Was Mengsk that bad?

[Skydragon222]

SPOILERS IF CAMPAIGN IS NOT BEATEN


Yeah that’s right you read the topic title. Was Mengsk that bad? A lot of people on these boards immediately jump up to say that Mengsk was an ass, a traitor who abandoned his own troops. Well what he did may have been wrong but we are looking from one perspective: our own. So this begins at mission 8 and 9 of the Terrans in Starcraft. Well first lets look at the briefing they were sending in a SMALL FLEET after destroying a heavily armed confederate base. That small fleet was to lay down a psi emitter and run back up. Instead the Protoss came in and the battle took much longer than expected. By then the Sons of Kohral were probably being swarmed in Confederate troops and were fighting for their lives.

Also lets take a look at what happened at the end of mission 9. Everyone remembers the dramatic ending when the zerg sent out a gigantic force. They were probably tearing through your defenses. Sure if you play it again now you’ll be ready. A great man once said that if the man knew when the thief was coming he would have stayed up all night.

So honestly who here can say that the first time they did that mission they would have been ready to defend for… say another fifteen minutes when Mengsk tried to rescue you.
Keep in mind that the Confederacy, a rampaging zerg, and the protoss hated your guts and wanted to kill you.

Also let’s look into Mengsk’s past. His planet was destroyed by one thousand nuclear missiles. His friends, his family, his home, everything he knew was destroyed in a confederate attack. Mengsk wanted revenge.

Mengsk lent a hand to anyone who needed help or freedom from confederacy oppression. Raynor tried to stop an infested command center and Kerrigan was being experimented on. He could have easily let them die.

Also Mengsk’s favorite weapon the psi emitter: Surely Kerrigan’s infestation was his fault. Not really. The Psi emitter was stolen confederate technology. Who were they going to use it on. Gee Probably not the Sons of Korhal (sarcasm)

Mengsk united the Terrans together. Declaring no terran would ever wage war upon another Terran. (The UED was unexpected and not his fault.)

In the end I have one question? Commander would you have risked the lives of Duke, Raynor, and Mengsk to go in to that battle for fifteen more minutes and battle All three armies to help Kerrigan if you had no way of knowing what she would become?

Please Debate

[masterofhobbiton]

Just 'cause he's a charismatic speaker doesn't mean he's a great guy. Mengsk helped no one unless it would gain him popularity on the newstations.

[Skydragon222]

Helped NO ONE unless it would gain him popularity??? Kerrigan was probably never mentioned. She was rescued form Confederates experimenting on her.

Raynor was saved becuase he opposed the confederacy and needed help. A marshall and a small battalion would probably not be worth saving. (Turns out they were though)

I can not stand up for him saving duke. He did it because duke could turn out to be a powerful ally.

[Protogod]

Helped NO ONE unless it would gain him popularity??? Kerrigan was probably never mentioned. She was rescued form Confederates experimenting on her. If you ever read the books, you'd know that mengsk was using her to kill the ghosts who assassinated his father. He planned to kill her too, until he realized how useful she would be. Then he left her to die when she was no longer worth the trouble. Real great guy.

Raynor was saved because he opposed the confederacy. A marshall and a small battalion would probably not be worth saving. (Turns out they were though) you made my point for me. They were HUGELY useful to mengsk. Mengsk basically recruited them. If you're running a band of outlaws, you'll recruit whoever you can get.

I can not stand up for him saving duke. He did it because duke could turn out to be a powerful ally.

Yes.

[TitanWing]

Did we forget about how he left her to die to the Zerg? Along with a bunch of his troops? He used the Zerg to kill all his enemies.

He's a Hitler.

[pandut]

but in BW , y did raynor save mengks from death?
after all teh things he did to him?

