What maps might you make/remake in SC2?

[Hariku]

I want to remake the classic game of Normandy Invasion.

[TitanWing]

The WGT mappack and a few of my best maps. :D

Aerial Combat!

[Tenebrae]

A custom campaign introducing my race concept the Ophidian. If any of you remember the Abyssian or Decayith...it's the same race heh. I know...I change their name a lot.

I even got someone who can model them out and skin em for me.

hmm...

I'll actually be able to make that story I posted, in the creative concepts section, into a map now that I think about it... That'll be interesting.

[SilverCrusader]

I'd try to break the editor :D making my Cyber Wars Chaos.

[U-238]

I wouldn't try to break the editor...


I WILL break the editor. ;)

I'd like to see an SC2 version of AvP Total War. Great map that can keep you occupied for hours.

[DarkMirror]

I would try to make a Stargate Diplo, or a remake of my cuyrrent hybrid Stargate Diplo/RPG.

[SilverCrusader]

you know how hard it will be to break the editor?

[Tenebrae]

Hmm...

I do hope it's extremely hard...I need to create a space distortion with a black hole within the center that drawls in cosmic energy in the form of shifting tendrils of raw energy that, upon contact, destroy any unit as they shift about the space distortion.

[DarkMirror]

Constant spanw of a black hole combined with phoniex overload?

[AzVortez]

SUPA REAPER WITH BC GUNS!! MWAHAHAHAHAHA

lol.

[Tenebrae]

Constant spanw of a black hole combined with phoniex overload?

The black hole is a given, but the energy tendrils are going to be what's hard. The Phoniex Overload ability won't be nearly enough... I want them about as large as a BC.

Most likely they'll have to be new models entirly and counted as independent from the space distortion. I also have to have the black hole slowly grow over time...

[PaiN]

Reapers that shoot blackholes.

lol actually thats not to hard but that wud b sweet.

[SilverCrusader]

spam?
Anyway, yet that is possible, I plan on making a real cool map :D.

[3Vee]

I'll just use other people's maps kthanx. ;)

For the sake of not starting yet another thread, I'll just throw my question in here: what sort of features do you expect new maps to have? I have a feeling that just copying old maps over would result in imbalanced maps, what with new cliff-climbing units etc., but mapping is not my thing, so I'm curious.

Would you guys who make maps be changing things, or do you think all the changes to the units just balance out and leave major changes to map structure unnecessary?

[DarkMirror]

Were most likly talking about remaking UMS maps.

[AzVortez]

i thought we were talking about maps, not a specific type.

anyways, about terrain:

cliffs might have to be changed to water, so those big-arse walkin units cant just walk up those cliffs and shoot ur base to death (i.e. the collossus, and T3H 1337 W@LK!NZ |3UNK@Z11!!)

lol.

[Diege]

I think a D.O.A style map in which instead of controlling a single hero you control a specialized team of heroes. When a Hero dies it re-spawns via Drop ship, Phase Prism, or Nydus wyrm respectively. You troops don't gain levels but kills give you Vespene that you use to upgrade attributes and abilities. ... And stuff... One ability would be a Psi disruptor that calls all Zerg to its location.

Hey what kinda crazy maps you trying to make that would break the editor. As is you could practically do anything you wanted with the Warcraft III editor just took some work.

[Protogod]

Walkers can cross water if its not too thick

[AzVortez]

now thats cool.
i cannot stress enough..
THE WALKING BUNKA!

well, this new 'IK' system thing is starting to sound intresting.

Btw Diege, that idea is awesome. I just think it would take lots of balance work.

[Serban]

Falling Tiles :D

[AzVortez]

falling tiles?

[PrestonBurke]

Cerebrates, defiantly that map. Either that or Evolves.

Then I might tackle my own version of LT.

[SilverCrusader]

Eh, I'd definatly throw in a super complex battle system with over 200 different skills.

