Halo 2 ?

[austinjrex]

So I have been reading GameInformer and they speak very highly about halo 2 what do you guys think on the matter at hand. I hope it will be really good online.

[Battlecruiser]

It will be the best game ever. I think Halo is the best game right now and Halo 2 is better than Halo so it is going to be the best game ever in my opinion. Oh yeah, if anyone has any questions about Halo or Halo 2, ask me. I know alot about both games and the stories.

[Frattimonde]

It seems cool but, I have really been looking forward to Doom3.

The Ultimate Doom was propably my most favored game, and I even play It still when I just want to have plain simple fun.

[Modred]

There is some tough competition out for FPS games.

Halo 2, Half-Life 2, and Doom 3 are all impressive, but I think the two PC games will probably outshine Halo 2 simply because they are on PC. That doesn't mean they will be better games, they will just look better due to the power available on a PC that can't be harnessed in the current Xbox system (Xbox2 anyone?).

I had really high expectations for HL 2, but it's starting to look as though Doom 3 will rule supreme over them all.

[Grom_Icecream]

Your most likely correct good sir. I am of the opinion PC shooters outshine console for the sole reason that you can use a mouse. I just cant aim using those stupid analog sticks.

Anyway, im hoping Doom3 is good because the other games were awesome when they first came out. Also hoping its not too much like the resident evil franchise because they piss me off. Im betting Half life two will have a better story though which really makes a game for me.

[austinjrex]

Yeah halo is like the only thing that is keeping Xbox alive right now. They don't have any other good series for there console. And Halo 2 needs to be on more systems too. In my opinion I think that Unreal Tournament 2004 is the best pc game. But I guess will see here soon enough.

[Battlecruiser]

Yeah halo is like the only thing that is keeping Xbox alive right now. They don't have any other good series for there console. And Halo 2 needs to be on more systems too. In my opinion I think that Unreal Tournament 2004 is the best pc game. But I guess will see here soon enough.
I want the Halo series to stay for X-box only. That way more people will buy X-boxes.

[Carnage]

LOL. Holy shit. Doom 3. Baddies climbing on the walls and what not. <drools profusely>

^^

[BlackHawk]

Yeah halo is like the only thing that is keeping Xbox alive right now. They don't have any other good series for there console. And Halo 2 needs to be on more systems too. In my opinion I think that Unreal Tournament 2004 is the best pc game. But I guess will see here soon enough.

The only good series for Xbox? Are you kidding me? Xbox has tons of good games besides Halo (although it may be the mother of them) for instance: Full Specturm Warrior, Project Gotham Racing, Splinter Cell, many of the Sports Series, Rainbow Six series, etc. and that's just naming a couple!

[Battlecruiser]

The only good series for Xbox? Are you kidding me? Xbox has tons of good games besides Halo (although it may be the mother of them) for instance: Full Specturm Warrior, Project Gotham Racing, Splinter Cell, many of the Sports Series, Rainbow Six series, etc. and that's just naming a couple!
But splinter cell is not an X-box exclusive. Is it?

[BlackHawk]

But splinter cell is not an X-box exclusive. Is it?

Meh, still owns. 'Nuff said.

[Uuugggg]

I just have to but in here, to say that the geniuses behind Halo, the guys at Bungie, ten years ago created Marathon, the best FPS of the time (and still entertaining), a mac-only game, and the precursor to Halo.
Since then, Microsoft has evil-fied everything, even taking out cooperative play for PC/Mac, by far the best feature.

So I'm just saying that the current state is pathetically sad, that anyone would call Halo 'an XBox game'
Grrr.

[Kamikazie190]

Wait, so you mean Halo isn't 'an X-Box game' simpily because Microsoft made it evil? Thats a little biast. We already knew Microsoft sucks, theres no reason to take that out on Halo. Anyway I've seen demo's (including the E3 gameplay demo) and it looks pretty awesome. I'm not sure I like the idea that there could be hijacking vehicles in multiplayer... I love running people down with the ghost, but still, it would be fun if the first time my friends played it, instead of running me over they find themselves on the ground. The enviroment looks ALOT more interactive as well, reminding me of Medal of Honor: Allied Assault's levels or Wolfenstien where your expected to find secret areas by blowing through walls.

