Kerrigan- Good or Evil?

[DevilKing71]

I just went through the thread on 'Was mengsk evil?', and I just realized that there was not muck talk about Sarah being evil after she was infested. In Starcraft terran missions, she was a good, noble soldier. After she was infested, she became a murderess, enslaved to the overmind. But in BW, she has full control over herself, but she still was Queen B of the universe.

My Question, overall is she good or bad? And why the heck is she pissin` everyone off?

[Oldmano]

She manipulated two races to do her bidding, killed countless innocent people in the process, killed several war heroes (noble and not noble) and just seemed to have a really snooty, patronizing attitude about herself. I'd say she's pretty damn evil.

Not only that, but if I'm not mistaken she is directly responsible for the death of Zahz and her very creator, The Overmind, both of which who are of the same species.

[SilverCrusader]

She killed fenix, thus making her evil.

[ClintonM]

Bah!

I say that good/evil is all in how you look at it.

Sure, the zerg may be the "brainless" ones of the bunch, but she IS a hero to them. In war there is no good or evil no matter what anyone says...

[DarkMirror]

So killing kids, just for the fun of it and the fact that they are helpless, is not evil?

[TitanWing]

She's ebil!

[SilverCrusader]

YAH! EBILNESS!
Anyone that kills one of the four cool characters, deserves to die.
Four awesome cooliest characters:
Tassadar
Fenix
Jim Raynor
Zeratul

[TheDriver]

Not so evil...
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Evil!!
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Evil!!
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[ClintonM]

What?

... Guess American's are Pretty evil too if that's the standards Darkmirror ;).

As I said, in ALL wars there is no good or evil, merely separate sides fighting for something that's usually greedy/pointless... Such as taking control of a galaxy (ALL the StarCraft Races anyone ;)).

[Oldmano]

If I recall the Protoss were living a relatively peaceful life, despite the Aeon Strife which died down and just had the Khala followers on one planet and the Dark Templar on another. The Terran had only some petty squabbles (I might be mistaken here, please correct me if I am) before the Zerg came along. Also, Kerrigan can't really be viewed as a hero, as like you said yourself, they are mindless, they only do the will of their masters, and Kerrigan has done even more evil with them than any cerebrate or The Overmind. I believe The Overmind spoke of honour and his dreams of becoming a perfect species, which in itself isn't a very evil deed, as it ensures the survival of the species he governs. However, Kerrigan didn't even win her battles through real fighting, more so through manipulating species when they were physically not to mention emotionally frail. She doesn't care about the Zerg, she cares about herself, she uses them as a vehicle to elevate herself and get vengeance, the books as I recall stated that she would kill Zerg that got in her way of her and cerebrates. Hell, she is responsible for the death of The Overmind, isn't she? Not to say that the other species didn't have their civil wars (brutal ones even I might add) but the Protoss and Terran are definitely the lesser of the three evils.

the Protoss are fighting for their survival, as are the Terran I believe, the Zerg attacked them first, as for the UED, your right, that's greed, but for the native Terrans of the Korprulu sector, it's more so a fight for survival.

[Galiant]

4 Words

Every
Villain
Is
Lemons

:P

Yup! I took it from Spongebob!

[apostolos]

Keri isn't evil.She's the most evil thing in the whole universe!

[ClintonM]

Isn't Kerrigan like the leader of EVERY country? Using others for their own gain (Bush anyone? *oil buddies* Cheney anyone? *gun salesman*)...

She's a good negotiator and gets what she wants, no shame in that ;).

Also, couldn't we blame this on the Terrans for experimenting on innocent people for her reasons?

The Terrans manipulate and do experiments on people, wouldn't that make them pretty "evil"? That actually sounds similar to Hitler himself if you ask me...

The Protoss banished their brethren until they needed to USE their planet them to survive, that sounds pretty evil? They also do experiments to enhance their soldiers (zealots anyone? ;)).

Every race has done some of the things you say make the Zerg/Kerrigan evil, but you guys defend them. I'm the only one saying EVERY race has done some bad things, but none of them are good OR evil...

[SilverCrusader]

I repeat, she killed one of the four good characters, she deserves to die.