[AzVortez]

i wanna see what new maps blizzard coems up with. if they dont add any new ones, i will be so pissed.

[TitanWing]

Of course they'll make new maps. That's a given.

[AzVortez]

hope they remake Paranoid Andrioid. i love that map. Azeala and Gaia too.

[DarkMirror]

Yeah, difinitly the Stargate hybrid diplo/RPG map I'm making now.

[Neo]

i wanna see a kickass evolves, golems, and possibly a sort of like footie frenzy but totally starcraft'ed up and stuff.

Altered Starcraft was kinda fun, i f not insanely imbalanced, heh.

I'd like to see some more 5vs3insane computer type maps, since those were so fun.

But mainly evolves or another madness, like bunker wars or something. The old classics, those were so very fun.

edit: maps i'd like to see, I doubt i'd remake any :p

-Neo

[AzVortez]

hope they remake all the wcg maps, if not any new ones. maybe they'll have to alter them because of the 'IK' system thing.

[battlecruiser12]

EVOLVES!!!

or my new game, Bloody Mess Defense!

[pytum]

hunters, fastest map, tarpit, cat and mouse, 20000 hydras hard, marine defense, turret defense, wheel of war

builders and fighters, dirty tank defenders, can you stop one unit, jail break x

[DarkMirror]

Theres something called an edit button. USE IT.

[TitanWing]

There's also something called the report button.

[DarkMirror]

Woah? I just noticed he wants to make dirty tank defenders.
Thats just not cool here.

[TitanWing]

Hehe, remember that llama guy? :D

[DarkMirror]

Duplicate account? The mods should look into that.

[TitanWing]

It's a possibility...

[Ktan]

Pytum is a user from SC.org and is not a clone account, I ran an IP check.

Now, can we talk about maps now?

[Faiien]

great melee maps are always a plus love it when theres a ramp and 2 zeals and 1 goon can hold against group of lings lolness

[pytum]

my own maps that i had already created... simple as that lol:cool:
(melee maps, modified turrets defense [in my own way :)])


but i would like to see random unit battle on sc2

[sdbolts11]

Are your maps good, pytum? Let me see them. Anyways, Lost Temple and Luna and other maps like that are pretty good. They should be remade.

[TitanWing]

The problem is (which was said somewhere else in here I believe) that those maps probably won't be balanced in SC2 like they were in SC1.

I'll remake them if I think they're playably balanced.

[gamer102]

LOL from Warcraft III Dota SC style, i would laugh my @s off if someone made a dota map for sc, and for those who dont know what dota is...

http://www.dota-allstars.com


and generally, for maps, warcraft III had triggers having to do with life and mana, NOW, theres going to be more triggering becuase you have to deal with functions for life, SHEILD, AND mana.

but i'd make one for like td's bomberman (oh yeah)

i think i'll work on a small movie using all kinds of cinimatic triggering..

[Sento]

i will make... THE FIRST RP MAP!!!
And, start work on my own campaign, with my own story on what could've happened after SC 1;name SC II: The Hybrid Wars

[Fiendwurm]

i want to see sand castle wars come back, i'm asumming that sand castle wars is an example of breaking the editor...

the map that i would make...WATERCRAFT

[JarquaFelmu]

I'd like to see Space Pirate War RPG remade, that was an awesome map. I still have it if anyone wants to play.

[Protogod]

I'd like to see Strategic Warfare make a return.

And Diplo

[SilverCrusader]

They all sucked, horribly, all of the lazy mappers stole the terrain from 1 single map for diplos.

[TitanWing]

Micro Tournys and Imposs Scenarios!

[Protogod]

Aerial Combat?

[TitanWing]

I said that on like page 1. :P

[Protogod]

Lol, how about RickRoll.scx

[TitanWing]

Never played it...made by Musty, right?

[Protogod]

Musty/heinermann.

It's a troll map, much like when grandpas attack.