[Battlecruiser]

Wait, so you mean Halo isn't 'an X-Box game' simpily because Microsoft made it evil? Thats a little biast. We already knew Microsoft sucks, theres no reason to take that out on Halo. Anyway I've seen demo's (including the E3 gameplay demo) and it looks pretty awesome. I'm not sure I like the idea that there could be hijacking vehicles in multiplayer... I love running people down with the ghost, but still, it would be fun if the first time my friends played it, instead of running me over they find themselves on the ground. The enviroment looks ALOT more interactive as well, reminding me of Medal of Honor: Allied Assault's levels or Wolfenstien where your expected to find secret areas by blowing through walls.
Well, I think he said that because Microsoft owns Bungie. But your right, that is not a reason to take it on Halo and Bungie. Halo is an awesome game and Bungie is an awesome game developing company. There is no doubt about it. Halo 2 is going to be my favorite game.

[austinjrex]

it will be cool and everything but are they making it for the pc ????

[Neo]

I dont understand why everyone likes Halo so much...

It reminds me, in a way, of 007 or Quake 2, but more boring, and less health.

FPS can only be so much fun...

I played halo the other day, and found it beyond retarded. The controller for the Xbox seems so unnatural (But then I use the GCn or even a basic PS controller more often) and the "turning" and stuff in Halo seemed so slow...

But then it also has a wierd respawn engine... 5 times I was spawned right next to my opponent, who then killed me O_o I mean wtf, it waits 9 seconds and then sapwns me right in front of another player, who I dont see and they shoot me in the back of the head...

Also, unless a game is XBox specific, how about not mentioning it eh? XBox has alot of great games, granted, but the same games are on the PC, or PS2, or GCN, all of which I would use more then an Xbox.

-Neo

[Battlecruiser]

I dont understand why everyone likes Halo so much...

It reminds me, in a way, of 007 or Quake 2, but more boring, and less health.

FPS can only be so much fun...

I played halo the other day, and found it beyond retarded. The controller for the Xbox seems so unnatural (But then I use the GCn or even a basic PS controller more often) and the "turning" and stuff in Halo seemed so slow...

But then it also has a wierd respawn engine... 5 times I was spawned right next to my opponent, who then killed me O_o I mean wtf, it waits 9 seconds and then sapwns me right in front of another player, who I dont see and they shoot me in the back of the head...-Neo
Well, it is hard to explain. It is just the best game. Maybe you never had the oppurtunity to play team slayer. Well I did, and it is just so fun parking vehicles over the transporter things in blood gulch and seeing your enemy die when he comes out of the portal. Or seeing a contrail of a sniper bullet going right past your head. Or maybe someone's sniping you and you find out where the person is and you kill the person with a pistol from half the level away with 2x zoom.

You said you were not used to the controls for Halo and it felt weird. I agree, it felt the same the first time I played x-box which was also the first time I played Halo because Halo was the first game I ever bought for x-box. If yoou play the campaigns on easy and beat the first 3 levels, you should have a good understanding of what buttons to press. If you do that, the controls should feel regular on your hand.

About the turning in Halo being slow, there is an option in which you can increase it. If you were playing by default controls, your speed should be 3. The fastest you can go is at 10 so I am pretty sure there is a speed somewhere inbetween 1 and 10 that is good for you.

Also health can be changed. Just change the gametype and options and you should be able to have 400% health I believe.

Yes, the respawn engine is messed up. If you are unlucky you will keep respawning right in your enemies base, and because you have a plasma pistol, you will most probably die because they have a shotgun. Well if that is the case, don't waste time shooting them. Try moving sideways and jumping and doing everything so they miss their shots and when you are close enough, whack him in the head with the plasma pistol. He should die. But if you don't see them and they are right behind you, then I guess it is tough luck. But I think all these problems will be fixed in Halo 2 and Halo 2 will be much cooler than Halo.

[Neo]

Thats the problem.

FPS seem to me as boring as hell.

What strategy exists in such a game as halo?

Parcking vehicles over spawn points... Wow thats certainly fun!

And theres another thing you need to know...

FPS on CONSOLES is so retarded! The controller is not the only problem, when I do play First or Third-Person/First Person shooters, I find that the mouse offers me greater control.

NOt that I play FPS anyways, I just dont like them. Its whoever shoots you in the head wins, WOO!

