen

[Protogod]

can i get an amen
AMEN! :D

[sdbolts11]

But is Thor's air attack as strong as his ground? Probably not, so stfu about stuff beyond you. You cant even win a match in sc1, and you'r e in here talking about balance and usefulness.

You just think it looks cool, and want T to dominate so you can actually win a goddamned match for once. And dont even deny that, cuz anyone who's seen you on bnet will know its true.

How the fuck is a powerful base dominator NOT taken by the terran? I mean, ffs, siege tank already did more damage than an archon, and were a hell of a lot cheaper.

& how would Racing to a thor make them "ex-noobs" wtf? that doesnt make sense. So are you telling me that when noobs make a half-assed strat about 100 BC's that they are now ex-noobs? NO , IT MEANS THEY ARE NOOBS. How the FUCK can you even say that rushing to Thor will make them ex-noobs? Are you autistic?

I mean ffs, this thread and its 9 Warcraft players (im assuming you guys play warcraft, since real sc players would be sick to their stomachs at this monstrosity) are a testament to the ignorance on this forum. I am happy, at least, that common sense has yet prevailed in a 13-9 vote.

& who the hell called it balanced? The games not even out yet ffs, and its already pretty clearly imbalanced in theorycraft.
You got serious issues proto. Blizz will have the game balanced. If the Thor stays, that doesn't necessarily mean you will get your ass kicked even more. It opens up a new doorway for the Terran and a new COUNTERABLE challenge for Zerg, Protoss, and other Terran players. Try a few Warp Rays, which I'm sure will be much cheaper than the Thor :smirk:. Everything can be countered.

Let's look at the BC's and Carriers from SC1.
BC's
Zerg: Devies/Mutas, Plague, Hydras under Dark Swarm, Scourge (most likely with distraction to avoid the BC's fast laser), even Ensnare to keep them from escaping
Protoss: Dragoons, Scouts, Storms, Carriers
Terran: Goliaths, Lockdown, Cloaked Wraiths, possibly EMP to take out energy for Yamato

Now with Carriers
Zerg: Since Interceptors take forever to get out of the carriers, Scourge alone make nice work of them. Counters for BC's work well too.
Protoss: Dragoons, Scouts?, Storms (although faster than BC's and thus can move out of a storm faster)
Terran: Goliaths, Lockdown, EMP to take out shields

Even these behemoths from SC1 have their counters. The Thor would obviously have its own counters too. Cobra micro taking advantage of the slow turning of the Thor and Warp Rays already sound like plausible counters. It may be a powerful unit, but it will have its counters, and thus cannot be said to be monstrously overpowered.

[TitanWing]

SD, shut up, kthx.

AMEN, SUSHI! AMEN!

[sdbolts11]

Wrong. You're too biased against the Thor to see anything good about it. And believe it or not, it's not simply an uber Siege Tank, or else Blizzard would never even have thought of it. I doubt they are stupid :/

If the Thor is scrapped, it's because it poses some balance issues, and as been being said, especially with SCV repair. However, if it stays, then Blizzard had its reasons, and as they are the professionals, we just have to accept it.

[3Vee]

Even these behemoths from SC1 have their counters. The Thor would obviously have its own counters too. Cobra micro taking advantage of the slow turning of the Thor and Warp Rays already sound like plausible counters. It may be a powerful unit, but it will have its counters, and thus cannot be said to be monstrously overpowered.

The problem is that Blizz so far has stuck with a fairly traditional set-up with air-based capital units being the top dogs. The Mothership was a departure from this set-up, being a single unit, but it sort of makes sense (even though I don't like). The Thor is a much greater departure and therefore a much greater potential balance problem: it's essentially a land-based capital, and with the BC still in the mix, that's a problem.

If the Thor were only anti-ground, then it would actually - imo - be okay balance-wise, although redundant, with the tank (2nd tier) and nuke (3rd tier) also in the mix, and therefore still a bad idea.