[Ktan]

Lol, how about RickRoll.scx

Maybe, if the editor is like the WC III editor, someone could actually mod in a dancing 'Rick Astley' model.

That would just double up the greatness of the map :P

[SilverCrusader]

you could be able to do the entire music video that way !!!

[Protogod]

Maybe, if the editor is like the WC III editor, someone could actually mod in a dancing 'Rick Astley' model.


Ahh, but can we do the random fence bouncing black man?

[Ktan]

Just use Tychus Findlay

[JarquaFelmu]

How would people like to see the Zone Controls come back? I remember that those were pretty fun.

[IceSkirt]

Zone Controls were pretty cool but I got bored of 'em quickly.

[Protogod]

I jsut realised impossible scenarios are gonna be kind of hard to make now, cuz of 3d. Now you cant play with the terrain you could before...

[JarquaFelmu]

Not to mention just 3d terrain proto, but also the new units like reaper and Colossi who would just walk up the cliffs. Hmm... I wonder what the zerg equivalent would be.

[Fiendwurm]

Not to mention just 3d terrain proto, but also the new units like reaper and Colossi who would just walk up the cliffs. Hmm... I wonder what the zerg equivalent would be.

you should be able to turn off that ablity... i want to see a few zombie games just so i have some thing to do when i'm bored + tug of war

[SilverCrusader]

I know one map that shouldn't be made is fastest, and with any luck, stacking won't be allowed.

[Protogod]

People will make fastest, regardless. Yellow mins and mass selection of units/buildings.

Ugh.

[JarquaFelmu]

Yeah those yellow mins with their double or so collection rate will definitely set off a whole new style of fastest maps. Even if stacking isn't allowed you can bet that they will be there.

[Basan]

I jsut realised impossible scenarios are gonna be kind of hard to make now, cuz of 3d. Now you cant play with the terrain you could before...

What you're forgetting is that now you can mod units to your desires. For instance I believe that you'll be able to tweak a Colossi to walk only (read, no cliff crossing). That and for example make it with solely AA weaponry that shoots Turret like missiles if you wanted. ;)

[lilsniper]

What you're forgetting is that now you can mod units to your desires. For instance I believe that you'll be able to tweak a Colossi to walk only (read, no cliff crossing). That and for example make it with solely AA weaponry that shoots Turret like missiles if you wanted. ;)
Chances are it will actually be better, but if the Starcraft 2 Scumeditor is anywhere near as good as the Warcraft 3 Worldeditor, the possibilities are nearly indefinite. And with my high standards for Blizzard, my expectations will be nothing less than ideal. Sure, maybe I am being too optimistic, but needless to say, I am quite confident in this upcoming game.

[SilverCrusader]

No... you're wrong.
Flip that statement around:
If the WCIII editor is anywhere near what SCII editor is.

[Protogod]

If the WCIII editor is anywhere near what SCII editor is.

Which I hope it isn't because the WC3 editor was shit. For all its power and versatility, the damned thing was impossible to use, because of how complex and intricate they made even the simplest commands.

[ClintonM]

Considering that SC2 will be SOOO different, every current map will be unbalanced in some way except for Crystals: Age of War, I'll just have to re balance them and it will end up being a better map than it already is :D. As well as some terrain changes to add even more strategy ;). And obviously the Mass attack system would be changed to something similar to what I've put together in WC3 :D.

[TitanWing]

Just your map? :concern:

[SilverCrusader]

I've been holding off lots of map ideas due to the limits of the SC editor, so..

[Neo]

I've been holding off lots of map ideas due to the limits of the SC editor, so..

Err, limits? They game isn't even finalized yet and your talking about editor limits? o.o;;

-Neo

[TitanWing]

He was talking about SC1. -.-

[pytum]

i will remake my maps that i have already made... :]

[SilverCrusader]

Yeah, I was talking about SC1, if SC2 wasn't ever announced I'd attempt to make them using SCMDraft 2.