Id rather play something like Metal Arms or some such, where its fun, and makes sense that you can surve some machine gun shots, or a grenade, etc.... :O

Oh well. Its not as if others play FPS effect me, I can still whine about it though xD

(Not to mention that Internet on the Xbox costs money, wtf, id rather use my PC which I already pay for an inet connection to play online thanks! -- and even then I would rather play something like FFXI or RO or some other more in depth and fun game...)

-Neo

[Subjukator]

Wow Neo, I guess your not going to become a diplomat or any sort of negoitater anytime soon :P

I'm not going to re-hash the same tired arguments over the positives of FPS vs your other "thinking" games but let me just put it like this: Sometimes, you just want fast-food.

[Battlecruiser]

(Not to mention that Internet on the Xbox costs money, wtf
The only thing I agreed with in your whole post.
Wow Neo, I guess your not going to become a diplomat or any sort of negoitater anytime soon :P

I'm not going to re-hash the same tired arguments over the positives of FPS vs your other "thinking" games but let me just put it like this: Sometimes, you just want fast-food.
Yeah, I think that sums it up perfectly.

[Neo]

Wow Neo, I guess your not going to become a diplomat or any sort of negoitater anytime soon :P

I'm not going to re-hash the same tired arguments over the positives of FPS vs your other "thinking" games but let me just put it like this: Sometimes, you just want fast-food.

Who said I wanted to be a dimplomat?

...

My point, overall, which seems to have not been like noticed (god forbid anyone think? Fast-Food is it?) is that all the new games seem to have taken a FPS-Like bent.

Super Metroid is one, Wtf happened there? SM was ALWAYS a side scroller/shooter, thats pretty much how it became so loved...

Then Prime came out, and lo and behold... its a FPS.

Ok now lets take something closer... Starcraft, one of, if not, the greatest RTS games ever made -- sold millions upon millions, arguably one of the best "balanced" games for Multiplay, is still played in tournemants all over the world... and stuff...

And what does Blizzard do? Lets make a FPS (ok, FPS-Like, but Third-Person kinda!) game. WOW THAT MAKES SENSE!

Though I suppose it makes about as much sense as trying to go the Everquest route....

Anyways, I dont have anything against FPS games, but I find most of them to be unrealistic, or out right boring. I mentioned a game earlier that I do play from time to time, "Metal Arms" its on the Xbox as well as the GCN, so those of you with a XBox... check it out.

I find those type of shooters fun, I mean, you fight as a robot, so surviving a leap from 50 feet in the air seems fine, or surviving a couple of rockets....

But games that try to be realistic (Like Halo IE), another player survives an assault of 5 shotgon rounds, or 5 sniper bullets, or even some Plasma shots... But you can lose all but 3 health (is that 3?) to falling off a small cliff?

Oh and my favorite from that game... One grenade or Rocket basically kills you, but 50 bullets dont xD

I dont know, I just cant see the reason that FPS are so popular. Why would I want to play a game where if I was to good at it, or got lucky a few times id be called a Hax0r and then banned from a server (ala CS) or play a game that would let an opponent survive 15 rounds from some supposed advanced weapon, but kill me for accidently falling down a ladder (ala Halo) Or even better yet, I am going to play a game, becuase its a FPS, even though it has no Multiplayer! (ala SCG last I knew)

*rambles and rants on*

Just dont see the fun in FPS... especially in Multiplayer. I mean unless yall get a kick out of shooting people O_o

-Neo

[Battlecruiser]

But games that try to be realistic (Like Halo IE), another player survives an assault of 5 shotgon rounds, or 5 sniper bullets, or even some Plasma shots... But you can lose all but 3 health (is that 3?) to falling off a small cliff?
Actually you have to suck really bad to not kill a person who has no overshield on with more than 3 shotgun shots. As long as you aim for the chest or head, you should kill the guy in 2 hits, possibly 3. You can kill people with one shotgun shot if you are close and you shoot at the upper torso. 5 sniper bullets? If all of those sniper bullets hit, that person should easily be dead.

Oh and my favorite from that game... One grenade or Rocket basically kills you, but 50 bullets dont xD
I don't see what is wrong with that. I mean, if you are shooting with an assualt rifle you need to use atleast a whole clip to kill someone. That is 60 bullets. But a rocket has slow reloading and there is a lot of splash. Grenades have a lot of splash and the delay of time is enough for the other person to kill you.