In my opinion - and I'm not a game designer, but still - a counter (at least a hard counter) to a unit should be one that wins (for cost) an unmicroed battle. Firebat>Zergling, Zergling>Dragoon, Dragoon>Goliath, Goliath>Wraith, Wraith>Battlecruiser, Battlecruiser>Corsair, etc. Now, Blizzard tends to stick to a lot of "soft" counters to encourage balanced attack forces, but I'm still exceedingly wary of the argument that the Thor is somehow balanced because XYZ unit can beat it "with micro".

[vIsitor]

1) The Thor is a redundant unit. Its role is that of mobile artillery, which is already filled by the Siege Tank, Nuke, and Battlecruiser.

2) Its lack of mobility goes directly against the grain of the Terran paradigm of mobility (hell, even the Battlecruisers were fairly speedy for their size).

To be perfectly blunt, the Thor has two potential settings: über, and nerfed. There is no way to effectively balance the thing without making it impossible to use. The Siege Tank balanced its powerful shock cannon by sacrificing its mobility for the duration; the Thor has an impressive array of weapons, but it has no way to effectively bring them into play because of its crippling innate lack of mobility. And to let the Thor move quickly would be imbalanced, because it would have no check against using them. And because the Thor is so damn huge, it would seem improper for its weaponry to be toned down below a certain threshold (what's up with all the Lasers, anyway?).

The Thor as-is has no real purpose, and needs to go.

--

On a side note, somebody mentioned that the Goliath has a suitable replacement with the Cobra and the Viking. I'm afraid they're dead wrong.

The Cobra, which has a name confusingly unrelated to its predecessor, the Vulture, can, indeed, attack air. The supplantation of fragmentation grenades with rail-guns seems a logical progression that better allows the hover-bike design to take advantage of its speed. The added bonus of which is that the long-range rail-guns can attack air, which is a nice bonus feature. However, it is an early-game unit, and since its role is presumably anti-infantry, as the Vulture was, it likely uses concussive damage for balance reasons. This, coupled with only a moderate rate of fire, limit its use against aircraft greatly.

The Viking, despite being a very neat, and useful mecha, is most certainly not a LarsCorp Goliath. It can only attack air targets when it is in the air itself, and therefore lacks the purpose that Goliaths were largely made for; Ground-to-Air defense. After all, typically Air-to-Air defense was already handled by Wraiths and, later, Valkyries, and yet the Goliaths enjoyed a great deal of use because of their distinctly different role. The Viking is not the Goliath's replacement, it is a new unit entirely.

The Thor might make a good Goliath replacement if properly scaled down. I could care less if the Goliath kicked the bucket, so long as the role it held was properly filled by a newer unit. A mini-Thor would work well for the anti-air role, I think. Just replace those lasers with something more reasonable, like Auto-cannons or Flak.

My $2.38

[3Vee]

2) Its lack of mobility goes directly against the grain of the Terran paradigm of mobility (hell, even the Battlecruisers were fairly speedy for their size).

Actually, BCs are hella slow, even compared to other capitals. Carriers run rings around them, and I'm pretty sure devos are faster too.

On a side note, somebody mentioned that the Goliath has a suitable replacement with the Cobra and the Viking.

That was me. *g*

I'm afraid they're dead wrong.

The Cobra, which has a name confusingly unrelated to its predecessor, the Vulture, can, indeed, attack air... However, it is an early-game unit, and since its role is presumably anti-infantry, as the Vulture was, it likely uses concussive damage for balance reasons. This, coupled with only a moderate rate of fire, limit its use against aircraft greatly.

If it's the successor to the vulture, it's a second tier unit, so yes it is probably an infantry counter. But the AA capability makes the actual design somewhat questionable. Concussive damage isn't going to be much good against air units, which imo makes it highly unlikely that the Cobra does concussive. Otherwise the AA capability isn't worth that much. A couple marines would do more good: it then makes sense to remove AA capability... but it obviously has it.