[TitanWing]

YAH! EBILNESS!
Anyone that kills one of the four cool characters, deserves to die.
Four awesome cooliest characters:
Tassadar
Fenix
Jim Raynor
Zeratul
FIVE awesome coolest characters:
Tassardar
Fenix
Jim Raynor
Zeratul
STUKOV!

[ecyor0]

Yep, Stukov was cool as well (although it was Duran who killed him, not Kerrigan - the 'being infested by Kerrigan" was just a clever ruse)

As for Kerrigan herself, I actually think that the Sarah Kerrigan who was captured on Tarsonis no longer exists (or else is forever trapped in the back of her mind, powerless to do anything) The Queen of Blades is a creation of the Overmind, an extension of his will - in a sense, the vast evilnesswhateveryouwanttocallit of the Overmind lives on in Kerrigan.

<sigh> Y'know, I'm having more stimulating conversation here than at the Intellectual Roundtable. I think I might defect.

[ClintonM]

All of those characters suck, Kerrigan's the most interesting character of the game... She went from being one of the characters that were underestimated and used to being the leader of a race.

That has the American Dream written all over it ;).

[TitanWing]

The American dream is to kill all the good guys and lead a race of space bugs...yeah...

[ClintonM]

No, going from a nobody to somebody which is basically what Kerrigan did...

I'll argue more whenever I get back from Gettysburg, cya later :D.

[SilverCrusader]

lol, titan makes me laugh.
Anyway, she is evil, she might of been cool, IF SHE DIDN'T KILL FENIX!

[TitanWing]

It doesn't matter, Clinton. Your point has nothing to do with whether she was evil or not.

[ecyor0]

lol, titan makes me laugh.
Anyway, she is evil, she might of been cool, IF SHE DIDN'T KILL FENIX!

With you on that. It was as bad as killing off Axel in Kingdom Hearts 2 (waaahh, he was cool!:cry:)

[Ktan]

Anyway, she is evil, she might of been cool, IF SHE DIDN'T KILL FENIX!

Technically, she only ordered his death...

:P

[SilverCrusader]

Even speaking of death of one of the 4 cool characters is punishable by rape of proto.

[DarkMirror]

Kill Stukov. And Zeratul. And Raynor.

And I fart on Fenixes grave.

Come and get me. :)

[Galiant]

Kill Stukov. And Zeratul. And Raynor.

And I fart on Fenixes grave.

Come and get me. :)

Stukov was not killed by Kerri, he was pwned by that black duran duran dude
and stukov got revived by a cerebrate and the protoss made a new device(medicine) uninfest a person back to life (http://www.battle.net/scc/OS/precursor.shtml)

But still... shes still a:

Every Villain is Lemons!!!!!!!!!

E.V.I.L.!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kimera757]

I think Kerrigan only went evil due to being betrayed by Mengsk (but could only express this after the first Overmind died). She might have been emotionally unstable due to the terrible way she was raised by the Ghost program, too, although her having a conscience stronger than that of Duke's showed she had the potential to be a much better person.

Her motivations seemed to be as followed:

1) Keep the Overmind from controlling her. This required her to weaken the "Renegade" Zerg (by working with the Protoss of Shakuras and manipulating Raszagal) and manipulate Raynor and Fenix into assisting her in smashing the Psi Disruptor. Then she later manipulated Zeratul (and Raszagal) to slay the second Overmind. She had no choice in this matter; her position was too weak, especially after the UED activated the Psi Disrupter, and falling under the Overmind's (and possibly UED's) control was just not an option.

2) She went overboard with True Colors. She had what she wanted (a big army and the destruction of the Psi Disrupter) at the end of BW Zerg 3. However, smashing the UED forces on Korhal made good military sense. Killing Duke and Fenix made some military sense, too, although Fenix and Raynor were a weak, ignorable force. Note that this was before she had her premonition, so there was no point in holding back. If you ask me, a non-evil person would simply have left at that point. Kerrigan does feel sorrow, though; she was weary of the slaughter, although she may only have said that as an excuse not to kill Raynor.