[H-Dog]

For mission 9, what would it have hurt for Arcturus to have sacrificed a Dropship or two to try and pick up some of the survivors? The base would have been lost but Kerrigan was a skilled Ghost, I'm sure she and a few of her men would have been able to hold out for help to arrive. Even if the Dropships were unable to reach her against such an onslaught, it would have been a token gesture at least. Arcturus was a smart guy, he should have known such a betrayal would have fragmented his troops, as it did with Rayner and his men leaving the Sons of Korhal. It would have also devastated moral, Arcturus lost far more then he gained by abandoning that base. He should have known that.

[DarkMirror]

Also, please realise that there wasnt just one psi emitter. He placed about 20 of them, all over Tarsonis.

That just wasnt humane, especaily since there were no zerg there to begin with. The other planets they were used on had a few, they were going to fall anyways.

[masterofhobbiton]

I agree precisely with protogod.

[TitanWing]

Answer to the question of the topic: YES.

[zeratulthedark]

Mengsk knew that kerrygan was going to be infested, because she was a very powerfull ghost, and the zerg were atracted to the power of ghosts, also he knew that the zerg infest they're enemies, as they did with that comand center and a great number of mar saran, chau saran and tarsonian people

EDIT: The answer is yes, as Titan said

[TitanWing]

Mengsk had NO idea Kerri would be infested. He wanted her dead.

[MajorSonnwaitts]

I agree. If you were Arcturus, you couldn't let her alive if you know that she killed your father. He saw that day the opportunity for make her pay for that.
But she didn't died...

[Skydragon222]

OK I do try to read books but I have a question for all you starcraft book readers out there. What ghosts have been infested before mission 9 just a question. Also None of you said that you could have defended against the zerg onslaught in that mission. Mengsk's fleet was probably under heavy confederate fire. And no doubt the protoss wanted to avenge their dead brethren.

Also in mission 5 we learned that Mengsk wasn't the only renegade out there. He helped people who were imprisoned by the confederacy.

Also at the end of the day. Mengsk was willing to put aside his differences with two other races and formed a terran, earthling, and protoss bond that was ready to work together to destroy a common enemy

Also back to the confederacy. Mengsk's new empire was better than the old one. The united terran's and United protoss stand a far better chance of taking down the zerg than an army divided (if the terrans were divided and joined the protoss than the protoss would eventually separate as well

At the end of Brood War All the terrans and protoss were on the same page.

You mention kerrigan killing Mengsk's father.

Let me ask you a question if someone is controlling a robot and uses it to kill someone
Who should be punished?

Mengsk was smart enough to lead a rebellion and to become emporer why couldn't he figure that answer out. Also Kerrigan killed rebellion leaders (no specifics though) while being brain washed and she went through mental torture. Mengsk saved her from death at the hands of the confederacy.

Mengsk also did not enslave kerrigan. Kerrigan insisted taht she go down to the surface of new gettysburg and she could have left Mensgk at any time. Kerrigan is a fairly good judge of character and can read minds. If Mengsk was as evil as we say there is no way the confederacy was any better.

[Ktan]

It's pretty certain that Mengsk would have then turned on the UED, and vice-versa. It was simply a case of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'.

Mengsk is bad to the bone, driven crazy by his power. That and Blizz are making him out (or at least his Dominion) as the 'evil' Terran force in SC II.

[Skydragon222]

I'm not sure he would have. The UED and Mengsk were almost out of troops. If they had one at omega their was no way he could have staged an attack on the UED.

Also Mensgk banded together a new dominion. Which is better than the confederacy because Kerrigan would have left mensgk if he was worse due to the reasons mentioned above.

Fellow Terrans, I come to you in the wake of recent events to issue a call to reason. Let no human deny the perils of our time. While we battle one another, divided by the petty strife of our common history, the tide of a greater conflict is turning against us, threatening to destroy all that we have accomplished. It is time for us as nations and as individuals to set aside our long-standing feuds and unite. The tides of an unwinnable war are upon us, and we must seek refuge on higher ground, lest we be swept away by the flood.