[vIsitor]

I hope they remake Chrysalis and Island Hop.

<gets stares>

What? I can't even like the classics anymore?

[TitanWing]

I hate Chrystallis, but Island Hop is fun...except for those stupid mineral-onlys...

[Twitch6000]

i will remake my maps that i have already made... :]

ame here but,only my good maps and I am going to talk to Oo.ViC.oO about remaking
Path Defense 1 and 2 ;).I also have a idea for sc2 all ready muwhahahahha.

[AzVortez]

has any1 realized because of the new units and settings in SC2 that some of your FAVORITE maps wont be exactly your FAVORITE maps anymore?

[DarkMirror]

HAs anyopne realized that with the UNIT EDITOR, thery can still be so?

[TitanWing]

HAs anyopne realized that with the UNIT EDITOR, thery can still be so?
...reword that so I can understand please?

[DarkMirror]

SC 2 will have an editor better than WC3's. Thus, you can edit units. Thus, you can make any map have exactly the same mechanics it had before. Thus, they will still be the same.

[TitanWing]

Ah, thanks. :)

Your first post had a lot of typos and weird grammar so yeah...

[DarkMirror]

Sorry, was in a rush to get the phone.

[Serban]

DotA, definately :P

[TitanWing]

Hmph, good luck there.

[Protogod]

Hmm, Incident-18 anyone?

kekekekeke

[TeknoHitokiri]

I actually like the background planet in the original demo. It would be great if you had different backgrounds 2 choose 4 your map.

Imagine a user assigned background in the maps (Hellboy in the background for the "Diablo" map in SC....sweet!)

[DarkMirror]

I want everyone to get this into their heads. I noticed a lot of people didnt catch this before.

The editor will allow you to make any unit you really want, just about. Thus, you could in theory remake ANY map that exists in SC, and a gazillion more.

[TitanWing]

Link or it didn't happen, I haven't seen any mention of a unit creator...unless you're just saying that SC units will be in the SC2 editor.

[DarkMirror]

No, its been said that it will have an editor better than WC3's. Ergo, you can edit units into anything you want, and i belive make new ones.

[TitanWing]

Just because the editor will be better doesn't mean it will include <insert feature here>. You said you would be able to make any unit you want, but Blizzard has never said such a thing.

[Protogod]

More importantly, the claim that you can make "any map" in sc is false, because I doubt that a 3D environment would be capable of dealing with square terrain, given the nature of a square as a 2 dimensional shape, and the nature of 3d being, well, three dimensional.

[DarkMirror]

WC3 editor, from what I have heard, is basically a rather advanced modding program. From what I have heard, it can make new units. Ergo, SC2 would have it too.

Correct me if I'm wrong about the editing abilities of WC3.

EDIT:
Oh, and about 3-D terrain? Couldnt you just use verticle-horizontal terrain, instead of diagonal? Wouldnt that, if used right, replicate square terrain?

Oh, and there would be nop reason to use Square terrain now that you caNB place terrain on verticle-horizontal.

[TitanWing]

Yeah, square terrain is pointless in 3D. We can place terrain vertically.

[Ktan]

Titan, you're arguing semantics. If it's an improvement over the WC III editor, why would it remove one of the biggest advances of the programme (ie, Unit Editor abilities)?

Hell, even SC1's editor had very rudimentary unit editor abilities. Basically, from the sounds of it, SCUMEdit is going to be WCIII World Editor +++, so it's rather sensible to assume that this will result in a Unit editing capacity.

[DarkMirror]

In other words: I was right, you were wrong. Na na na na na! :) (JK)

[TitanWing]

In other words: I was right, you were wrong. Na na na na na! :) (JK)
Since you failed to give me a link, I'd disagree.

[DarkMirror]

Once more... Why would they get rid of an already existing feature in a more recent game?

