Kerrigan vs. Jim Raynor, the ultimate duel?

[clone98]

It has been heavily debated, will Jim Raynor kill that b-, hem, woman he has sworn to kill, or will he attempt to save her. Your thoughts on how the Kerrigan situation with Jim Raynor will end... For better (Jim Raynor saves the day, again)... or worse (the Zerg win, again)...

[sdbolts11]

In a logical storyline, Jimmy would kill her without any mercy. She is transformed now and doesn't give a care about anything but herself, not even any humans. She's worse than any of her zerg minions, so Jimmy must kill her, if someone else doesnt...

[Redhead267]

I think something will happen to Raynor, making everyone think he's dead or something, and then he will come out of no where with a large army of protoss and terran, and will attack the Zerg, and it will be a pretty even war, until Raynor finds away to destroy the Zerg, and it will come down to a tight battle between Raynor and Kerrigan, and Jimmy will win.

[West]

lol of course jimmy will win, unless blizzard plans to release an expansion pack or something.

karrigan will have an army, yada yada yada, maybe the terran and protoss
might fight eachother for a bit, then again realize than only together they can
win freedom, kerrigan maybe do something like infest zeratul or kill him,

and then Duran will intervene with (hopefully) the hybrids
and start a very kool and freakish all out war, thus making an expansion pack
for sc II

[TheListener]

I've never really understood how dealing with video game fanfiction belongs in the IR..

[Protogod]

I've never really understood how dealing with video game fanfiction belongs in the IR..

People are stupid

[SilverCrusader]

Why is this not in the StarCraft II forum anyway?
And no, Tassadar vs. Kerry would be better... oh wait, they'rd be no contest, if kerrigan couldn't kill the overmind than she stood no chance.

[clone98]

Why is this not in the StarCraft II forum anyway?


Because I couldn't find it (newb).

How do you make poll options?
So... No one thinks that Kerri will win?

[anubisfike]

Or maybe somebody else kills kerrigan and Jim is still in love with what used to be kerrigan and he then swear to kill the person who killed her!!!

[clone98]

That would be funny, but I can actually see it happening.
It's like the first campaign of SC2, the Protoss and the Terrans join forces to kill Kerrigan and exterminate the Zerg.

they do so, but in the final battle, Zeratul kills Kerrigan, Jim, pissed off, declares war on the Protoss... That would be funny

[Protogod]

it would be retarded

[anubisfike]

I mean like this (if the campaigns is similar to SC and BW) so there would be the Terran campaign as the ending campaign as the protoss in SC and zerg in BW.:o

[McNewgin]

Why is this not in the StarCraft II forum anyway?
And no, Tassadar vs. Kerry would be better... oh wait, they'rd be no contest, if kerrigan couldn't kill the overmind than she stood no chance.

Now, I may have read that wrong, but did SilverCrusader just suggest that Tassadar kills Kerrigan? Is Tassadar not dead?

[SilverCrusader]

Well, if you look closely, you would notice I used past tense. I know Tassadar is dead *cries*.

[TheDriver]

Although, (Work with me here) If say for instabce zeratul did some sort of sacrifice, he might be able to bring back fenix. More likely is that thier (fenix and tassadar's) ghosts along with tassadar with his spiritual energy,can give all three a tri-solid attack allong with an enchanted gun of some sort on raynor can peirce through some mega defense employed by kerrigan Thus killing her.

[sdbolts11]

I don't think the Protoss have the ability to bring back the dead... So ba bye to that. Anyways, Zeratul wants revenge for the death of Razsagal, although he killed her, she was brainwashed (infested?) by Kerrigan. In any case, Zeratul will want revenge. Raynor, whose good buddy Fenix was killed by Kerrigan, will want revenge too. Now Raynor has a new toss friend, Zeratul :D. They team up and kick ass. GG KERRIGAN!!!

[Holymonk]

Perhaps in the final battle between Kerry and Jim she will start to see no means of victory (as in a mortal wound or something, maybe even the area they are fighting in something falls on her crushing her legs or something like that) and reveal how she-even though infested- stil has feelings and memories of him. He will shed a tear or two and finish the job. Leaving behind all that is Kerry and keeping only what was.

[SilverCrusader]

... that'd sux
It'd be best if Blizzard resserected Tassadar, and Tassadar and Zeratul make a really kix ass twilight archon and pwn everything. Fans would like that better.

[Ktan]

Not necessarily, many fans would see that as contrived and silly, and a tad desperate.