The Confederacy is no more. Whatever semblance of unity and protection it once provided is a phantom; a memory. With our enemies left unchecked, who will you turn to for protection? The devastation wrought by the alien invaders is self-evident. We have seen our homes and communities destroyed by the calculated blows of the Protoss. We have seen first-hand our friends and loved ones consumed by the nightmarish Zerg. Unprecedented and unimaginable though they may be, these are the signs of our time.

The time has come my fellow Terrans, to rally to a new banner. In unity lies strength; already many of the dissident factions have joined us. Out of the many, we shall forge an indivisible whole, capitulating only to a single throne. And from that throne, I shall watch over you!

From this day forward, let no human make war on any other human. Let no Terran agency conspire against this new beginning. And let no man consort with alien powers. And to all the enemies of humanity, seek not to bar our way, for we shall win through, no matter the cost!


Also if mengsk is so power hungry why would he want to kill kerrigan. She was his second in command and a powerful ghost.

Also it was mentioned earliar that sending in some dropships would have been a kind gesture. To answer that I have a poem

Point of View
Thanksgiving dinner's sad and thankless,
Christmas dinner's dark and blue,
When you stop and try to see it
From the turkey's point of view.
Sunday dinner isn't funny
Easter feasts are just bad luck,
When you see it from the viewpoint
Of the chicken or the duck.
Oh, how I once loved tuna salad,
Pork and lobsters, lamb chops, too,
Till I stopped and looked at dinner
From the dinner's point of view.

The dropships would ahve been slaughtered. He would have had to send in a fleet to rescue kerrigan. THe protoss had been ordered to destroy all life on the planet and the zerg were going crazy with he psi emitter and the Confederacy was propably a bit miffed about the whole destruction of their space station betrayal of their general thing.

You are looking at this as a fan of starcraft and a person who plays the game. If that rescue squad had been real people do you think anyone would have been monstrous enough to throw their lives away as well.

Also what is this one or two dropships stuff. Should Mengsk have just saved Kerrigan and ditched everyone else. How Many ghosts did you use to call in nukes that mission. All ghosts have psychic potential. Do you think that if a guy had his arms blown off by a photon cannon but was psychicly strong they would have favored him any less.

[SuiCidAl-KiSmEt]

We can't really go into his life and know what he's going through. He wants revenge on the ConFeds for killing his family. He hates the ConFeds and he'll do anything to remove that enemy power.

The ConFeds were pretty bad too, the Confederate Council cared little for it's populace and were money hungry. Once Tarsonis is being overrunned, the ConFeds had no real army to even attempt to defend their own planet and the Council fled with their money. Mostly all Terran power seems to be bad.

The general attitude of the Terrans from the start was that they were all bad ass. And barely any General would care for each little person's life that they send while they are waging a full time war, so don't bicker about how horrible it is that a General is sending people in places where they could die. "Expendable Marines", heh?

In StarCraft wise, I personally think Arcturus Mengsk is cool. A Terran, he's the guy with right characteristics for a leader in the right war. Maybe not the smartest, but still.

[Skydragon222]

Also, please realise that there wasnt just one psi emitter. He placed about 20 of them, all over Tarsonis.

That just wasnt humane, especaily since there were no zerg there to begin with. The other planets they were used on had a few, they were going to fall anyways.

You did notice that Gigantic zerg force there in the mission. Also one psi emitter stretches across worlds two is excessive in itself.

but in BW , y did raynor save mengks from death?
after all teh things he did to him?

Raynor needed to repay the debt he owed mengsk, Mengsk did save his life you know

Mengsk had NO idea Kerri would be infested. He wanted her dead.

If Mengsk was as power hungry as we say why would he turn down a girl who had amazing psionic powers (lighting storm with her mind anyone) and was a powerful assassin.

id we forget about how he left her to die to the Zerg? Along with a bunch of his troops? He used the Zerg to kill all his enemies.