The Viking, despite being a very neat, and useful mecha, is most certainly not a LarsCorp Goliath. It can only attack air targets when it is in the air itself, and therefore lacks the purpose that Goliaths were largely made for; Ground-to-Air defense... The Viking is not the Goliath's replacement, it is a new unit entirely.

But it could fill the same hole - versatile unit with A+ grade AA in a different way. Depending how long the transform takes.

[pytum]

However, one use of the Thor that I definately do see is on an attack; you bring SCVs and while holding the enemy off, build a couple in your siege area. It would be basically the same thing as a probe building photon cannons on a protoss attack (thought that almost never happens; but the Thor would probably be better). To get the Thor as a regular unit for your army though, that's just not good. It's an 'offensive building'.

hey, this could be nice... building thors next to the enemy... bye bye all kind of buildable defense, and when your scvs finish the thor you can bring all your mechs and send them to attack and the scv will repair them automatically!!! yay

[Protogod]

hey, this could be nice... building thors next to the enemy... bye bye all kind of buildable defense, and when your scvs finish the thor you can bring all your mechs and send them to attack and the scv will repair them automatically!!! yay

no, not yay. Fuckowned.

Instant gg, automatically!!! GAY!

[TitanWing]

If the Thor is scrapped, it's because it poses some balance issues, and as been being said, especially with SCV repair. However, if it stays, then Blizzard had its reasons, and as they are the professionals, we just have to accept it.
No, it will be scrapped for the same reason the Soul Hunter was: community opinion. The Thor is hated, the Thor will die, intelligent people who love and recognize what made SC great will celebrate their victory over the masses of noobs.

[Protogod]

No, it will be scrapped for the same reason the Soul Hunter was: community opinion. The Thor is hated, the Thor will die, intelligent people who love and recognize what made SC great will celebrate their victory over the masses of noobs.

hopefully. Remember, blizz is still shooting for the lowest common denominator, and if the noobs have money, blizzard will want them to play it.

[TitanWing]

Noobs are too stupid to make money.

<.<
>.>

[pytum]

no, not yay. Fuckowned.

Instant gg, automatically!!! GAY!

are you afraid about the thor?? lol, it could be more destructive almost like a tank in siege mode...

for terran players it could be nice! now that scv can auto repair, they will be seen a lot and since the thor is made by a scv... holy sh*t! yay!

[Protogod]

are you afraid about the thor?? lol, it could be more destructive almost like a tank in siege mode...

for terran players it could be nice! now that scv can auto repair, they will be seen a lot and since the thor is made by a scv... fucken ownage!! you're retarded. What the hell does this have to do with a balanced fun game? Really? Tell me.

i think titan is a protoss player...

Actually he is a Terran Player. He just isnt a complete Tool like some people.

[pytum]

again saying sh*t to other people??

you're retarded. What the hell does this have to do with a balanced fun game? Really? Tell me.

well... that will be fun but i dont know if balanced, but it can be balanced

[Protogod]

again saying sh*t to other people?? people? where? I dun see any.

well... that will be fun but i dont know if balanced, but it can be balanced

In other words youre taken back by the "zomg k00l!!!!!!11!!!1!!!11!!!1one!!!" factor. You have no actual experience, skill, or thought to back up your opinion. That, my dear friend, is why I may seem irritated at your, well, ignorance.

[pytum]

well... the thor must have good things, so, im refering to those good things, and about the bad things, im sure that you and other people are enough to say them...

[TitanWing]

There's so many bad things than I think we need more people to convince you.

[Protogod]

well... the thor must have good things, so, im refering to those good things

rofl. "im sure it must have something good about it. I cant think of anyhting good, but it must be there. Ergo its a good unit"

Worst.logic.ever.

[DarkMirror]

The thor has no good things.

[qwertyuiop106]

Okay, the Thor fails. Live with it or kill yourself.

You people are going like "LOLZ!111LOOK ON TEH BRIGHT SIDE!!11". Okay, sure. I'm looking on the bright side. What do I see? Nothing. The Thor is either too imba, or too horrid to be in SC2. From what I see, 'lings can kill it. And its' pathfinding will probably be horrid, as a general rule of everything huge.