I love those characters too, but having characters dragged out of the grave repeatedly for no good reason borders on disrespect for the character.

[AzVortez]

No no no! Read the Queen of Blades! Raynor has feelings for her, but he knows he has to kill her. Besides, i don't think its possible for a Terran to kill her.

Well, you know. Unless Blizzard makes it so.

Still, logically speaking, Kerrigan is more powerful than Raynor. He would need alot of luck, help, and more luck to actually kill her. Especially if its a face off.

I don't think Kerrigan would show mercy though.

[AzVortez]

Why is this not in the StarCraft II forum anyway?
And no, Tassadar vs. Kerry would be better... oh wait, they'rd be no contest, if kerrigan couldn't kill the overmind than she stood no chance.

The Overmind has the ability to control all Zerg. Here's how the chain of command goes:

Overmind > Kerrigan > Cerebrate > Overlord > Critters ^_^

Psychically, Kerrigan CAN kill the Overmind, but the Overmind controls Kerrigan. Her body wouldn't let her kill the Overmind, no matter how much she tried.

Btw, did I mention Kerrigan can beat Tassadar easily?
Hmm, maybe I should try that in SC.

[TitanWing]

If I went head to head with Kerry, the only thing I'd need is a flying vehicle. Preferably a wraith. :P

Think about how easy she really is to beat!

[DarkMirror]

Ensnare, cloak and psi storm.
ggnore.

[AzVortez]

Yah, we're actually going to kick the Swarms ass and chase Kerri with some airplanes.

I got shotgun!

[DarkMirror]

Read my post above yours.

[sdbolts11]

Let's roll with 20 bc's and own her ass. ggnore.

[Holymonk]

Eh like I said just a thought. In a movie perspective that sounds good dont ya think? But AzVortez is right Kerry would destroy Raynor like a bug.

[TitanWing]

Let's roll with 20 bc's and own her ass. ggnore.
UED tried that. They had 200+ BCs. Back to the drawing board.

[SilverCrusader]

one infested terran should do it, perferrably me.
And Kerry only has 50 damn energy left after cloak, ensnare, and psionic storm. She can't use any other ability, and the wraith can move out of psi storm fast enough, than she'd be screwed.
+ DA -> MC -> GG
Lets just try umm hmm, the next time she trys to enlist the help of the protoss, simply go and kill her like she did to fenix.... that bitch.... *sniffles*
FOR THE AIUR!
*explodes*
What Kerrigan?

[DarkMirror]

Any atempt to use an infested terran would result in it killing one of the few hundred zerglings that she would use as her meat shield.
And Cloak>Mind Control.
What bout detectors you say? Parasite and a bunch of mutalsiks/devourers.

[AzVortez]

Ok, but we have to be realistic here.
One, the Zerg outnumber the Protoss and the Terrans added up together.
Two, the chances of actually getting Kerri alone with 20 bcs is..

I'm tellin' you! I got shotgun! :(

Hey, i just figured out how Raynor can beat Kerri, lmao.

Raynor lays mines in areas. Then he goes after Kerri. Lures Kerri into a trap, the mines try and blow her up. Then she should have about 100 hp left. Then she cloaks (it would be pointless for her to do it in the beggning), and you run around untill her energy runs out. Then you can do that Patrol hit and run technique.

Pssst, I hear that really annoys Zealot and Zergling players :P

It's a shot, so I'm gonna go try it.

Btw, when they DO corner Kerri with 20 bcs..
I GOT SHOT GUN!!!

[DarkMirror]

But again, Kerrigan would have zerglings to soak up the hits.

[AzVortez]

cmon. Think of how many melee units you would need just to get 1 vulture (if lings didnt have leg ups, that is)

besides, i was talking about a face off :P

[clone98]

hmm... 20 bcs verses Kerri?

kind of stupid question, don't you think?

the twenty Bc's yamato her to smithereens, what then? Kerrigan's somewhat like a Cerebate, so most likely she can be reborn.

*Kerri pops up in the middle of twenty celebrating BC's*

she does her psionic storm, dies, reborn, psionic storm, dies, reborn, psionic storm, dies, reborn.

And so on, the 20 Bc's die. Unless Kerrigan can't be reborn....

[DarkMirror]

She cant. But she can cloak so the Yamatos cant hit her :)

[AzVortez]

thats the problem. how long CAN she cloak? It's kinda obvious the bcs will follow any air disturbance, untill she uncloaks. so she has about 250 seconds to run to the...