3) Revenge on Mengsk. She treated him terribly, going out of her way to assist in his rescue just so she could humiliate him ... well, that and she needed his Psi Emitters. It was because of this that she helped him get Korhal back (put him in his place) and then viciously back-stabbed him on Korhal. Mengsk had it coming. He did, after all, condone and commit a large number of evil acts, including abandoning Kerrigan because her sense of morals was too strong.

(By the way, Mengsk is extremely strong-willed. He could blank his mind, preventing Kerrigan from reading him. She's not as great a judge of character as we may think. She seemed to misjudge the Protoss in original Terran 9, too.)

4) She went too far in "Reckoning". There was no need for her to keep the Matriarch at the end of BW Zerg 8; that was just evil. She went way overboard trying to get the Matriarch back, and after Zeratul killed her, she let him live (military nonsensical move) just so he could live with the emotional pain.

I'd say she's evil, not mainly due to her motivations, but due to her "the ends justify the means" methods. Like Mengsk in the original StarCraft, she couldn't win except to use under-handed means. Unlike Mengsk, she had to do some of these things; falling under the control of the second Overmind was just not an option, especially after the UED captured it.

She basically mentally tortured Zeratul and went too far in trying to recapture the Matriarch. She also probably went too far in killing Fenix's troops, although to some extent that was militarily valid.

Conclusion: Evil, but not as bad as Mengsk. She seems more sane to me, although she's still probably emotionally unstable.

[DarkMirror]

Stukov was not killed by Kerri, he was pwned by that black duran duran dude
and stukov got revived by a cerebrate and the protoss made a new device(medicine) uninfest a person back to life (http://www.battle.net/scc/OS/precursor.shtml)

But still... shes still a:

Every Villain is Lemons!!!!!!!!!

E.V.I.L.!!!!!!!!!!!

I know this. But I was just saying, KIll HIM!

[U-238]

Ok, the simple answer (in English).

All villains are badass.

Kerrigan = badass.

Therefore Kerrigan = Villain.

Any questions?

[TitanWing]

Kimera's right.

[U-238]

I think Kerrigan only went evil due to being betrayed by Mengsk (but could only express this after the first Overmind died). She might have been emotionally unstable due to the terrible way she was raised by the Ghost program, too, although her having a conscience stronger than that of Duke's showed she had the potential to be a much better person.

Her motivations seemed to be as followed:

1) Keep the Overmind from controlling her. This required her to weaken the "Renegade" Zerg (by working with the Protoss of Shakuras and manipulating Raszagal) and manipulate Raynor and Fenix into assisting her in smashing the Psi Disruptor. Then she later manipulated Zeratul (and Raszagal) to slay the second Overmind. She had no choice in this matter; her position was too weak, especially after the UED activated the Psi Disrupter, and falling under the Overmind's (and possibly UED's) control was just not an option.

2) She went overboard with True Colors. She had what she wanted (a big army and the destruction of the Psi Disrupter) at the end of BW Zerg 3. However, smashing the UED forces on Korhal made good military sense. Killing Duke and Fenix made some military sense, too, although Fenix and Raynor were a weak, ignorable force. Note that this was before she had her premonition, so there was no point in holding back. If you ask me, a non-evil person would simply have left at that point. Kerrigan does feel sorrow, though; she was weary of the slaughter, although she may only have said that as an excuse not to kill Raynor.

3) Revenge on Mengsk. She treated him terribly, going out of her way to assist in his rescue just so she could humiliate him ... well, that and she needed his Psi Emitters. It was because of this that she helped him get Korhal back (put him in his place) and then viciously back-stabbed him on Korhal. Mengsk had it coming. He did, after all, condone and commit a large number of evil acts, including abandoning Kerrigan because her sense of morals was too strong.

(By the way, Mengsk is extremely strong-willed. He could blank his mind, preventing Kerrigan from reading him. She's not as great a judge of character as we may think. She seemed to misjudge the Protoss in original Terran 9, too.)

4) She went too far in "Reckoning". There was no need for her to keep the Matriarch at the end of BW Zerg 8; that was just evil. She went way overboard trying to get the Matriarch back, and after Zeratul killed her, she let him live (military nonsensical move) just so he could live with the emotional pain.