[hmmm]

it is ballnced and it is kool, but overall i find it retarted, its pretty much instant victory on legs if used correctly :/

then how the fuck is it balanced???? dumbass

[Protogod]

the Thor fails. Live with it or kill yourself.


I love you.

[TitanWing]

Okay, the Thor fails. Live with it or kill yourself.
+rep for you. Fewer posts, yet knows far more.

[pytum]

just because he backups your idea ?? shss... so if i am going mad to the thor, do i gonna get a rep?? is this how it works??

[Protogod]

just because he backups your idea ?? shss... so if i am going mad to the thor, do i gonna get a rep?? is this how it works??

no, because you'll still be a retarded little noob. Yeah, that was harsh, but ffs, you arent even thinking anymore, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. You have no support for your side, youre just saying zomg pwnage.

In short- i really dont give a damn about your opinion, you still get -rep.

[qwertyuiop106]

No, because it's the truth. If you look through this entire topic, there is more then enough facts that prove this notion. I actually have to applaud Proto and Titan for bringing down whatever these idiots bring up. What do we have to do to convince you that the Thor fails? It's too cumbersome for the Terrans' trademark mobility, and it looks horrible. There's a freakin' gun sticking out of EVERY ORFICE.

It makes me retch, it's a freakin' Gundam, A GUNDAM. Who wants a Gundam?

[pytum]

no, because you'll still be a retarded little noob. Yeah, that was harsh, but ffs, you arent even thinking anymore, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. You have no support for your side, youre just saying zomg pwnage.

In short- i really dont give a damn about your opinion, you still get -rep.

i think that you just wanna see what you like, all that oppose your opinion is a retarded and such things... just because i like the thor am i a retarded little noob?? you are wrong mister, every post that isnt what you are saying, you respond with bad words and sh*t... you must respect each post, even the dumbest of all(more you since you are a staff of this forum), im not saying ZOMG!, pwnage!!, i said some good facts and some good uses for the thor... and about that you dont really give a damn of my opinion... i think it wasnt a good idea that you had posted that...

No, because it's the truth. If you look through this entire topic, there is more then enough facts that prove this notion. I actually have to applaud Proto and Titan for bringing down whatever these idiots bring up. What do we have to do to convince you that the Thor fails? It's too cumbersome for the Terrans' trademark mobility, and it looks horrible. There's a freakin' gun sticking out of EVERY ORFICE.

It makes me retch, it's a freakin' Gundam, A GUNDAM. Who wants a Gundam?

well it isnt good to applaud proto about the way that he does that, you dont have to convince me, you will not be able to do that, i will always think that the thor is a good unit, although it has its bad things and good things, i think it could be a good support unit, thats why karune said that the thor is not the type of unit that go alone...

[Protogod]

i think that you just wanna see what you like, all that oppose your opinion is a son of a what and such things... I take it you've yet to find support for Thor, which is the topic at hand. just because i like the thor am i a retarded little noob?? pretty much. you are wrong mister, every post that isnt what you are saying you respond with bad words and sh*t you must respect each post oh, its about to get better. even the dumbest of all roflmao, that would be you. (more you since you are a staff of this forum actually I'm staff of sc.org. I come here out of mutual respect for the network and its universal admins. im not saying ZOMG!, pwnage!! I'll get the links. i said some good facts wanna get those for me? it seems NO ONE ELSE has seen them either. and some good uses for the thor... yeah and i quoted you on that. "zomg pwnage." and about that you dont really give a damn of my opinion... kthxbai i think it wasnt a good idea that you had posted that... would you rather I lie to your face?

well it isnt good to applaud proto about the way that he does thati think that you just wanna see what you like, all that oppose your opinion is a son of a what and such things... you dont have to convince me thats good because you refuse to be convinced, despite the overwhelming irrefutable evidence we've provided. But yes, thank you for reassuring us that WE dont have to appease YOU. you will not be able to do that yes, we said that several posts ago. i will always think that the thor is a good unit which is why you're a dumbass. You're already saying that no matter what we show you, Thor is good. You're being as stubborn as an ASS. although it has its bad things and good things if not all bad. You still havent shown me any good things about it. i think it could be an awesome support unit "I dont care about your opinion" thats why karune said that the thor is not the type of unit that go alone...
Carepolice.