[AzVortez]

the only reason to that would be because its horrible. which is unlikely

[DarkMirror]

Exactly. Its an amazing feature, and its sure to be included. I don't have the link, but I know that Blizz has said that the new Editor will be better than WC3.

[pytum]

Imagine tarpit and heavens last defence in sc2, holy crap!

and you might used almost all the cut units of starcraft 2 (like soul hunter and tempest), and there is a posibility to found them in the single player campaing

source: 23rd karune batch

[DarkMirror]

I must note that no such thing was ever said, but you could be right.

[neobowman]

Astrogears. With a simpler tutorial that beginners would actually listen to.

[SilverCrusader]

The editor will be 10x better than WC's one.

[gamer102]

First, I will try to mod the editor using MPQ Master, if Blizzard is still using the MPQ format.

I will make DOTA!

If not then i will make a crazy bound.

[Thedutchjelle]

I don't really see why you want to mod the editor, since you can already basicly do everything with it.

[gamer102]

I don't really see why you want to mod the editor, since you can already basicly do everything with it.


I mod it for protection of my prized maps, example.

I can add in another GUI trigger by opening some trigger data files, then running the modded WE, I can add it in, and if anyone opens the map without my exact mod, they will get an error saying "function doesn't exist". The upside to this is that I can open it and save it without having to "protect" it with third party programs.

Secondly, I've modded my WE just to make it easier to code with GUI from JASS based coding. Say I have to register the "Player leaves" event for every player, that can take some time, along with any other complex trigger. Now, I modded my WE to have just one "Any Player Leaves" in the GUI, I just have to add the JASS coding to the backend of the map, but it saves so much time just typing all the custom script arguments. Example.

I have a custom function... DoSpellOnUnit( unit u).

In My GUI, I have a function like that, and clicking the "unit" argument works just like it would normally.



I bet Blizzard would have the SCWE just like the WCWE because of the time it probably took to make it... They are probably going to get the old source code, re-do some of it, keep the basics, and improve it.

[Polkaman]

It'd be cool if they remade the Starcraft and Starcraft Brood War campaign maps for SC2, imagine the strategy differences! AND NEW UNIT STUFF!

[gamer102]

It'd be cool if they remade the Starcraft and Starcraft Brood War campaign maps for SC2, imagine the strategy differences! AND NEW UNIT STUFF!


You could probably do that with the editor if you went through the campaigns and did every detail, but I think some missions involve a queen in air based scenarios, so that wouldn't work.

[DarkMirror]

Uhm... IIRC, the editor will have all the old SC and SC: BW units in it. So yeah, you could remake the campaign.

[gamer102]

What!? No way... Are you serious? What does IIRC mean? (If I read Correctly)?

[DarkMirror]

If I Remember Correctly.

[Jaxander]

At the risk of sounding egocentric, I'd make a catch-all Shadow Syndicate RPG Map, with old characters taking on new unit types, and of course with an all new, kick-ass story!

[neobowman]

I'd really like to see monty hall using special high yield minerals as part of its design.

[Polkaman]

Defence Games.
Re-Creating My -=(_Y Defence 1.1_)=- and Weak Defence.

[intranetusa]

Recreating all my maps - Trojan War, Commando Ops I & II, and my March UMS contest map...

[Polkaman]

Bounds would be sweet

[Protogod]

Bounds would be sweet


Actually, they might not.

There won't be square terrain, because sc2 is 3D instead of tile palette. Also, since it will be in 3d, the death animations and sprites used will either be unusable or not exist (respectively.)

Bounds will probably have to be done in a totally different style than we are used to.

[DarkMirror]

Why would you need square terrain? That was always just a silly attempt to make vertical/horizontal terrain. The new editor can do that by itself, and make it look 10x better.

[West]

i would try and convince GgG-Criminal to recreate Diplomacy Gold Edition.
then i would try and convince 0blivion to create an rp game.

[gamer102]

Actually, they might not.