I'd say she's evil, not mainly due to her motivations, but due to her "the ends justify the means" methods. Like Mengsk in the original StarCraft, she couldn't win except to use under-handed means. Unlike Mengsk, she had to do some of these things; falling under the control of the second Overmind was just not an option, especially after the UED captured it.

She basically mentally tortured Zeratul and went too far in trying to recapture the Matriarch. She also probably went too far in killing Fenix's troops, although to some extent that was militarily valid.

Conclusion: Evil, but not as bad as Mengsk. She seems more sane to me, although she's still probably emotionally unstable.

Keeping Razagal makes sense. The reason is that, if she could get Zeratul to kill the overmind for her, why not get him to do whatever else she needs him to do? Being that Razagal was already under her influence so heavily there really wasn't any reason not to try to get her back.

And as to the killing of Duke and Fenix. She knew that they could eventually become strong enough to be a threat to her. Kill them while they're weak and problem solved. She didn't kill Raynor because, while he could do the same as Fenix or Duke, he was much more emotionally connected to her so the chances of him actually doing it are much lower (even though he did swear to kill her, the chances are still much lower than Duke or Fenix) Mensgk was already humiliated so that appeased her beef with him for time being.

[ecyor0]

Mind you, the stabbing in the back was pre-mediated and planned well in advance - at the end of the briefing of Brood War Zerg 3, Duran asks Kerrigan if Raynor and Fenix suspect anything. She replies:
"Of course. They aren't stupid, Duran. They're siding with the evil they know over the evil they don't... They simply don't yet realize what it will cost them."

[Kawagata]

well since there's a whole giant war. Is it evil to win? Win by any cause.

[matefkr]

Some of you just picked up that "kill the uggly evil person" logic from some action film (or whatever it called). But in fact only that matter if you are satisfied or not with a fact (based on information which could be false or incomplete informations as well). But otherone may can interpret an information (or punctually, data) in another way. In conclusion there aren't any universal evil or Good things.

But anyway, does it matter? It's just a game.

[ClintonM]

Some of you just picked up that "kill the uggly evil person" logic from some action film (or whatever it called). But in fact only that matter if you are satisfied or not with a fact (based on information which could be false or incomplete informations as well). But otherone may can interpret an information (or punctually, data) in another way. In conclusion there aren't any universal evil or Good things.

But anyway, does it matter? It's just a game.

The whole "no good/evil" thing is what I've tried to say but it doesn't work... They just keep on babbling.

The fact that it's a game hasn't stopped them from countless arguments before this, they're pretty much as bad as Star Trek fans *shudders*...

[TitanWing]

Meh, it's just something we do when we're bored.

[ClintonM]

You're bored an awful lot then -.-

I'm actually going up to see a girl that I met at Gettysburg this weekend. So I'm NOT going to be bored ;). I should actually make a post about this story because it truly would make a good read O.O.

[Ktan]

Save it for the member's lounge, Cassanova :P

[Protogod]

Save it for the member's lounge, Cassanova
seriously, I only talk about my love life on Battle.net, so I can make fun of dutch/gladstone who dont even know what a girl is.

It's wholly unnecessary on forums.

[matefkr]

intresting.

[TitanWing]

LOL.....

Well, I guess this thread has lived it's life.

[U-238]

seriously, I only talk about my love life on Battle.net, so I can make fun of dutch/gladstone who dont even know what a girl is.

It's wholly unnecessary on forums.

Read: Yes he's got a girl. No she ain't pretty. No he isn't much better off than the two aforementioned users. Yes he wins at lame humor.

[Protogod]

Read: Yes he's got a girl. No she ain't pretty. No he isn't much better off than the two aforementioned users. Yes he wins at lame humor.

:lame:

'Nuff said.

[TitanWing]

Read: Yes he's got a girl. No she ain't pretty. No he isn't much better off than the two aforementioned users. Yes he wins at lame humor.
The point of this is...?

[Protogod]

The point of this is...?
Random troll. Dont touch it.

[ULTRAZEALOT]

goood. end of the conversation.
lol

[Ktan]

I have the feeling we are out of places to go with this. Again.