INFESTED MOTHER SHIP!!!
MWAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

[Fiendwurm]

i think that kerrigan will "uninfest" some how and every one will be happy


kerrrigan is probalby much stronger now


(duh)

[AzVortez]

you cant uninfest. you'd have to turn her into a robot to do that. and whats the point of having a robot with a brain? all the Terran buildings already have that -.-'
well, they're not exactly brains, but you get it.

hmph, reminds me of dragoons sort of.

[Fiendwurm]

no it could that (possibly) her origonal DNA might try to convert her body back into a human in a woom thing kind of like she did before. She would retain some zerg like things like sharp teeth.

[AzVortez]

ok, technically what your talking about is possible. DNA reconstruction, right?

Here's the problem. DNA is so small, its numbers are huge. to change Kerri back into human by DNA processing would talk years. I'm not kidding, centuries, maybe even an millenium. Besides, she wouldn't consent to it. And you can't do it without her consent. She'd just kill the scientist. If the Protoss had the tech to do that, they would. But they don't. So only Terrans are capable of that, and the chances of that happening to her are zero. Her only chance at what your talking about is either the Xel'Naga or one of the Hybrid Kings, or whoevers at the top of the chain with the Hybrids.

Um, can I also say that the Xel'Naga are extinct (well, as its said. No one knows for sure), and the Hybrid hate her?

[Protogod]

Revivification is already sc canon. Knowing wtf you're talking about, ftw:

Stukov's most recent appearance was in Resurrection IV, a secret map in the Nintendo 64 version of StarCraft. In this mission, Artanis revealed that Zerg Cerebrate Kaloth had reanimated Stukov, who was now in charge of his own Zerg Brood on Braxis. However, Stukov was weak, which was reflected in the power of the Brood.

Artanis sent James Raynor and Taldarin, a very old Protoss Dragoon, along with a small Terran force (taken from Raynor's Raiders) and a small Protoss force, down to the surface with a high-tech nanite serum which could reverse the infestation process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Stukov

[TheDriver]

*Ahem* It would be quite plausible. With the use of one strong psionic energy source. And if you bothered to read they were fighting in spirit not in actuality.But zeratul acted as a psionic channel so there attacks took a physical form.

[TitanWing]

But again, Kerrigan would have zerglings to soak up the hits.
And where may I ask, did someone say Kerri gets to start out with lings? Do you know how many people fight in a duel?

Two.:shiftyl:

[Fiendwurm]

i thing that kerrigain is the kind of person thats fight in the front lines (look at all the campains before) and if she wwon't she can

[AzVortez]

no. Kerrigan is very afraid of dying. She only goes on the battlefield as a show of good faith towards her 'allies'. however, if she doesnt need to be there, she wont.

I'm the Queen Bitch of the Universe

you really think a Queen is going to risk her neck in war?

[Fiendwurm]

no but she can fight if she needs to witch is unlikely

[AzVortez]

no but she can fight if she needs to witch is unlikely
your just repeating what i said -.-

[TitanWing]

My point is, that in theory this is a 1on1 between Kerri and Jim. No ling fodder or banana peels to interupt.

[Protogod]

1v1, kerri wins.

[deadlyfighter10]

Dang,i was gonna suggest that a banna peel was there and kerri slipped and fell in the lava.Im so smart :D.But really,kerri would win.She has all her abilities and jimmy can only stick a needle in himself.And when she lost abit of health she can just cloak and heal.

[Thedutchjelle]

Kerrigan wins.
She corrupted that matriarch of the protoss by just STAYING near it, she barely spoke to her. She masterminded like the whole Broodwar exp.

And stop please talking like 'but raynor has 5 dmg and kerri 100 hp and blahblah..' . Try to think in terms of reality and not in stats (which will be al different in SC 2 anyway)

[ClintonM]

Realisticly?

I'm pretty sure a shotgun or firebat vs. Kerrigan would kill her, so that pretty much means ANYONE could kill her. Energy weapons obviously wouldn't work against her because of the bug carapace, so there's no way the Protoss could kill her.

"Hey, I see something moving like it's invisible over there pa!"
"Oh sunny boy, I'll shoot it with my shotgun"
BANG!
"You got it! Her head's rolling on the ground"
"Yep!" *spits in spittoon*

So yeah, "realistically" I could kill Kerrigan...

[Protogod]

Wait, so you're saying a shotgun can own her, but a plasma blast wont?