There won't be square terrain, because sc2 is 3D instead of tile palette. Also, since it will be in 3d, the death animations and sprites used will either be unusable or not exist (respectively.)

Bounds will probably have to be done in a totally different style than we are used to.Yep, but you can create units and then blow them up again, that would be achievable. The downside to the new trigger system is that it's just way easier to set a location around the unit and then tell the unit to patrol, or just have a global trigger that destroys X unit within Y range of Z unit. The current bound system would have to change.

[DarkMirror]

Why use units? Just use explosion or trap models, like in WC3.

[NoobOfLore]

If you use units to build a wall, it might work. invisible units would be good.
Perhaps put up some colossus around the edges and have them beam down any approaching enemies. they're tall, easy to see, and have a short enough range to usually avoid shooting at players that have no idea they are there.

[DarkMirror]

What is that in regard to?

[Fiendwurm]

I would make a future Diplomacy RP.

[NoobOfLore]

I was speaking in general avoidance, using colossus as a wall to kill units seems like a pretty good Idea. And since they can move, you could make some cool effects that way.

[Fiendwurm]

Wait you could bound using colossusi! Have them attack one point on the ground, you have to run past the point in between shots.

[NoobOfLore]

I don't know whether or not you can tell units to attack ground(wtf why not? you could in WC2). Even if so, it seems like an ability for the siege tank, not the colossus. Unlikely to have the applicable for the colossus.

[DarkMirror]

Then just mod the Colossus to be able to for that map. Duh.

[masterofhobbiton]

Or have them attack burrowed roaches with changed regen rates so they heal faster that they get hurt. Since the colossus does that sideways-line splash anyway it'll be just like attacking ground b/c you won't see the roaches.

[DarkMirror]

Or we can cut out the middleman and mod the unit. Honestly, people here are thinking to much along the lines of Starcraft mapping, and not enough along the lines of Warcraft 3 mapping.

[NoobOfLore]

Ty Mirror, we do need to remember how much more open our options are in SC2.
Yes, If we can just mod the unit to let it attack ground, it will be simpler, however, those with little/no modding skills will have difficulty, thus making the extra steps necessary.

[DarkMirror]

My hope is that SC2 will combine both the SC-type editor with the WC3-type editor, allowing for easy ways to modify things. Doodads could either have a footprint to make them easily placed, or freestyle, and units could have a basic template that could be edited or a more advanced one with more things to change.

It would be a very, very useful system, and make mapping easier than in WC3, while having a greater level of flexibility.

This is all just what I hope for, of course. Hope it happens. And if it did, I imagine it would be very simple to go into the collossus unit, and check a little flag that lets it "target anywhere".

[Basan]

To be frank the easiest part that I 'mastered' in the WC3-TFT editor was the Object Editor (F6 short cut key) that revolved around modding units, heroes, objects and such. ;)
Imho, the triggering part is a lot more extensive and less intuitive than its SC-BW counterpart which many times lead me to some migraines while trying to pull off some triggers that were quite easy to do in the older game. The potential is far greater than in SC-BW but it isn't as simple to understand when you're fiddling around it in your initial times at the World Editor, which eventually leads to less people willing to spend their time grasping it (me included, sadly) due to the huge amount of time required to get the fundamentals. A issue that also inadvertently compels users away from it and therefore not making the WC3-TFT so wide spread as SC-BW is/was. :(

[Dem0nS1ayer]

The first defense map for SC2... STARCRAFT 2 DEFENSE!!!! :D

[Sento]

the easiest thing in the WCIII editor was terrain and unit placement. I couldnt get a single trig or modded unit to work right.. here's hopin SCII is understandable for us commoners :)

i hope RP and DnD maps continue on into SCII...

[DarkMirror]

Modding units was easy once I got the damn editor to work without crashing on my old, old comp. I added in the Orc dude with the flamethrower.

[Sikawtic]

I hope tux makes an awesome RPG.