He's a Hitler.

At the end of the day we know that leaving kerrigan to die was a mistake. But what if Kerrigan hadn't been infested. Would we still scorn mengsk as much. She was a sacrifice that was instrumental to bringing together the terran's If the terrans had still been undergoing a civil war the zerg would have eventually won.

On the offchance you respond to that as "they did eventually win" Kerrigan hasn't killed all the resistance

I'm betting Mengsk is going to redeem himself in Starcraft II and save Kerrigan or someone else. (After all Kerrigan does have some human left in her, after Raynor swore that he would kill her she said that she was weary of the slaughter perhaps raynor could bring out something in her that she could not bring out herself

[DarkMirror]

You did notice that Gigantic zerg force there in the mission. Also one psi emitter stretches across worlds two is excessive in itself.

Those were zerg summoned by the emitters, not ones that were there beforehand. Also, read the books. They explain that there were at least 20 emitters.

Raynor needed to repay the debt he owed mengsk, Mengsk did save his life you know

No, Raynor hated doing it. It was, indeed, an "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation.

If Mengsk was as power hungry as we say why would he turn down a girl who had amazing psionic powers (lighting storm with her mind anyone) and was a powerful assassin.

No, fisrt off Kerrigan could only do psionic storms because of hte zerg enhancing her powers and having her ghost conditioners removed. Also, KERRIGAN KILLED HER FATHER. everything he has ever done was to avenge that. You dont just forget that your lutenite is your fathers murderer.

At the end of the day we know that leaving kerrigan to die was a mistake. But what if Kerrigan hadn't been infested. Would we still scorn mengsk as much. She was a sacrifice that was instrumental to bringing together the terran's If the terrans had still been undergoing a civil war the zerg would have eventually won.

No, again your wrong. Kerrigan was an unknown death, never mentioned at all. Megnsk just utook over without any mention of the real heroes.

'm betting Mengsk is going to redeem himself in Starcraft II and save Kerrigan or someone else. (After all Kerrigan does have some human left in her, after Raynor swore that he would kill her she said that she was weary of the slaughter perhaps raynor could bring out something in her that she could not bring out herself

No, megnsk must always be evil. It would be realy corny if he saved Kerrigan. Also, kerrigan must die.

[Skydragon222]

First off i didn't say raynor liked saving mengsk chances are most people don't enjoy paying off their mortgage either.

Also Mengsk had a pistol and kerrigan's back to him before he informed kerrigan that he knew what she did. If Mengsk wanted to kill Kerrigan he could have done it earliar.

Do youknow how many unnamed soldiers are lying at gettysburg. Just because the people don't know her name doesn't mean she didn't valiantly sacrifice herself.

[Protogod]

skydragon, You're wrong, and EVERYONE sees it EXCEPT YOU. I dont even see how this is still up for debate. This thread has long outlived it's usefulness. Mengsk is a villain, end of story.

[Skydragon222]

Protogod that really isn't very mature to say in a calm sensible debate. I enjoy having debates so I started one. In a week I'll probably start another one.

BUT one final question. DID ANYONE ACTUALLY HAVE A BASE THAT COULD SURVIVE THE ZERG ONSLAUGHT THE FIRST TIME THEY PLAYED MISSION NINE???

[ecyor0]

Protogod that really isn't very mature to say in a calm sensible debate. I enjoy having debates so I started one. In a week I'll probably start another one.

BUT one final question. DID ANYONE ACTUALLY HAVE A BASE THAT COULD SURVIVE THE ZERG ONSLAUGHT THE FIRST TIME THEY PLAYED MISSION NINE???

NO I DIDN'T!!! They'd practically destroyed the entire base by the time Mengsk and Raynor had finished their little dialogue.