[BlackHawk]

Actually you have to suck really bad to not kill a person who has no overshield on with more than 3 shotgun shots. As long as you aim for the chest or head, you should kill the guy in 2 hits, possibly 3. You can kill people with one shotgun shot if you are close and you shoot at the upper torso. 5 sniper bullets? If all of those sniper bullets hit, that person should easily be dead.

You only need 2 sniper shots, maybe a third if you're bad at aiming. And shotgun's, as you said, only 2, maybe 3 shots.

I don't see what is wrong with that. I mean, if you are shooting with an assualt rifle you need to use atleast a whole clip to kill someone. That is 60 bullets. But a rocket has slow reloading and there is a lot of splash. Grenades have a lot of splash and the delay of time is enough for the other person to kill you.

He means the fact that technically 1 or 2 bullets would usually kill a person depending upon where said bullets hit. However, Modred, they are in MJOLNIR armour!!11!!!omfg! So technically a handfull of bullets should be the most but keep in mind MC (MasterChief, main character of the Halo series) is in armour that's a few inches thick and in most cases will not let one bullet through, so you need the whole clip.

[CODEZERO]

U nreal tournament 2004 still has me but so does cronous and my dam computer cant handle halo pc version so im stuck with let c doom 3 and halflife 2 i'd choose halflife 2 but if it was UT 2004 god by all means of course UT2004

[austinjrex]

Yeah Ut2004 is a really good game. I was just at my friends house playing halo and you know what.....what gauge is the shotgun. It doesn't say. Because with a 12gauge you could kill someone with 2 shots easy, 10gauge mabe 1 or 2, and with a military 4gauge you could kill them in one even itf you hit them in the foot. And the other thing is the shell type. If you had a steel 2 shots, lead 3 shots, and solid rifled slug 1 shot. So thats what halo needs to do is have some more weapon upgrades.

[TheGreatBrain]

"Halo 2 is a lot like Halo 1, only it's Halo 1 on fire, going 130 miles per hour through a hospital zone, being chased by helicopters and ninjas ... And, the ninjas are all on fire, too." -Jason Jones, Bungie Studios

I think this alone gaurentees us so good a game that you'll be unable to even come within a ten mile radius of it without drooling buckets and/or shitting your pants.

[Battlecruiser]

"Halo 2 is a lot like Halo 1, only it's Halo 1 on fire, going 130 miles per hour through a hospital zone, being chased by helicopters and ninjas ... And, the ninjas are all on fire, too." -Jason Jones, Bungie Studios

I think this alone gaurentees us so good a game that you'll be unable to even come within a ten mile radius of it without drooling buckets and/or shitting your pants.
Yeah, and that guy is right. If anything, it probably should be better than what Jason Jones said.

[austinjrex]

Yeah it will be good but I don't think it will as fast paced as Ut 2004.

[singo]

it will be cool and everything but are they making it for the pc ????
they will, microsoft arnt going to pass up another hundred million dollars

Halo was going to stay for X-box only, did it? NO!

btw i prefer it on pc, unless i can play the x-bow one on, say a 72-inch screen

*drools exessively "mmm.....life sized halo" *carries on drooling.

[Uuugggg]

UT2k4 is *too* fast paced. The guns are just excessive... not to say it's bad, I dearly want to play it. Halo's just better. Yea, I'd say the most satisfying part of Halo is picking up the flag carrier right after running over people who was chasing him. And driving hogs off jumps and stuff, that's great.

And Halo was *so* coming out for PC/Mac, it was just majorly delayed... and Halo 2 will *so* be out for Mac/PC, just really late, though I don't really mind, since I couldn't run it now anyway..


Bah, you're all so evil and ignorant to want it for xBox. What about my rant about how it was originally a Mac company and stuff?

And on that note... how did you get that I was attacking Halo? I hate Microsoft, darn it!