[TitanWing]

gg....NO RE!

[DragonPaladin]

yes. Its redundant, not wanted, not needed, and just a behemoth for little noobs to race to.

Battlecruiser, sir.

[hmmm]

wow protogod just went all out, take cover

[Protogod]

wow protogod just went all out, take cover

He made it so easy, I'm just warmed up now. Had I felt the need to go all out, you wouldnt have the time to take cover.

[hmmm]

lol nice, but i agree, the thor fails hard, i would have liked it better if it was just a little bit improved version of the gol, its supreme heavy pwr is just gay

[sdbolts11]

Okay, okay. The Thor is way too overpowered and will cause severe balance issues. But since so far we know shit about counters and that stuff, we really can't say much as of now. However, as of now, it should be taken out, but time will tell...

[Basan]

You got serious issues proto. Blizz will have the game balanced. If the Thor stays, that doesn't necessarily mean you will get your ass kicked even more. It opens up a new doorway for the Terran and a new COUNTERABLE challenge for Zerg, Protoss, and other Terran players. Try a few Warp Rays, which I'm sure will be much cheaper than the Thor :smirk:. Everything can be countered.

Have you read one of my previous posts here (http://www.warboards.org/showpost.php?p=503916&postcount=28) about the new Thor + Domes slow push concept or you just went briefly blind and skipped it? IF Tanks + Turrets are hard to counter as it is imagine it done with Thors. Thinking with broadened horizons yet?
And as I've also implicit stated there that if the Thor fires air how come the warp rays will even get into firing range before getting shot down by Thors? "Counterable challenge" my ass. :P

And as for the "they'll be cheaper" than Thors part, you cannot be sure of that. Plus taking into consideration that most likely it won't be a single Thor to face a few Rays.

Let's look at the BC's and Carriers from SC1.
BC's
Zerg: Devies/Mutas, Plague, Hydras under Dark Swarm, Scourge (most likely with distraction to avoid the BC's fast laser), even Ensnare to keep them from escaping
Protoss: Dragoons, Scouts, Storms, Carriers
Terran: Goliaths, Lockdown, Cloaked Wraiths, possibly EMP to take out energy for Yamato

Now with Carriers
Zerg: Since Interceptors take forever to get out of the carriers, Scourge alone make nice work of them. Counters for BC's work well too.
Protoss: Dragoons, Scouts?, Storms (although faster than BC's and thus can move out of a storm faster)
Terran: Goliaths, Lockdown, EMP to take out shields

Even these behemoths from SC1 have their counters. The Thor would obviously have its own counters too. Cobra micro taking advantage of the slow turning of the Thor and Warp Rays already sound like plausible counters. It may be a powerful unit, but it will have its counters, and thus cannot be said to be monstrously overpowered.

Ok, let's start simple. Almost all, if not all, of the SC-BW original dev'ing team is no longer working for Blizz' and although I still expect that they can come up with a nice balance deal, that makes me somewhat more cautious to ponder even before stating it. Thus, the existing balance you spoke about SC-BW cannot be truly applied to the situation at hand.
Second, the "behemoths" you speak about are all air units. The Thor obviously isn't one of such cases and therefore almost assuredly it'll have to be countered from the ground as well. In SC-BW rare were the cases in which an air unit countered a ground one per se, so the Thors are looking to be one hell of a troublesome b**ch to balance the way they're being portrayed here.

As for the rest of the Thor goers, if you don't have a coherent logic to substantiate your visible Thor support then don't even bother to drivel around. :_poke:

[Ktan]

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