Also I don't think Mengsk was (originally) a villian. He just let his mad thirst for vengance blind him. And if he didn't learn his lesson then, he certainly learnt it after Kerrigan stabbed him in the back. I often think of Mengsk as sitting back and thinking about just what overthrowing the Confederacy cost him.

So yeah, more a tragic victim of his own folly than a villian

[DarkMirror]

My dad played, and I told him what happened at the end. So he about 80+ units there, just to try to hopld out as long as he could. Then the speech ended and he was upset, cause he had wasted so much time beefing up his defences.

[Protogod]

Protogod that really isn't very mature to say in a calm sensible debate. I enjoy having debates so I started one. In a week I'll probably start another one.


Not even a debate. Fact of the matter is that a debate is, well, debatable. It's clear as day that mengsk isnt some great guy who got a bad rap.

[Holocaust]

Mengsk didn't seem all that bad when I first played the Terran Campaign.
Leader of a rebellious faction, trying reclaim his home planet taken over by the Communists, or Confederacy. W/e, I don't remember.

Then he abandoned Sarah Kerrigan, who shortly after transformed into Bitch Kerrigan and set Brood War into motion.

After that, he crowned himself ~Empyrawr~ and got all of Korhal under his control, liekz a dictator?

Mengsk is, was and will always be a bastard in a battlecruiser that you can't normally use.

[ecyor0]

<sigh> Where is the empathy?

Look at this concept of Emperor Mengsk from SC2

http://compactiongames.about.com/od/starcraft2/ig/Starcraft-II-Concept-Art/Starcraft-II-Concept-Art.-10S.htm

That is not the face of an evil dictator. That is the face of a man burdened with his own guilt, wearied with what he has become (just ignore the ghost bodyguard - that's there to remind you that he is a bad guy)

[Skydragon222]

ecyor0 i couldn't have put it any better

[IceSkirt]

Why should we have any empathy for Mengsk? All evil dictators are depressed and burdened by guilt, its his own fault no likes him

[Protogod]

not to mention that we dont even KNOW for sure if that's mengsk.

[ecyor0]

What do you mean we don't know? He LOOKS like Mengsk fer cryin out loud...

As for all evil dictators being depressed and burdened with guilt... um, no, because by definition evil dictators have no problem doing evil things, which is why they can do them in the first place

[IceSkirt]

True, evil dictators do have no problem doing evil things. But can they handle evil things done to them?

[ecyor0]

True, evil dictators do have no problem doing evil things. But can they handle evil things done to them?

Er.... Come again?

[DarkMirror]

Dictators are ready to do evil things.
How do they deal with other s doing "evil" things to them?

[ShadeZ]

I've survived the onslaught at the end of mission 9. It's not that hard, really.

[vIsitor]

Arcturus Mengsk supplanted the Confederacy's corrupt bureaucracy with an authoritarian dictatorship. At least the confederacy was remotely democratic at heart, but the Emperor's 'Dominion' is a hard-line state that exists solely to serve his will. It is as though he has completely lost touch with the ideals that his father, Angus Mengsk, fought and died for on Korhal.

And as for Kerrigan, it is the sign of his greatest weakness: vengeance. So blinded was he by past grievances that he betrayed the one who trusted him most, breaking the bonds of friendship and foregoing any allegiance they once shared by abandoning her to a certain death. After all, all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing. Mengsk's decision was one of predictable selfish impulse, much as was his decision to avenge the death of his family. He never fought for ideals, those were merely a front which, for a time, he even fooled himself into believing he fought for them. But his desire for vengeance was paramount to all, and, as the saying goes, he became his own worst enemy.

[Protogod]

Well said.

[ecyor0]

Dictators are ready to do evil things.
How do they deal with other s doing "evil" things to them?

Ahh, now I gotcha.

...so how does that picture of Mengsk looking burdened with guilt relate to that?

(I'm not trying to quibble here, I'm just geniuenly perplexed by what you're trying to say)

[Protogod]

he's saying hes not miserable because of what HE did, he's miserable because of the way it turned out - with a different evil person in charge, instead of him.