[austinjrex]

Yeah you know what would be really funny if Apple made a friggin system like Xbox. It would suck so much @$$ !!! But yeah microsoft better not make a stupid version of halo 2 that is 3rd person

[Markpyro]

I agree, X-Box has more than one good Series, though Halo rules them all. And i want Halo for X-Box only except then poor people with another console and not X-Box will not experience Halo's greatness over all games

If Apple made a console. games on it would look like the old NES series. (no offence to the NES series, but u have to admit that their graphics are OLD. And i enjoy playing Super Mario once and a while)

[Battlecruiser]

Halo was going to stay for X-box only, did it? NO!
Yeah, but Halo for PC SUCKS! I have played it for X-box and PC and I can honestly say that the PC version is not at all similar to the X-box version.

[austinjrex]

yeah I guess it was better for the Xbox

[Asypra]

I think halo was supposed to come out on Mac/Pc but microsoft payed them to put it on Xbox first. And, seriously they're a company, the more money they get the happier they are.

P.S. I'm not sure about this, but i think i heard about it somewhere

[Battlecruiser]

yeah I guess it was better for the Xbox
Well did you even play it for both systems? You don't sound like you did.

I think halo was supposed to come out on Mac/Pc but microsoft payed them to put it on Xbox first. And, seriously they're a company, the more money they get the happier they are.

P.S. I'm not sure about this, but i think i heard about it somewhere
Yeah that is pretty much true. But Microsoft didn't really pay them to put it on X-box. What they actually did was buy the Halo division of Bungie Studios and then make it for X-box.

[Uuugggg]

Uhm, xBox is better? You LIKE using a joystick instead of a mouse? You LIKE needing auto-aim to play? You LIKE not having 6 new big maps, two new guns, and 2 new vehicles in multiplayer? Geez, back up your statements at least... "not at all similiar?" My god, it's the same exact game, just more content, and better controls!
(No, I haven't even touched an xBox. But I'm sure you can't say I'm wrong about any of that.)

The only thing the PC version lacks is coop. Which really, really, sucks. Darn MS.
... and in the process of porting to Xbox on a deadline, they took out stuff. I mean, there are old screenshots of vehicles not even in the game. You betcha.

[Battlecruiser]

Uhm, xBox is better? You LIKE using a joystick instead of a mouse? You LIKE needing auto-aim to play? You LIKE not having 6 new big maps, two new guns, and 2 new vehicles in multiplayer? Geez, back up your statements at least... "not at all similiar?" My god, it's the same exact game, just more content, and better controls!
(No, I haven't even touched an xBox. But I'm sure you can't say I'm wrong about any of that.)

The only thing the PC version lacks is coop. Which really, really, sucks. Darn MS.
... and in the process of porting to Xbox on a deadline, they took out stuff. I mean, there are old screenshots of vehicles not even in the game. You betcha.
Well, yes maybe I can't say what I mean in words. But you even admitted it yourself. You never played Halo on PC and X-box. I did. Therefore what I say probably has more meaning than what you say because I have been on both sides.

[Modred]

Super Metroid is one, Wtf happened there? SM was ALWAYS a side scroller/shooter, thats pretty much how it became so loved...

Then Prime came out, and lo and behold... its a FPS.

Either you haven't played Prime much, or you just hated it. It really isn't a FPS in the general strain of FPS. It is basically just a 3d platformer, viewed from the first person (which is quite cool when you see the reflection of Samus' face in the visor). The only reason it is a "shooter" is because Samus shoots things. It isn't just some brainless "hey, let's go kill everything" type of game.

[Seal]

Halo's controls do work quite well, after getting used to them. You don't really need to have uber-fast control mouse can give, the analog pad gives accuracy.

I do have played Halo, only on Xbox though. The 'slow' analog pads don't hinder targetting at all, was able to kill everything pretty well, I don't miss the mouse-targetting ;)

[BlackHawk]

You LIKE using a joystick instead of a mouse?

It's not a joystick, it's a controller, and yea I don't mind it. You make it sound like it's a terrible thing.

You LIKE needing auto-aim to play?

Who needs auto-aim on the Xbox? It's not hard at all to play. If you have to use auto-aim you should really play more, or you're just terrible.

You LIKE not having 6 new big maps, two new guns, and 2 new vehicles in multiplayer?

Err...who cares? Honestly Halo on the Xbox is fine, I don't need more maps or anything, besides I can patiantely wait for Halo 2 which will of course top all of Halo PC's things (though Halo 2 will probably be on the PC as well). And the keyboard + mouse comba is not a better control combo, at least for me. I'm fine with the controller.