WRONG!

[TitanWing]

Run her over with a lawnmower...villains suck, they always lose. THUS, Jimmy wins.

[SilverCrusader]

yeah, titan is right.

[ClintonM]

Who's to say Kerrigan's a villian though?

Remember, good/evil comes from different perspectives.

Although the zerg are different doesn't make them evil. In war there is no good/evil ;). Kerry's a villian to terran/protoss, but she's a hero for the Zerg ^^.

[DarkMirror]

Also, remeber that she is INCREDIBLY SUPERHUMAN, so a shotgun, no.

[Thedutchjelle]

@Clinton

I think that if the whole universe is after you, and if you killed like all the important heroes of all races, ye, you can be considered evil.

[ClintonM]

That, or just a good soldier actually doing their job ;).

[AzVortez]

lol. ok, im going to list out pros for each unit

Raynor Rine Pros:

Stim
Stronger Kick
Stronger Punch
Improved Gauss Rifle
Improved Jump
Suit Utilities (Infared, Wind Direction, Internal Computer)

Raynor Vulture Pros:

Launches Grenades
Can run you over
Lays spider mines (detects cloaked units)
More health

Kerrigan Pros:

Cloak
Ensnare
Psi Storm (or w/e its called)
Claws
Ability to fly (wings combined with psychic powers)
8 'arms' to fight with (2 real arms, 6 wings)
Regeneration
Slashes
Psionic Powers

If it was Raynor Rine vs Kerri, Kerri would most definatly win. She can cleanly slice Raynor in half, and can cover the distance with a quick psionic sprint (sorta like the sc2 zealots)

If it was Raynor Bike vs Kerri, Kerri might win. Because of fragmentation grenades, she'll have to spend her energy on defensive shields (yes, she should have shields because she is psionic after all. Ghosts don't because their psionic abilities are in a different catagory) instead, so she cant sprint. She can withstand infantry attack, but grenades go with a bang :P Most likely on her way towards raynor, raynor will plant a spider mine, giving her enough time to sprint somewhat a distance towards raynor. Once there, Kerri will slice at the bikes grenade launcher, that way disabling his bikes ability to launch grenades. The spider mine will come up, and blow the bike up and blow kerri away. (Raynor doesnt die, Kerri doesnt die either) Kerrigan will have to regenerate, and Raynor will have to wait untill he's concious again. So, while he's unconcious, Kerri can kill Raynor :D

Although the fastest way would've been to just use psi storm and focus all the storms energy into Raynor, instead of doing an AoE. Woulda been killed in one shot.
so there you have it boys and girls, Kerri owns Raynor
The only way i can think of Kerri dying to a Terran is if they either mass infantry and Mech for a couple minutes on kerri when she DOESNT have any backup, or if a couple Sci-V irraditates her. Or raynor could just blow her to pieces if a Sci-V emp's her and then he launches a grenade towards her and it hits her in a vital organ or so.
As for the Protoss, they have a better chance at killing her because they too posess psionic powers. 3 Zealots would do, if they could get close enough to Kerri without interferance.

Kerrigan wins.
She corrupted that matriarch of the protoss by just STAYING near her

if you played the full Zerg campaigns, you would know that they actually kidnapped her, 'then' infested her. Remember that one where you have to blow up all those pylons and bring Duran to each one to overload them? That's the distraction they made so the Protoss would bring their forces there, thus leaving the Matriach unprotected. After kidnapping her, Zeratul and a small force chased after her, and when they met face to face, Kerri brought the Matriach to Zeratul, and showed him she was already infested. Quickly, Zeratul had the Matriach MC'd, and they stole her away. When Kerri tried to get her back, Zeratul realized that it was impossible to reverse the infestation, so he killed her.

not sure if Zeratul kidnapped her back or not part, but i do know she was infested by a queen, not kerri, and that zeratul did kill her personally (the matriach of course)

[Protogod]

No, kerri cannot have shields. Protoss have shield GENERATORS powered by their psi. Kerrigan cannot simply manifest shielding around herself.

[ClintonM]

So basically, Kerry didn't kill ONE of your favorite heroes? ;).

Guess she's not so bad after all...

Also, does it really matter who would win? Lets just wait and see how it plays out in SC2 ^^. Arguing in this thread is pointless.