[ecyor0]

Right. Gotcha. That makes sense

[TitanWing]

Visitor said it all.

[Kawagata]

Power Corrupts.

Mengsk was probably a good guy with alot of vengeance up until he managed to get an emitter. Everything went down hill from there.

[Kimera757]

Arcturus Mengsk
You'll regret that. You don't seem to realize my situation here. I will not be stopped. Not by you, or the Confederates, or the Protoss or anyone! I will rule this sector or see it burnt to ashes around me. If you try to get in my -

Mengsk is insane. He was consumed by revenge against the (admittedly evil) Confederacy government. They killed his family, and unable to tell who ordered their deaths, he had them all killed. He wanted power, but even more he wanted revenge. "I will rule this sector or see it burned to ashes around me."

Tarsonis was a planet with millions of people. It was one of the three most-populated Terran worlds in the Koprulu Sector. Most of citizens were just ordinary people, not evil Confederate politicos or military personnel. Mengsk lured the Zerg to kill the whole lot of them. Of course, he couldn't win without the psi-emitters, but it seems to me he should have pulled himself back from the brink of genocide. Instead, he became a tyrant as bad as the ones he replaced.

The new Dominion is a harsh autocracy, just like the Confederacy (which was actually a harsh oligarchy/plutocracy but that's basically the same thing) and just like the UED.

Raynor worked with Mengsk because he thought the UED was worse. After all, the UED was literally controlling Zerg, not just directing them with psi emitters. Also because he was still a little in love with Kerrigan, which would make it easy for her to convince him. (She could even have subtly altered his mind without Fenix's knowledge. Despite her powerful mind control of Raszagal, only Aldaris, who probably has lots of expertise using similar powers, was able to detect what was done to her. After Aldaris died, Raszagal claimed to be fine, and not even Zeratul and Artanis could tell anything was wrong.) And note Raynor did want to kill Mengsk, but needed him for the moment.

Assuming the image in question is Mengsk, well, he's older and stressed out. He was humiliated no less than four times in Brood War! He was beat by the UED, kidnapped by Raynor and Kerrigan (two people he has reason to hate and fear), backstabbed by Kerrigan and then defeated by her at Char. He has had to live in fear of Kerrigan for four years as a result. Of course he's stressed out! There is nothing that says dictators don't suffer stress. They take on more stress because their ego demands they take on far more responsibility than a regular ego would (although in Mengsk's case, the problem might be less ego and more a desperate desire to cling to power).

Mengsk was probably a good guy with alot of vengeance up until he managed to get an emitter. Everything went down hill from there.
I disagree with this. I think he went evil/insane with the death of his family. The psi-emitter simply enabled him to bring his dreams to reality, even though this is a nightmare for lots of other Terrans.

[apostolos]

I disagree with this. I think he went evil/insane with the death of his family. The psi-emitter simply enabled him to bring his dreams to reality, even though this is a nightmare for lots of other Terrans.This is a solid proof that Dark mirror's sig is right

[DarkMirror]

w00t.
Oh, do the DarkMirror.
And +rep.

[TitanWing]

And this is solid proof that DarkMirror's sig is right.

Rep please? *looks at him all googly anime eyed*

[DarkMirror]

...
fine.

[Skydragon222]

Guys you do realise the debate was over at the top of page 3. I wasn't here for a week and somehow you guys managed to keep arguing.

Well anyway I'm thinking of starting a new debate thread. DOes anyone here have something else they want to debate.

[Protogod]

Titanwing's sanity

[Fiendwurm]

wait i have something to say if mengsk was kerrigan would have realised this and killed mengsk or ran away not stay with him

[Protogod]

Obviously not.

[TitanWing]

Titanwing's sanity
I beg your pardon?

[apostolos]

And this is solid proof that DarkMirror's sig is right.