[Battlecruiser]

Halo's controls do work quite well, after getting used to them. You don't really need to have uber-fast control mouse can give, the analog pad gives accuracy.

I do have played Halo, only on Xbox though. The 'slow' analog pads don't hinder targetting at all, was able to kill everything pretty well, I don't miss the mouse-targetting ;)
Same here. I think the X-box controls are just as good, maybe better than using mouse and keyboard in a shooting game.

[Uuugggg]

Meh, opinions.

[BlackHawk]

Meh, opinions.

Of course, and everyone does realize that it's like arguing whether Cats or Dogs are better...Btw, BC just pointed out to me, what auto-aim? Because to our knowledge there is no auto-aim feature unless you have to turn it on. And if you mean how the reticle turns red when you are targetting an enemy, well most games have that in some form or another...

[TheGreatBrain]

Well, yes maybe I can't say what I mean in words. But you even admitted it yourself. You never played Halo on PC and X-box. I did. Therefore what I say probably has more meaning than what you say because I have been on both sides.I've played both, and I have no clue what you're talking about.

It's not a joystick, it's a controller, and yea I don't mind it. You make it sound like it's a terrible thing.It's not terrible, but it is more awkward than a mouse. The joystick on a controller jerks the view around. It just doesn't offer the smooth control that a mouse does. I suppose on some level it might come down to preference, but that's just a fact.

Err...who cares? Honestly Halo on the Xbox is fine, I don't need more maps or anything.The key word here is "fine". I agree, Halo on the Xbox is fine. In fact, it's pretty good. But regardless of what you need, the Halo PC version has more content, and that content is good. Therefore, that version is better. The nature of gaming on the PC is geared heavily towards offering good and universal-access multiplayer. And that's the major feature the PC version brought to Halo. It's simply higher-quality.

[Battlecruiser]

It's not terrible, but it is more awkward than a mouse. The joystick on a controller jerks the view around. It just doesn't offer the smooth control that a mouse does. I suppose on some level it might come down to preference, but that's just a fact.
It never jerks unless you don't know how to use the joystick. Or maybe that is just me.
Also the PC version is made by Gearbox.

[austinjrex]

Yeah well its mostly your opinion on the matter. If you really wanted to then you could just buy 300 $ worth of equipment and then it would be fine if you wanted it that good on the computer.

[Spdstr]

The only thing I hate about Xbox (GC as well, and PS2) is that you have to pay to play online :'(

Member,
~ Spdstr

P.S. Yah, I like Halo's controls, plus you don't need more than one system (4 computers :S) to play 4 player, of course it's not as good as full screen, but Xboxs are cheaper than computers.

[Battlecruiser]

The only thing I hate about Xbox (GC as well, and PS2) is that you have to pay to play online :'(
Yes, exactly. That is the only thing I hate about x-box. But I am going to buy it once Halo 2 comes out, so I can compete with other people and stuff. I am thinking about creating a Halo 2 clan.

Yeah well its mostly your opinion on the matter. If you really wanted to then you could just buy 300 $ worth of equipment and then it would be fine if you wanted it that good on the computer.
X-box isn't exactly the same as a computer. Everyone thinks it is, but that isn't true. If you bought a 300 dollar computer, and somehow you were able to play the X-box disc onto your computer, you would find that it plays better on the X-box then on the PC.

Just to tell you guys, I have only experienced lag once in all the time I have ever played X-box and that was because I was playing Halo for a long time (Around 6 hours straight).

Halo's controls do work quite well, after getting used to them. You don't really need to have uber-fast control mouse can give, the analog pad gives accuracy.

I do have played Halo, only on Xbox though. The 'slow' analog pads don't hinder targetting at all, was able to kill everything pretty well, I don't miss the mouse-targetting ;)
You do know that you can raise the speed the targetting reticle moves by going to the control panel, right?

[Spdstr]

It's also possible he used a MADCATZ control, they're very inaccurate, I hate em, I need more Type S controllers.

Member,
~ Spdstr

[Seal]

You do know that you can raise the speed the targetting reticle moves by going to the control panel, right?Meh, if it doesn't annoy me, i don't look around for a fix...

[austinjrex]

yeah I feel the same way who cares about the stupid controls. The game play is what matters.