[Thedutchjelle]

if you played the full Zerg campaigns, you would know that they actually kidnapped her, 'then' infested her. Remember that one where you have to blow up all those pylons and bring Duran to each one to overload them? That's the distraction they made so the Protoss would bring their forces there, thus leaving the Matriach unprotected. After kidnapping her, Zeratul and a small force chased after her, and when they met face to face, Kerri brought the Matriach to Zeratul, and showed him she was already infested. Quickly, Zeratul had the Matriach MC'd, and they stole her away. When Kerri tried to get her back, Zeratul realized that it was impossible to reverse the infestation, so he killed her.

not sure if Zeratul kidnapped her back or not part, but i do know she was infested by a queen, not kerri, and that zeratul did kill her personally (the matriach of course)

True, but IIRC she was already showing signs of infestation long before the kidnapping, in the Broodwar Protoss campaign. Aldaris knew and he got killed for that.

[Protogod]

no. Dutch, you're wrong. The judicator caste just hated dark templars in general.

[AzVortez]

she was already showing signs of infestation long before the kidnapping, in the Broodwar Protoss campaign. Aldaris knew and he got killed for that.

replay the campaign again.

[TitanWing]

Dutch is right. YOU re-play the campaign.

[Protogod]

Dutch is right. YOU re-play the campaign.

Dutch is wrong. Period. Are we done now?

[TitanWing]

They hint at it in levels 6 and 7. Are we done now?

[Protogod]

I;m goin throught the whole Protoss campaign, and all i'm seeing is that she's naive, and doesnt know kerrigan. I'm not seeing any real "evil"

Yes - they mention something's wrong, but you cant say she's infested yet.

Okay - I just hit "The Countdown" (level 9 was it?) and I see what you mean. They actually mention the idea of kerrigan corrupting her there. GGnore, :'(

[TitanWing]

Level 7*

Zeratul comments to Artanis and the Executor about how Raszagal has been behaving differently than he's know her too.

In level 6, Zeratul thinks it's uncharacteristic for Raszagal to so quickly decide to remove Aldaris.

[AzVortez]

whatever -.-
i dont have my SC cd with me now anyways (and wont have it for about another month or so)

[ClintonM]

You guys are almost as bad as trek fans now... You're WAY off topic and are arguing about the plot of a game.

Raynor would win because in reality idc how "superhuman" you are, if someone throws a grenade at you and it explodes on you you're pretty much dead or missing enough body parts to not count as a threat anymore.

[Protogod]

Level 7*

level 9. The countdown. Zeratul says something is clouding her mind.

<- wins

[TitanWing]

^fails
<-wins
Did you fail kindergarten math? There's only 8 fucking levels in the Protoss BW campaign! ggnore

[DarkMirror]

Kerrigan wins. I dont care how powerfull a grneade is, if it hits a creature with both telekenisis and a super hard ExoSkeleton, it wont hurt them very much. Hell, they would probobly just throw it back with thier minds.

[TitanWing]

What good is telekenisis if you get blown up by a grenade?:smirk:

Besides, since when did Kerri have telekenisis?

[ClintonM]

Like I said, it's pointless to argue.

Arguing over the internet is like the special olympics, no matter who wins you're STILL retarded.

wtf is ggnore anyway? Just another special olympics medal?

STOP ARGUING OVER STARCRAFT! ^^

[TheDriver]

Couldn't Kerrigan be rebirthed again if there were enough pieces? I highly doubt that it would happen, but still ;)
and @ Clinton GGnore= Good Game no remake which origanted from the term ggnormpls (good game no remake please) which is commonly used if a player during a sc/other online game is deafeated it can be used both ways for a defeat or victory.

Also @ Clinton were not arguing were Discussing it intensely, but I do agree , it has been taken a tad bit off the road.


@Titan. Im pretty sure it would never was actually mentenioned ingame that she had telekinetic powers but, she did have some psionicpowers that could have evolved into some sort of telekinisis and in theory a mystical power like telekinisis could blow up a grenade /decapitate ppls / etc. but then again the mystical polwers of a cookie could do the same thing as well.



Theoretically .

[sdbolts11]

I wanna see Raynor come in with a whole bike gang of vultures and blow the shit out of Kerrigan. That would be the best level and/or cinematic xD
GGNORE u dam zerg bastard.

[Ktan]

I'm going to agree with Clinton here.

There are too many variables to really tell. Luck and other such things can imbalance a fight.

For example, in Kill Bill, the Bride is easily surpassed by the crazy assassin girl in the employ of Lucy Lui's character, but survives the conflict mainly due to the luck of a chair leg being nearby.