Rep please? *looks at him all googly anime eyed*I said that first.

[TitanWing]

I know, I was saying that to get +rep. :D

[Skydragon222]

Guys it is obvious mengsk started out on the right track. Kerrigan is a good judge of character and a psychic. If mengsk was truly evil at the beginning then Kerrigan would have left mengsk.

Also Mengsk saving Raynor, Kerrigan, Duke, and the losers from mission five wasn't entirely for greed. Raynor was a marshal who "officially" opened fire on a command center. Raynor was left to die on a planet with a small zerg army. He had a few reinforcements but thats it. Raynor was a fairly new recruit and had been in few battles. Mengsk saved him any way.

Also saving duke. Mengsk never abused Duke. He offered Duke a choice. The beurocratic Confederacy that left generals to die. Or the Sons of Korhal as a member in MEngsk's cabinet.

Duke was free to go and he chose Mengsk.

As for missions 8,9 10 of Terran.

(Just in case you forgot those are the missions with Duke, the battle of New Gettysburg and the last terran mission.

At the beggining of Mission 8 The plan was reviewed by Raynor, DUke, Mengsk, and kerrigan.

The plan was to destroy a small confederate base. SO a minor force could step in, plant the psi emitter, and leave.

Mission 8 was a pretty fun mission but also it was a little tricky. That was a small confederate base. perhaps it was about 1/100 of what they had on the planet and surrounding the planet.

So currently lets review mission 9 Kerrigan was going in being on the surface for five minutes so that shhe could plant the psi emitter and run like hell.

THe protoss interfered so that the zerg force grew larger and the confederacy no doubt had launched a counter attack.

Mengsk was getting pounded by that counter attack and stayed in till the very end.

After having destroyed the protoss base The zerg could wait no longer. The zerg were tearing through the terran base and I would like to point out none of you said that you had forces strong enough to hold back that force. (unless you have prior knowledge.)

Mengsk was being attacked by the confederacy near their base of operations. The protoss no doubt were preparing a counterattack. And the zerg were ripping apart Mengsk's forces.

Mengsk was not planning to leave Kerrigan behind. He was torn by guilt. He realized that sending in the fleet neccesary to save his forces was suicide.

It would have taken many dropships and a large fleet to protect those dropships which mengsk didn't have. If he had sent his remaining forces down to the surface he would have had them all slaughtered. ANd the evil confederacy would rein.

None of you have seen this from Mengsk's point of view. Mengsk had no way of knowing what would happen to kerrigan and had no way to stop it.

We all blame M4ngsk for Kerrigan's destruction. But what about the zerg. If kerrigan had been human would she have destroyed the universe. Mengsk had lost a lot of troops on the battle of Saint Gettysburg. But perhaps the uniting of Terrans together was something greater.

[Fiendwurm]

his argument does not phail its true there was no way to rescue kerrigain

[DarkMirror]

You know this how?

[TitanWing]

^good question.

[ecyor0]

....he just explained it. Whether Mensgk wanted to or not is irrelevant - he just couldn't have saved Sarah Kerrigan.

[Protogod]

....he just explained it. Whether Mensgk wanted to or not is irrelevant - he just couldn't have saved Sarah Kerrigan.

You have no proof of that. And a couple people said they DID survive the attack. He claimed mengsk was torn by guilt, which is a blatantly unsubstanciated assumption. It's clear he's not some impartial person who saw the argument and threw in his 2 cents. He was using emotional proof to attempt to back yo urclaim. Clearly, his argument, as was said, PH41L5. :concern:

[ecyor0]

......yeah, I can't argue with that. 1-0 to protogod (actually, it's probably more like 4-0: intellectual roundtable and all that)

[Ktan]

Tbh I don't think we can get more out of this thread than 'Mengsk was a baddy111!!!11one11!' anymore.

If anyone can make a case for there still being a debate, I'll gladly re-open it, but, until then, good night.